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[Gatorubet 29396]

6 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

You sheep believe every bullshit story the Ukrainian military tells you. If the battery was not broken, there would be no reason to fix it. Duh!  

Everybody knows that Russia hasn’t even tried yet - and when this guy and his life-taker and heart-breaker buddies finally show up, it will be like taking Berlin in 1945.

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[SydneyCarton 47094]

4 hours ago, Mullet Free said:

I believe on that post besides the Patriot damage, I referenced the Western Ukrainian ammo depot strike being blown off as a nothingburger, old shells. We won’t ever know that answer. Also referenced Bakhmut falling and the rationalization here being that now the Ukrainians can collapse on the flanks. TBD there. 
 

So, this was in Politico this morning. 
 

This is interesting coming a couple days after Zelensky said counteroffensive was being delayed until they acquired more weapons.

 

“It’s a scenario that may prove the most realistic long-term outcome given that neither Kyiv nor Moscow appear inclined to ever admit defeat. It’s also becoming increasingly likely amid the growing sense within the administration that an upcoming Ukrainian counteroffensive won’t deal a mortal blow to Russia.”

They say they’re planning for all contingencies but it’s pretty clear that you write this story to float the idea out there. Especially to the hardcore supporters. The beginning of letting them down easy?
 

No one is winning.  A stalemate, as I said earlier. 

If you think about it, not the worst outcome considering where we stand. Ukraine is allowed to regroup and rearm. Russia gets a portion of Ukraine that they’ve blown to bits anyway. Woohoo. Then you let the sanctions work as Russia is an international pariah. In a year or two their economy and industrial capacity is wrecked They’re basically a bigger North Korea. Putin can sell as a win. We back away from possible nuclear conflict. Things settle down. Anyway, flame away. 

Took you a whole day to return to the thread you chose to Peace Out from, and a day and a half to return exactly to the company line. Tell us more how “increasingly likely” Ukraine can’t strike a mortal blow to Russia. Same shit, 24 hours later. It takes a really low IQ to be this oblivious. 
 

4 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

You forgot the part where Russia is allowed to regroup and rearm. You also forgot the part where Russia repeatedly says it will not stop until it re-claims the rest of Ukraine and the Baltics.  And you somehow think that the threat of nuclear war is reduced, when Russia threatens nuclear war for every slight against its aggressive attempts to recolonize former Soviet countries.  

You are also trying to sell the concept that the world will still support the same level of sanctions when there is no war against Ukraine - with Ukraine, accepting the new territorial borders.

You do not want Ukraine to win because your team, Team Trump and Team Tucker, are pro-Russia. Everything else you say is just Russian talking points and bullshit obfuscation.

Not to forget Russia would be securing warm water ports and natural resources. Ukraine shouldn’t care about that shit right?

Edited May 19, 2023 by SydneyCarton

[MissingInAction 24262]

Duct tape? The Russians will be marching through Warsaw next Tuesday.

Yes I said it. On BIRD DAY!

Edited May 19, 2023 by MissingInAction
Mullet Free eats paint chips soaked in mercury

[CoachTex 2612]

36 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

See I told you. The Ukrainians are only holding it together with duct tape. Talk about hanging by a thread. Russia will be in Kiev tomorrow.  Well that would be Friday, Probably not Friday because then they would have to work over the weekend and no one wants to do that so maybe Monday.

[SydneyCarton 47094]

2 hours ago, Mullet Free said:

No I said maybe Putin could sell it as a win. 
 

The talking points from a Politico article?

This is a tortured, nonsensical analogy. 
 

Pretty sure I’ve never cited a Zero Hedge piece because it’s a Russian media outlet. I’ve shared their tweets with straight economic data and no editorializing just to trigger people like yourself. 

Thanks for admitting you’ve been trolling the entire time. I guess that’s better than you being a true believer. Although I’m still not convinced you aren't. 

[The Dog 42745]

[Gatorubet 29396]

12 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Thanks for admitting you’ve been trolling the entire time. I guess that’s better than you being a true believer. Although I’m still not convinced you aren't. 

Our boy already did. 

