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20 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Whose religion was threatened?  Yours.  LOL.  Thus your emotional reaction.

I can handle whatever.  I was out in it.  Every fucking day.  Still haven't had gotdam Covid.   That is not to deny its existence, but I'm not a health lottery winner either.

my mom hasn't had it either. they don't know why these people seem to be immune. one theory is they do get it, it's just undetected and sloughed off easily. either way same result, never got it, or it never took real hold. it's the opposite of those who get absolutely fucking annihilated by it, probably 5% on each side. everyone else in the middle.

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Sound like masking in enclosed public spaces and getting the jab during the worst of it worked for you, @Iceman. Congrats! That's great news. I too took all the prescribed precautions and came out of it physically unscathed (i.e., I never caught it either).

I suppose, though, we could also have won the genetic lottery and have some characteristic that protected us from that specific virus as @troph postulates. After all, I do recall something about how certain blood types seemed to be less susceptible to the virus attaching to cells.

Whichever the case, I'm grateful but have moved on. 

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2 hours ago, troph said:

fair enough, but 5-6% develop long covid which is not a nuisance it's pure fucking misery and some never recover. we can treat it as a nuisance

Agree, it’s misery, but you’re working with old data. The number of immune naive people that are out there is almost nothing. The incidence of long Covid with prior immunity is greatly reduced. Even more so with omicron. And that’s where I go back to having a personal discussion with your physician on your risks for Covid complications and subsequent booster immunizations.

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50 minutes ago, bolverk said:

never caught it either

You would have to have titers drawn to prove that. There are huge percentages of people who caught it, developed antibodies, and never showed any significant symptoms.

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36 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

You would have to have titers drawn to prove that. There are huge percentages of people who caught it, developed antibodies, and never showed any significant symptoms.

Oaky, well, I've been sick twice since the pandemic first hit: once in August 2021, after a work trip, and the other in December 2024, after a road trip to New York. In both cases, I performed the Covid home test kit, and in both cases, the results were negative.

So, yeah, I could've been exposed at some point, but let's just say I never got sick from Covid. Now, again, my point to Slorch was that he's not unique in not having fallen ill with Covid, either from a) winning some kind of genetic luck or b) following the advice of experts by taking the shot/masking up in enclosed public spaces during the worst of the outbreak.

Is there something you disagree with in my saying that? Is there a flaw in my logic, doctor?

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The only time I ever tested positive for Covid my illness was roughly as benign as an allergy attack.  It was essentially a 16-hour headache.  I didn't test because I felt awful, I tested because my wife DID feel awful and she had a positive test.

I've had a half dozen vaccines and boosters, though.  It would not shock me if most people have caught covid, vaxxed or not, and their situations just never rose to the level of shittery that would prompt them to even test.  And, once you've had it you are almost surely more immune down the road.  And, the tests aren't perfect.

All that said, our knowledge and herd immunity are vastly different now than they were in the spring of 2020, and anyone who wants to rewrite that history can take a long walk off a short pier.

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23 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Contrarian egotistic intellectually stunted motherfuckers like @Anastasis want to circle back and criticize US policy in fighting a pandemic that killed 1.2 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ALONE and yet offer absolutely nothing of substance that would have helped in real time.  Typical.

We had lots of real time conversation here. For example I was a vocal advocate of first dose vax maximization and extended interval second dosing. Just cause you have a short memory does not mean the rest of us do jimmy. 

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

We had lots of real time conversation here. For example I was a vocal advocate of first dose vax maximization and extended interval second dosing. Just cause you have a short memory does not mean the rest of us do jimmy. 

I have a great memory.  For instance, I remember quite clearly that you are a contrarian egotistic intellectually stunted motherfucker, and that you offer nothing of substance but seem to get off on acting smarter than most (which you most certainly are not), annie.

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I'll stop posting about real life, and let the fairy tale bullshit continue.

 

Shouldn't we "deniers" be dead yet?

 

( I'm not one, but I object to protocol that cannot be executed properly)

Everyone should be nodding in agreement by now.

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4 hours ago, Newdoc said:

 

Agree, it’s misery, but you’re working with old data. The number of immune naive people that are out there is almost nothing. The incidence of long Covid with prior immunity is greatly reduced. Even more so with omicron. And that’s where I go back to having a personal discussion with your physician on your risks for Covid complications and subsequent booster immunizations.

