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here's another perspective....

60 million people died in World War II. On average, 27,000 people perished on each day between the invasion of Poland (September 1, 1939) and the formal surrender of Japan (September 2, 1945).

Today is the 68th day of 2020.  On average, 56 people are perishing each day this year due to the Novel Corona.

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24 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Oh yeah he has definitely glazed everything with a nice patina of shit.  I'm not anxious to absolve him of any of this.

But that article goes a long way to dispelling a lot of the current talking points.  I'm glad I won't be repeating any of them.

So, the perfect response would have been for the CDC to use the WHO test or develop its own and begin mass producing it by mid-February. The US government should have shut down all flights from China by late-January and from Wuhan by mid-January. Then it should have shut down travel from Italy, SK, and Iran by late February. And it should have cut out some of the mistakes such as letting the guy in San Antonio go to the mall. It should have also closed the border with Canada once Toronto started getting cases. With all that said, how many days would that have saved us? Would we still have individual cases in NY, Seattle, Houston, and Santa Clara County?

As an aside, China shut down Wuhan but it still allowed flights from China to go to other countries. Was that irresponsible? Is it irresponsible for the US to allow flights to other countries without testing each and every passenger?

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1 minute ago, Bevo said:

So, the perfect response would have been for the CDC to use the WHO test or develop its own and begin mas producing it by mid-February. The US government should have shut down all flights from China by late-January and from Wuhan by mid-January. Then it should have shut down travel from Italy, SK, and Iran by late February. And it should have cut out some of the mistakes such as letting the guy in San Antonio go to the mall. It should have also closed the border with Canada once Toronto started getting cases. With all that said, how many days would that have saved us? Would we still have individual cases in NY, Seattle, Houston, and Santa Clara County?

As an aside, China shut down Wuhan but it still allowed flights from China to go to other countries. Was that irresponsible? Is it irresponsible for the US to allow flights to other countries without testing each and every passenger?

This is actually a good point and worth thinking about. Had we done everything perfectly I think it saves us 7-10 days at most as there is no way the virus would not have found its way to the US somehow. To think otherwise is not rationale thinking. The only thing that matters or was ever going to matter is what measures the US will employ to mitigate the spread and when those measures go into effect. There will be a tipping point in terms of our hospitals being able to manage all of these patients. Either we will act in time or we wont. I personally believe we still have time as a country to make these decisions. But that clock is ticking. My random guess is we have about 1 week left to act decisively. After that I think the spread will be too much for our health care system to handle.

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The Philippines has been testing all pneumonia cases for over a month while contact tracing and testing everything.

It bought them an extra 2 to 3 weeks. Unfortunately there is no way for them to prepare.

The first American in the Philippines has it, but it is thought that he may have been infected in the US or Korea. He had his first symptoms on March 1, and is in a hospital. He is 86. They have not said where he is yet.

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another topic i propose for the surl....

The Spirit of The Blitz

most of us olds know our WW2 history.  following the loss of the Battle of Britain and what became the permanent postponement of Sea Lion, the Luftwaffe turned to  bombing of british industrial centers....

from the wiki:

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The Blitz was a German bombing campaign against the United Kingdom in 1940 and 1941, during the Second World War. The term was first used by the British press and is the German word for 'lightning'.

The Germans conducted mass air attacks against industrial targets, towns, and cities, beginning with raids on London towards the end of the Battle of Britain in 1940 (a battle for daylight air superiority between the Luftwaffe and the Royal Air Force over the United Kingdom). By September 1940, the Luftwaffe had failed and the German air fleets (Luftflotten) were ordered to attack London, to draw RAF Fighter Command into a battle of annihilation. Adolf Hitler and Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring, commander-in-chief of the Luftwaffe, ordered the new policy on 6 September 1940. From 7 September 1940 to 11 May 1941, London and the major British cities were systematically bombed by the Luftwaffe for 56 of the following 57 days and nights. Most notable was a large daylight attack against London on 15 September.