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I’ve shared their tweets with straight economic data and no editorializing just to trigger people like yourself. 

 

[SydneyCarton 47094]

2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Our boy already did. 

 

I mean that is what I was referencing. “I’m it stupid, I’m just a disingenuous prick” is certainly an explanation… 

[HOOKEM4 4871]

3 hours ago, Mullet Free said:

No I said maybe Putin could sell it as a win. 
 

The talking points from a Politico article?

This is a tortured, nonsensical analogy. 
 

Pretty sure I’ve never cited a Zero Hedge piece because it’s a Russian media outlet. I’ve shared their tweets with straight economic data and no editorializing just to trigger people like yourself. 

Goddamn you are a dumb son of a bitch. Post less.

[Mullet Free 40]

26 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Took you a whole day to return to the thread you chose to Peace Out from, and a day and a half to return exactly to the company line. Tell us more how “increasingly likely” Ukraine can’t strike a mortal blow to Russia. Same shit, 24 hours later. It takes a really low IQ to be this oblivious. 

I was called out for being wrong on a point and I acknowledged it. That’s why I posted.

 

Then I shared a MSM post that cited government sources that is warning that Ukraine can’t “strike a mortal blow”. 
 
That’s it. 

[Hefeweizen 5210]

And admitted to being a troll.  You are one weird dude.  Or group of dudes.

[Neonmoon 38126]

6 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

Goddamn you are a dumb son of a bitch. Post less.

We’ve banned him 6 times. He just keeps coming back. 

[Schulz2.0 28616]

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Shouldn't she be focusing on setting up her "mail order Russian bride available" page?  She's going to need it.

She already has the headshot picture.

[CoachTex 2612]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

We’ve banned him 6 times. He just keeps coming back. 

Carl is that you? Oh wait wrong board

[Mullet Free 40]

7 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

And admitted to being a troll.  You are one weird dude.  Or group of dudes.

It’s funny to me that y’all get worked up about one website even if I’m posting straight news from it. That’s it. ✌🏻 

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[PTINS 3412]

14 hours ago, statsman said:

 I’m told the US has a lot of Hawks (less capable than PAC) sitting around, aging. We need to get them to Ukraine. 

This is from ~ 1960, Clark AFB in the Philippines. Me in the red hat.

That Hawk looks good to go; good thing they made 'em before they started using expiration dates. 🙂

[The Dog 42745]

8 minutes ago, Mullet Free said:

It’s funny to me that y’all get worked up about one website even if I’m posting straight news from it. That’s it. ✌🏻 

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4 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Every time I see one of those commercials for buying gold, I can't help myself but think of I'm Gonna Get You Sucka.  

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29 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

She already has the headshot picture.

Pretty conservative for onlyfans

[statsman 5352]

25 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Honestly, Putin was a lot less damaging when he was just trying to rob the system and grab a bunch of money. It was when he started thinking about legacy that he really became the menace he is. 

[PTINS 3412]

8 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

I gotta say, I just really don't understand the push for F-16s.  Please explain it to me.  ... But it doesn't seem to fill a niche that they need right now and it seems super resource intensive.  In other words, they get get a bigger bang for their buck out of other systems.  It's a head scratcher to me. Unless they want to reach out and touch some Bears out over the sea.  

"Secretary of State Sidney Owens: We've come up with another alternative.
Becker: We'll counterforce. A conventional attack on the Russian air base where the carrier attack originated.
Secretary of State Sidney Owens: It's what we're looking for. A measured respones.
Admiral Pollack: Non-nuclear.
President Robert Fowler: Is it strong enough?
Admiral Pollack: Smart bombs and F-16s. Pretty God damn strong."

Perhaps you answered your own question, to "reach out and touch" something.

 

 

[Hefeweizen 5210]

34 minutes ago, Mullet Free said:

It’s funny to me that y’all get worked up about one website even if I’m posting straight news from it. That’s it. ✌🏻 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11486]

3 minutes ago, statsman said:

Honestly, Putin was a lot less damaging when he was just trying to rob the system and grab a bunch of money. It was when he started thinking about legacy that he really became the menace he is. 

