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Charlie Kirk assassinated at an event in Utah (by a 22 YO groyper)


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2 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Because I hadn't been touched by the algo before he died, i searched out a bunch of short form videos and from what I can gather, he was basically a really articulate (truly) thinker and speaker who reasoned with logic really well extemporaniously (at least, relative and compared to young college students) and defended his conservative positions well.

Search where he has actually debated mature people who know what they are talking about. He gets destroyed. Or  at all the progressive influencers and pundits he flat out refused to debate. 
 

What he did on campuses was the equivalent of a standup doing crowd work

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Posted
Just now, Nivek said:

I really do not understand anything that has been posted recently.  

Which is probably for the best.

But no worries, the MAGA Utah authorities seem to be doing their best to present a pre-cooked narrative of the shooter being a leftist, omitting and ignoring any mention of the groyper/fucked up complex and unbalanced worldview that looks to be the actual case.  We are going to get a curated narrative that matches up with the desired story by the MAGA team running things, and nothing that muddies it even in the slightest.

Which is what they want, and need.  They have desperately wanted this event to provide them what they've been longing for: the opportunity to pursue both legal and physical extermination of anyone and everyone who does not swear 100% featly to the regime.  Don't listen to me.  Listen to what they've all been saying for the past week.

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I’d heard of lookmaxxing because doing the mewing chin thin became irl meme ( a la 6-7) with even normie teens.

my grandson told me the one common denominator with incels is male height. If you are tall, even if you are an awk teen, they hate you and call you Chad and tall boys look forward to the glow up.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Search where he has actually debated mature people who know what they are talking about. He gets destroyed. Or  at all the progressive influencers and pundits he flat out refused to debate. 
 

What he did on campuses was the equivalent of a standup doing crowd work

That’s literally exactly what I said, right?

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3 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I’d heard of lookmaxxing because doing the mewing chin thin became irl meme ( a la 6-7) with even normie teens.

my grandson told me the one common denominator with incels is male height. If you are tall, even if you are an awk teen, they hate you and call you Chad and tall boys look forward to the glow up.

What are the odds you ever thought you would type that?

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6 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

d heard of lookmaxxing because doing the mewing chin thin became irl meme ( a la 6-7) with even normie teens.

Translation plz

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

That’s literally exactly what I said, right?

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he was basically a really articulate (truly) thinker and speaker who reasoned with logic really well extemporaniously (at least, relative and compared to young college students) and defended his conservative positions well.

Of what you said “…articulate…relative and compared to young college students…” is the only accurate part. But yes that part is kind of what I said. Search his encounters with true debaters to see the difference 

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13 minutes ago, G650 said:

Translation plz

And 6-7 is fairly self-explanatory if you've ever spent 10 minutes around any teen for the last 6 months.

Posted
1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

And 6-7 is fairly self-explanatory if you've ever spent 10 minutes around any teen for the last 6 months.

I have not, but I'm sure it will happen sooner or later

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17 minutes ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

What are the odds you ever thought you would type that?

But it's also part of being active in a teens life and understanding where they are putting their time and energy and sort of foolishness is going on. To be fair, I did plenty of foolishing things in my day (as I am sure you all did) but this is the flavor of foolishness and arguably the results and consequences of teen foolishness has never been more dire and unhealthy. This stuff can intersect with the "why are kids so intolerant" discussion tbh.

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Posted
2 hours ago, G650 said:

 

Yeah, I mean logically I get that, but it just is hard to comprehend. The drive to bang is the most powerful one there is, and there's more girls than guys, so I just can't see being stopped by the interwebs. But obviously something is going on.

The drive to bang doesn't develop correctly when you've been fapping to stepmom porn since you were 12. 

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Just now, immamac said:

The drive to bang doesn't develop correctly when you've been fapping to stepmom porn since you were 12. 

Well, unless you have a stepmom I guess. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

The drive to bang doesn't develop correctly when you've been fapping to stepmom porn since you were 12. 

Does any of this have anything to do with getting stuck in a dryer?

