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19 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You should go door to door and tell them that. And you do, consider, who signed the repeal of Glass Steagal? Who implemented NAFTA? Who implemented TARP? Who made the decision not to break anybody up or prosecute the leadership of firms that created the financial crisis? Who signed the bill that made the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts permanent? Who declined to sever the connection between healthcare and employment insurance? Hey, who was married to the guy who signed the repeal of Glass Steagal? Oh, right. The 2016 Democratic Nominee. Who authored and co-sponsored the 2005 bankruptcy bill that stripped protections from millions and unleashed a wash of private student loans? The 2020 Democratic Nominee.
Here's a famous chart - did the trendline change when Democrats were in power?
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I'm all in on defeating Trump and Trumpism, but the idea that Democrats have been champions of the American middle class over the last 30 years is utter horseshit.  

 

 

"Champions?"  Far from it.  And dude, you've heard my rants on the "Bankruptcy Reform Act" from Biden for nearly 20 years.  Even today, I'd tell him to his face that it was utter fuckery -- I vacation every year with one of his former Senate advisors, and I told HIM as much, and he nodded sheepishly, knowing it was fuckery.

But in the contest between who has been better for the white bottom third (because that's who we're talking about here, let's not pussyfoot about it) over the past 30 years, it's not even fucking close.

I sure as shit want Dems to do better....but let's also be fucking honest, once Newt declared war on compromise - a war that fucking worked - there wasn't much positive going to happen for the American people.  Maybe you've forgotten the fact that this is one of the many reasons I live on the ledge: THE GQP HAS WON.  If there's something out there that's remotely beneficial to the American people, they oppose it and put a stop to it.  With a nearly 100% success rate.  The main things our government manages to accomplish these days are things that FUCK the people, not things that help.  Every single thing that has been of benefit to those folks over the past 30 years has been either something snuck past the goalie, or just a rear-guard action by the Dems to keep bad things from happening.

Your logical fallacy is bullshit.  The Dems aren't the champions of the American middle class.  But they are damned well the only thing standing between the middle class and the prowling mob of leopards just outside, determined to eat the middle class's face.

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11 minutes ago, G650 said:

I can promise you everything you just said is bullshit. I am happy to take you for a tour of my neighborhood and show you the absolute obscene privilege that s been all in on MAGA.

Mine too, except all in on Harris. Strange, since we both presumably live in neighborhoods full of millionaires. 

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My mom told me a few days ago on the phone that she and my dad feel guilty because they think they're the reason my brother and sister are Trump supporters. She said they always just defaulted republican so their kids (minus me) picked it up from them, that now they would never even think about voting democrat. I told them that's horseshit because I was raised by them as well and I didn't turn out like that. I very honestly think my sister going to Texas A&M had more to do with her dipshittery than my parents upbringing. Truthfully, growing up, I felt my parents were largely apolitical, they didn't talk about presidents or senators or any of that stuff growing up. This new trend of my 11 year old nephew and 8 year old niece both having a different favorite fox news anchor is not at all how I was raised.

My brother has pretty severe learning disabilities, and Trump's machine is largely aimed at bombarding people like him, so I don't blame him for that. But my sister is supposed to be educated, she should know the difference. Except her education came from Texas A&M, which is where she started down her path that lead to her being an evangelical christian trump supporter. The shit she supports Trump for, the seeds were planted at A&M.

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Just now, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

This new trend of my 11 year old nephew and 8 year old niece both having a different favorite fox news anchor is not at all how I was raised.

Make sure to lecture your 11 year old nephew on the importance of picking the Fox News anchor with the biggest tits.  Because it sure can't be on the basis of anything intelligent Fox News anchors have to say, so go with the proper criterion.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Your logical fallacy is bullshit.  The Dems aren't the champions of the American middle class.  But they are damned well the only thing standing between the middle class and the prowling mob of leopards just outside, determined to eat the middle class's face.

If their choice is between Leopards eating their face and the rats chewing off fingers and toes, you are right that the rats are better. That said, I can't blame them for hating the rats. 

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Make sure to lecture your 11 year old nephew on the importance of picking the Fox News anchor with the biggest tits.  Because it sure can't be on the basis of anything intelligent Fox News anchors have to say, so go with the proper criterion.

My nephew likes Laura Ingrahm so I think those are the biggest bad boys on Fox News? IDK I don't keep up with their anchors.

To give a frame of reference to my sister's dipshit ideals: she goes around telling people her kids are Italian. There aint a damn drop of fucking italian in us or her husband, her husband is mexican as fuck and she's brown-skinned hispanic. But both *hate* latinos.