I believe Clinton when he says he knew from the second he met Putin he knew he was a piece of shit.

[BamaATL 15734]

2 minutes ago, statsman said:

Honestly, Putin was a lot less damaging when he was just trying to rob the system and grab a bunch of money. It was when he started thinking about legacy that he really became the menace he is. 

I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou.  

This is who Putin is, this is who he has always been.  

[PTINS 3412]

9 hours ago, Parliament said:

Every Surly man who is truly honest with what he is -> "Would"

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11486]

6 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou. 

Your comment made me pull this scene up and watch it. Margie has the US flag on her right arm flying where it looks “normal.” Shouldn’t it be the other way — blue field top right?  Or is that just a military thing?

 

[Pato del Muerto 51914]

24 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

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59 minutes ago, PTINS said:

This is from ~ 1960, Clark AFB in the Philippines. Me in the red hat.

That Hawk looks good to go; good thing they made 'em before they started using expiration dates. 🙂

I realize some people get upset when the thread veers off in any way, but if you're so inclined I'd love to hear the story of how that photo came to be. 

[statsman 5352]

34 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou.  

This is who Putin is, this is who he has always been.  

I don’t want to sidetrack the thread, so I’ll drop it after this explanation. 
 
All dictators suck. A dictator that is just trying to enrich himself will steal from you, rough you up, maybe even kill you, but…only if it gets him more money. 
 
A dictator trying to change the system, establish legacy, address generational grievances- that’s the guy who will start wars and get millions killed. Putin always sucked, always disregarded rights and liberties, always murdered with impunity. Now, though, he’s trying for a place in the history books and is wrecking two countries. 
 
It’s like Cambodia in the mid ‘70s. The US backed predecessors to Pol Pot were crooks and authoritarians. Pol Pot was a Marxist crusader focused on social transformation. Who was worse?

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4 minutes ago, statsman said:

I don’t want to sidetrack the thread, so I’ll drop it after this explanation. 
 
All dictators suck. A dictator that is just trying to enrich himself will steal from you, rough you up, maybe even kill you, but…only if it gets him more money. 
 
A dictator trying to change the system, establish legacy, address generational grievances- that’s the guy who will start wars and get millions killed. Putin always sucked, always disregarded rights and liberties, always murdered with impunity. Now, though, he’s trying for a place in the history books and is wrecking two countries. 
 
It’s like Cambodia in the mid ‘70s. The US backed predecessors to Pol Pot were crooks and authoritarians. Pol Pot was a Marxist crusader focused on social transformation. Who was worse?

And now I'm listening to holiday in Cambodia 

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7 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

And now I'm listening to holiday in Cambodia 

My man.

[ABSR 5266]

20 minutes ago, statsman said:

I don’t want to sidetrack the thread, so I’ll drop it after this explanation. 
 
All dictators suck. A dictator that is just trying to enrich himself will steal from you, rough you up, maybe even kill you, but…only if it gets him more money. 
 
A dictator trying to change the system, establish legacy, address generational grievances- that’s the guy who will start wars and get millions killed. Putin always sucked, always disregarded rights and liberties, always murdered with impunity. Now, though, he’s trying for a place in the history books and is wrecking two countries. 
 
It’s like Cambodia in the mid ‘70s. The US backed predecessors to Pol Pot were crooks and authoritarians. Pol Pot was a Marxist crusader focused on social transformation. Who was worse?

I think what you are missing is that Ukraine is not the first legacy building war Putin engaged in.  He has been doing this since he got in power.  This is just bigger, we notice it more and we are engaging to try and stop it.

[Rimbo 25212]

11 minutes ago, ABSR said:

I think what you are missing is that Ukraine is not the first legacy building war Putin engaged in.  He has been doing this since he got in power.  This is just bigger, we notice it more and we are engaging to try and stop it.

Only because Ukraine hit back, and unexpectedly knocked the supposed champ to the mat in the first five seconds of the bout. Even then, it took a long time for us to do the right thing. Still not sure we're doing enough.

