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1 minute ago, Foggy Notion said:

Jury note has four requests:

1. Pecker's testimony regarding the phone conversation with Trump while in a meeting

2. Pecker's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting where the conspiracy was agreed upon

3. Cohen's testimony regarding the same trump tower meeting

4. Pecker testimony about a decision not to finalize one of the aspects of the deal with Karen McDougal

Although the jury will just be told they have to rely on their memory, I don't see how this can possibly be good news for Trump. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Foggy Notion said:

Jury note has four requests:

1. Pecker's testimony regarding the phone conversation with Trump while in a meeting

2. Pecker's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting where the conspiracy was agreed upon

3. Cohen's testimony regarding the same trump tower meeting

4. Pecker testimony about a decision not to finalize one of the aspects of the deal with Karen McDougal

He's cooked.

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Posted
29 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

I'll bet $50 with the proceeds to ActBlue on tokamak's side to the first person that wants that action. 100% Hung jury and we both donate?

I am also betting on hung jury. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Although the jury will just be told they have to rely on their memory, I don't see how this can possibly be good news for Trump. 

I think they can have the testimony read back to them, no?

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Posted
1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Especially if the actually note says: "where the conspiracy was agreed upon"

"Where the criming was at."

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Posted

I hope nobody reading this is that stupid, but anyone thinking the outcome of today’s events will be Trump in jail and/or ineligible this November is really really setting themselves up for disappointment.  Even if they come back with a guilty verdict (HUGE IF), he will appeal and tie this up until past the election.  The earliest possible solution to the Trump problem is if he loses this fall, but far more likely not until he dies, which could be a decade or more away.

Posted
2 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I think they can have the testimony read back to them, no?

I mean, maybe New York is different, but every trial I've been apart of in multiple jurisdictions has not allowed that. 

Posted

NYT

 

Jonah Bromwich
May 29, 2024, 3:27 p.m. ET2 minutes ago
2 minutes ago

Jonah Bromwich

Reporting from inside the courthouse

Typically, when jurors request to hear testimony, they return to the courtroom and the relevant portions of the transcript are read aloud by the court reporters. Sometimes court reporters have a little fun with this, doing impressions and imitating accents. I’d be surprised to see that here. The court reporter is already on the witness stand, waiting for the jury.

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Posted
1 minute ago, dcbc said:

I think they can have the testimony read back to them, no?

I don’t need it read back to me like a goddamn infant.  I’m getting on a plane and going back to my resort /jessuptrump

 

There will be no convictions or retrial.  But have a good look at him.  He’s dying. He doesn’t know It.  But his body does 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Especially if the actually note says: "where the conspiracy was agreed upon"

Yeah this was my question. Were those their actual questions or was that a translation?

Posted
2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I mean, maybe New York is different, but every trial I've been apart of in multiple jurisdictions has not allowed that. 

I'd swear I've seen the parties agree to it, but it's been a minute since I've wondered about it. 

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5 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

I hope nobody reading this is that stupid, but anyone thinking the outcome of today’s events will be Trump in jail and/or ineligible this November is really really setting themselves up for disappointment.  Even if they come back with a guilty verdict (HUGE IF), he will appeal and tie this up until past the election.  The earliest possible solution to the Trump problem is if he loses this fall, but far more likely not until he dies, which could be a decade or more away.

Yes, but a guilty verdict is the only hope we have of moving the needle AT ALL for "undecided" or "independents".  Acquittal and it's a permission structure for a fuck ton of people to vote for him.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I'd swear I've seen the parties agree to it, but it's been a minute since I've wondered about it. 

The parties could agree to it. But absent that, my experience has been judges not wanting the written record to replace the overall impression of the testimony of a witness. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Yeah this was my question. Were those their actual questions or was that a translation?

As far as I can tell, that was a translation. All of the other references I’ve seen regarding the four questions from the jury have just referred to Pecker’s testimony regarding the Trump Tower meeting. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I hate when the jury asks questions, because you spend the whole time wondering "what does it mean?  Is it good for us?  Bad for us?"  And I have yet to figure it out.

Also, the highest heart rates of my entire life have immediately followed the two most stressful words in the English language: "jury's back."  Seriously.  That moment is brutal to my lawyer brain and heart.  Then, waiting for them as the go through the verdict form, and writing down their answers on your notepad, because you have to do SOMETHING, you can't just stare at them as it's read.

Hopefully when they read his guilty verdict, they double mispronounce his first name "'Orenthal' J. Trump."

