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1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:


The left:

Same old boring shit from boring old white men with both-sides-isms.

No fight, no strategy. Only fear, shrinking away, conceding ground to the right.

 

and this is why we need to just let it burn, all of it 🔥 

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8 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Do you have a gift link?

Sorry, somebody shared it with me via text. Had no idea there was a paywall. I don't have a Vanity Fair sub either.

(I didn't realize it was written by Ta-Nehisi Coates until copypasta.)

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Charlie Kirk, Redeemed: A Political Class Finds Its Lost Cause

By ignoring the rhetoric and actions of the Turning Point USA founder, pundits and politicians are sanitizing his legacy.

By Ta-Nehisi Coates

Before he was killed last week, Charlie Kirk left a helpful compendium of words—ones that would greatly aid those who sought to understand his legacy and import. It is somewhat difficult to match these words with the manner in which Kirk is presently being memorialized in mainstream discourse. New York Times columnist Ezra Klein dubbed Kirk “one of the era’s most effective practitioners of persuasion” and a man who “was practicing politics in exactly the right way.” California governor Gavin Newsom hailed Kirk’s “passion and commitment to debate,” advising us to continue Kirk’s work by engaging “with each other, across ideology, through spirited discourse.” Atlantic writer Sally Jenkins saluted Kirk, claiming he “argued with civility” and asserting that his death was “a significant loss for those who believe engagement can help bridge disagreements.”

The mentions of “debate” and “engagement” are references to Kirk’s campus tours, during which he visited various colleges to take on whoever come may. That this aspect of Kirk’s work would be so attractive to writers and politicians is understandable. There is, after all, a pervasive worry, among the political class, that college students, ensconced in their own bubbles, could use a bit of shock therapy from a man unconcerned with preferred pronouns, trigger warnings, and the humanity of Palestinians. But it also shows how the political class’s obsession with universities blinds it to everything else. And the everything-else of Kirk’s politics amounted to little more than a loathing of those whose mere existence provoked his ire.

It is not just, for instance, that Kirk held disagreeable views—that he was pro-life, that he believed in public executions, or that he rejected the separation of church and state. It’s that Kirk reveled in open bigotry. Indeed, claims of Kirk’s “civility” are tough to square with his penchant for demeaning members of the LGBTQ+ community as “freaks” and referring to trans people with the slur “tranny.” Faced with the prospect of a Kamala Harris presidency, Kirk told his audience that the threat had to be averted because Harris wanted to “kidnap your child via the trans agenda.” Garden-variety transphobia is sadly unremarkable. But Kirk was a master of folding seemingly discordant bigotries into each other, as when he defined “the American way of life” as marriage, home ownership, and child-rearing free of “the lesbian, gay, transgender garbage in their school,” adding that he did not want kids to “have to hear the Muslim call to prayer five times a day.” The American way of life was “Christendom,” Kirk claimed, and Islam—“the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America”—was antithetical to that. Large “dedicated” Islamic areas were “a threat to America,” Kirk asserted, and New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani was a “Mohammedan,” with Kirk supposing that anyone trying to see “Mohammedism take over the West” would love to have New York—a “prior Anglo center”—“under Mohammedan rule.”

Kirk habitually railed against “Black crime,” claiming that “prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people.” He repeated the rape accusations against Yusef Salaam, a member of the exonerated Central Park Five who is now a New York City councilman, calling him a “disgusting pig” who had gotten away with “gang rape.” Whatever distaste Kirk held for Blacks was multiplied when he turned to those from Haiti. Haiti was, by Kirk’s lights, a country “infested with demonic voodoo,” whose migrants were “raping your women and hunting you down at night.” These Haitians, as well as undocumented immigrants from other countries, were “having a field day,” per Kirk, and “coming for your daughter next.” The only hope was Donald Trump, who had to prevail, lest Haitians “become your masters.”