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[MagicSoccerSpray 1725]

4 hours ago, statsman said:

I don’t want to sidetrack the thread, so I’ll drop it after this explanation. 
 
All dictators suck. A dictator that is just trying to enrich himself will steal from you, rough you up, maybe even kill you, but…only if it gets him more money. 
 
A dictator trying to change the system, establish legacy, address generational grievances- that’s the guy who will start wars and get millions killed. Putin always sucked, always disregarded rights and liberties, always murdered with impunity. Now, though, he’s trying for a place in the history books and is wrecking two countries. 
 
It’s like Cambodia in the mid ‘70s. The US backed predecessors to Pol Pot were crooks and authoritarians. Pol Pot was a Marxist crusader focused on social transformation. Who was worse?

 

Seriously? The fucking marxist. Killing fields much?

[DallasGatr 216]

I don’t want to sidetrack the thread, so I’ll drop it after this explanation. 
 
All dictators suck. A dictator that is just trying to enrich himself will steal from you, rough you up, maybe even kill you, but…only if it gets him more money. 
 
A dictator trying to change the system, establish legacy, address generational grievances- that’s the guy who will start wars and get millions killed. Putin always sucked, always disregarded rights and liberties, always murdered with impunity. Now, though, he’s trying for a place in the history books and is wrecking two countries. 
 
It’s like Cambodia in the mid ‘70s. The US backed predecessors to Pol Pot were crooks and authoritarians. Pol Pot was a Marxist crusader focused on social transformation. Who was worse?

WTF? I’m gonna go out on that limb and vote for the commie dictator that oversaw the genocide of 2 million locals. (Like a quarter of the population.) Yea, that will certainly “change the system.”

[KYHorn 16691]

This guy can overstate things sometimes

 

 

[statsman 5352]

7 hours ago, ABSR said:

I think what you are missing is that Ukraine is not the first legacy building war Putin engaged in.  He has been doing this since he got in power.  This is just bigger, we notice it more and we are engaging to try and stop it.

Ok, that’s fair 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-races-to-forge-new-army-ahead-of-offensive-aec3a1f2?st=lqyvf5b8v398x88&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

[statsman 5352]

3 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Seriously? The fucking marxist. Killing fields much?

Yeah, that’s the point. 
NYT lead columnist Anthony Lewis opined in the mid 70’s- “We don’t know much about the Khmer Rouge, but it’s hard to imagine them being worse than the current US-backed government of Cambodia.”

That didn’t age well. As noted, they killed 1/4 of the population in about six years. 

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There’s nothing inherently wrong with pondering the likelihood of a war that eventually exhausts itself kinetically and that leaves huge unresolved questions.  Putin has shown a penchant for freezing conflicts and Ukraine and a Russia are not going to have endless will or ability to engage in heavy combat. This is why upcoming months are so important to set the stage. 
 

It’s the framing of it as a stalemate or some kind of partial win for Putin/defeat for Allies that is obtuse. The facts are that Russia achieved almost none of their stated aims, they have wrecked their military for easily a decade to come, they have been isolated from prior preferred economic and trade partners, and they have become more dependent on a smaller set of “Allies.”  They’ve paid a tremendously heavy price for basically Mariupol and some coastal real estate and likely would not have launched the war in hindsight. 
 

Ukraine had paid a dear cost in treasure and blood and if it hopes to recover, is dependent on massive investment from Western partners (likely) and serious internal reforms (there’s a path but uncertain). The people they lost in a nation that was shrinking before the war cannot be replaced and they can only hope to lure refugees home. Their future stability will also depend on what sort of security guarantees and framework Western Allies are willing to give, which is hard to predict so long as the East and Crimea remain unresolved. 
 

Internally— I can guarantee that Ukrainians are discussing the realities and complexities of actually reintegrating the East/Crimea even if they do win. These are not the same regions they lost in 2014. Not the same people. Ukraine has been absent for almost nine years and the population is deeply scarred. There will be hard discussions about how much they REALLY want to push to have them back, especially as Russia has and will try to insert poison pill demands as part of any peace concessions. And at this point, it will be hard for Russia to climb down from the stance that “they’re Russia, we annexed them.” 
 

