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1 hour ago, BlackCat said:

I keep seeing these incredulous comments from the talking heads like Herbstreit where their voice gets high and they shake their head and say "where do these schools think all these great head coaches are going to come from???". 

It's not the schools, its not the ADs. The reason the carousel is crazier than ever is because the $$$ controls the programs now. The guard rails are off. The donors no longer have enhanced access and influence over the programs. They ARE the programs. Their $$$ is the oxygen the programs use to even breathe. You cant field a competitive team without them. And if they want a new coach, they just make the phone call. There's no such thing as telling them no. If they pull their money, your program implodes and you can't even put together a competitive roster anymore. 

Will they invest or not? Thats the only question that matters anymore. 

 

And all the incentives here are for bad decisions: these donors have no skin in the game beyond the satisfaction of a winning team. Once your NIL or buyout contribution is gone— it’s gone. You’re not making it back. You only get “paid” if you see the team in the CFP. 
 

The risk is all on the institution for the future. If you decide you’re done paying for buyouts when the coach you demanded falls flat— you can just walk away clean. The next buyout is someone else’s problem.

I do think this all comes crashing down. Big Beanie Baby vibes. All that has to happen is for people to decide “a football trophy doesn’t really matter that much.” We haven’t seen a real bear market since NIL came along. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

No, but the federal highway money the state receives each year does

You think they would skip out on new bridge construction if they had a chance at getting Saban?

 

 

See, this is where you lost me. I've been to that shit hole state many times, so what is it that they do with the money, because it sure as shit isn't going towards their highways. Nowhere, and I mean absolutely nowhere, including Mississippi and the poorest parts of New Mexico, have worse roads than all of Louisiana. Like, not even close. I mean, holy mother of God, how can an entire state's highways and roads be that broken and still call itself part of the developed world? 

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Hawndoh said:

Judging by the state of Louisiana highways that federal highway money was grifted somewhere else long ago.

They need a new source of federal money to steal for the next coach 

It's like their toll roads have a data breach and the ransom was paid in potholes. 

Posted
11 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Franklin to Virginia Tech is the latest word.

Not sure if true or if this is a reputable site.

 

Neither true nor credible. Doesn't mean it won't happen though. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

Neither true nor credible. Doesn't mean it won't happen though. 

I think he’ll end up at one of the Florida jobs.

3 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

Ah yes - definitely reputable...

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That’s what I was thinking since there was no other news about it. 

Posted
28 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

And all the incentives here are for bad decisions: these donors have no skin in the game beyond the satisfaction of a winning team. Once your NIL or buyout contribution is gone— it’s gone. You’re not making it back. You only get “paid” if you see the team in the CFP. 
 

The risk is all on the institution for the future. If you decide you’re done paying for buyouts when the coach you demanded falls flat— you can just walk away clean. The next buyout is someone else’s problem.

I do think this all comes crashing down. Big Beanie Baby vibes. All that has to happen is for people to decide “a football trophy doesn’t really matter that much.” We haven’t seen a real bear market since NIL came along. 

You have to be able to refresh your kingmakers. Very few programs can do that. In fact, I've heard the topic discussed that people like the chicken tender dude at LSU are weary of being the NIL hero, because while you will reap all the benefits on the front end, if your involvement yields a bad hire and you decide you want to stop lighting millions of dollars on fire, the psycho fanbase could turn against you. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, BlackCat said:

In fact, I've heard the topic discussed that people like the chicken tender dude at LSU are weary of being the NIL hero

Also, Raising Cane's is pure ass, so that company is probably not long for this world.

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Posted
1 hour ago, irishtexan said:

Neither true nor credible. Doesn't mean it won't happen though. 

Here's the thing on Franklin and VT - 

If it was a sure thing, it would happen again.  The more jobs that open up, the more likely he is open to other offers.

VT had their chance to lock him up before a bunch of other P4 schools opened up. 

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18 minutes ago, ButtFumble said:

maybe this year we finally get a coaching incident like mens bb where a coach gets hired at one place and then a week later ditches them and goes elsewhere.....that would be really fun 

wait no...different situation

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55 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Here's the thing on Franklin and VT - 

If it was a sure thing, it would happen again.  The more jobs that open up, the more likely he is open to other offers.

VT had their chance to lock him up before a bunch of other P4 schools opened up. 

probably likely. franklin has the luxury of time on his side. wait for norvell or belichik to get the boot. maybe even take over for fickell at wiscy , outside chance at MSU depending on how much he wants to try and put a dagger into penn state 

17 minutes ago, ButtFumble said:

maybe this year we finally get a coaching incident like mens bb where a coach gets hired at one place and then a week later ditches them and goes elsewhere.....that would be really fun 

Manny Diaz was the DC at Miami, left to be HC at Temple. Richt decides to hang it up and retire, and Manny went back to Miami as HC. Undefeated 2 week tenure for the ages. 

