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I have a question about the depiction of 1991 Austin, Texas. 

I moved here a little less than three years after the murders, and I don’t remember that much of a cowboy-like presence in the city. Was Lanier High out in the boonies at that time? Or did the victims and their families live in a place like Manor when it was mostly ranch land? My wife has the same question, and she was born and raised here, McCallum High Class of 1991. (By the way, she went to Lamar Middle School with one of the victims.)

They did show the “weird” Austin of the old school Drag. But for the most part it felt like I was watching a setting more like 1970s Fort Worth.

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It's still Texas. Every school had kids who were in FFA. It's highlighted in the doc because those girls were into it. We had plenty of shit kickers at McCallum in the '80s and weren't near any farmland.

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5 hours ago, South Austin said:

I have a question about the depiction of 1991 Austin, Texas. 

I moved here a little less than three years after the murders, and I don’t remember that much of a cowboy-like presence in the city. Was Lanier High out in the boonies at that time? Or did the victims and their families live in a place like Manor when it was mostly ranch land? My wife has the same question, and she was born and raised here, McCallum High Class of 1991. (By the way, she went to Lamar Middle School with one of the victims.)

They did show the “weird” Austin of the old school Drag. But for the most part it felt like I was watching a setting more like 1970s Fort Worth.

In 1989 senior at it ,I  walked around the corner on to 6th towards the east end on the way to Maggie Mae’s, with a girl that was way out of my league. I think there was a country bar down there. Anyway I see 4-5 of my friends squared up with 4-5 cowboys getting ready to fight.( hats , handlebar mustaches , boots- grown ass men much larger than their opponents). As I see my first friend get put in a trash can , said hot chick says “ aren’t those your roommates? “
”where?” I said .

”You better go help them they’re  getting killed”

With in 3 minutes we had bloody noses , black eyes , bruised ribs .
 

I’m pretty sure we got our asses kicked that night by the “the cowboy like presence in the city” 

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43 minutes ago, Farmerted said:

In 1989 senior at it ,I  walked around the corner on to 6th towards the east end on the way to Maggie Mae’s, with a girl that was way out of my league. I think there was a country bar down there. Anyway I see 4-5 of my friends squared up with 4-5 cowboys getting ready to fight.( hats , handlebar mustaches , boots- grown ass men much larger than their opponents). As I see my first friend get put in a trash can , said hot chick says “ aren’t those your roommates? “
”where?” I said .

”You better go help them they’re  getting killed”

With in 3 minutes we had bloody noses , black eyes , bruised ribs .
 

I’m pretty sure we got our asses kicked that night by the “the cowboy like presence in the city” 

 

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On 8/4/2025 at 3:22 PM, Herpa Derpa said:

Contaminated crime scene, myopic and biased investigation, questionable and extremely flawed prosecutions. It was a perfect storm of fuckups.  Everyone was in CYA mode in the aftermath destroying any hope for a true investigation.

Yeah, Mike Lynch who was a good Judge felt the political pressure. He ruled a statement, given by Scott or one of his codefendent's, while a detective held a gun to the back of his head, was freely and voluntarily given. Lynch is a good person but this was a pathetic act of cowardice and I never respected him after.  Gutless pussy. 

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If I hadn't seen footage from the night in question of the detectives on the scene you would not be able to convince me that the white dude wasn't pulled off the drag from his regularly scheduled panhandling. No wonder this shit wasn't solved.

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On 8/5/2025 at 7:47 AM, South Austin said:

There is indeed a fascination with human depravity, and like everything else, filmmakers, studios, and streaming companies cash in on it.  I went through a period in college when I consumed true crime books, and every now and then I watch a true crime documentary if I can tell that it's well produced.

My wife, though, watches that stuff like it's oxygen.  I heard a report on NPR a few years ago that women in particular are drawn to true crime stories, in particular those that involve crimes against women, because they have a strong empathetic connection to them, especially if they have been the victim of some kind of sexual assault or sexual abuse.

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On 8/9/2025 at 7:36 AM, South Austin said:

Was Lanier High out in the boonies at that time?

Lanier wasn’t quite as ghetto then as that area is now but it wasn’t nice by any means. Definitely not even close to being out in the boonies. Shit kicker was just something that was in style back then.  Muscle cars and cowboy hats. 