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Posted
18 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

So kids having a hard time getting laid are convincing their most pliant friends to transition into women so they can bang them? 

What The Hell Wtf GIF

I think the correct nomenclature would be femboy to really fuck with you.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Of what you said “…articulate…relative and compared to young college students…” is the only accurate part. But yes that part is kind of what I said. Search his encounters with true debaters to see the difference 

I mean I literally said that it's like crowdwork for a comedien-- complete with an imbalance of power and rhetorical and logically flourishes. That's why I said "literally".

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2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Does any of this have anything to do with getting stuck in a dryer?

Depends on the relationship with the stuckee (????) and the unstucker (????)

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Broken down simply.


Say bombastic things to become troll.
Troll evolves into edgelord when you become truly racist/homophobic/transphobic.
The trolling habits cant stay out of their everyday speech and girls aren't impressed by internet behavior and speech. Rejection leads to loneliness and porn. They check out alternative porn categories because they dont get the same high anymore.
Now they find themselves looking at exclusively interracial/cuck porn that they used to mock. Shame fills them up afterwards. That shame turns into submissiveness.
Homosexual thoughts towards the group of men they hated earlier enter the equation and buy a plug to simulate sex. They have achieved femboi.
Cat ears and leggings become their "tell." They are used by other friends who are paralyzed by rejection.

This is where the deviation comes-- do they become delusional full-fledged mentally ill trans, or become shitty progressive CR posters that can't handle other people's outlook

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On 9/15/2025 at 10:03 AM, hpslugga said:

And this actually ties back to a subject that was covered earlier: this idea that Charlie Kirk was all for open debate/discussion.

Yeah, no. Sorry. I’m here to call absolute bullshit on that one. The entire premise of his debate format was exactly in the title: “prove me wrong.”

That in itself is logically fallacious. That’s shifting the burden of proof. When I first saw him doing that shit, my first reaction was exactly what it is today: “no, motherfucker. That’s not how it works. You have to prove that you’re right and then you get to ask if we can disprove you.”

”Prove me wrong” wasn’t just some label that he used either. Just watch that video and many others like it and you’ll notice the same problem:

Charlie Kirk never met that challenge. All he ever did was bloviate his stupid and ignorant opinions to college kids. There’s no need to “prove him wrong,” there.

He failed to live up to the burden of proof to demonstrate his positions as factual/accurate/true. Every. Single. Time. For example, when he says “prowling blacks go around for fun targeting white people. That’s a fact!”

How was it a fact? Had he presented credible evidence to establish such a fact? Or was he just blowing more of his horseshit out there and packaging it as “fact,” as so many right wingers just love to do? Well it’s hard to assume the former because I actually did watch a few formats of this “engage the college kids” nonsense and he never did that. It was just drive-by internet troll horseshit.

In doing these ridiculous presentations and editing out the few actual strong rebuttals he would encounter along the way, through the miracle of social media, he was able to convince millions of rubes that he was smart. He was able to convince people that he had powerful points. He was able to convince people that because college kids couldn’t prove a negative, his general political persuasion was the right one. It was intellectual fakery to the absolute max.

So no, I will not concede the point that this piece of shit was a champion of open discourse. He infected open discourse with the intellectual equivalent of AIDS, cancer and Alzheimer’s all rolled into one.

Kinda like this ... Charlie Kirk 'debating' and 'engaging in civil political discourse'.

 

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Posted
23 minutes ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

Supposedly from the charging documents 

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Nihilistic, black pill, might as well go out with a bang, bullshit. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

No, its someone in the friend group thats convinced to give up their bussy. Usually the physically weakest person. They get used and its ok because their one of the boyz and not some bitch woman that one give them the time of day. But, they don't realize not all women like smelly, socially awkward guys that really have absolutely nothing going on in life. 

Sorry but I don't make the rules. And oh yeah, they gay bash while fucking their transmax boy. 

No man. These guys say to themselves that they have feminine features and are beta so they might as well roll with it. 