The point of this so-called mastery was as familiar as it was conspiratorial—“great replacement.” There was an “anti-white agenda,” Kirk howled. One that sought to “make the country more like the Third World.” The southern border was “the dumping ground of the planet,” he claimed, and a magnet for “the rapists, the thugs, the murderers, fighting-age males.” “They’re coming from across the world, from China, from Russia, from Middle Eastern countries,” he said, “and they’re coming in and they’re coming in and they’re coming in and they’re coming in…”

You can probably imagine where this line of thinking eventually went.

“Jewish donors,” Kirk claimed, were “the number one funding mechanism of radical open-border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits.” Indeed, “the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.”

Kirk’s bigotry was not personal, but extended to the institution he founded, Turning Point USA. Crystal Clanton, the group’s former national field director, once texted a fellow Turning Point employee, “I HATE BLACK PEOPLE. Like fuck them all … I hate blacks. End of story.” One of the group’s advisers, Rip McIntosh, once published a newsletter featuring an essay from a pseudonymous writer that said Blacks had “become socially incompatible with other races” and that Black culture was an “un-fixable and crime-ridden mess.” In 2022, after three Black football players were killed at another college, Meg Miller, president of Turning Point’s chapter at the University of Missouri, joked (“joked”) in a social media message, “If they would have killed 4 more n-ggers we would have had the whole week off.”

Kirk subscribed to some of the most disreputable and harmful beliefs that this country has ever known. But it is still chilling to think that those beliefs would be silenced by a gunshot. The tragedy is personal—Kirk was robbed of his life, and his children and family will forever live with the knowledge that a visual record of that robbery is just an internet search away. And the tragedy is national. Political violence ends conversation and invites war; its rejection is paramount to a functioning democracy and a free society. “Political violence is a virus,” Klein noted. This assertion is true. It is also at odds with Kirk’s own words. It’s not that Kirk merely, as Klein put it, “defended the Second Amendment”—it’s that Kirk endorsed hurting people to advance his preferred policy outcomes.

In 2022, when Kirk was frustrated, for instance, by the presence of Lia Thomas on the University of Pennsylvania women’s swim team, Kirk did not call for “spirited discourse.” Instead, while discussing a recent championship tournament, he said he would have liked to have seen a group of fathers descend from the stands, forming “a line in front of [Lia] Thomas and saying, ‘Hey, tough guy, you want to get in the pool? ’Cause you’re gonna have to come through us.” Mere weeks before his death, Kirk reveled in Trump’s deployment of federal troops to DC. “Shock and awe. Force,” he wrote. “We’re taking our country back from these cockroaches.” And in 2023, Kirk told his audience that then president Joe Biden was a “corrupt tyrant” who should be “put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.”

What are we to make of a man who called for the execution of the American president, and then was executed himself? What are we to make of an NFL that, on one hand, encourages us to “End Racism,” and, on the other, urges us to commemorate an unreconstructed white supremacist? And what of the writers, the thinkers, and the pundits who cannot separate the great crime of Kirk’s death from the malignancy of his public life? Can they truly be so ignorant to the words of a man they have so rushed to memorialize? I don’t know. But the most telling detail in Klein’s column was that, for all his praise, there was not a single word in the piece from Kirk himself.

More than a century and a half ago, this country ignored the explicit words of men who sought to raise an empire of slavery. It subsequently transformed those men into gallant knights who sought only to preserve their beloved Camelot. There was a fatigue, in certain quarters, with Reconstruction—which is to say, multiracial democracy—and a desire for reunion, to make America great again. Thus, in the late 19th century and much of the 20th, this country’s most storied intellectuals transfigured hate-mongers into heroes and ignored their words—just as, right now, some are ignoring Kirk’s.

Words are not violence, nor are they powerless. Burying the truth of the Confederacy, rewriting its aims and ideas, and ignoring its animating words allowed for the terrorization of the Black population, the imposition of apartheid, and the destruction of democracy. The rewriting and the ignoring were done not just by Confederates, but also by putative allies for whom the reduction of Black people to serfdom was the unfortunate price of white unity. The import of this history has never been clearer than in this moment when the hard question must be asked: If you would look away from the words of Charlie Kirk, from what else would you look away?