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4 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

C'mon, man. Bigger picture, his Cheney comments are an absolute nothingburger. The fact that it's taking up oxygen for Democrats 3 days before the election really sucks. 

I think it’s fantastic that Trump is dwelling on her and MAGA is wasting oxygen and tweets on it.

For MAGA it’s a distraction and will not change their votes or encourage or discourage them from voting.

For everybody else, it’s one more data point that he’s unhinged, and it’s sucking up time that would be used by MAGA in attacking Harris/spreading misinformation about her.

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Mine too, except all in on Harris. Strange, since we both presumably live in neighborhoods full of millionaires. 

Exactly. Core Trump support isn't remotely tied to who didn't win the inflation lottery of the past couple years, in fact it can't be tied to it at all because of the very fact it goes back 8+ years.

 

To this day it is insane how people writ large still don't get who the core Trump supporters really are. It's upper middle suburban/exurban whites of certain persuasions. It's not Cleetus and Meemaw.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

anyone following the stephen miller melt down ?

nope but hopefully interesting

17 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Well I'm reasonably good on econ and I disagree, but that doesn't matter. What's important is that they disagree. And if you think that's because they're too stupid evaluate their own lived experience, you should move to Washington DC and join a Democrat-aligned messaging firm, because you will fit right in. 

You've obviously given this a lot of thought and I'm typing as I try to head out the door but I'd love to know how a group of relatively wealthy 50 to 80 year olds haven't benefitted from any of the prosperity over 30 years. What an incredible statement. They don't benefit from rising home equity or the stock market, which sinks under republicans? You're talking about people who'll complain about their property tax but then greedily hoard precious residential real estate, and witlessly block new laws that would help drive prices down. They're the first to look for an undocumented immigrant to clean their house and/or wipe their ass for them.

NAFTA, by the way, passed due to a majority of GOP votes. The repeal of Glass Steagall, well, the first named sponsor of the bill was Phil Gramm so that should give you a clue. However in the case of both NAFTA AND Glass Steagall the ONLY votes against were LIBERALS. The moderates worked with the right wingers to pass those bills.

tbh I'm not sure why you mention Glass-Steagall repeal but Bush was not prevented from taking action before the 2007 crash, 8 years later. So there's no proof the repeal of GS had anything to do with it. Meanwhile the GQP has fought pro-consumer regulation for 30 years, including regulation over the very same banks. And in fact the GQP Supreme Court has struck a death knell for an incredible amount of consumer protection laws. So please spare me the sanctimony. 

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23 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Here's the problem; Cheney can't attack Trump for being a draft-dodger, because Daddy was a draft-dodger among draft-dodgers.   I'm sure that somebody on team dotard has figured out that she can't hit him in is soft spot there. 

Any other person can tho.

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10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

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Because that Atlanta gal?  WHEELHOUSE.

And Chili's chips and salsa?  WHEELHOUSE.

During my few trips through Atlanta, I’ve tried to book her but she’s always out of town on traveling multi day dates.  Im the meantime, I just follow her on Twitter and she’s sarcastic and hilarious.

I could teach a PhD level class on branding and pricing just using her as a case study.  We DM’ed about it once and she never thought of it that way.  Cool gal.

I get the impression she rakes it in.

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5 minutes ago, immamac said:

but everything he hears about is how Trump is a bad man and he asks about it and we just explain to him in plain English not in some weird partisan way that the way Trump behaves and the things he does are not good for anyone to do. It's not about being political, it's about teaching your kids that being a scoundrel piece of shit isn't ok.

Explaining simple, true things to kids is pretty fucking important and formative.  Case in point: when the Watergate hearings were happening, every network covered them.  Including PBS.  Which meant that toddler Brisket didn't get to watch his daily Sesame Street.  When I asked my mom what was going on, she explained to me "a very important man did something bad.  And it's not just that he did something bad, but he lied about it."  That was it.  I wasn't even 4 years old, and I fucking REMEMBER it, it was important.  It was TRUE, and it's a principle that guides me to this day.

Tell your kids in the plainest terms: the problem with Trump is that he lies all the time.  The problem with Trump is that he picks on people weaker than him.  The problem with Trump is that he gets people to like him by preaching hatred and calling other people names, not by doing good things.

5 minutes ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

To give a frame of reference to my sister's dipshit ideals: she goes around telling people her kids are Italian. There aint a damn drop of fucking italian in us or her husband, her husband is mexican as fuck and she's brown-skinned hispanic. But both *hate* latinos.

Fucking hispanics are the worst.

Signed,

A pretty fucking exasperated hispanic

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33 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

That's not written by Donald. He has know idea what the word decimated means.

Nobody knows. They use it to mean utter destruction. It's only every tenth person being killed. Tchyaah.

