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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

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Trump v. Biden

Age
Trump: Old
Biden: Old

Average COVID deaths per day
Trump: 1,215
Biden: 455

COVID deaths most recent week in office
Trump: 24,690
Biden: 80

Total jobs added
Trump: -2.720M
Biden: +15.722M

Total jobs added outside COVID
Trump: +6.409M/36 months (178,028 per/)
Biden: +6.290M/24 months (262,083 per/)

Manufacturing jobs added
Trump: -192k
Biden: +733k

Inflation
Trump: +1600% (from May '20 to the end of his term)
Biden: -67.0% (from June '22 to June '24)

Immigration actions
Trump: 472 (over 4 years)
Biden: 535 (over 3 years)

Southern border arrests
Trump: 1.4M (2019-2020, 24 months)
Biden: 5.0M+ (first 26 months)

Lies told
Trump: 30,573 (over 4 years)
Biden: Not even close to that

Approval abroad
Trump: 28%
Biden: 43%

Companies bankrupted
Trump: 6
Biden: 0

Times impeached
Trump: 2
Biden: 0

Felony convictions
Trump: 34
Biden: 0

Felony charges pending
Trump: 54
Biden: 0

Times liable for fraud
Trump: 1
Biden: 0

Times liable for defamation
Trump: 2
Biden: 0

Times liable for rape
Trump: 1
Biden 0

Supporters arrested for actions on 1/6/2021
Trump: 1,265
Biden: 0

On Epstein list?
Trump: Yes
Biden: No

This race should NOT be close!
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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

She released her delegates. She hasn't kissed the ring or done a DeSantis. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/09/politics/nikki-haley-delegates-presidential-convention/index.html

 “We need a president who will hold our enemies to account, secure our border, cut our debt, and get our economy back on track. I encourage my delegates to support Donald Trump next week in Milwaukee.”

 

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9 minutes ago, 'stache said:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/09/politics/nikki-haley-delegates-presidential-convention/index.html

 “We need a president who will hold our enemies to account, secure our border, cut our debt, and get our economy back on track. I encourage my delegates to support Donald Trump next week in Milwaukee.”

 

Yes, that's saying all the right things to keep her powder dry for 2028. It's not showing up at a Trump event to kiss his ass and prostrate yourself before him. Is she Christie or Cheney, no. But they've got no future going forward any way. Someone will eventually have to be there when the Trump era comes to a crashing end.  

15 hours ago, aggie08 said:

So where are we at with Trump being toast legally, and everyone thinking otherwise being negative nancies? I mean, I wish you were right...

He was toast, but then a corrupt SCOTUS did the unthinkable, and Democracy is on the brink.

 

15 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Yeah I had a friend text during the debate "Geez I was gonna vote for Biden but think I'll just stay home at this point. That was pathetic. Two terrible options."

I guess we'll see what the turnout is like in November. 

Your friend is an idiot and is basically supporting the end of democracy at this point.

 

There are no legitimate replacements for Biden at this point. Anyone saying otherwise is working for the other side.

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yes, that's saying all the right things to keep her powder dry for 2028. It's not showing up at a Trump event to kiss his ass and prostrate yourself before him. Is she Christie or Cheney, no. But they've got no future going forward any way. Someone will eventually have to be there when the Trump era comes to a crashing end.  

She'll learn what the other women and Tim Scott have learned, which is despite the lip service, the Republican Party will never nominate anyone that's not a white man.

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

My dad is dead, jerk.

Oh yeah, Denny? Well, the jerk store called. They are running out of you!

3 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

There are no legitimate replacements for Biden at this point. Anyone saying otherwise is working for the other side.

Well, there's virtually zero chance that Biden wins if the election were next Tuesday, so not a whole lot to lose by trying something else, yeah?

1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

50 minutes until the debate…

 

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Debate…press conference he might be confused. 

5 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

There are no legitimate replacements for Biden at this point. Anyone saying otherwise is working for the other side.

Not real sure about your logic here, as the "other side" desperately wants Biden to be the nominee. 

Some of these folks, mean and dumb as we think they are, have towed a delicate balance fairly well in political terms.  Haley, Rubio, Burgum, and most importantly-Glen Youngkin have done a deft job of challenging of Trump's insanity without insulting his MAGA base while keeping the CoC/Country Club GOP traditionalists in their rolodex.  They'll have their time, and even if they lose a few million MAGA lunatics, they'll pick up some moderates who sat out 2020 & 2024 Trump cycle because he's fucking insane.  DeSantis, Christie, Tim Scott, and Hutchison are either too weak, too fat, too Black, or too old for 2028.

In the end, everybody doing Trump's bidding in business or politics gets fucked so somehow, Haley is fucked.  Burgum is kind of that periphery, as is Rubio (who still has age on his side and could serve as a VP to setup his own bid one day).  The one who got the least entangled, by far, with Trump was Youngkin.  Between those 4, those are your two ticket names in 2028.  Assuming we still have elections.      

I assume the appeal of Vance is to go for the kill in the rust belt states and shore up Trump’s slippage in the white working class vote that he lost there between 2016 and 2020. Also a smart guy and will likely be a competent debater. Vance apparently made the intros that got Trump in with the Silicon Valley donors for his big fundraiser there last month. 
 