The first primary care doctor that knows anything of consequence about Covid beyond cursory crap you can find on webMD will be the first. 

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22 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Has anyone on here actually taken a fucking course on public health?

It’s completely un-American - sacrifice the individual (individual liberty) for the good of the collective - which in turn makes it good for 99.99% of all individuals. 

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22 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Has anyone on here actually taken a fucking course on public health?

I'm honestly surprised that terrorist organizations haven't tried something on a large-scale involving pandemic-type stuff.

I mean, there's been a few attacks here and there on a small scale over the decades (I can't remember the last one, but maybe the subway thing in Tokyo or whatever?), and a whole shitload of movies and TV shows that centered around terrorists dropping some contagious shit into countries.

But we have cabinet-level people who are pushing the government to A) stop letting the people know when shit is going down and B) distrust vaccines (and actively work against them). Seems like a ready-made disaster for terrorists to exploit.

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21 hours ago, Iceman said:

I'll stop posting about real life, and let the fairy tale bullshit continue.

 

Shouldn't we "deniers" be dead yet?

 

( I'm not one, but I object to protocol that cannot be executed properly)

Everyone should be nodding in agreement by now.

My ancestors obviously didn't die from the Bubonic Plague, so it must not have been that bad.  

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

But we have cabinet-level people who are pushing the government to A) stop letting the people know when shit is going down and B) distrust vaccines (and actively work against them). Seems like a ready-made disaster for terrorists to exploit.

Well the chucklefucks in liberty hill aren’t being nice enough to share their kid’s immunizations or travel history per that KXAN story. So seems like that strategy is working all the way from the top to the local level. Considering how many immunocompromised kids I personally know at my kid’s elementary, I’d expect it to be the same everywhere. I’ll never understand how they care so little about the people around them. Selfish fucking people. 

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3 hours ago, drt said:

I’ll never understand how they care so little about the people around them. Selfish fucking people. 

And they are making policy as we speak

How the FDA Might Make It Harder to Get COVID Shots This Year

The U.S. government has not yet made its official recommendations for who should be able to get COVID booster shots this fall, but FDA officials published a policy position in the New England Journal of Medicine announcing that it intends to make some drastic policy changes. The changes could result in healthy people under age 65 losing access to COVID vaccines, according to vaccine experts who have spoken about the policies. Here’s what we know so far, and why the announced policy could be a problem. 

The new policy, according to the NEJM article, would be to accept those immunobridging studies only to approve vaccines for people aged 65 and up, and people above the age of 6 months who have one of the high-risk conditions on a list maintained by the CDC. 

For healthy people under 65, the FDA’s policy wouldn’t approve new COVID vaccines unless they were tested against a placebo. (The type of placebo is phrased vaguely: “The control group could receive a saline placebo,” the authors write.) 

The FDA doesn’t have the authority to change the recommendations on who should get vaccines that are already approved (that’s the CDC’s purview), but it is in charge of approving vaccines and can approve them only for specific populations. 

Public health experts are, to put it mildly, not happy with this plan. That’s because we already have COVID vaccines that work. Doing a placebo-controlled trial would require withholding COVID vaccines from people in the control group; they would get saline instead of a functional vaccine. 

The normal way to do this type of trial (if you do one at all, rather than relying on immunobridging) is to compare the new vaccine or medication against one that is already considered effective. To use an extreme analogy, you wouldn’t test a new design of seatbelt by randomizing people to ride around without using any seatbelts at all. 

Vaccine scientist Peter Hotez told CNN that the FDA’s announced approach “essentially denies access to vaccines,” since such trials are not practical for companies to do. In a post on Bluesky, toxicologist Ryan Marino said that it amounts to “scientific misconduct.” Vaccine expert Paul Offit told NPR “I don't think it's ethical, given that we have a vaccine that works, given that we know that SARS-CoV2 [the COVID virus] continues to circulate and cause hospitalizations and death, and there's no group that has no risk.”

The new policy isn’t official yet, but it’s hard to imagine the FDA and CDC being allowed to approve and recommend vaccines the way it always has in the current political climate. Biologics director Vinay Prasad and FDA Commissioner Marty Makary, whose names appear on the FDA’s policy statement, have a history of arguing against COVID vaccine access for children. 