The Luftwaffe gradually decreased daylight operations in favour of night attacks to evade attack by the RAF, and the Blitz became a night bombing campaign after October 1940. The Luftwaffe attacked the main Atlantic sea port of Liverpool in the Liverpool Blitz. The North Sea port of Hull, a convenient and easily found target or secondary target for bombers unable to locate their primary targets, suffered the Hull Blitz. Bristol, Cardiff, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Southampton and Swansea were also bombed, as were the industrial cities of Birmingham, Belfast, Coventry, Glasgow, Manchester and Sheffield. More than 40,000 civilians were killed by Luftwaffe bombing during the war, almost half of them in the capital, where more than a million houses were destroyed or damaged.

In early July 1940, the German High Command began planning Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union.[8] Bombing failed to demoralise the British into surrender or do much damage to the war economy; eight months of bombing never seriously hampered British war production, which continued to increase. The greatest effect was to force the British to disperse the production of aircraft and spare parts. British wartime studies concluded that cities generally took 10 to 15 days to recover when hit severely, but exceptions like Birmingham took three months.

The German air offensive failed because the Luftwaffe High Command (Oberkommando der Luftwaffe, OKL) did not develop a methodical strategy for destroying British war industry. Poor intelligence about British industry and economic efficiency led to OKL concentrating on tactics rather than strategy. The bombing effort was diluted by attacks against several sets of industries instead of constant pressure on the most vital.

The Spirit of The Blitz

Although the intensity of the bombing was not as great as pre-war expectations so an equal comparison is impossible, no psychiatric crisis occurred because of the Blitz even during the period of greatest bombing of September 1940. An American witness wrote "By every test and measure I am able to apply, these people are staunch to the bone and won't quit ... the British are stronger and in a better position than they were at its beginning". People referred to raids as if they were weather, stating that a day was "very blitzy".

According to Anna Freud and Edward Glover, London civilians surprisingly did not suffer from widespread shell shock, unlike the soldiers in the Dunkirk evacuation.[69] The psychoanalysts were correct, and the special network of psychiatric clinics opened to receive mental casualties of the attacks closed due to lack of need. Although the stress of the war resulted in many anxiety attacks, eating disorders, fatigue, weeping, miscarriages, and other physical and mental ailments, society did not collapse. The number of suicides and drunkenness declined, and London recorded only about two cases of "bomb neurosis" per week in the first three months of bombing. Many civilians found that the best way to retain mental stability was to be with family, and after the first few weeks of bombing, avoidance of the evacuation programmes grew.

The cheerful crowds visiting bomb sites were so large they interfered with rescue work, pub visits increased in number (beer was never rationed), and 13,000 attended cricket at Lord's. People left shelters when told instead of refusing to leave, although many housewives reportedly enjoyed the break from housework. Some people even told government surveyors that they enjoyed air raids if they occurred occasionally, perhaps once a week. Despite the attacks, defeat in Norway and France, and the threat of invasion, overall morale remained high; a Gallup poll found only 3% of Britons expected to lose the war in May 1940, another found an 88% approval rating for Churchill in July, and a third found 89% support for his leadership in October. Support for peace negotiations declined from 29% in February. Each setback caused more civilians to volunteer to become unpaid Local Defence Volunteers, workers worked longer shifts and over weekends, contributions rose to the £5,000 "Spitfire Funds" to build fighters and the number of work days lost to strikes in 1940 was the lowest in history.

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Who are the American Leaders that are going to step up and demonstrate the leadership and spirit of '76?

We need The Spirit of The Blitz.

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5 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

here's another perspective....

60 million people died in World War II. On average, 27,000 people perished on each day between the invasion of Poland (September 1, 1939) and the formal surrender of Japan (September 2, 1945).

Today is the 68th day of 2020.  On average, 56 people are perishing each day this year due to the Novel Corona.

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Here’s another perspective...

647,000 people die each from heart disease. On average, 1,772 die every day. So far this year, 120,496 people have died from heart disease

who gives a shit 

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51 minutes ago, Somnio said:

I mean it's not like we're just a couple of weeks in now, with a tiny sample size.

I'm not saying the numbers presented are set in stone,  but I do think they show this is obviously much more lethal than the seasonal flu.

It's useful to show because there are some who still believe this really isn't anything worse than the flu.

I believe that is a dangerous stance to take.

I was at a family gathering yesterday and nearly every old person there was laughing about it being nothing more than another “flu.” Lots of talk about how the media keeps hyping it up for nothing. 