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39 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I'm all in on defeating Trump and Trumpism, but the idea that Democrats have been champions of the American middle class over the last 30 years is utter horseshit.  

 

 

No they haven't. Like many other leftish parties around the western world they adopted right wing economics.

But it seems like things are going our way now. I think the Democrats understand the danger.

All Trump did was continue those policies that got us to where we are.

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Just now, RDCanecutter said:

Nobody knows. They use it to mean utter destruction. It's only every tenth person being killed. Tchyaah.

I prefer the term "tresimated." 

It's spanglish.

It's a term best used to describe when you order this:

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46 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

God....I hope that someday he does.  AND, I hope they treat him EXACTLY how he says hispanics in the US treat people like him.

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Kid with the bat looks like Miller's outside baby, all grown up and huntin down Apa.

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29 minutes ago, G650 said:

I can promise you everything you just said is bullshit. I am happy to take you for a tour of my neighborhood and show you the absolute obscene privilege that s been all in on MAGA.

Interesting humblebrag

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6 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I'd love to know how a group of relatively wealthy 50 to 80 year olds haven't benefitted from any of the prosperity over 30 years.

Much like my response on "the American Gentry" above, that's not who I'm talking about. 

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Cohn basically saying “I wouldn’t trust my own results bc they don’t match my vibes” is pure CYA. And pretty much why, unless polls are 150% correct this year, going to lead to them being ignored forever 

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11 minutes ago, immamac said:

my 5 year old is aware of who Trump and Harris are, but everything he hears about is how Trump is a bad man and he asks about it and we just explain to him in plain English not in some weird partisan way that the way Trump behaves and the things he does are not good for anyone to do. It's not about being political, it's about teaching your kids that being a scoundrel piece of shit isn't ok. I don't have all the positive things and whatever to say about Kamala, but it's easy not to have to explain why she is in court or why she is saying Mexicans are bad. It's crazy to think that my son who strongly identifies as Mexican can pick up on the background noise of ABC World News with Dave Miur and be like why doesn't he like Mexicans?

That's what is wrong with Trump. 

My sister is an evangelical christian. Without rustling feathers, lying to her kids is an integral part of her raising them. I don't mean that just as a sleight on religion, she very openly is honest about distorting the truth to "protect" her kids from things she doesn't think they should know about. Like school shootings? Her kids flat out don't know about those, they think the drills are all hypothetical. My mom was taking care of my nephew once and mentioned something about a recent shooting and was shocked to learn about how they're cut off from that kind of news. She's the "all kinds of music except country music contains devil subliminal messages" kind of person that has her kids terrified of accidentally hearing rap music. She lies to them about their race. Their father is adopted and of course that's a HUGE no no secret, they can NEVER learn that. She's a vaccine denier, she tells her kids all sorts of ignorant horror stories about vaccines. The amount of shit my sister lies to her kids about honestly astounds me, it's such a shitty and disrespectful way to treat her own kids. One day her kids are going to learn the truth about all this stuff and they'll hopefully never trust her opinions on shit again.

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33 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There's a former special operator I know who lives here in town and he practically starts salivating thinking about what he would do if the people who want violence start acting on it. 

You live near my dad? He asked me what I wanted to borrow when I go up this weekend. I told him I am good thanks. Can only carry so much ammo and you can only shoot 1 at a time.

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4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Cohn basically saying “I wouldn’t trust my own results bc they don’t match my vibes” is pure CYA. And pretty much why, unless polls are 150% correct this year, going to lead to them being ignored forever 

My interpretation: "We can't afford to be wrong about Trump for a third time but can afford to be wrong about Harris."

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Much like my response on "the American Gentry" above, that's not who I'm talking about. 

But that is who the core Trump supporter is.

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1 minute ago, The Dog said:

My interpretation: "We can't afford to be wrong about Trump for a third time but can afford to be wrong about Harris."

That's also exactly how the voters should look at it.

If we elect Trump, the damage done will be incalculable, and cannot be recovered from in a generation, if at all.

If we elect Harris and she turns out to be a shitty president, we can replace her in 4 years with somebody better, and the damage will be manageable.

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35 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There's a former special operator I know who lives here in town and he practically starts salivating thinking about what he would do if the people who want violence start acting on it. 

Are his plans:

1. acquire hair gel

2. take performance enhancing drugs

3. ???

