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5 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

You think Manning is here for the NIL? It doesn’t take three years of recruiting to sell NIL does it?

I asked you how you’d weight NIL vs. on-field development. Can this staff shit the bed and leave a stocked NIL cupboard for the next guys? 

The D development counts for something, doesn’t it? How would you apportion it?

I don't think Tom Herman and Co. get to sniff Manning or the Hawaii kids no matter how good our NIL game becomes.

NIL is important.  Staffs also have to develop and use relationships (Choice in the Southeast, PK and Choate on the West Coast) and show on the field development and growth.

The staff did enough of that IMO to be a large part of the reason for this class's outcome.

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8 minutes ago, burdine said:

I don't think Tom Herman and Co. get to sniff Manning or the Hawaii kids no matter how good our NIL game becomes.

NIL is important.  Staffs also have to develop and use relationships (Choice in the Southeast, PK and Choate on the West Coast) and show on the field development and growth.

The staff did enough of that IMO to be a large part of the reason for this class's outcome.

Absolutely it’s important. I question whether it is “fucking hilarious” that the staff isn’t at least as responsible, though. “Fucking hilarious” implies it’s not even close. Like 2/3 or more NIL. Maybe it is. I doubt it, but I don’t know. Which is why I asked. 

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I get that there is a lot of heartburn over some questionable gameday play calling and this staff.

A fair amount of that is deserved.

I also think this staff is doing a very good job of maximizing what UT brings (NIL and everything else) to the table off the field and they deserve credit for that when things go as well as this class did.

I have concerns that being both a play caller and head coach might not be the 100% right way to go with Sark.  Especially, if they get rid of the coaching staff limits which makes the benefit less.  It seemed like we got squeezed on coaching bandwidth a few times this year late in games.

I also have very few concerns with the broader program.  Those parts of the program seem to be in good hands with this staff.  I loved seeing the player development this year as that has been one of our biggest nightmares. 

Eventually, it has to translate to consistent winning and conference championships so we will see down the road how it goes.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, burdine said:

Hey fair enough.  

Texas may become a NIL Deathstar at some point but I don't think it's the deciding factor yet.

This class had star power and balance.

The national cherry picking (Manning, Baxter, Lefau, Akana) had a lot more to do with this staff (PK, Choate, Milwee, Choice) than NIL in my opinion.

I'm of the opinion that the Patterson-Strong-Plonsky troika could have found a way to COMPLETELY screw up NIL for Texas had it been around at the time. Even thinking about it makes me feel like I've got covid. 

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1 hour ago, burdine said:

Hard to think we out-NIL'd Georgia and Bama for Manning.

Hard to think we out-NIL-'d Miami and Florida for Baxter.

And thinking PK and Choate's west coast roots went a long way with Hawaii kids.

But if I'm wrong, I'll be happy to learn about it.

 

  Maybe Akana is coming here because his sister plays on the vball team. Not sure if that's a factor. 

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On 12/12/2022 at 6:34 PM, tbone_ said:


Didn’t we already send Fred Akers to Purdue?

Yeah, and a couple years after he was let go from there, a Boilermaker fan pissing in the restroom urinal next to me at the Alamo Bowl noted my Texas gear and started bitching about Fred.

I just told him, “Didn’t you people have a clue that we fired him before you hired the guy?” Lol

(RIP Coach Akers)

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Sarkisian's 1st 2 complete classes.

QB - Ewers, Murphy, Manning
RB - Blue, Baxter, Wisner
WR - Thompson, Neyor, Hall, Milton, Red, Nibblett, Cook, Moore
TE - Billingsley, Randle, Shannon
OL - Campbell, Banks, Umeozulu, Abgo, WIlliams, Huston, Robertson, Chatman, Stroh, Cojoe, Goosby, Kirkland
DL - Bledsoe, Ross, Bryant, Swanson, Mitchell
EDGE - Tapp, Finkley, Burke, Walton, Vasek, Akana, Gullette
LB - Brown, Johnson, Tucker-Dorsey, Hill, Burell, Lefau
DB - Brooks, Allen, Guilbeu, Watts, Jordan, Turner-Gooden, Brice, Williams, Muhammad, Holmes
ST - Stone, St. Louis, Sanborn

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With the Ws he's hanging in recruiting, I'm a happy camper. 

Still, go get that W and make it 9-4, surprise everyone. 

Call some RB screens. 

Run the fuck out of the ball.

