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On 4/26/2025 at 11:08 AM, TKthunder2 said:

Most of the 136 teams fly commercial a majority of the time. The biggest teams charter often, and mid level teams may charter for select away games to avoid layovers on commercial flights.

This is why Penn State was lobbying for the Big Ten to partially fund a larger runaway in state college (so the other teams can charter their directly). Flying in a ~200 person football program directly to State College requires multiple planes otherwise they have to take a big plane to Pittsburgh and then have to drive 2 hours.

This is fascinating because for decades JoePa actively worked against any plans to expand the local airport. He wanted to make travel to State College for other teams as difficult as possible. 

Fucking prick.

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1 minute ago, TrashMaster G said:

This is fascinating because for decades JoePa actively worked against any plans to expand the local airport. He wanted to make travel to State College for other teams as difficult as possible. 

Fucking prick.

I think the calculus changed when the Big Ten expanded out West.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/penn-states-james-franklin-says-state-college-airport-limitations-create-travel-issues-for-trip-to-usc/

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2 hours ago, Zeus said:

Stadium looks like Baylor, who the fuck parks on grass unless you are parking on people's lawn going to the Cotton Bowl,  laugh away.  Everything runs its course. 

 

 

Posted
7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Funny you should bring that up...

We used to sit immediately behind these guys.  Years ago there were about 4 guys (who all look like him) that sat together in hand drawn versions of that shirt (as well as their clean cut dad or uncle or whatever).  They told me to "clean up my act" after I vigorously cussed out an officiating crew.

We sat in those seats for 5 seasons.  Those guys were in front of us every year, and they were always fucking weird.

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On 2/29/2024 at 6:05 PM, Frank Drebin said:

SMU won at the trial court.  Local friend judge who ignored the law.  SMU got absolutely bitch slapped by the Dallas Court of Appeals last July.  Once the Texas Supreme Court denies SMU's petition for review, SMU's attempt to disaffiliate is pretty much dead in the water.

And yes, you are correct, the church has exercised a very light hand in managing SMU.  Only time they really stepped in was during the cheating scandal in the 80s.  But the Methodist Church (or to be more precise, the South Central Jurisdictional Conference of the UMC), owns, controls, and manages SMU.  Elects board.  Can remove and replace board.  Has right to veto any sale or lease of campus property.  And has a whole host of rights to control SMU.  They just rarely choose to exercise a heavy hand.

SMU just lost bigly in the Texas Supreme Court in their attempt to disaffiliate from the church.  

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10 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

SMU just lost bigly in the Texas Supreme Court in their attempt to disaffiliate from the church.  

Wouldn't this be better placed in the ACC thread?

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It would, but since we are here, seems like now is when the South-Central Jurisdictional Conference of the UMC would get heavy-handed as a thanks for trying to leave us.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, n64ra said:

It would, but since we are here, seems like now is when the South-Central Jurisdictional Conference of the UMC would get heavy-handed as a thanks for trying to leave us.

Funniest part of the story is much like TCU (SMU posters note I included TCU), most of the students really have no clue what religious affiliation the school has and it doesn't impact their day to day academic or campus life.  

I know at TCU I took one religion class from Brite Divinity and it was a survey course of eastern religions.  

Darn sure wasn't integrated in the manner of student and academic life like ACU or DBU.  

Posted
6 minutes ago, n64ra said:

It would, but since we are here, seems like now is when the South-Central Jurisdictional Conference of the UMC would get heavy-handed as a thanks for trying to leave us.

Big and wealthy SMU violated the law and did so brazenly thinking the poor little SCJC would fold up shop.  They calculated poorly.  I have a lot of disgust for SMU and how they have handled themselves.

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3 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

Funniest part of the story is much like TCU (SMU posters note I included TCU), most of the students really have no clue what religious affiliation the school has and it doesn't impact their day to day academic or campus life.  

I know at TCU I took one religion class from Brite Divinity and it was a survey course of eastern religions.  

Darn sure wasn't integrated in the manner of student and academic life like ACU or DBU.  

SMU was created in response from Vanderbilt's board splitting from the Methodists.  So the Methodists created Emory and SMU in response.  When they did so, they put all sorts of rights in their articles of incorporation guaranteeing the church would forever own and control SMU.  To prevent another rogue board pulling a Vanderbilt on them.  This included the right to approve and changes to the articles of incorporation. The right to approve all board members.  Have a certain percentage of Board Members be members of the UMC.  Have a certain number of Bishops.  Have the right to fire and unilaterally replace board members.  Have the right to approve the sale and lease of campus property.  In 2019, SMU wiped out all these rights on poor legal advice from Gibson Dunn by amending their articles to remove all references to the church, all these rights, and it did so without getting the church's approval.  Despite the express requirement to do so.  Despite on 19 previous occasions when it amended its articles it got the express permission of the church, the most recent in 1996 when Gerald Turner signed the 1996 amendments under oath affirming he received church approval for amendments.