Of course it could be as simple as Trump likes him because his last name is one syllable. “Trump - Vance” sounds best to him. 
 

People say Trump wouldn’t pick Haley or Rubio because they are too ambitious and might try to depose him, but I think you need to watch your back around anyone who could shift so radically between where he was on Trump circa 2015 and where he is now. 

Now I want Biden replaced solely because the trunp campaign wants Biden to stay because that’s who they’ve prepped for. 

The Atlantic is reporting the trunp campaign is already gearing up for a landslide win.

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

The Atlantic is reporting the trunp campaign is already gearing up for a landslide win.

If this were to happen (I don’t believe it will), what reason would people have to keep fighting?  It’s been fucking exhausting for almost a decade. Let’s just split up the US and get it over with.

13 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yes, that's saying all the right things to keep her powder dry for 2028. It's not showing up at a Trump event to kiss his ass and prostrate yourself before him. Is she Christie or Cheney, no. But they've got no future going forward any way. Someone will eventually have to be there when the Trump era comes to a crashing end.  

Her motivation is irrelevant, she has capitulated and kissed the ring, period. If anything, her reason makes it worse. Telling people to support a dangerous con man so she can be next in line.

Biden and the Ukraine President speaking now.

When he introduced Zelensky he said and now here is President Putin! Oh God.

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

 

Now I want Biden replaced solely because the trunp campaign wants Biden to stay because that’s who they’ve prepped for. 

The Atlantic is reporting the trunp campaign is already gearing up for a landslide win.

They’ve also been expecting to go after Kamala because it’s clear that she would be taking over at some point in a hypothetical second Biden term. And they have enough ammunition on her to recreate the bank heist scene from Heat. 

1 minute ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Biden and the Ukraine President speaking now.

When he introduced Zelensky he said and now here is President Putin! Oh God.

Uh, did that really just happen?

1 minute ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Biden and the Ukraine President speaking now.

When he introduced Zelensky he said and now here is President Putin! Oh God.

It’s fucking over.  LMAO

Just now, Goredho said:

Uh, did that really just happen?

Yes

1 minute ago, Goredho said:

Uh, did that really just happen?

If so, then yeah, he’s done. 

Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

It’s fucking over.  

I hope you mean Biden’s campaign.

Oh for fuckssakes, anybody have the clip of Biden doing that?  NOT GREAT BOB! 

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

It’s fucking over.  LMAO

Yes

I was already pretty convinced he was going to be replaced in some way but, yes, that comment has to be the kill shot. Oy vey!

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12 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

I assume the appeal of Vance is to go for the kill in the rust belt states and shore up Trump’s slippage in the white working class vote that he lost there between 2016 and 2020. Also a smart guy and will likely be a competent debater. Vance apparently made the intros that got Trump in with the Silicon Valley donors for his big fundraiser there last month. 
 

Of course it could be as simple as Trump likes him because his last name is one syllable. “Trump - Vance” sounds best to him. 
 

People say Trump wouldn’t pick Haley or Rubio because they are too ambitious and might try to depose him, but I think you need to watch your back around anyone who could shift so radically between where he was on Trump circa 2015 and where he is now. 

Real talk here--that Michigan-Ohio rivalry is so toxic that Vance is probably worth a point to the Democratic nominee in Michigan.

7 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Biden and the Ukraine President speaking now.

When he introduced Zelensky he said and now here is President Putin! Oh God.

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Biden, "Did I say Putin?  I meant Zelensky.  You people all look alike to me.  You know...Soviets."  

It’s got to be Joever. 

 

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Just now, Slacks said:

I have a bad feeling about this.

"It's an older Joe, Lord Vader.  And he's checked out."  

1 minute ago, Jive Turkey said:

It’s got to Joever. 

 

MALARKEY!!

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

These polls are really bad news for people who want a different nominee.

We're back, baby!

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3 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

It’s got to Joever. 

 

Can we get a different source for corroboration?  

That doesn't make it better. Again, every stumble is going to be magnified even more. 

I can't even listen to that. It's cringey enough to read.

He'll be ok until he starts calling Jill Melania in bed.

15 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

It’s fucking over.  LMAO

Yes

Yes. He introduced Zelensky as Putin and then said no we are going to beat Putin. I meant Zelensky. 

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3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

That doesn't make it better. Again, every stumble is going to be magnified even more. 

This.  He can’t survive until November like this.  Maybe literally. 

It's elder abuse at this point. It's over Joe.

The Putin clip is going crazy viral already.

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Look on the bright side, this makes it easier for his inner circle to tell him to step down before Election Day and onboard another ticket.  Trump still wins, and we'll all be trying to access Surly whilst living underground come 2025, but we'll have a few laughs between now and then.  Maybe another CFP appearance and a nice Holiday Season.  It was fun America, I'll be abroad.

Jokes aside, every President of any age gets foreign leaders names mixed up.  Shit, I get my own children's names mixed up.  But when it's NATO and you're there to pledge support for the guy from Ukraine whose name starts with a "Z", you can't slide over to "Putin"---the guy invading his country which is the real reason NATO is meeting beyond the ceremonial anniversary.

This is a landing you gotta stick.  

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