4. PROFIT

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6 minutes ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

My sister is an evangelical christian. Without rustling feathers, lying to her kids is an integral part of her raising them. I don't mean that just as a sleight on religion, she very openly is honest about distorting the truth to "protect" her kids from things she doesn't think they should know about. Like school shootings? Her kids flat out don't know about those, they think the drills are all hypothetical. My mom was taking care of my nephew once and mentioned something about a recent shooting and was shocked to learn about how they're cut off from that kind of news. She's the "all kinds of music except country music contains devil subliminal messages" kind of person that has her kids terrified of accidentally hearing rap music. She lies to them about their race. Their father is adopted and of course that's a HUGE no no secret, they can NEVER learn that. She's a vaccine denier, she tells her kids all sorts of ignorant horror stories about vaccines. The amount of shit my sister lies to her kids about honestly astounds me, it's such a shitty and disrespectful way to treat her own kids. One day her kids are going to learn the truth about all this stuff and they'll hopefully never trust her opinions on shit again.

Are you sure she is not the one who narked on you in college?

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9 minutes ago, The Dog said:

My interpretation: "We can't afford to be wrong about Trump for a third time but can afford to be wrong about Harris."

"Did we stress everyone out? Hell yes. Were we wrong? Extremely. Do we care? No way, you'll be back in 2025 to follow us around like lost puppies" 

Also got a guffaw out of me, Cohn saying he wouldn't believe his own poll saying Harris +7 in PA - but he had no issue publishing a Harris +3/4 in PA in August and September and October.

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9 minutes ago, G650 said:

But that is who the core Trump supporter is.

Disagree

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That's also exactly how the voters should look at it.

If we elect Trump, the damage done will be incalculable, and cannot be recovered from in a generation, if at all.

If we elect Harris and she turns out to be a shitty president, we can replace her in 4 years with somebody better, and the damage will be manageable.

Honestly this is the best argument flippable Haley/Bush/normie Republicans who plan to hold their nose for Donald Trump: presidents come and go until they decide they don’t want to leave office. We can be reasonably certain if President Harris is voted out she’ll leave. Trump has already proven he won’t. 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Honestly this is the best argument flippable Haley/Bush/normie Republicans who plan to hold their nose for Donald Trump: presidents come and go until they decide they don’t want to leave office. We can be reasonably certain if President Harris is voted out she’ll leave. Trump has already proven he won’t. 

I honestly can't believe this message isn't banged about more. It's not a policy issue at stake, this is a referendum on democracy itself. One candidate wants to continue our political system of peaceful transfer of power going forward. The other is vowing to dismantle it and replace it with an authoritarian implementation. He says it'll be the last time we ever have to vote. He already started riots over this. He said he should be able to serve more than two terms.

This isn't about the economy, or immigration, or any of that shit. More fundamentally, this is an election on whether the USA as we know it continues to exist or gets replaced with a defacto dictatorship. This is fucking scary.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

I think what you meant to say is:

"And in tonight's production of Saving Private Ryan, the role of Corporal Upham will be played by Donald Trump."

You only thought you couldn’t hate upham any more than you already did…

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Disagree

 

Totally fine to disagree. Empirical evidence has shown who they are to where I'm pretty confident in my opinion though.

 

At the end of the day, from what you have posted over the year I surmise our policy preferences are pretty closely aligned, at least economically. The only real difference I see is you have an eye to the middle class outcomes and I wouldn't care if the US middle class drove off a cliff.

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2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

we got the big mo it seems. 

I'm already on your side, you don't have to call me names.

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So, I know the end of America is important and all, but this thread has brought up Chili's talk and I must be the only one who does the following.  At Chili's and nowhere else do I order the ranch to dip my chips in along with the salsa and it's fucking delicious.   Also, earlier in this thread there was talk about Project 2025 taking away Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc....  Yeah, I guess those are important since they give people money to live on and health care but the thing that really hurts most people that Project 2025 looks to take away is porn.  

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Disagree

Honestly this is the best argument flippable Haley/Bush/normie Republicans who plan to hold their nose for Donald Trump: presidents come and go until they decide they don’t want to leave office. We can be reasonably certain if President Harris is voted out she’ll leave. Trump has already proven he won’t. 

And this. 

Literally, just fucking elect her and then go back to picking Republicans in 2025/2026 and beyond.  For the love of God, you will get another chance in 2028 if she wins.  

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Just now, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

So, I know the end of America is important and all, but this thread has brought up Chili's talk and I must be the only one who does the following.  At Chili's and nowhere else do I order the ranch to dip my chips in along with the salsa and it's fucking delicious.   Also, earlier in this thread there was talk about Project 2025 taking away Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc....  Yeah, I guess those are important since they give people money to live on and health care but the thing that really hurts most people that Project 2025 looks to take away is porn.  

ranch dip at a restaurant? I'll dip chips in ranch at home, but I don't think I've ever done that at a restaurant. I always go for the queso with beef.

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