 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

If those texts are scripted, who are the most likely individuals that scripted them? I am just asking you to think this through. 

There is no other evidence anywhere of motive and they confess every step of the case. From when, how, where, and why, to even stating how his father became increasingly more MAGA. All folded up into a neat little box with a bow on it. Syntax reads totally differently than the discord text. Punctuation everywhere. Come on Ana. This isn't just being noticed on Surly. Hack around for a bit. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, CowboyFred said:

So the dude writes in meme speak on the bullets and discord but in messages to a lover he turns into Ulysses S. Grant? 🤔

 

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Camp near the Rappahannock River
March 12th, 1863

My Dearest Sarah,

I take pen in hand this evening by the dim light of our campfire, hoping these few lines may find you and the children in good health. My thoughts are ever with you, and though the hardships of soldiering weigh heavily upon me, it is the memory of your kind smile and gentle voice that sustains me through the long marches and restless nights.

 

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

I’m not ready to go full conspiracy theory but goddamn that does read fake as fuck. If they plea him out to avoid the death penalty and no trial occurs to test the evidence they’re putting out there, and if the narrative is all from the FBI and Utah officials, it’s going to be suspicious af. 

 

2 hours ago, C-Man said:

When you have an administration and movement that shoots out an unprecedented amount of absolute bullshit 24/7, you'll pardon us when we don't immediately take something that looks fishy AF at face value.

 

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Kash basically openly stated he wanted to fabricate a manifesto. I just don’t think that’s what these texts are.

some of you are acting like lunatics over the curated text stuff but it did give me this thought...

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4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

There is no other evidence anywhere of motive and they confess every step of the case. From when, how, where, and why, to even stating how his father became increasingly more MAGA. All folded up into a neat little box with a bow on it. Syntax reads totally differently than the discord text. Punctuation everywhere. Come on Ana. This isn't just being noticed on Surly. Hack around for a bit. 

I know, there are a variety of lunatics on social media running with the same thing. 

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It seems possible that Robinson is code switching when having text conversations with his partner. Maybe his partner prefers more formal communication than his Discord friends. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

200k views.  At least half of those will believe this without any questions.

This is why this country is fucked.

Dems have been screaming forever that the right lives off the Big Lie. To some extent that was true in the before times, but we've seen for a decade that this is unquestionably true now. We've seen that truth is no defense, that more speech is not the antidote, and sunlight is clearly not an effective disinfectant.

So what is the left doing about it? Fuck all.

The only path here was (it's over, everyone needs to internalize that) to be better than them at the same game. Flood the zone with bigger fucking lies. Do it about every asshole who puts an (R) next their name or writes or says anything positive about someone with an (R) next to their name. Scortch the earth with lies so outrageous that Fox News has to take significant time away from spreading their lies to addressing the left's. Now they control every lever of power, and can weaponize government, even that pathway is closed.

Speech is dangerous now. It has started with taking livelihoods because you've dared defy the state's preferred ideas. Soon it'll be freedom. Then lives.

I hope @troph is OK. 

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3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It seems possible that Robinson is code switching when having text conversations with his partner. Maybe his partner prefers more formal communication than his Discord friends. 

 

His partner is one of his discord friends, right?  The one that did the trans maxing?

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19 hours ago, Homesickhorn said:


A furry shows. And therefore is a ‘shower’. I believe a gryoper grows. And therefore, is a ‘grower’.

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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

His partner is one of his discord friends, right?  The one that did the trans maxing?

Even so, does that not mean they can communicate differently if they're "in love" vs. just being friends? 

I completely get the distrust of law enforcement and FBI under Trump's rule. But two people in a relationship having a different form of text communication compared to their friends doesn't seem crazy to me. 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Da Fino said:

‘I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I’m going to take it.’

