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I thought there should be a place to discuss the tragedy outside of the rain event itself, and outside of a political context.

It might make sense to move the discussions about the Guadalupe, the camps, and the flooding in the Austin area to here as it’s more than just a rain event now.

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2 minutes ago, Kennythetiger said:

Didn’t see that fucker at the top of the page, huh?  

How to help vs news or the discussion of the tragedy.

But thanks for the asshole comment.

Glad you’re here and moving the discussion along.

 

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26 minutes ago, C-Man said:

WSJ says death toll up to 67. Eleven Mystic campers and one counselor still missing.

I can’t understand why / how the numbers keep changing. It’s so frustrating.

There needs to be one, ONE consistent death toll and at least a confirmed number of those unaccounted for. There needs to be the state controlling this effort and our STATE leadership taking the reins.

The PR aspect of this continues to flounder. 
The lack of organizational leadership is apparent to me. The state wants to blame the county so they aren’t trying to control the message.

It’s so fucking obvious they don’t want any dead kid stink on them so they are sitting back.

I hate everything.

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One of the camp counselors who was there Katharine Somerville (I think I got the spelling right from the tv) and she is a Hunt, Texa native is describing the event. And just how isolated they were until they were eventually rescued by the National Guard. She has been in touch with all of her campers, they all survived. All of those that were moved to Cypress lake are safe (which we knew.) she said she feels confident her community is resilient and will be able to rebuild. That’s it really. She teared up when speaking of Mr Eastland as being a father figure and hero to many. 

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My kids have several friends who were there. They are hearing that the second Bubble Inn counselor and the others from that cabin were found together dead this morning. I just have no words left.

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I keep hearing Flash Flood Alley and most dangerous flood plain in the US. Yet a community that makes quite a bit of money from tourists and campers and their parents in the months most likely to have flooding did not want to pay for a warning system bc it was too expensive. It reminds me of the movie Dante’s Peak where a town resides in the valley of a volcano. 🌋 Of all the things I have heard of the past couple of days I think this stubbornness that “well it floods a lot here but it won’t ever get that bad” mentality was a ticking time bomb. It is the mentality. 
 

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Camp Mystic sits on a strip known to locals as “flash flood alley.”

“When it rains, water doesn’t soak into the soil,” said Austin Dickson, CEO of the Community Foundation of the Texas Hill Country, which was collecting donations. “It rushes down the hill.”

Decades prior, floodwaters engulfed a bus of teenage campers from another Christian camp along the Guadalupe River during devastating summer storms in 1987. A total of 10 campers from Pot O’ Gold Christian camp drowned after their bus was unable to evacuate in time from a site near Comfort, 33 miles (53 kilometers) east of Hunt.

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power of nature + local mentality that they will never have the ultimate disaster despite living in their words the most dangerous flash flooding alley in the US is the main factor (not the only one) but it seems that way to me. We all know there are other factors. But this was a disaster waiting to happen. And it seems like the locals owed in my mind their tourists, their campers and families of the campers on the backs of whom they make a healthy monetary cash influx an early warning system in that county to keep them all safe. And now July 4th will be symbolic for tragedy. And they didn’t want to spend the money on a necessary system that could have spared many of the deceased who aren’t even old enough to vote, and in many cases aren’t even big enough to ride most of the rides in theme parks. 
 

that’s how I see it. I’m pissed and hurt and like many of you need to take a break from the tragedy and find some peace. There has been zero word from my two cousins (who each have a friend missing a child) on the two girls that have not yet been found. Keep praying for a miracle despite all evidence to the contrary. The numbers are rising. 

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2 minutes ago, Cap33 said:

My kids have several friends who were there. They are hearing that the second Bubble Inn counselor and the others from that cabin were found together dead this morning. I just have no words left.

Damnit all to hell. That um…I am still waiting on word of two of the little girls. This…holy shit. 😢 fuck. 

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38 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

I can’t understand why / how the numbers keep changing. It’s so frustrating.

There needs to be one, ONE consistent death toll and at least a confirmed number of those unaccounted for. There needs to be the state controlling this effort and our STATE leadership taking the reins.

The PR aspect of this continues to flounder. 
The lack of organizational leadership is apparent to me. The state wants to blame the county so they aren’t trying to control the message.

It’s so fucking obvious they don’t want any dead kid stink on them so they are sitting back.

I hate everything.

 

This is what I was asking for last night, and all I could find was a partial list in the Houston Chronicle. Logic would dictate that someone on the state’s disaster response team would be able to compile and publish a consolidated list of a) the deceased who’ve been identified and whose families have been notified, b) a list those who are known to be missing for BOLO reasons, and c) a list of the number of unidentified bodies.

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This image will stick with me. The searchers are seeing things we go out of our way to avoid. I am praying for any type of miracle as Homesick Horn posted in the rain thread he is trying to confirm two girls being found alive near Centerpoint but no clue if connected to Mystic or not. Donate, search if you are able and continue to pray or send your good thoughts. That’s all we have left is the cleanup and the aftermath and a tiny bit of hope in the face of numerous pieces of bad news that continue to pile up. 

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4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

This image will stick with me. The searchers are seeing things we go out of our way to avoid. I am praying for any type of miracle as Homesick Horn posted in the rain thread he is trying to confirm two girls being found alive near Centerpoint but no clue if connected to Mystic or not. Donate, search if you are able and continue to pray or send your good thoughts. That’s all we have left is the cleanup and the aftermath and a tiny bit of hope in the face of numerous pieces of bad news that continue to pile up. 

I guess they are required to wear that full kit at all times?

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2 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

How to help vs news or the discussion of the tragedy.

But thanks for the asshole comment.

Glad you’re here and moving the discussion along.

 

You’re correct. I’m sorry. 

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30 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I guess they are required to wear that full kit at all times?

You talking about the canister of dip? I *think* that’s mandatory but could be mistaken. 
 

I sure as fuck would have a pistol for snakes. I hate snakes, Jacque. Hate ‘em. 

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5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You talking about the canister of dip? I *think* that’s mandatory but could be mistaken. 
 

I sure as fuck would have a pistol for snakes. I hate snakes, Jacque. Hate ‘em. 

It could be bubble tape

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New presser coming at 2:30 pm with some updates. I know much of the numbers will change and it will mostly be bad but I still hold out for any type of good news. Feels foolish but it’s all I have. 

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