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It's kind of a wild world where people are advocating boosting healthy 6 month olds and the people that think that maybe we need some hard clinical endpoint data to support that are somehow anti-science. Just bizarro tribalism. 

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7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And they are making policy as we speak

How the FDA Might Make It Harder to Get COVID Shots This Year

The U.S. government has not yet made its official recommendations for who should be able to get COVID booster shots this fall, but FDA officials published a policy position in the New England Journal of Medicine announcing that it intends to make some drastic policy changes. The changes could result in healthy people under age 65 losing access to COVID vaccines, according to vaccine experts who have spoken about the policies. Here’s what we know so far, and why the announced policy could be a problem. 

The new policy, according to the NEJM article, would be to accept those immunobridging studies only to approve vaccines for people aged 65 and up, and people above the age of 6 months who have one of the high-risk conditions on a list maintained by the CDC. 

For healthy people under 65, the FDA’s policy wouldn’t approve new COVID vaccines unless they were tested against a placebo. (The type of placebo is phrased vaguely: “The control group could receive a saline placebo,” the authors write.) 

The FDA doesn’t have the authority to change the recommendations on who should get vaccines that are already approved (that’s the CDC’s purview), but it is in charge of approving vaccines and can approve them only for specific populations. 

Public health experts are, to put it mildly, not happy with this plan. That’s because we already have COVID vaccines that work. Doing a placebo-controlled trial would require withholding COVID vaccines from people in the control group; they would get saline instead of a functional vaccine. 

The normal way to do this type of trial (if you do one at all, rather than relying on immunobridging) is to compare the new vaccine or medication against one that is already considered effective. To use an extreme analogy, you wouldn’t test a new design of seatbelt by randomizing people to ride around without using any seatbelts at all. 

Vaccine scientist Peter Hotez told CNN that the FDA’s announced approach “essentially denies access to vaccines,” since such trials are not practical for companies to do. In a post on Bluesky, toxicologist Ryan Marino said that it amounts to “scientific misconduct.” Vaccine expert Paul Offit told NPR “I don't think it's ethical, given that we have a vaccine that works, given that we know that SARS-CoV2 [the COVID virus] continues to circulate and cause hospitalizations and death, and there's no group that has no risk.”

The new policy isn’t official yet, but it’s hard to imagine the FDA and CDC being allowed to approve and recommend vaccines the way it always has in the current political climate. Biologics director Vinay Prasad and FDA Commissioner Marty Makary, whose names appear on the FDA’s policy statement, have a history of arguing against COVID vaccine access for children. 

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Those fuckheads are testing to prove that the placebo works, not whether the vaccine does.

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On 5/23/2025 at 7:13 AM, Scheiss Meister said:

Those fuckheads are testing to prove that the placebo works, not whether the vaccine does.

He believes chemtrails are real and is using his power to investigate.

Just wait until he starts publicly questioning the Apollo landings.

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On 5/21/2025 at 7:10 AM, Iceman said:

There was...um...pressure.

Again, stop acting as if we weren't there.  LOL/ SMDH  Fauci didn't exist, right?  Certain states were not called out for defying the recommendations, right?  Nah.  We just made it up.

 

Pressure not to be a fucking moron? Yeah I would hope so. Too bad so many morons are resistant to pressure

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4 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Pressure not to be a fucking moron? Yeah I would hope so. Too bad so many morons are resistant to pressure

What is your medical opinion on booster shots for healthy children and healthy pregnant women?

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7 hours ago, Js1 said:

Why would anyone need it? I thought it was fake the whole time. 

Public health discourse ca. 2025 yall. Tweets and twats and politically brain damaged discourse for everyone. 

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Not ideal:

Grant Vander Vorst is at the epicenter of vaccine hesitancy in South Dakota: Just 56% of incoming kindergartners in Faulk County, where he lives, were up to date on their measles, mumps and rubella vaccination during the 2023-24 school year, which was the lowest rate of any county in the state with available data.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/myself-south-dakota-vaccination-rates-235837508.html

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What is your medical opinion on booster shots for healthy children and healthy pregnant women?

That they listen to their doctors and no one on the Internet. Considering something like 95% of docs take vacations, I’ll follow suit.
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3 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

That they listen to their doctors and no one on the Internet. Considering something like 95% of docs take vacations, I’ll follow suit.

