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On 4/26/2025 at 11:08 AM, TKthunder2 said:

Most of the 136 teams fly commercial a majority of the time. The biggest teams charter often, and mid level teams may charter for select away games to avoid layovers on commercial flights.

This is why Penn State was lobbying for the Big Ten to partially fund a larger runaway in state college (so the other teams can charter their directly). Flying in a ~200 person football program directly to State College requires multiple planes otherwise they have to take a big plane to Pittsburgh and then have to drive 2 hours.

This is fascinating because for decades JoePa actively worked against any plans to expand the local airport. He wanted to make travel to State College for other teams as difficult as possible. 

Fucking prick.

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1 minute ago, TrashMaster G said:

This is fascinating because for decades JoePa actively worked against any plans to expand the local airport. He wanted to make travel to State College for other teams as difficult as possible. 

Fucking prick.

I think the calculus changed when the Big Ten expanded out West.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/penn-states-james-franklin-says-state-college-airport-limitations-create-travel-issues-for-trip-to-usc/

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2 hours ago, Zeus said:

Stadium looks like Baylor, who the fuck parks on grass unless you are parking on people's lawn going to the Cotton Bowl,  laugh away.  Everything runs its course. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Funny you should bring that up...

We used to sit immediately behind these guys.  Years ago there were about 4 guys (who all look like him) that sat together in hand drawn versions of that shirt (as well as their clean cut dad or uncle or whatever).  They told me to "clean up my act" after I vigorously cussed out an officiating crew.

We sat in those seats for 5 seasons.  Those guys were in front of us every year, and they were always fucking weird.

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On 2/29/2024 at 6:05 PM, Frank Drebin said:

SMU won at the trial court.  Local friend judge who ignored the law.  SMU got absolutely bitch slapped by the Dallas Court of Appeals last July.  Once the Texas Supreme Court denies SMU's petition for review, SMU's attempt to disaffiliate is pretty much dead in the water.

And yes, you are correct, the church has exercised a very light hand in managing SMU.  Only time they really stepped in was during the cheating scandal in the 80s.  But the Methodist Church (or to be more precise, the South Central Jurisdictional Conference of the UMC), owns, controls, and manages SMU.  Elects board.  Can remove and replace board.  Has right to veto any sale or lease of campus property.  And has a whole host of rights to control SMU.  They just rarely choose to exercise a heavy hand.

SMU just lost bigly in the Texas Supreme Court in their attempt to disaffiliate from the church.  

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10 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

SMU just lost bigly in the Texas Supreme Court in their attempt to disaffiliate from the church.  

Wouldn't this be better placed in the ACC thread?

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It would, but since we are here, seems like now is when the South-Central Jurisdictional Conference of the UMC would get heavy-handed as a thanks for trying to leave us.

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2 minutes ago, n64ra said:

It would, but since we are here, seems like now is when the South-Central Jurisdictional Conference of the UMC would get heavy-handed as a thanks for trying to leave us.

Funniest part of the story is much like TCU (SMU posters note I included TCU), most of the students really have no clue what religious affiliation the school has and it doesn't impact their day to day academic or campus life.  

I know at TCU I took one religion class from Brite Divinity and it was a survey course of eastern religions.  

Darn sure wasn't integrated in the manner of student and academic life like ACU or DBU.  

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6 minutes ago, n64ra said:

It would, but since we are here, seems like now is when the South-Central Jurisdictional Conference of the UMC would get heavy-handed as a thanks for trying to leave us.

Big and wealthy SMU violated the law and did so brazenly thinking the poor little SCJC would fold up shop.  They calculated poorly.  I have a lot of disgust for SMU and how they have handled themselves.

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3 minutes ago, PGFrog said:

Funniest part of the story is much like TCU (SMU posters note I included TCU), most of the students really have no clue what religious affiliation the school has and it doesn't impact their day to day academic or campus life.  

I know at TCU I took one religion class from Brite Divinity and it was a survey course of eastern religions.  

Darn sure wasn't integrated in the manner of student and academic life like ACU or DBU.  

SMU was created in response from Vanderbilt's board splitting from the Methodists.  So the Methodists created Emory and SMU in response.  When they did so, they put all sorts of rights in their articles of incorporation guaranteeing the church would forever own and control SMU.  To prevent another rogue board pulling a Vanderbilt on them.  This included the right to approve and changes to the articles of incorporation. The right to approve all board members.  Have a certain percentage of Board Members be members of the UMC.  Have a certain number of Bishops.  Have the right to fire and unilaterally replace board members.  Have the right to approve the sale and lease of campus property.  In 2019, SMU wiped out all these rights on poor legal advice from Gibson Dunn by amending their articles to remove all references to the church, all these rights, and it did so without getting the church's approval.  Despite the express requirement to do so.  Despite on 19 previous occasions when it amended its articles it got the express permission of the church, the most recent in 1996 when Gerald Turner signed the 1996 amendments under oath affirming he received church approval for amendments.