Posted
16 minutes ago, Foggy Notion said:

Jury note has four requests:

1. Pecker's testimony regarding the phone conversation with Trump while in a meeting

2. Pecker's testimony regarding the trump tower meeting where the conspiracy was agreed upon

3. Cohen's testimony regarding the same trump tower meeting

4. Pecker testimony about a decision not to finalize one of the aspects of the deal with Karen McDougal

5. Stormy's testimony regarding Trump's pecker

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Posted
1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

The parties could agree to it. But absent that, my experience has been judges not wanting the written record to replace the overall impression of the testimony of a witness. 

Right.  They're not sending it back there.  We respect the jury.  But we don't trust them with the record.

1 minute ago, Foggy Notion said:

As far as I can tell, that was a translation. All of the other references I’ve seen regarding the four questions from the jury have just referred to Pecker’s testimony regarding the Trump Tower meeting. 

Still telling about where their focus is, and I'll iterate, "He's cooked."

Posted
14 minutes ago, dcbc said:

He's cooked.

that level of specificity that hones in on what this case is exactly about may mean that one of the two lawyers on the panel is the chairperson - and is assembling information relevant to convince some wafflers. 

My response to the jury wanting more Pecker information is

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“Conspiracy” is just a word that doesn’t mean anything.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

that level of specificity that hones in on what this case is exactly about may mean that one of the two lawyers on the panel is the chairperson - and is assembling information relevant to convince some wafflers. 

My response to the jury wanting more Pecker information is

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“Conspiracy” is just a word that doesn’t mean anything.

I don't recall Pecker's testimony being as highly assailed as was Cohen's.  So I agree, the fact that that's where their focus lies is bad news for Individual Uno.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Why would you get worked up?  You get paid either way.

Because some lawyers do, in fact, give a damn about their client's interests and want to do their best by them.

Posted
2 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

Letterman is like the 7 year-old kid who lands a joke and then proceeds to hammer it 4 more times expecting the same response.

He must be a regular on the recruiting threads. 
 

Apologies for $9.95ing CR

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Not as a plaintiff attorney. 

Cash money up front or pick better clients.

 

4 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Because some lawyers do, in fact, give a damn about their client's interests and want to do their best by them.

 

4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

What a dumb fucking question 

Jeesh you fuckers take yourselves way too seriously.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Cash money up front or pick better clients.

 

 

Jeesh you fuckers take yourselves way too seriously.

Pot, meet kettle.

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Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Why would you get worked up?  You get paid either way.

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Also, I sometimes breathe through my eyelids in court.  And think about banging younger Susan Sarandon.

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Posted
42 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I hate when the jury asks questions, because you spend the whole time wondering "what does it mean?  Is it good for us?  Bad for us?"  And I have yet to figure it out.

Also, the highest heart rates of my entire life have immediately followed the two most stressful words in the English language: "jury's back."  Seriously.  That moment is brutal to my lawyer brain and heart.  Then, waiting for them as the go through the verdict form, and writing down their answers on your notepad, because you have to do SOMETHING, you can't just stare at them as it's read.

Young Gatorubet was trying my first federal court Jones Act case involving a failure to evacuate a jackup rig timely in the face of an advancing hurricane, and I was momentarily giddy when the jury sent out a note asking for Mr. Ubet’s damages chart with my recommended verdict damage numbers….

They came back 20 minutes later and asked if they gave my client money for medical care, how could they make sure he would actually use it for that?

We had a bit of a convicted felon problem with my plaintiff and a dash of lying about surveillance and such.

Tldr, Gator did not get his requested damages.  Jury will ask questions to get your hopes up only to crush them.

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Posted

So people that are insisting that there will be some sort of hung jury is pretty amusing to me.  What you'd have to believe is that an elected prosecutor took a case to the grand jury against a President without being 100% sure they'd get a conviction.  It may not be every charge, but my goodness, no political figure would dare do this without being 100% convinced.  

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Posted
58 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I hate when the jury asks questions, because you spend the whole time wondering "what does it mean?  Is it good for us?  Bad for us?"  And I have yet to figure it out.

Also, the highest heart rates of my entire life have immediately followed the two most stressful words in the English language: "jury's back."  Seriously.  That moment is brutal to my lawyer brain and heart.  Then, waiting for them as the go through the verdict form, and writing down their answers on your notepad, because you have to do SOMETHING, you can't just stare at them as it's read.

When the jury asks, "what's longer, 99 years or life in prison" there's little doubt as to how it's going.

Posted

oh fuckity-fuck.  The jury also asked that the jury instructions be read again.

That would be good for the defense.

I think I jinxed this thing with my jury note story post

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