Well the question was about sb's medical opinion regarding the benefit of a particular vaccine administered to specific subgroups of low risk individuals, not vaccinations generally. Ninety five percent of docs take vaccinations, but only a small fraction take RSV vaccination, for example. Cause the benefit is to certain subgroups of at risk individuals. 

Here is a poll of healthcare providers from 2024 re: COVID boosting: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24004420#s0030

Nearly 20% of hcps didn't want to boost themselves, and ~1/3 of hcps with children were unsure or hesitant about vaxxing their children at all, must less putting them on the booster treadmill.

  

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On 5/27/2025 at 12:15 PM, HenryJames said:

 


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https://www.acog.org/news/news-releases/2025/05/acog-statement-on-hhs-recommendations-regarding-the-covid-vaccine-during-pregnancy
 

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Following this announcement, we are worried about our patients in the future, who may be less likely to choose vaccination during pregnancy despite the clear and definitive evidence demonstrating its benefit. We are concerned about access implications and what this recommendation will mean for insurance coverage of the COVID-19 vaccine for those who do choose to get vaccinated during pregnancy. And as ob-gyns, we are very concerned about the potential deterioration of vaccine confidence in the future.”

Are you surprised? I’m not surprised.

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On 5/21/2025 at 4:13 PM, wildcat09 said:

I like how exactly the posters you'd expect to do this are pretending that everything we know we also knew in March/April 2020.

Oh, there was plenty of misinformation after that.

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I had the vaccine, I've had two boosters, I've had covid 3 times now, and each time I've had it, its gotten progressively less severe.  I know 2 people who died directly from covid and I known 4-5 that went batshit crazy after isolation during lockdowns. Two of those people that went crazy are dead, with the isolation being a contributor to their shortened life.

We'll never have an honest retrospective of the COVID pandemic and our public health response to it, and that's a fucking shame.

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On 5/21/2025 at 8:05 PM, Iceman said:

I'll stop posting about real life, and let the fairy tale bullshit continue.

 

Shouldn't we "deniers" be dead yet?

 

( I'm not one, but I object to protocol that cannot be executed properly)

Everyone should be nodding in agreement by now.

What are you denying? Do you even have a coherent point?

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59 minutes ago, Goredho said:

  I know 2 people who died directly from covid and I known 4-5 that went batshit crazy after isolation during lockdowns. Two of those people that went crazy are dead, with the isolation being a contributor to their shortened life.

We'll never have an honest retrospective of the COVID pandemic and our public health response to it, and that's a fucking shame.

I know half-a-dozen people who died from covid over the span of 2 years and it's probably a bias of some sort because I'm pushing 50 and so my aunts/uncles/older in-laws/friends' parents are all in their 70s-90s so I knew a shitload of senior citizens/elderly.

But on the isolation thing, help me out here, I'm not trying to be a dick or insensitive, but when you say "isolation" what are you talking about? We were never stuck in our homes like the Chinese were and I'm always curious when I hear people talk about "isolation".

In my case, my family, weather permitting, were out walking or biking every single day, walking around parks or just down the creek, we were driving out to pick up food at various restaurants and grocery stores (whose employees were obviously coming in), we were getting stuff delivered from Amazon, Walmart, etc. I was on Zoom 2-3 hours or more a day, my kids were on Zoom 2-3 hours a day with classmates.  We had multiple evenings during the week where we were on Zoom with my wife's Sunday school group playing games or just shooting the shit.  I had 3 different zoom calls setup every week with various parts of our family where we'd have anywhere from 5-10 family members on a call, plus I had a regular zoom call going with about 20 high school friends (and prior to that our interaction was the occasional text or facebook message or like).  In fact, I spoke with some family and friends far, far more during COVID than I did before or after.  I mean I had a calendar on the wall listing all of different things we had going on every single day or night in terms of zoom or phone calls or online gaming with friends (Roll20.net was amazing).

So when I hear people talk about "isolation" during COVID, I'm always curious, because I was arguably more connected with family/friends and some people I did some freelance projects with during COVID than I ever have been before or after. In fact, our older relatives that we rarely talked to, we were talking to every week or two for an hour or more, and checking in on them, etc. Now it drove me crazy that my kids and wife were home all the time, but that was just a lot more family time than anticipated.