 

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3 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

probably likely. franklin has the luxury of time on his side. wait for norvell or belichik to get the boot. maybe even take over for fickell at wiscy , outside chance at MSU depending on how much he wants to try and put a dagger into penn state 

Manny Diaz was the DC at Miami, left to be HC at Temple. Richt decides to hang it up and retire, and Manny went back to Miami as HC. Undefeated 2 week tenure for the ages. 

 

thanks for the reminder I thought it had happened before, but I could not remember when......probably because it was Manny 

Posted
5 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

probably likely. franklin has the luxury of time on his side. wait for norvell or belichik to get the boot. maybe even take over for fickell at wiscy , outside chance at MSU depending on how much he wants to try and put a dagger into penn state 

Manny Diaz was the DC at Miami, left to be HC at Temple. Richt decides to hang it up and retire, and Manny went back to Miami as HC. Undefeated 2 week tenure for the ages. 

 

Definitely agree on your broader context of Franklin waiting for the right job. There is a crossover of running late for NIL portal starting Jan 2nd. Just spit-balling I'd say after Thanksgiving is that point with a note of the earlier the better to assess current talent and team needs prior to pushing for potential portal options "recruitment" if you will. 

I don't know enough about NIL money to speak intelligently but my instinct is between VT, Sparty and UNC, I'd guess North Carolina. Then again, they just got burned by that shitty experiment and the Sugar Daddy and his boss are still coaching.

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23 minutes ago, texifornia said:

 

That’s it. I’m out on Moscona. He thought the McNeese State AD would get the job and Ausberry didn’t want the job. 
 

Jesus. The guy has taken some L’s recently. He very publicly went in on Landry after the Woodward firing, so I’d imagine he’s completely cut out of the LSU inner circle. 

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Posted
5 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

It's like their toll roads have a data breach and the ransom was paid in potholes. 

I’ve said for years that a bullet proof business plan would be to open a front-end alignment shop just west of the Sabine on the I-10 west frontage road. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

I’ve said for years that a bullet proof business plan would be to open a front-end alignment shop just west of the Sabine on the I-10 west frontage road. 

That's...actually pretty genius. Dude, that place would be printing money. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

I’m, like, real smart and stuff. 

At first I was like, this guy post on Surly, he's clearly a moron, but now I'm convinced you can actually think, and you're not a lawyer, so your neurons are firing as they should, and not lacking cognitive delays. 

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Posted
8 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I never say never, but the first question I always ask myself in these types of things is Why. Why would he. 

If someone can provide a good answer to that question that isn't "money" because while all HCs like money, that was never Saban’s only motivation. As such, I can't come up with any good reason. 

Saban's not coming out of retirement because he doesn't want to play a game where everyone can buy players.

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Posted
22 hours ago, BlackCat said:

I keep seeing these incredulous comments from the talking heads like Herbstreit where their voice gets high and they shake their head and say "where do these schools think all these great head coaches are going to come from???". 

It's not the schools, its not the ADs. The reason the carousel is crazier than ever is because the $$$ controls the programs now. The guard rails are off. The donors no longer have enhanced access and influence over the programs. They ARE the programs. Their $$$ is the oxygen the programs use to even breathe. You cant field a competitive team without them. And if they want a new coach, they just make the phone call. There's no such thing as telling them no. If they pull their money, your program implodes and you can't even put together a competitive roster anymore. 

Will they invest or not? Thats the only question that matters anymore. 

 

I suspect the big money boys are like short-sighted fans calling for getting rid of a coach just assuming they can get somebody who will have huge success. That's the Aggies. They dump Jimbo and start approaching NFL coaches and top coaches in CFB as William tells the TexAggies that these are real possibilities. Nope.

I've compared it to political polls where the public is asked would you vote for the sitting or a candidate from the opposing party. It always leans to the opposing party (or used to). Everybody taking the poll is imagining their perfect candidate. 

The fun would be if there's fresh blood for reasonable (comparatively) money. 

I'm uncomfortable about the morality of tying up 100s of millions of dollars on a bet about a coach's success. But the market decides.

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This is all going to collapse under its own weight. Too many schools are going to get swamped by this never ending quest for more, more, more money. Too many idiots running the schools. Too many people playing so horribly with other people’s money.

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Posted
15 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

This is all going to collapse under its own weight. Too many schools are going to get swamped by this never ending quest for more, more, more money. Too many idiots running the schools. Too many people playing so horribly with other people’s money.

Everyone sees what happened at Indiana and thinks they can just throw money at the problem and be a top 5 team overnight, ignoring the mountain of failed coaching hires. With how quickly that team changed, ignoring how soft their schedule was last year and they lost the only two games they played, people won’t have patience for anything less than immediate success. If our coach can’t get us to the national championship, we can just hire the next Cignetti and buy him a fresh team. 

Penn state is more likely to end up with a coach that they fire in 4 years than one that will win them a national championship.