So yes, it’s hard to see a clear “winner” emerging. The goal is to get Ukraine into the most favorable position possible and to dictate as much as they can the terms of any peace— once they decide that they’re ready for it and that there’s nothing more to be gained by fighting it out. On our side, this is not a real burden and we are capable of doing even much more without really breaking a sweat which is why it’s so disingenuous to play political games around it. 

[KYHorn 16691]

16 hours ago, Rimbo said:

So we're believing reports from Business Insider now?

They've had surprisingly good coverage of the war. Most of it is aggregated from other outlets, though well-cited. 

[956 Worldwide 33957]

32 minutes ago, statsman said:

Yeah, that’s the point. 
NYT lead columnist Anthony Lewis opined in the mid 70’s- “We don’t know much about the Khmer Rouge, but it’s hard to imagine them being worse than the current US-backed government of Cambodia.”

That didn’t age well. As noted, they killed 1/4 of the population in about six years. 

Americans often suffer from a failure of imagination when it comes to “how much worse can it be?”

[The Dog 42745]

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11728]

55 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

There’s nothing inherently wrong with pondering the likelihood of a war that eventually exhausts itself kinetically and that leaves huge unresolved questions.  Putin has shown a penchant for freezing conflicts and Ukraine and a Russia are not going to have endless will or ability to engage in heavy combat. This is why upcoming months are so important to set the stage. 
 

It’s the framing of it as a stalemate or some kind of partial win for Putin/defeat for Allies that is obtuse. The facts are that Russia achieved almost none of their stated aims, they have wrecked their military for easily a decade to come, they have been isolated from prior preferred economic and trade partners, and they have become more dependent on a smaller set of “Allies.”  They’ve paid a tremendously heavy price for basically Mariupol and some coastal real estate and likely would not have launched the war in hindsight. 
 

Ukraine had paid a dear cost in treasure and blood and if it hopes to recover, is dependent on massive investment from Western partners (likely) and serious internal reforms (there’s a path but uncertain). The people they lost in a nation that was shrinking before the war cannot be replaced and they can only hope to lure refugees home. Their future stability will also depend on what sort of security guarantees and framework Western Allies are willing to give, which is hard to predict so long as the East and Crimea remain unresolved. 
 

Internally— I can guarantee that Ukrainians are discussing the realities and complexities of actually reintegrating the East/Crimea even if they do win. These are not the same regions they lost in 2014. Not the same people. Ukraine has been absent for almost nine years and the population is deeply scarred. There will be hard discussions about how much they REALLY want to push to have them back, especially as Russia has and will try to insert poison pill demands as part of any peace concessions. And at this point, it will be hard for Russia to climb down from the stance that “they’re Russia, we annexed them.” 
 

So yes, it’s hard to see a clear “winner” emerging. The goal is to get Ukraine into the most favorable position possible and to dictate as much as they can the terms of any peace— once they decide that they’re ready for it and that there’s nothing more to be gained by fighting it out. On our side, this is not a real burden and we are capable of doing even much more without really breaking a sweat which is why it’s so disingenuous to play political games around it. 

The crazy thing to me is, if Putin had done nothing, the west likely would not have truly galvanized support for Ukraine ‘starting’ a conflict to take back Crimea and/or the Donbas.  Instead, here we are.  Mind bottling stupid decision.  

Edited May 19, 2023 by Judge Roybeanbag

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6 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

The crazy thing to me is, if Putin had done nothing, the west likely would not have truly galvanized support for Ukraine ‘starting’ a conflict to take back Crimea and/or the Donbas.  Instead, here we are.  Mind bottling stupid decision.  

If Putin were on a game show, and had won say a $50,000 prize, and it was sitting there in his hands, but the host offers him a chance at a $100,000 prize, but the odds are extremely slim, and he already had the $50,000 check just waiting to be cashed.... Putin just says "fuck it, let's go for it!"  It then results in the sad horns playing and him walking away with a bag of groceries and a fancy food processor as a consolation prize.  Or a toilet in this case, since he's Russian.