I will say it did affect kids in school at certain ages - that needs to be studied, although many have seemed to have bounced back or even forgotten about it (depends on the age of the kids).

What I'm getting at, is what kind of "isolation" did those people go through, that died?  I freely admit that I've joked about how all of the preppers who had their bunkers or survival closets stocked full of Jim Bakker 'Bucket of Mashed Potatoes that will feed a family of five for a year' were melting down that they couldn't go to SuperCuts or eat in at Chili's, but what did isolation look like for the people you are talking about?  Because I always felt like we were never fully isolated - we could still get out and walk or drive around, or put on our masks and go stand 6 feet apart in HEB.

 

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12 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I know half-a-dozen people who died from covid over the span of 2 years and it's probably a bias of some sort because I'm pushing 50 and so my aunts/uncles/older in-laws/friends' parents are all in their 70s-90s so I knew a shitload of senior citizens/elderly.

But on the isolation thing, help me out here, I'm not trying to be a dick or insensitive, but when you say "isolation" what are you talking about? We were never stuck in our homes like the Chinese were and I'm always curious when I hear people talk about "isolation".

In my case, my family, weather permitting, were out walking or biking every single day, walking around parks or just down the creek, we were driving out to pick up food at various restaurants and grocery stores (whose employees were obviously coming in), we were getting stuff delivered from Amazon, Walmart, etc. I was on Zoom 2-3 hours or more a day, my kids were on Zoom 2-3 hours a day with classmates.  We had multiple evenings during the week where we were on Zoom with my wife's Sunday school group playing games or just shooting the shit.  I had 3 different zoom calls setup every week with various parts of our family where we'd have anywhere from 5-10 family members on a call, plus I had a regular zoom call going with about 20 high school friends (and prior to that our interaction was the occasional text or facebook message or like).  In fact, I spoke with some family and friends far, far more during COVID than I did before or after.  I mean I had a calendar on the wall listing all of different things we had going on every single day or night in terms of zoom or phone calls or online gaming with friends (Roll20.net was amazing).

So when I hear people talk about "isolation" during COVID, I'm always curious, because I was arguably more connected with family/friends and some people I did some freelance projects with during COVID than I ever have been before or after. In fact, our older relatives that we rarely talked to, we were talking to every week or two for an hour or more, and checking in on them, etc. Now it drove me crazy that my kids and wife were home all the time, but that was just a lot more family time than anticipated.

I will say it did affect kids in school at certain ages - that needs to be studied, although many have seemed to have bounced back or even forgotten about it (depends on the age of the kids).

What I'm getting at, is what kind of "isolation" did those people go through, that died?  I freely admit that I've joked about how all of the preppers who had their bunkers or survival closets stocked full of Jim Bakker 'Bucket of Mashed Potatoes that will feed a family of five for a year' were melting down that they couldn't go to SuperCuts or eat in at Chili's, but what did isolation look like for the people you are talking about?  Because I always felt like we were never fully isolated - we could still get out and walk or drive around, or put on our masks and go stand 6 feet apart in HEB.

 

Man, 100% this. We were so much more intentional about making connections with friends, family and neighbors during COVID. We would drive to Austin just to sit outside on my parent’s back patio to have dinner and wine and then grab a hotel downtown. We had weekly driveway happy hours with an open invite to all the neighbors to bring their camp chairs and drinks where we would stay up late BS-ing, laughing and drinking. We had scheduled Zoom calls with friends in other cities. I had a weekly Zoom happy hour with my group of seven closest friends. Our schedule was full and we never felt isolated because we got creative and made it a point to have social interaction. There are definitely some parts of that that I miss. 

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2 minutes ago, royiv said:

Man, 100% this. We were so much more intentional about making connections with friends, family and neighbors during COVID. We would drive to Austin just to sit outside on my parent’s back patio to have dinner and wine and then grab a hotel downtown. We had weekly driveway happy hours with an open invite to all the neighbors to bring their camp chairs and drinks where we would stay up late BS-ing, laughing and drinking. We had scheduled Zoom calls with friends in other cities. I had a weekly Zoom happy hour with my group of seven closest friends. Our schedule was full and we never felt isolated because we got creative and made it a point to have social interaction. There are definitely some parts of that that I miss. 