If you were a church that donated 133 acres of land in Highland Park and started a university with the intent for it to be a part of your mission, you don't just roll over when the board tries to violate all of your legal rights and wipe you out.  Unless the school wants to kick in however many billions that property is now worth or give back the 133 acres and buy their own land and buildings somewhere else.

The worst part of it was SMU going to the press and claiming it had to disaffiliate because of the UMC's stance on gay marriage in 2019. This case had nothing to do with that.  It was pretext.  The church never asked SMU to discriminate against anyone.  Hell, it regularly had (and still has) gay weddings at Perkins chapel.  SMU really wanted to disaffiliate because 13 years earlier the progressive wing of the church almost blew up the Bush library going on campus by calling for a vote on whether the school could sell or lease land to library pursuant to their right under the articles to approve sale or lease of all campus property. The vote failed.  But it was close and almost blew up the deal. Gerald Turner had a bug up his ass for years about that and used LGBTQ split of UMC in 2019 as his pretext for breaking the law.   

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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

SMU was created in response from Vanderbilt's board splitting from the Methodists.  So the Methodists created Emory and SMU in response.  When they did so, they put all sorts of rights in their articles of incorporation guaranteeing the church would forever own and control SMU.  To prevent another rogue board pulling a Vanderbilt on them.  This included the right to approve and changes to the articles of incorporation. The right to approve all board members.  Have a certain percentage of Board Members be members of the UMC.  Have a certain number of Bishops.  Have the right to fire and unilaterally replace board members.  Have the right to approve the sale and lease of campus property.  In 2019, SMU wiped out all these rights on poor legal advice from Gibson Dunn by amending their articles to remove all references to the church, all these rights, and it did so without getting the church's approval.  Despite the express requirement to do so.  Despite on 19 previous occasions when it amended its articles it got the express permission of the church, the most recent in 1996 when Gerald Turner signed the 1996 amendments under oath affirming he received church approval for amendments.

If you were a church that donated 133 acres of land in Highland Park and started a university with the intent for it to be a part of your mission, you don't just roll over when the board tries to violate all of your legal rights and wipe you out.  Unless the school wants to kick in however many billions that property is now worth or give back the 133 acres and buy their own land and buildings somewhere else.

The worst part of it was SMU going to the press and claiming it had to disaffiliate because of the UMC's stance on gay marriage in 2019. This case had nothing to do with that.  It was pretext.  The church never asked SMU to discriminate against anyone.  Hell, it regularly had (and still has) gay weddings at Perkins chapel.  SMU really wanted to disaffiliate because 13 years earlier the progressive wing of the church almost blew up the Bush library going on campus by calling for a vote on whether the school could sell or lease land to library pursuant to their right under the articles to approve sale or lease of all campus property. The vote failed.  But it was close and almost blew up the deal. Gerald Turner had a bug up his ass for years about that and used LGBTQ split of UMC in 2019 as his pretext for breaking the law.   

And?  I guess that story is compelling to see, maybe the coffee clatch at Mustang Donuts might find some interest, but once again what does this have to do with the teams in the Big 12 that were left behind when Texas and OU left for the SEC?

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2 hours ago, PGFrog said:

Funniest part of the story is much like TCU (SMU posters note I included TCU), most of the students really have no clue what religious affiliation the school has and it doesn't impact their day to day academic or campus life.  

I know at TCU I took one religion class from Brite Divinity and it was a survey course of eastern religions.  

Darn sure wasn't integrated in the manner of student and academic life like ACU or DBU.  

Pretty sure most of the students understand the meaning of the M in SMU.

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2 hours ago, PGFrog said:

And?  I guess that story is compelling to see, maybe the coffee clatch at Mustang Donuts might find some interest, but once again what does this have to do with the teams in the Big 12 that were left behind when Texas and OU left for the SEC?

You're right.  I have just been living this case for almost 6 years so was excited to get the court's ruling this morning.

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2 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

Pretty sure most of the students understand the meaning of the M in SMU.

Understand the meaning of a word? One would hope so.

Understand what it means to apply the doctrines and dogma in all phases of their daily life?  Not so sure.

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13 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

You're right.  I have just been living this case for almost 6 years so was excited to get the court's ruling this morning.

Understand, your passion for the situation is very obvious in your writings.  

That is something that unfortunately has become very rare in this world.  

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On 6/27/2025 at 2:03 PM, Frank Drebin said:

You're right.  I have just been living this case for almost 6 years so was excited to get the court's ruling this morning.

Thanks for the background. It was an interesting read.

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31 minutes ago, mdmost said:

This seems like it will affect the Big 12 race next fall. 

 

Should have gone aggy, where the honor code is only talked about and never enforced.

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41 minutes ago, mdmost said:

This seems like it will affect the Big 12 race next fall. 

 

Could be interesting as Colorado, WVU, Az, and Utah are among their first 7 games. 

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Lol wtf

It's the end of an era in the Big 12. 

