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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

You really think Trump can admit he made a mistake?

He can blame Democrats for changing the ticket and "breaking the rules" or whatever bullshit that comes out of his mouth. 

 

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5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

If you're just looking at the electoral map, this seems like a ding against him.  I think it's doubtful Beshear gets Harris Kentucky, which leads to the question of whether his regional appeal is enough to win any of the rust belt states.  

Except VP picks are usually to shore up a group the top of the ticket is not strong with - Pence was for evangelicals, Harris was for minority and female voters, Biden was for white voters, Edwards was for the country club Southern type of voters. 

Beshear wouldn’t be picked to make KY competitive - it would Be his ability to speak to both suburban white voters and WWC voters 

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1 minute ago, South Austin said:

If you're just looking at the electoral map, this seems like a ding against him.  I think it's doubtful Beshear gets Harris Kentucky, which leads to the question of whether his regional appeal is enough to win any of the rust belt states.  

By comparison on this point, Cooper arguably gives Harris at least the possibility of picking up a purplish North Carolina (though I'm not sure I give that better than a 50% chance).

The main knock against Shapiro, as highlighted in the New Republic article, is his position on the Israel/Palestine war (although the article seems to imply that any Jewish VP pick is risky).  I understand the need for Harris to make a safe pick, but is this really the single issue that can decide the presidential election?  Are those voters supporting Palestine so entrenched that they think a Trump/Vance administration is going to do them any more favors than Harris/Shapiro?  

I'm not saying this as someone who thinks that Shapiro is the No. 1 pick.  But I question the New Republic's writer who believes a Shapiro VP pick could be fatal to Harris's chances of winning.

Short version:  What the fuck do I know?

To me this just feels like a far left, I'm going to piss in the pool if I don't get exactly my way on everything situation. There's a lot of hemming and hawing going on in that article, and speculating that that many circles won't like Shapiro's stance on Palestine is certainly valid. But it's the same as certain posters here who were saying the bloc in michigan was going to doom ______________________ becuase _______________________ for weeks. Or the people here and in congress who were insisting dropping Biden was literally suicide, and that includes the likes of AOC. 

Sure, you would *think* that these people would understand their options versus a Trump regime in charge, for palestine, but I had a very spirited interaction with some progressives in a group chat this week, where I basically pointed out they were fucking children who look out for any excuse to not participate unless it's their actual dream candidate and they love nothing better than to take their ball and go home. Bernie Bros got fucked over in 2016, for sure, but they also stayed home and helped Trump get elected. So I have zero belief that many voters can do an analysis of which platform progresses their overall worldview further. 

In short, I don't think anyone can say anything with certainty, but if you lock up PA, you have to seriously, seriously consider Shaprio. I'm not saying he's got to be the guy, but you can't dismiss him becuase maybe he's not some folks first or second choice. PA is the ballgame. 

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Just now, Js1 said:

Except VP picks are usually to shore up a group the top of the ticket is not strong with - Pence was for evangelicals, Harris was for minority and female voters, Biden was for white voters, Edwards was for the country club Southern type of voters. 

Beshear wouldn’t be picked to make KY competitive - it would Be his ability to speak to both suburban white voters and WWC voters 

Good point. 

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Just now, South Austin said:

Good point. 

Beshear and Walz are your best to lock up the Midwest. Cooper and Kelly are best for the sunbelt states (AZ, GA, NC), where Harris probably has the most upside.

Shapiro is risky too because he’s only been a governor for 2 years. Pritzker is a fat billionaire.

The actual best choice for Harris is Sherrod Brown but you can’t give up that red state senate seat 

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2 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

If they think Vance is a mistake, it’s far far more likely he just fades into the background.  No one gives a shit about VP.  

I'd throw out any norms with Presidential elections this cycle. Vance is a weak link and everyone knows it. Even if they try to hide him Dems will continue to pounce. Trump won't be able to handle the embarrassment. 

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Vance is the perfect answer for anytime Trump shits on Kamala for how she talked about Biden in the 2020 primary. Yeah, let's dive into what your VP thought about you and still you picked him. 

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5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

In short, I don't think anyone can say anything with certainty, but if you lock up PA, you have to seriously, seriously consider Shaprio. I'm not saying he's got to be the guy, but you can't dismiss him becuase maybe he's not some folks first or second choice. PA is the ballgame. 