"And I'm going to get away with it too, so long as they don't put Kash "Money" Patel on the case- sharp as tack, ice in his veins, eagle eye stare, always bringing the pain. Hopefully they put that Lego head Bongo on the case. They gave him babysitter."

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8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

It seems possible that Robinson is code switching when having text conversations with his partner. Maybe his partner prefers more formal communication than his Discord friends. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, safe sex said:

That does not seem possible to me given the partner's supposed identity. 

Yeah, the roommate was a furry. Thus all the pics with animal headgear. They also are in discords. Their tiktok and socials are still up. I sincerely doubt that's how they talk to one another. 

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If that exchange was scripted (I don't think that it is, but I acknowledge that it reads weird as fuck), who are the most likely individual(s) that scripted it?

 

This seems pretty obvious y'all. 

Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Even so, does that not mean they can communicate differently if they're "in love" vs. just being friends? 

I completely get the distrust of law enforcement and FBI under Trump's rule. But two people in a relationship having a different form of text communication compared to their friends doesn't seem crazy to me. 

 

It's not even that for me Hank. It's the capitalization and use of punctuation changes too. Also, I get the full sentences and such but the language is something that my grand mother, who would be 98, would use. Predating even s olds, which is why it's so funny. It's making it's rounds around social media too, and the comments are comedy gold. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

If that exchange was scripted (I don't think that it is, but I acknowledge that it reads weird as fuck), who are the most likely individual(s) that scripted it?

 

This seems pretty obvious y'all. 

You know, I see why people put you on ignore. Just say what you fucking mean Ana god-damn!!

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Just now, Thatguy said:

You know, I see why people put you on ignore. Just say what you fucking mean Ana god-damn!!

I am asking you (or anyone else who cares to opine) a question.

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44 minutes ago, Cousin Strawberry said:

Yes, my love.  I fright that if I don't retrieve my instrument of conflict post haste, I may be discovered.  I left a missive explaining my plan under the rear, left foot of the davenport.


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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

No, you are trying to lead us to something instead of just stating your own opinion, so you can later deny it if it turns out to go against you. Just say what you mean. Stand ten toes down on something for once on here Ana. It's okay to be wrong. I am wrong all the time. 

He never will lol

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Posted
16 hours ago, SpiralOut said:

By the way, here is a response from the MAGA faithful over Kirk's death.  Remember, it's the crazy evil leftists that are constantly pushing hate, division, and wanting to kill everyone they don't agree with!

 

Redneck Shannon Hoon kinda sucks.

Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If that exchange was scripted (I don't think that it is, but I acknowledge that it reads weird as fuck), who are the most likely individual(s) that scripted it?

 

This seems pretty obvious y'all. 

Most likely? Patel and members of our government that want to pin this on someone from the opposing party to justify certain actions they plan to take or stay with their narrative about the “violent left.”
 

Is that the answer you wanted?

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Posted
1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Wait, wtf? If the roommate said that the note existed and he saw it and threw it away that's evidence but not "forensic" evidence. This whole thing is fucky.

Images of the "forensic recreation" of the note have been leaked 

 

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3 minutes ago, CowboyFred said:

Most likely? Patel and members of our government that want to pin this on someone from the opposing party to justify certain actions they plan to take or stay with their narrative about the “violent left.”
 

Is that the answer you wanted?

I don't want an answer, other than what you want to answer. 

Kash scripted the text exchange identifies literally the least likely individual involved here, but it is helpful to me in terms of understanding what kind of a lunatic you are. 

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14 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

No, you are trying to lead us to something instead of just stating your own opinion, so you can later deny it if it turns out to go against you. Just say what you mean. Stand ten toes down on something for once on here Ana. It's okay to be wrong. I am wrong all the time. 

I am not trying to lead you anywhere other than trying to get you to engage a small bit of reason and common sense. It's ok if you are unwilling to do that. It's certainly not the first time that a poster here got frustrated by that and chose to use the ignore function. 

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24 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Even so, does that not mean they can communicate differently if they're "in love" vs. just being friends? 