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

Nihilistic, black pill, might as well go out with a bang, bullshit. 

Exactly. And the media should be doing a better job of trying to explain there's no easy and "normal" answer for this guy as to why he did it.

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23 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:


Broken down simply.


Say bombastic things to become troll.
Troll evolves into edgelord when you become truly racist/homophobic/transphobic.
The trolling habits cant stay out of their everyday speech and girls aren't impressed by internet behavior and speech. Rejection leads to loneliness and porn. They check out alternative porn categories because they dont get the same high anymore.
Now they find themselves looking at exclusively interracial/cuck porn that they used to mock. Shame fills them up afterwards. That shame turns into submissiveness.
Homosexual thoughts towards the group of men they hated earlier enter the equation and buy a plug to simulate sex. They have achieved femboi.
Cat ears and leggings become their "tell." They are used by other friends who are paralyzed by rejection.

This is where the deviation comes-- do they become delusional full-fledged mentally ill trans, or become shitty progressive CR posters that can't handle other people's outlook

I was waiting for the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air theme song.

Posted
1 minute ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

Exactly. And the media should be doing a better job of trying to explain there's no easy and "normal" answer for this guy as to why he did it.

This is where my daughter was. Black pilled. She was always saying the world is shit and what's the point. Why even exist. Im just getting in you and mom's way. It would be better if I weren't here. Luckily we caught it early enough, but we fought it for 2 years. Also volleyball saved her too as it gave her some purpose. However, there are swarms of kids who feel like this, and here we are arguing blue or red. 

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5 minutes ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

Exactly. And the media should be doing a better job of trying to explain there's no easy and "normal" answer for this guy as to why he did it.

Here is a good video about the recent uptick in black pill killers. 

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People thinking Charlie was a good debater shows how stupid we've gotten.

Imagine a debate between Charlie and Christopher Hitchens. It'd be akin to the star player on your middle school bball team vs prime MJ.

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A lot of this stuff is reminding me of the supposed meme-ish messages left by the Uvalde shooter. IIRC there was a lot of slang used in that attack too. If we're using "blackpilled" I guess that's the name for it. 

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My dad has told me for years that the world isn't losing its collective mind and humanity isn't devolving at an alarming rate.  It's always been this crazy and awful.  It's just that now everybody has a camera in his front pocket, so it all gets documented.

I thought he had a point, up to a point, anyway.  

But the last couple of pages of this thread are a pretty outstanding counterargument.

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22 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

This is where my daughter was. Black pilled. She was always saying the world is shit and what's the point. Why even exist. Im just getting in you and mom's way. It would be better if I weren't here. Luckily we caught it early enough, but we fought it for 2 years. Also volleyball saved her too as it gave her some purpose. However, there are swarms of kids who feel like this, and here we are arguing blue or red. 

What seems to be (from outside looking in, you can tell me if I'm way off base), but it seems to be this is a teen male dominated thing (e.g. incels, groypers, gamergates, etc.) and it's not very typical for teen girls to get wrapped around the black pill dystopia chronically online axel.

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49 minutes ago, immamac said:

What a fucking idiot. 

Yeah.  "I left no evidence, except this sentence I am currently texting.  And all the other ones." 

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People thinking Charlie was a good debater shows how stupid we've gotten.
Imagine a debate between Charlie and Christopher Hitchens. It'd be akin to the star player on your middle school bball team vs prime MJ.

Kirk would be crying by the end of that debate. Hitchens has double the IQ of Kirk and Trump combined

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Posted
Just now, Mileslong said:


Kirk would be crying by the end of that debate. Hitchens has double the IQ of Kirk and Trump combined

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Are we dutifully lionizing Hitchens as an orator? Serious question because the only thing I remember about him was his writings; his book(s) and his prolific essays. I remember him being a wonderful writer and his Vanity Fair pieces, but can't say I actually remember any debates or oral vehicles. 

Granted he was firmly in pre-smart phone world I think or definitly in nascent social media/video era.



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