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12 hours ago, burdine said:

While 6 - 3 in Big 12 play was our 2nd best result in 9 years, it did feel like the staff left one or two more wins on the table drawing legit criticism.

Now reflecting on this recruiting class, I think this is easily our best class in a decade.  I know folks say anybody can recruit at Texas and there is some truth in that.  Yet, for balance across the board between defense and offense and lines of scrimmage and skill players, this class just plain looks great.

We did well in Texas and cherry picked very high end talent nationally.

The defensive turnaround on the field led to tremendous success in recruiting.

Numerous defensive players DEVELOPED and played well beyond expectations.

We are also probably about to have our best NFL draft day in over a decade as well.

As the staff deserves criticism for some of those in game decisions, they deserve real praise for this recruiting effort.

My hope is that it reflects real changes in culture and development behind the scenes that I think have been at the root of our inconsistent results.

offensive-coordinator-and-offensive-line

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The talent position recruiting is great but these two dudes making sure we win in the trenches is why we win.

Sark did bring an awesome staff.

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7 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Sarkisian's 1st 2 complete classes.

QB - Ewers, Murphy, Manning
RB - Blue, Baxter, Wisner
WR - Thompson, Neyor, Hall, Milton, Red, Nibblett, Cook, Moore
TE - Billingsley, Randle, Shannon
OL - Campbell, Banks, Umeozulu, Abgo, WIlliams, Huston, Robertson, Chatman, Stroh, Cojoe, Goosby, Kirkland
DL - Bledsoe, Ross, Bryant, Swanson, Mitchell
EDGE - Tapp, Finkley, Burke, Walton, Vasek, Akana, Gullette
LB - Brown, Johnson, Tucker-Dorsey, Hill, Burell, Lefau
DB - Brooks, Allen, Guilbeu, Watts, Jordan, Turner-Gooden, Brice, Williams, Muhammad, Holmes
ST - Stone, St. Louis, Sanborn

Gold-star-public-domain-stars-gold-curve

Now win the big 12 on the way out even if the refs are going to fuck us.

 

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10 hours ago, burdine said:

Hard to think we out-NIL'd Georgia and Bama for Manning.

Hard to think we out-NIL-'d Miami and Florida for Baxter.

And thinking PK and Choate's west coast roots went a long way with Hawaii kids.

But if I'm wrong, I'll be happy to learn about it.

 

This post says you have so much to learn that I'm not sure where to start.

If you type the sentence "Hard to think we out-NIL'd..." and don't say Oregon anywhere in the sentence then you don't even know what NIL is. Start there.

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30 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This post says you have so much to learn that I'm not sure where to start.

If you type the sentence "Hard to think we out-NIL'd..." and don't say Oregon anywhere in the sentence then you don't even know what NIL is. Start there.

It's stark because one should assume Bama/Jawja are at the peak of their own dynasties and are either behind the ball in NIL or can't ball at our level.  

Oregon might be a two-trick pony which happens to play in an overlooked conference over a viewership slot most of the country moved on from by the time of their kicks.

Trick 1: 526 alternate swish-uniform combinations, bro

Trick 2: Play spoiler to USC, but only for one more year, then... [looking around] Utah, U-W, Cal?

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10 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said:

I'm of the opinion that the Patterson-Strong-Plonsky troika could have found a way to COMPLETELY screw up NIL for Texas had it been around at the time. Even thinking about it makes me feel like I've got covid. 

Yeah I'm getting tested tomorrow.  Thanks!

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11 hours ago, immamac said:

I think it has a lot more to do with everything than you think. 
i don’t think Manning’s college coach is gonna be the thing that makes him pro and neither should you. 

Arch is here for one reason and one reason only -- Steve Sarkisian. He was going to cash in HUGE on NIL wherever he went.

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15 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said:

I'm of the opinion that the Patterson-Strong-Plonsky troika could have found a way to COMPLETELY screw up NIL for Texas had it been around at the time. Even thinking about it makes me feel like I've got covid. 

Do you even CDC’s Leverage program bro?

 

God bless the guys like imma Ctj Sydney RGB and the other 3-4 guys here. 

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There is a core staff position open right now, with Chris Gilbert’s (not that Chris Gilbert) departure. That is something really important to discuss, affecting the program’s future. 

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14 minutes ago, statsman said:

There is a core staff position open right now, with Chris Gilbert’s (not that Chris Gilbert) departure. That is something really important to discuss, affecting the program’s future. 