Don’t disagree but I think Beshear has a lot of Scranton Joe in him that would appeal to those voters you need in Wi, MI, PA. He can go talk to union workers with ease and fire up the young progressives. While she handles the turnout in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee 

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18 minutes ago, horngrad03 said:

They are tying their own noose. Please, please, please keep it up for the next 3 months. 

Who's the dude who is sitting there who just lets this guy say colored live on air in front of him. That guy is a fucking pussy. 

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48 minutes ago, Js1 said:

They're also going to go all in on "too liberal" as if her opponent is trying to turn America into Gilead.  How come it's never that Trump is "too conservative???" 

The Dems need to counter that by flooding the media about what comes w/ the 2025 project.  

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Don’t disagree but I think Beshear has a lot of Scranton Joe in him that would appeal to those voters you need in Wi, MI, PA. He can go talk to union workers with ease and fire up the young progressives. While she handles the turnout in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee 

I mean I don't hate Beshear. But in this world of short attention span theater, is anyone really paying attention to the VP unless they're consistently weird AF and fucking a couch, like Vance? How many young people are going to see a VP speak on the left to get fired up?  I'm just skeptical of booting a guy becuase the far, far left who are prone to wine about any single thing says "Not that guy!"

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22 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Someone on tv is going to call her “uppity” by the end of the week. 

To be fair, I think he said "college" sorority. Not "colored."

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1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, I have to do some real, solid, actual work today.  More than 15 minutes worth, I'm afraid. 

You're young and you got your health. What you want with a job?

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7 minutes ago, mdmost said:

No he said colored. 

Eh, it could go either way.  My take away was actually 1) I don't recall anyone thinking she was a bad VP choice for Biden, as he asserted and 2) I'm glad she's not going to the bullshit "speech" by Bibi in OUR OWN FUCKING CONGRESS, where he shouldn't fucking be in the first place.  I have no idea why they are letting him do that.  It's an unforced error and giving a right-wing psychopath yet another unfettered soapbox for no reason.

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10 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, I have to do some real, solid, actual work today.  More than 15 minutes worth, I'm afraid.  So, in the spirit of messageboard brother/sisterhood, please keep the thread under at least 20 new pages by 3 or so.  Thanks all!

 

 

 

 

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No, no. He said COLLEGE not COLORED......

So I have to ask from a total state of ignorance. I don't watch Fox. Is the dude on the left not having 2nd thoughts any time DEI is brought up in his presence? Does he not think, "I wonder if they think I'm a DEI hire"? Or do you have to be so in the tank or delusional to think they don't ever have those same conversations about you?

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I'd throw out any norms with Presidential elections this cycle. Vance is a weak link and everyone knows it. Even if they try to hide him Dems will continue to pounce. Trump won't be able to handle the embarrassment. 
You mean to tell me, the guy that ran off every somewhat qualified person in his cabinet wasn't able to choose a decent VP candidate?

Where's that list of all the people Trump ran off? It's going to look like that Cleveland Browns QB jersey.
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1 minute ago, mdmost said:

No, no. He said COLLEGE not COLORED......

So I have to ask from a total state of ignorance. I don't watch Fox. Is the dude on the left not having 2nd thoughts any time DEI is brought up in his presence? Does he not think, "I wonder if they think I'm a DEI hire"? Or do you have to be so in the tank or delusional to think they don't ever have those same conversations about you?

It doesn’t apply to THEM. You should know this by now 

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11 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

More. Overt. Racism. MOAR

I hope the Buttered Biscuit sitting with them is real uncomfortable every time they start yammering on about DEI, woke, urban, etc. Is he going to snap when one of them drops the hard R n-bomb they so badly want to drop?

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6 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

If Mark Kelly gets you Arizona, then he has to be the pick. I know he's well liked in that state and a lock for reelection in a few years, but the electoral math gets much easier if Arizona is in the blue column.  I also love his background as a Navy Pilot who was flying missions in Desert Storm, and as a NASA pilot who flew several shuttle missions and spent a good amount of time aboard the ISS. The contrast of someone who actually fought for their country and appreciates science with the fat fuck orange mongoloid who constantly shits all over both of those subjects will let the Dems have a field day with this campaign. 

Oh and when Mark's wife was shot at a campaign event, nearly died and had severe brain injuries, he retired from NASA to go help her recover and do physical therapy instead of fucking porn stars and leaving her. The stark contrast and family values he can bring to the ticket would be a huge asset, and potentially set him up to be next in line after Harris. 