We did a lot of this too.  Partly, we were able to because the normal social calendar for us and our kids had gone to zero.  But also, we just made more of an effort.  I miss that as well.

 

 

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40 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I know half-a-dozen people who died from covid over the span of 2 years and it's probably a bias of some sort because I'm pushing 50 and so my aunts/uncles/older in-laws/friends' parents are all in their 70s-90s so I knew a shitload of senior citizens/elderly.

But on the isolation thing, help me out here, I'm not trying to be a dick or insensitive, but when you say "isolation" what are you talking about? We were never stuck in our homes like the Chinese were and I'm always curious when I hear people talk about "isolation".

In my case, my family, weather permitting, were out walking or biking every single day, walking around parks or just down the creek, we were driving out to pick up food at various restaurants and grocery stores (whose employees were obviously coming in), we were getting stuff delivered from Amazon, Walmart, etc. I was on Zoom 2-3 hours or more a day, my kids were on Zoom 2-3 hours a day with classmates.  We had multiple evenings during the week where we were on Zoom with my wife's Sunday school group playing games or just shooting the shit.  I had 3 different zoom calls setup every week with various parts of our family where we'd have anywhere from 5-10 family members on a call, plus I had a regular zoom call going with about 20 high school friends (and prior to that our interaction was the occasional text or facebook message or like).  In fact, I spoke with some family and friends far, far more during COVID than I did before or after.  I mean I had a calendar on the wall listing all of different things we had going on every single day or night in terms of zoom or phone calls or online gaming with friends (Roll20.net was amazing).

So when I hear people talk about "isolation" during COVID, I'm always curious, because I was arguably more connected with family/friends and some people I did some freelance projects with during COVID than I ever have been before or after. In fact, our older relatives that we rarely talked to, we were talking to every week or two for an hour or more, and checking in on them, etc. Now it drove me crazy that my kids and wife were home all the time, but that was just a lot more family time than anticipated.

I will say it did affect kids in school at certain ages - that needs to be studied, although many have seemed to have bounced back or even forgotten about it (depends on the age of the kids).

What I'm getting at, is what kind of "isolation" did those people go through, that died?  I freely admit that I've joked about how all of the preppers who had their bunkers or survival closets stocked full of Jim Bakker 'Bucket of Mashed Potatoes that will feed a family of five for a year' were melting down that they couldn't go to SuperCuts or eat in at Chili's, but what did isolation look like for the people you are talking about?  Because I always felt like we were never fully isolated - we could still get out and walk or drive around, or put on our masks and go stand 6 feet apart in HEB.

 

One was my mother in a posh independent living facility that basically shut down all of its communal spaces and cruise ship activities and severely limited access to people from outside the facility.  Sure, we talked to her on the phone and such (FaceTime and zoom were beyond her ability), and visited as we could, but she went from having a full daily life to one where she was alone, in her room, essentially having meals pushed under the door.   She became unable to manage meds by herself, and the facility limited access to help.  She went bananas, and I won't go into all the specifics, but suffice to say she shortened her life by a handful of years, though it was not an overt suicide.

The second was a guy that lives up in the Colorado mountains.  He was divorced, lived alone.  Spent a lot of his time holding down a stool at a bar, and was a funny dude, until that went away when our town shut down hard.  He was stuck there in his cabin with little interaction like my mom.  He committed suicide barely a month into lockdowns.  Sure, you can say that he was at risk anyway given his life context, but he was hanging on.  But in the isolation, he decided the best path forward was to eat a bullet.

Both lived alone, both relied on people outside of their personal dwelling for human connection, both fared terribly during their period of isolation, which is a vastly different experience than that of someone who is isolating with a full house.  Going to SuperCuts, eating at Chilis, shooting the shit with locals at the bar, playing bridge with the other matrons on your floor may seem insignificant to you.  I mean, it did to me.  To some people in a vastly different living context, these insignificant social interactions are what keeps them sane on a daily basis.

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I saw similar happen to a couple of men who from my knowledge pretty well sync with the above description.  Regulars at a couple of sportsbar/tavern establishments I will stop at, no family, drank themselves to death during pandemic.  No way to prove they wouldn't have died otherwise, they didn't eat a bullet.  Just my read on their demises.

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