That’s easy.  Hire another highly respected HS coach from the metroplex.  I’m sure there will be interest.  Especially since Gilbert turned it into an on-field college job within 2 years. 

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I disagree. I think it’s time to organize j to a NFL style personnel department, scouting high schools and every other college team, year round. Like our leading competitors are doing. 

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, statsman said:

I disagree. I think it’s time to organize j to a NFL style personnel department, scouting high schools and every other college team, year round. Like our leading competitors are doing. 

That's not Gilbert's role.

You're talking about Billy Glasscock's group.

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2021/2/19/22291671/billy-glasscock-hired-texas-longhorns-director-of-player-personnel-north-carolina-state

https://247sports.com/Article/Texas-football-recruiting-Steve-Sarkisian-Billy-Glasscock-Longhorns-160945899/

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12 minutes ago, statsman said:

I disagree. I think it’s time to organize j to a NFL style personnel department, scouting high schools and every other college team, year round. Like our leading competitors are doing. 

They are different roles.  Chris Gilbert’s function was to open the door to recruitments for coaches, primarily in the DFW area, using existing relationships.  We still need that function. 

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This is going to be a really fun thread for some people to quote in three or four years. I’m on the “this is the Simms/Redding foundation 2.0” bandwagon at this point. I’m hoping I will enjoy the quotes being thrown around. 
Theres definitely room for improvement but there’s also clearly a well-defined plan with concrete positive steps being taken. 

I’m old enough to remember both Charlie Strong and Herman pulling Top 5 classes. When the coaching staff weaknesses were not yet revealed. It remains to be seen how Sark’s back to back classes will development, but coaching ability, scouting, and alignment will be key. A plan executed by competent individuals is what’s new, hopefully.
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37 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:


I’m old enough to remember both Charlie Strong and Herman pulling Top 5 classes. When the coaching staff weaknesses were not yet revealed. It remains to be seen how Sark’s back to back classes will development, but coaching ability, scouting, and alignment will be key. A plan executed by competent individuals is what’s new, hopefully.

The evidence of widespread competence and improvement is why this doesn’t look like Strong or Herman. 

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Record after 2 years at Texas:

 

Tom Herman:  17-10 with 2 bowl wins.

Steve Sarkisian:  13-12 with 0 bowl wins.

Charlie Strong:  11-14 with 0 bowl wins.

 

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Tonight featured several baffling clock management, play calling, and personnel decisions… Sark will ALWAYS drop at least ~3-4 games a year based off that alone.

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Sark will probably note that all 5 of our losses this season were within 1 score, but Sark also acknowledges you are what your record says you are, which is 8-5. If he can't figure out how to turn close games into wins next season, HE GONE 

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8-5 is pretty frustrating in that it’s sort of right on the edge of the success/failure spectrum for this year. Close margins of defeat give a bit of weight to the success side, but I think most would agree it tends more to the failure side given the missed opportunities.

In the end, all that really means is that next year’s result will carry most of the weight towards Sark’s tenability as coach. (Year three, no shit)

My opinion, failure to appear in Big 12 title game next year: Sark is on extremely thin ice if not fired outright.

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Sark is who he is. He’s a nice guy and recruits well (for now) and will hang on for another few years. But we will never win anything of significance with him at the helm. Then it’s on to the next hire we fuck up. 

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2 minutes ago, LonghornSean said:

8-5 is pretty frustrating in that it’s sort of right on the edge of the success/failure spectrum for this year. Close margins of defeat give a bit of weight to the success side, but I think most would agree it tends more to the failure side given the missed opportunities.

In the end, all that really means is that next year’s result will carry most of the weight towards Sark’s tenability as coach. (Year three, no shit)

Failure to appear in Big 12 title game next year: Sark is on extremely thin ice if not fired outright.

Absent a complete miserable disaster like 3-9 he’s not going anywhere. In fact he’s more likely to get a 5th year so long as he’s bouncing around at at least .500.  Yes that’s at least 2 if not 3 more years.

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1 minute ago, LonghornSean said:

8-5 is pretty frustrating in that it’s sort of right on the edge of the success/failure spectrum for this year. Close margins of defeat give a bit of weight to the success side

I look at it the other way -- a team that loses a lot of close games is not a well-coached team.  I don't see it as evidence of we're-almost-there.  Especially when two of those losses were against clearly inferior teams after we'd been up by 14.

And we damn near lost to a pretty bad Iowa State team, too.