Sad thing is, these people are part of the demographic that this virus is killing. A lot. 

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10 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Here’s another perspective...

647,000 people die each from heart disease. On average, 1,772 die every day. So far this year, 120,496 people have died from heart disease

who gives a shit 

my point is we are going fetal position against a threat that can be combatted.  but we are pussies.

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1 hour ago, RayDog said:

The first American in the Philippines has it, but it is thought that he may have been infected in the US or Korea. He had his first symptoms on March 1, and is in a hospital. He is 86. They have not said where he is yet.

I know where he is.  He's in one of those whore houses getting his wrinkled old dick sucked on, preparing to die with a smile on his face.

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1 hour ago, Message Board User said:

 

Many of them are olds in high-risk categories.  

Multiple members may have came into contact with the CPAC case, and those members could have been spreading it to their colleagues   

And they’ve gotten briefings from actual CDC officials, not some fucking talking head on TV.  

So yeah, I can see why they’d be worried.   

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Is it me, or does Italy (and Iran) seem to be going downhill much faster than the official numbers from Wuhan?  I still think Wuhan is far, far worse than we officially know - they weren’t building multiple hospitals in January when there were few cases, just for shits and giggles.    But damn Italy seems like a runaway train.

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6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Is it me, or does Italy (and Iran) seem to be going downhill much faster than the official numbers from Wuhan?  I still think Wuhan is far, far worse than we officially know - they weren’t building multiple hospitals in January when there were few cases, just for shits and giggles.    But damn Italy seems like a runaway train.

You expect EYE-talians to wash their hands?

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1 hour ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Heart disease is not contagious or spread asymptomatically. 

It also doesn't have the potential to require 10 to 20 percent of infected individuals to need hospitalization and supplied oxygen/fluids for 7 to 21 days each. And doesn't have the ability to rapidly infect millions in a matter of weeks. 

I don't get how hard it is to understand that preparing now might prevent an overrun national health care system while failing to prepare now could easily result in hospitals being over run quickly and most who need emergency care not being able to receive it. 

For fucks sake shut down your games and festivals and concerts and schools for just a few weeks until we see how well we can control the rate of spread. It's not asking that much for the opportunity to curb the rate of infection of a global pandemic.

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Masturbation boosts your immune system and raises your white blood cell count.
 
Sexual arousal and orgasm increase the number of white blood cells in the body, making it easier to fight infection and illness.

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How do those effects on the brain from reaching orgasm translate to boosting our immune system and making our body healthier?

The increase of oxytocin and dopamine that causes a decrease in cortisol levels can help boost our immune system because cortisol (well-known for being a stress-inducing hormone) actually helps maintain your immune system if released in small doses.

According to Dr. Jennifer Landa, a hormone-therapy specialist, masturbation can produce the right kind of environment for a strengthened immune system to thrive.

A study conducted by the Department of Medical Psychology at the University Clinic of Essen (in Germany) showed similar results. A group of 11 volunteers were asked to participate in a study that would look at the effects of orgasm through masturbation on the white blood cell count and immune system.

During this experiment, the white blood cell count of each participant was analyzed through measures that were taken 5 minutes before and 45 minutes after reaching a self-induced orgasm.

The results confirmed that sexual arousal and orgasm increased the number of white blood cells, particularly the natural killer cells that help fight off infections.

The findings confirm that our immune system is positively affected by sexual arousal and self-induced orgasm and promote even more research into the positive impacts of sexual arousal and orgasm.

I am bulletproof!!!

Jennifer Landa, MD:

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Also named Jennifer Landa:

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This is straight from a medical professional on the Wuhan frontline.  Note that the "whistleblower" doctor got interrogated by Chinese police when he recognized this new disease and sounded the alarm.  I think it's safe to say that the aggressive shutdown and quarantine originated from the medical profession who recognized the dimensions of severity and spread.  It wasn't borne from some attempt by the government to hide.  With the severe form of illness lasting upwards of a month, they're just now starting to be able to catch their breath.  I expect we'll start hearing more and more in the form of formal medical reporting soon.