I completely get the distrust of law enforcement and FBI under Trump's rule. But two people in a relationship having a different form of text communication compared to their friends doesn't seem crazy to me. 

 

Dearest Henry,

Your eloquent prose has so moved me that I shall redouble my efforts to reason cognitively prior to supplementing our shared online place of debate with novel content for consumption. 
 

Always your faithful servant,

P. d Muerto

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14 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Jesus, notorious hater of Jews

Jesus was really into hate in general. Especially profiting off of it.

I cannot imagine how offended I would be by that statement if I was a christian. And yet...

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Ana, do you believe that the Epstein jail footage released by this fbi is legitimate and accurate? 

 

I don't think these texts were fabricated, but I don't know how you can believe anything this admin puts out particularly when the director of the fbi, the ag, and the president for the last few days have all been saying this is the work of a vast trans terrorist network. 

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1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

further proof that Montgomery county sucks ...

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Gonna be a real barn burner to see which group of sycophants can get their CK statue up first...

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I can’t help myself sometimes but I turn over to clay Travis during lunch run to keep a finger on the outrage pulse… even these chucklefucks are calling the text msgs out as being totally off base 

Posted
13 minutes ago, seven said:

Ana, do you believe that the Epstein jail footage released by this fbi is legitimate and accurate? 

 

I don't think these texts were fabricated, but I don't know how you can believe anything this admin puts out particularly when the director of the fbi, the ag, and the president for the last few days have all been saying this is the work of a vast trans terrorist network. 

I think that it has been demonstrated that there were clips of time missing from the footage. 

Posted
Just now, Anastasis said:

I think that it has been demonstrated that there were clips of time missing from the footage. 

Probably just an accident 

Posted
1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

If those texts are scripted, who are the most likely individuals that scripted them? I am just asking you to think this through. 

how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi.

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12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Why would anyone, including Ana, believe anything this administration says?

I think that we are commenting on the Utah county prosecutor reading the charging document, including the texts, and evidence that was collected by Utah law enforcement, but it seems like maybe you are talking about something else. 

Here is the charging document.  Y'all try to stop being lunatics. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/16/us/tyler-robinson-charges.html 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

I think that we are commenting on the Utah county prosecutor reading the charging document, including the texts, and evidence that was collected by Utah law enforcement, but it seems like maybe you are talking about something else. 

Here is the charging document.  Y'all try to stop being lunatics. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/16/us/tyler-robinson-charges.html 

Like I said, I doubt these are fabricated, the number one reason being it directly refutes the line the fbi, ag, and president have been hammering. 

But are you unable to admit it's a strange and incredibly convenient record for law enforcement? 

Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, seven said:

Like I said, I doubt these are fabricated, the number one reason being it directly refutes the line the fbi, ag, and president have been hammering. 

But are you unable to admit it's a strange and incredibly convenient record for law enforcement? 

I already said that the whole exchange reads weird. It is extremely unlikely that it is a fabrication by law enforcement. If it reads scripted, it might very well be scripted. So who is the most likely individual(s) to have scripted it.  So far with have 1 response for Ka$h. You have an opinion? If you cannot identify an individual by name, I would take general descriptions of individuals (e.g. one of the Utah police detectives that was interviewing the furry). 

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I already said that the whole exchange reads weird. It is extremely unlikely that it is a fabrication by law enforcement. If it reads scripted, it might very well be scripted. So who is the most likely individual(s) to have scripted it.  So far with have 1 response for Ka$h. You have an opinion? If you cannot identify an individual by name, I would take general descriptions of individuals (e.g. one of the Utah police detectives that was interviewing the furry). 

"it might be scripted"? Ana, don't tell me you're participating in LUNACY?!?! 

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Seems like pretty simple discovery to verify the authenticity and timestamp of the texts from the, I assume, phone carrier. 
 

the “destroyed but recreated” confession letter, no clue how to authenticate that but I guess I’d expect an expert witness to walk the courtroom through it and if it’s questionable, the defense will have an opportunity to question. 

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