If you were a church that donated 133 acres of land in Highland Park and started a university with the intent for it to be a part of your mission, you don't just roll over when the board tries to violate all of your legal rights and wipe you out.  Unless the school wants to kick in however many billions that property is now worth or give back the 133 acres and buy their own land and buildings somewhere else.

The worst part of it was SMU going to the press and claiming it had to disaffiliate because of the UMC's stance on gay marriage in 2019. This case had nothing to do with that.  It was pretext.  The church never asked SMU to discriminate against anyone.  Hell, it regularly had (and still has) gay weddings at Perkins chapel.  SMU really wanted to disaffiliate because 13 years earlier the progressive wing of the church almost blew up the Bush library going on campus by calling for a vote on whether the school could sell or lease land to library pursuant to their right under the articles to approve sale or lease of all campus property. The vote failed.  But it was close and almost blew up the deal. Gerald Turner had a bug up his ass for years about that and used LGBTQ split of UMC in 2019 as his pretext for breaking the law.   

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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

SMU was created in response from Vanderbilt's board splitting from the Methodists.  So the Methodists created Emory and SMU in response.  When they did so, they put all sorts of rights in their articles of incorporation guaranteeing the church would forever own and control SMU.  To prevent another rogue board pulling a Vanderbilt on them.  This included the right to approve and changes to the articles of incorporation. The right to approve all board members.  Have a certain percentage of Board Members be members of the UMC.  Have a certain number of Bishops.  Have the right to fire and unilaterally replace board members.  Have the right to approve the sale and lease of campus property.  In 2019, SMU wiped out all these rights on poor legal advice from Gibson Dunn by amending their articles to remove all references to the church, all these rights, and it did so without getting the church's approval.  Despite the express requirement to do so.  Despite on 19 previous occasions when it amended its articles it got the express permission of the church, the most recent in 1996 when Gerald Turner signed the 1996 amendments under oath affirming he received church approval for amendments.

If you were a church that donated 133 acres of land in Highland Park and started a university with the intent for it to be a part of your mission, you don't just roll over when the board tries to violate all of your legal rights and wipe you out.  Unless the school wants to kick in however many billions that property is now worth or give back the 133 acres and buy their own land and buildings somewhere else.

The worst part of it was SMU going to the press and claiming it had to disaffiliate because of the UMC's stance on gay marriage in 2019. This case had nothing to do with that.  It was pretext.  The church never asked SMU to discriminate against anyone.  Hell, it regularly had (and still has) gay weddings at Perkins chapel.  SMU really wanted to disaffiliate because 13 years earlier the progressive wing of the church almost blew up the Bush library going on campus by calling for a vote on whether the school could sell or lease land to library pursuant to their right under the articles to approve sale or lease of all campus property. The vote failed.  But it was close and almost blew up the deal. Gerald Turner had a bug up his ass for years about that and used LGBTQ split of UMC in 2019 as his pretext for breaking the law.   

And?  I guess that story is compelling to see, maybe the coffee clatch at Mustang Donuts might find some interest, but once again what does this have to do with the teams in the Big 12 that were left behind when Texas and OU left for the SEC?

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2 hours ago, PGFrog said:

Funniest part of the story is much like TCU (SMU posters note I included TCU), most of the students really have no clue what religious affiliation the school has and it doesn't impact their day to day academic or campus life.  

I know at TCU I took one religion class from Brite Divinity and it was a survey course of eastern religions.  

Darn sure wasn't integrated in the manner of student and academic life like ACU or DBU.  

Pretty sure most of the students understand the meaning of the M in SMU.

Posted
2 hours ago, PGFrog said:

And?  I guess that story is compelling to see, maybe the coffee clatch at Mustang Donuts might find some interest, but once again what does this have to do with the teams in the Big 12 that were left behind when Texas and OU left for the SEC?

You're right.  I have just been living this case for almost 6 years so was excited to get the court's ruling this morning.

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2 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

Pretty sure most of the students understand the meaning of the M in SMU.

Understand the meaning of a word? One would hope so.

Understand what it means to apply the doctrines and dogma in all phases of their daily life?  Not so sure.

Posted
13 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

You're right.  I have just been living this case for almost 6 years so was excited to get the court's ruling this morning.

Understand, your passion for the situation is very obvious in your writings.  

That is something that unfortunately has become very rare in this world.  

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