How many teams did we play this season who had a talent advantage?  It's debatable, but it sure as shit isn't 5 or 6.

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10 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Record after 2 years at Texas:

 

Tom Herman:  17-10 with 2 bowl wins.

Steve Sarkisian:  13-12 with 0 bowl wins.

Charlie Strong:  11-14 with 0 bowl wins.

 

TrxArcher just walks by and stabs me in the eyes three times. 

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8 minutes ago, LonghornSean said:

8-5 is pretty frustrating in that it’s sort of right on the edge of the success/failure spectrum for this year. Close margins of defeat give a bit of weight to the success side, but I think most would agree it tends more to the failure side given the missed opportunities.

In the end, all that really means is that next year’s result will carry most of the weight towards Sark’s tenability as coach. (Year three, no shit)

My opinion, failure to appear in Big 12 title game next year: Sark is on extremely thin ice if not fired outright.

There is simply no way Sark is fired before Arch takes the reins. 

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2 minutes ago, troph said:

Absent a complete miserable disaster like 3-9 he’s not going anywhere. In fact he’s more likely to get a 5th year so long as he’s bouncing around at at least .500.  Yes that’s at least 2 if not 3 more years.

This is not true. In a 5th year that would be Arch Manning’s and Baxter’s final season in college. If he’s hovering around .500 with Ewers, then arch, and brooks blue Baxter and the OL and DL he’s recruited then it’s beyond obvious that the things he sucks at now with top tier definitely more than adequate talent are going to be the reason for being around .500 and he will be fired. He’s just not a good head coach. 

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5 minutes ago, immamac said:

This is not true. In a 5th year that would be Arch Manning’s and Baxter’s final season in college. If he’s hovering around .500 with Ewers, then arch, and brooks blue Baxter and the OL and DL he’s recruited then it’s beyond obvious that the things he sucks at now with top tier definitely more than adequate talent are going to be the reason for being around .500 and he will be fired. He’s just not a good head coach. 

He’s getting 2 more years without question, that’s 4 total. One more after that is completely possible even if we all know it’s piss.

here’s how it likely plays out, he wins 8 or 9 next year and in his 4th year eeks one more out to get to 10. 10 wins is great, but not after 5, 8, 9 wins. And 10 total still likely comes with 3 losses. Well, it’s the magic number though and he get an extension for a year. Heck I can see him getting a 5th year if he wins 9 in year 4. We are in a really bad spot here. 

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19 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sark is a bad head coach.

He isn’t even a football coach ... just a fraud, that Norm Chow pulled out of the gutter at USC, when he was selling used computers. Now Chow doesn’t even talk to the back stabbing creep. 

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4 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

There is simply no way Sark is fired before Arch takes the reins. 

Crappy Suck and an overrated Manning has train wreck written all over it. Despite the crap Suck says, he is a terrible OC and a worthless qb coach. 

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5 minutes ago, troph said:

He’s getting 2 more years without question, that’s 4 total. One more after that is completely possible even if we all know it’s piss.

He can lose the rest of the games under his first contract and not be fired. I don’t believe he gets an extension with buyout teeth unless he wins 9 games. If he doesn’t make the championship game for whatever conference he is in or make the top 12 next season he’s fired in year 5 

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

He can lose the rest of the games under his first contract and not be fired. I don’t believe he gets an extension with buyout teeth unless he wins 9 games. If he doesn’t make the championship game for whatever conference he is in or make the top 12 next season he’s fired in year 5 

First 9 wins as the pinnacle in 4-5 years …  and an extension? That happens (9 wins) if he won tonight. kill me now. Second you just said fired in year 5? I thought there was no way? 
 

he camps around 9-10 wins (which means 3-4 losses) and he’s here for a while even if we all know he’s not winning shit. That should scare the begezus out of all of us.

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4 minutes ago, JohnnyLamJones said:

Crappy Suck and an overrated Manning has train wreck written all over it. Despite the crap Suck says, he is a terrible OC and a worthless qb coach. 

Can we get a fatwa going on this dumb fuck?

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8 minutes ago, immamac said:

He can lose the rest of the games under his first contract and not be fired. I don’t believe he gets an extension with buyout teeth unless he wins 9 games. If he doesn’t make the championship game for whatever conference he is in or make the top 12 next season he’s fired in year 5 

I believe Sark will get at least 3 more years as long as Arch is here and productive, and Sark's recruiting continues to be successful. 

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