The conference's athletic directors and coaches have decided to do away with the preseason poll, sources told Brett McMurphy of Action Network. The news comes just a year after the Arizona State Sun Devils, picked last in the preseason poll voted upon by media representatives and released in July of 2024, went on to capture the Big 12 championship with its 45-19 win over Iowa State (picked sixth) in Dec. 2024.

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That's why I always laugh at those BYU choads on this board who dream about BYU being a power in football or basketball. Most 18-22 year old dudes like having sex. Sure they could go to BYU and hope they dont get exposed, or they could go anywhere else where nobody gives a fuck. 

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11 hours ago, Blotto said:

That's why I always laugh at those BYU choads on this board who dream about BYU being a power in football or basketball. Most 18-22 year old dudes like having sex. Sure they could go to BYU and hope they dont get exposed, or they could go anywhere else where nobody gives a fuck. 


He’s being accused of sexual assault. Unless he went to Baylor or Penn St, he was likely going to be suspended. 

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The entrapment statement seems like something TexAgs would say if their QB were accused of sexual assault. The sips set him up. We told you young'ns about tu, do you believe us now? 

In sexual assault cases, I generally start out believing the woman. Sadly, if it's he said she said, it's hard to prove. Predators rely on this. I guess that works both ways. A predatory woman could use the same veil. I just don't think many women (a few, surely) would go through all of this.

No matter, either a woman was assaulted or a man's reputation for life is damaged due to false accusation. Something bad is happening to someone. I believe women because such a huge number of them experience varying degrees of assault or harassment during their lives.

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3 hours ago, Newy25 said:


He’s being accused of sexual assault. Unless he went to Baylor or Penn St, he was likely going to be suspended. 

And he is being suspended for having consensual sex which is his defense against the accusations. You're out of your mind if you think BYU handles sex like every other school, save Baylor or Penn St. 

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Retzlaff has denied the allegation that was made in a lawsuit filed in May. He contends that he had consensual sex with his accuser, which appears to be the reason that he's facing a suspension from BYU, rather than the sexual assault allegation.

 

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I talked to a couple of BYU fans about the Retzlaff situation. They said if the school thinks he's guilt of sexual assault, they will axe him without question. Whether you think it's because they believe in their honor code or just cynically trying to protect their image, they have zero tolerance for even a hint of that sort of thing. 

But if the school is inclined to believe his defense, they expected something less than expulsion but more than a slap on the wrist. What's interesting is that they said the school would be more lenient with him about premarital sex because he's not a Mormon. If dude was LDS, his punishment would still be expulsion. But because he's Jewish, the school will view it as more of a breach of contract than a sin. Like, that BYU's admin wants non-LDS students and understands that their shit is a bit kooky to outsiders. 

I will say, these fans thought it would be a three game suspension and that Retzlaff would just miss the non-con. So I'm not sure what to think about a 7-game suspension.  

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3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

The entrapment statement seems like something TexAgs would say if their QB were accused of sexual assault. The sips set him up. We told you young'ns about tu, do you believe us now? 

In sexual assault cases, I generally start out believing the woman. Sadly, if it's he said she said, it's hard to prove. Predators rely on this. I guess that works both ways. A predatory woman could use the same veil. I just don't think many women (a few, surely) would go through all of this.

No matter, either a woman was assaulted or a man's reputation for life is damaged due to false accusation. Something bad is happening to someone. I believe women because such a huge number of them experience varying degrees of assault or harassment during their lives.

I understand and generally agree with the sentiments in this post. That said, I do think being dismissive of the "conspiracy theory" that the guy was set up is hasty. Whatever side of the political spectrum anyone trends, pause has to be given these days to dismissing damned near anything immediately. How many Onion and Babylon Bee headlines over the last decade have then ultimately proven true or become true later? I know someone was tracking them at some point and both had hit rates in the double digits, which is disturbing to me. 

Case in point here, the female was a UU student, right? Now that he's being suspended and subsequently preparing to transfer, she withdraws the case, which was not a criminal case at any point. It's still farfetched as a set-up but it just got closer to not being totally unbelievable. I'm assuming that, what it really is, is an ex that got pissed off for some reason and knew that this would hurt the guy substantially. Anything benefitting or harming a school was likely a complete nonfactor in her decision-making and she wasn't put up to it by anyone else. Probably. Right?

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If it was a setup to harm his football career he should sue back but the lack of evidence and the he-said, she-said nature of these things goes both ways. The more common story is that his football career is harmed, she starts getting threats, and drops the case. It's an unfortunate reality. Nobody except them two will ever know the truth. 

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8 hours ago, 'stache said:

If it was a setup to harm his football career he should sue back but the lack of evidence and the he-said, she-said nature of these things goes both ways. The more common story is that his football career is harmed, she starts getting threats, and drops the case. It's an unfortunate reality. Nobody except them two will ever know the truth. 

Might be the more common story... but there are also still plenty of incidents where it turns out to be a false accusation by the so-called victim.  

Sure seems to be a lot more mental health issues nowadays... 

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