Agree all around.  Harris herself brings GA and if she wins AZ, she wins NV.  Get those and you don't have to win the three Midwestern states, although if you're winning those three, you're likely running the table.

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Just now, Js1 said:

Isn’t this the fun part? The bench is so damn deep and we aren’t even hearing some legit names in contention like Warnock, Ossoff, Pete, Chris Murphy, Booker, Whitmer, Moore. The bench is DEEP for the future 

Absolutely, they have a ton of options that makes this VP pick a luxury at this point, and lets them focus on what will help win the election, rather than who their BMDs want to choose. It's also great to let this pick come slowly so that all these candidates get some more national exposure to the electorate and allow them to position themselves and the party for more gains in the future. You know some of these term limited governors are going to wind up in Cabinet positions or maybe running for a Senate seat in the future, and they could be doing great things down the line. 

Contrast that with the R's and their seemingly defacto pick for a few weeks was sunk by her own biography because she thought a story about putting down a dog was relevant to who she is. And their current VP pick is a guy who may or may not have American Pie'd a latex glove stuck in a couch cushion. Just incredible to behold.  

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10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Isn’t this the fun part? The bench is so damn deep and we aren’t even hearing some legit names in contention like Warnock, Ossoff, Pete, Chris Murphy, Booker, Whitmer, Moore. The bench is DEEP for the future 

Come a long way since 2016

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Posted
Just now, Zonahorn said:

Come a long way since 2016

Difference between the two parties - Dems lost in 2016 and ran a lot of very impressive candidates in 18/20/22. GOP lost in 2020 and just run retreads and losers 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Difference between the two parties - Dems lost in 2016 and ran a lot of very impressive candidates in 18/20/22. GOP lost in 2020 and just run retreads and losers 

Herschel Walker is a winner, sir. 

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15 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Oh and when Mark's wife was shot at a campaign event, nearly died and had severe brain injuries, he retired from NASA to go help her recover and do physical therapy instead of fucking porn stars and leaving her. The stark contrast and family values he can bring to the ticket would be a huge asset, and potentially set him up to be next in line after Harris. 

When was the last time any Dem even mentioned the dotard's infidelity?  I know we just had a whole court case about it, but I don't recall any politicians actually taking this easy layup against the "party of family values".

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Just now, Biff Tannen said:

When was the last time any Dem even mentioned the dotard's infidelity?  I know we just had a whole court case about it, but I don't recall any politicians actually taking this easy layup against the "party of family values".

Man if you’re gonna talk about it, you better have a squeaky clean background and not pull a Cal Cunningham 

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I don’t know exactly what that guy said or meant to say but there is little reason to say college sorority vs sorority. No one calls those orgs college sororities  

still I would always error on the side of caution to not call someone a racist until they obviously prove otherwise. 

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Just now, Biff Tannen said:

When was the last time any Dem even mentioned the dotard's infidelity?  I know we just had a whole court case about it, but I don't recall any politicians actually taking this easy layup against the "party of family values".

It's been a while, but I think your point goes to show why it was so important to replace Biden. He wasn't really campaigning, he wasn't doing the dirty work of politics and mudslinging, he couldn't make a cogent argument during the debate and throw it back in Trump's face. Harris will do that, her VP pick will as well.  

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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don’t know exactly what that guy said or meant to say but there is little reason to say college sorority vs sorority. No one calls those orgs college sororities  

still I would always error on the side of caution to not call someone a racist until they obviously prove otherwise. 

It's also rare for anyone to say "colored." I despise the guy, but we don't need to stretch to find examples of what is wrong with him and the hateful party he shills for.

The Black man on the end looks like a hostage.

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The irony of an immigrant autistic homosexual New Zealander running shit for the GQP is rich.

Ah, but the Australian-born, 4-time divorced (now currently married to a Russian molecular biologist) MAGA empowering media mogul warned against Vance.

Quite the conundrum for America First Trump.

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Man if you’re gonna talk about it, you better have a squeaky clean background and not pull a Cal Cunningham 
This. It just opens the door to a bunch of whataboutism that may not even apply to the person that brings it up. The payoff just isn't enough.

Unless... you have some idiot that says Trump is Godly. But you'll only see those idiots at the Thanksgiving table, and we all know it doesn't matter what we say to our Step-Uncle.


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