The shop location was the second one from the north corner of that building.  The nail salon/beauty bar look right. 

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On 8/9/2025 at 1:34 PM, Farmerted said:

In 1989 senior at it ,I  walked around the corner on to 6th towards the east end on the way to Maggie Mae’s, with a girl that was way out of my league. I think there was a country bar down there. Anyway I see 4-5 of my friends squared up with 4-5 cowboys getting ready to fight.( hats , handlebar mustaches , boots- grown ass men much larger than their opponents). As I see my first friend get put in a trash can , said hot chick says “ aren’t those your roommates? “
”where?” I said .

”You better go help them they’re  getting killed”

With in 3 minutes we had bloody noses , black eyes , bruised ribs .
 

I’m pretty sure we got our asses kicked that night by the “the cowboy like presence in the city” 

...and you never saw her again I'm assuming 

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Lanier wasn’t quite as ghetto then as that area is now but it wasn’t nice by any means.


My wife, who went to Anderson, commented she didn’t know so many white kids went to Lanier.

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2 hours ago, Dennis Taylor said:

...and you never saw her again I'm assuming 

Well , I did she had an oral fixation which was nice , but I had to give it up for my own health . Don’t need to derail this thread any further it’s pretty sad and serious . I was in Austin around that time and that whole event was horrific . Everytime it pops up on one of these threads , I look to see if it was solved , then I wish I didn’t . 

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1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

My wife, who went to Anderson, commented she didn’t know so many white kids went to Lanier.

 

Funny you say that. I moved away from that area before high school but I would’ve gone to Lanier. When I was in the 4th grade, they pulled a lot of us out of our mostly white elementary school off Anderson Lane and bussed us over to East Austin because they didn’t have enough white kids over there I guess.  We lived a few blocks from Anderson and Burnet. My recollection is it was a mostly white neighborhood.  I think Lanier also pulled kids from up near the Rundberg area, which is probably where her assumption comes from.  
 

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15 hours ago, chainsaw said:

If I hadn't seen footage from the night in question of the detectives on the scene you would not be able to convince me that the white dude wasn't pulled off the drag from his regularly scheduled panhandling. No wonder this shit wasn't solved.

Wait until you watch episode 2, your opinion will go down even further. Jesus shit, that guy got too much camera time. 

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5 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Funny you say that. I moved away from that area before high school but I would’ve gone to Lanier. When I was in the 4th grade, they pulled a lot of us out of our mostly white elementary school off Anderson Lane and bussed us over to East Austin because they didn’t have enough white kids over there I guess.  We lived a few blocks from Anderson and Burnet. My recollection is it was a mostly white neighborhood.  I think Lanier also pulled kids from up near the Rundberg area, which is probably where her assumption comes from.  
 

Rundberg in the 80s was not the Rundberg of today.

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On 8/9/2025 at 9:38 AM, Deej said:

We had plenty of shit kickers at McCallum in the '80s and weren't near any farmland.

Concur.  Always avoided the "kicker steps."  Those dudes were assholes.

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1. The fuck happened to that detective that when he retired he became a goddamn swamp person? Get a hold of yourself man. Also, I get that you don’t want to discuss details of the case with the family, but after 10 months of fuck ups maybe don’t become antagonistic with a man who lost his world. They tend to not react well. 

2. The APD looks fucking awful here. Goddamn amateur hour. I almost feel bad for the detective with ptsd as it’s pretty obvious he’s in an exceptionally bad place, but that’s the job. It sucks. The finger pointing asshole who came in after the fact is definitely going to be the reason that the next fuck up occurs. I’ll bet not much has changed over the years in the department.

3. Once again, the hardest part is watching Sonora Thomas and Sean Ayers deal with the grief years after the murders. That shit about being alone and losing her parents too….Sean doing anything he can to find closure including these fucking parasites masquerading as P.I.’s. 

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2 hours ago, Kermit said:

Once again, the hardest part is watching Sonora Thomas and Sean Ayers deal with the grief years after the murders. 

The interview with Barbara Ayers-Wilson got me.  She seemed fine at first, like enough time had passed and she was comfortable talking about her daughter's murder.  But then watching her crying and visible heartbreak made me tear up.

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