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This part of the carousel is entirely too quiet except for the daily unforced buffoonery out of Baton Rouge. 

I feel like Auburn is too quiet to be disorganized this time around which is a damn shame, i was really hoping to see Deion make his way over there 

Penn State is similarly tight lipped 

Franklin appears to have a massive offer from VTech prepared, but isn't / hasn't signed - probably waiting for a bigger program 

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12 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

Franklin appears to have a massive offer from VTech prepared, but isn't / hasn't signed - probably waiting for a bigger program 

Franklin is in high demand so he is being choosey. That perfectly sums up the shitshow of this Coaching Transfer Portal season.

 

Posted
25 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Franklin is in high demand so he is being choosey. That perfectly sums up the shitshow of this Coaching Transfer Portal season.

 

Franklin is a good coach, he is just not a top 5 coach. An Auburn, Va Tech, Ok State, Florida State, etc would kill to have that guy. 

Posted
16 hours ago, texifornia said:

 

 

On 10/31/2025 at 7:15 PM, Beau Vine said:

I for one am shocked SHOCKED! that an institution like LSU is run by bumbling chucklefucks. 

bump.

Posted
20 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Franklin is a good coach, he is just not a top 5 coach. An Auburn, Va Tech, Ok State, Florida State, etc would kill to have that guy. 

Here's the irony. After years of not being able to beat top ranked teams and winning no hardware, they are going to fire him for...not being able to beat top ranked teams and not winning any hardware.

Posted
49 minutes ago, General Specific said:

So when does the portal open for the teams that fired their corch? When the corch is fired, or when the new corch signs the contract? Or some other date?

Follow up, how long is that window open?

A 30 day window opens after the firing but they can also enter the portal during the regular period. We had some guys enter the portal after Gundy was fired but are still playing. I guess the advantage is to put yourself on the radar of other teams to see if they want to make you an offer after the season. Still can’t transfer mid semester as far as I know.

Posted
2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

A 30 day window opens after the firing but they can also enter the portal during the regular period. We had some guys enter the portal after Gundy was fired but are still playing. I guess the advantage is to put yourself on the radar of other teams to see if they want to make you an offer after the season. Still can’t transfer mid semester as far as I know.

They changed that rule midway this season (probably due to all the crazy early and midseason firings).  OSU was grandfathered, so your players got to portal immediately afterwards whereas other schools the players have to wait until the regular portal window opens.

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1 minute ago, Uncle Nate said:

They changed that rule midway this season (probably due to all the crazy early and midseason firings).  OSU was grandfathered, so your players got to portal immediately afterwards whereas other schools the players have to wait until the regular portal window opens.

I did not know that, just looked it up and you're right. Players can still opt out I assume and preserve a redshirt if they have it available. Gundy was fired after game 3 so anyone who played in those games could sit out and preserve the redshirt (again if they had it available). 

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Not high on many peeps radar but Justin Wilcox is all but done at Cal.  Negotiated buyout discussions underway behind the scenes.  Might be announced as soon as after the Louisville game this weekend.  Definitely no later than after the last game against SMU.

 

The money at Cal wants Tosh Lupoi and supposedly there is reciprocal interest.  We'll see.

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Posted
13 minutes ago, South Austin said:

What a world that Cal decides to fire its coach in the middle of the season with a 5-4 record.  I mean, c'mon, it's Cal.

The team sucks and it was the easiest schedule in at least 50 years.  Plus, the chances they finish better than 6-6 are remote.  Wilcox needed an 8-4 with that shit schedule to stay alive.  

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I don't understand why anyone with any true aspirations for winning would hire James Franklin. I mean, it's James Franklin. He isn't just going to get better at coaching because "different school". If he's cool with coaching at a school who doesn't ever really see themselves as being truly competitive, VT would be a good spot for him. But he thinks more highly of himself than his hardware suggest. Even at a school like Penn State, where they're located in a hotbed for recruiting they hovered around #15 each year, and even #19-#22. That's failure, and I'm being kind. 

I'm not saying Penn State is some paragon of champions, but they have won a NC when most of y'all were alive, and they have won -

2006: Orange Bowl

2019: Cotton Bowl 

2022: Fiesta Bowl 

2023: Peach Bowl

So isuffice to say their recruiting should be top 10 on location and football fandom with their recruiting being in-state, neighbors with NJ, Ohio, the DC metro area, near Michigan. It's not like they're Rutgers, Temple, or even Syracuse. With the CFP expanding to 12 teams, If both the SEC/B1G get 4 teams each in, it should be Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana (now, I guess?), Michigan and/or Penn State yearly, with Notre Dame being the only independent. 

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If I am James Franklin and I wanted to be a real motherfucker, I would sign on to coach at the next university for minimum wage due to the offset language in the Penn State contract. Then I would go to my new school and say "Use my coaching salary as an NIL warchest". You would turn some shit around super quickly and hamstring Penn State in the process. 

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