 

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21 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Is it me, or does Italy (and Iran) seem to be going downhill much faster than the official numbers from Wuhan?  I still think Wuhan is far, far worse than we officially know - they weren’t building multiple hospitals in January when there were few cases, just for shits and giggles.    But damn Italy seems like a runaway train.

You have to consider the epidemiology, not the number of confirmed cases. Back when Iran had a little over 100 cases but had spread it to 3 other countries, epidemiologists estimated there were 18,300 cases. A few days later it had spread to 12 countries from Iran indicating over 100,000 cases. In order to explain the  spread now there must be over a million cases. An epidemiologist reported a couple days ago that half of Tehran's 12 million people will soon be infected. Countrywide Iran is likely  reaching the saturation  point for the first wave if infection. That is why there are reports of burials in mass graves.

Italy has spread it to more than 20 countries more than a week ago indicating the number of infections now is likely around 1 million. They are probably 3 weeks away from reaching the saturation point for the first wave there. We did not get a believable body  count from China or Iran, but hopefully we get the real numbers from Italy, so other countries can prepare.

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2 hours ago, triplehorn said:

A middle school student just tested positive in Hillsboro, OR.  Part of my metro area.  I’m thinking spring break just started for this household.

Oh my, the girlfriend works at a pre School in Portland. I think next she'll have some time off. 

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Given the relative lack of testing and evidence it’s in the community, time to shut it down.  Everything I’ve seen and read indicates you can’t act soon enough without heavy regrets.  I’ve never been one to worry about injury or illness but the math underlying the spread of this, combined with severity of virulence, has me taking basic protective action like I haven’t before.  Not panic, just taking it very seriously.

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53 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

So how long before we're all told to stay home for two or three weeks?  It's got to be coming, right?

I’m expecting mandatory work from home policies to become more common in the next couple/few weeks, especially in certain industries. 
 

I hope I’m wrong, but that’s how I’m reading the optics’ momentum. 

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4 minutes ago, The People’s Elbow said:

I’m expecting mandatory work from home policies to become more common in the next couple/few weeks, especially in certain industries. 
 

I hope I’m wrong, but that’s how I’m reading the optics’ momentum. 

All my work travel was cancelled until further notice. 

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1 hour ago, Tailgate said:

A lot of us are feeding off anything we can watch or read on this...here is a calm perspective...just sharing...some interesting points...especially about your personal immune system.

 

 

I did not watch it before since he took it down from his channel, now I know why he took it down.

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1 hour ago, RayDog said:

I did not watch it before since he took it down from his channel, now I know why he took it down.

Is the dude a scam artist? I saw it for the first time tonight and didn’t know the history.

EDIT- did some google on the guy and he does seem suspicious...he’s a chiropractor and not an M.D...so...take it for what it is...was hoping to see something positive...

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1 minute ago, Tailgate said:

Is the dude a scam artist? I saw it for the first time tonight and didn’t know the history.

He is a keto diet guy. He has a lot of great videos with a lot of good advice on diet and preventing ailments with good nutrition. But also some questionable or over the top advice. 

His downplaying the severity of the pandemic is obviously misguided. His recommendation for vitamin D is his best recommendation in the video. Linking Coronaviruses and glucose is purely speculative at this stage but it ties in with his schtick.

I recommend his videos to anyone interested in the keto diet. He is one of the best in that field.

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1 minute ago, RayDog said:

He is a keto diet guy. He has a lot of great videos with a lot of good advice on diet and preventing ailments with good nutrition. But also some questionable or over the top advice. 

His downplaying the severity of the pandemic is obviously misguided. His recommendation for vitamin D is his best recommendation in the video. Linking Coronaviruses and glucose is purely speculative at this stage but it ties in with his schtick.

I recommend his videos to anyone interested in the keto diet. He is one of the best in that field.

Ya, maybe that’s why I got sucked in...I literally started Keto a week ago...but that’s not how I found his video...it was posted on Stocktwits. Thanks for the background.

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lol cruises...  am I right?

 

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The Caribbean Princess, currently on a 10-day cruise out of Port Everglades, will stop in Grand Cayman on Monday to pick up test kits, and samples will be sent from there to the U.S. for testing, the letter from Princess Cruises said. No one will be allowed to disembark in Grand Cayman. Then, the ship will return to the coast of Florida to await the results of the tests.

 

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