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Clemson (-12.5) at Duke, 7:00 on ESPN


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1 minute ago, UTEX_ME said:

still 15 yard penalty for Duke though so they were "penalized" correct?

yep, its a penalty, player kicked out and suspended. 

 

but the intent of the rule is to REALLY make it an automatic first down plus 15 yards to DEEPLY discourage the defense doing a head shot.

That loophole allows the defense to blow up the runner with the ball as long as hes short of the line to gain. 

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2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Sorry, that’s a horribly bad rule.

Klubnick is a dumb ass.

Not a bad rule. It is all about being fourth down. Any other down and the penalty would have given Clem a 1st down. When you are declared down short of the line to gain on 4th down,  the ball is dead immediately. Any foul after that point is dead ball. 

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2 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

yep, its a penalty, player kicked out and suspended. 

 

but the intent of the rule is to REALLY make it an automatic first down plus 15 yards to DEEPLY discourage the defense doing a head shot.

That loophole allows the defense to blow up the runner with the ball as long as hes short of the line to gain. 

Assuming you’re willing to have said player ejected and miss half the next game. 

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3 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

What if the hit comes an instant after the ball hits the turf?  Who gets the ball? 

I think whistle blowing would need to match up and determine that.  But as noted a late qb hit is technically roughing.  They need to change this rule.  D can just obliterate people on 4th after the play if the other team is short.  Stupid.  

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7 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Nope.  If QB throws ball on 4th down and ball in air, a late hit on QB results in first down there.  

That's not a late hit. That's roughing the passer. Announcers saying "he hit him late" doesn't mean it's a late hit foul.

5 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

That's roughing the passer which isn't always a dead ball foul

I was late

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