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1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

I will concede that NIL may have changed the dynamic, but, any school that can win a national championship while being coached by a complete idiot is a top job.  That happened twice with LSU.

Would you say that Les Miles and Ed Orgeron are better coaches than Brian Kelly?

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Super unlikely that garden-variety birddogging rises to this level, especially if they didn’t invoke it when they canned him. A court won’t look kindly on using the thread of invoking it after the fact to negotiate your buyout down. If he violated the clause, they should have said so and terminated him for that reason. 

 

Be fair: Thread of Invoking is a decent band name, especially in Luzyanna, although probably better used in Voudon contexts.

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2 hours ago, Vertuzzi said:

Absolutely rooting for Brian Kelly here. Piece of shit schools like LSU must learn that they can’t just offer shit their ass can’t actually pay. 

Right?  Ideally LSU will be forced to pay this amount and then the money is taken away from Kelly for reason I can't imagine.  This is like the weekend of the aggy / tech game when I was in school.  You really wanted them both to lose. 

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3 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Would you say that Les Miles and Ed Orgeron are better coaches than Brian Kelly?

Why would you not say that?

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2 hours ago, crash_davis said:

They're hoping he thinks of all the children who will die if they payout his contract.

I laughed when the Aggies impaled themselves on their guaranteed contract to Jimbo with no conditions. I thought is was a one off.

Now, it makes me sick to think of institutions of higher learning risking 100s of millions of dollars then loosing it. I also don't know how comfortable I would be if I were already worth 10s of millions of dollars taking all that money in failure. Integrity? That still a thing? Maybe I never understood it.

It's all a big toilet swirl of fiduciary suicide and greed. 

I have no idea how to fix it. The schools can't form an illegal trust and they can't even remember why they exist.

Crazy fucking world these days.

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By what metric do you think LSU qualifies as a Top 5 job?

Well let’s see, there is the, checks notes, 3-AD, 2-President and the 1-Governor of Louisiana. Head Football Coach slides in at number 4! That IS top 5 is it not? /s

Yeah I know what you meant!
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20 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I laughed when the Aggies impaled themselves on their guaranteed contract to Jimbo with no conditions. I thought is was a one off.

Now, it makes me sick to think of institutions of higher learning risking 100s of millions of dollars then loosing it. I also don't know how comfortable I would be if I were already worth 10s of millions of dollars taking all that money in failure. Integrity? That still a thing? Maybe I never understood it.

It's all a big toilet swirl of fiduciary suicide and greed. 

I have no idea how to fix it. The schools can't form an illegal trust and they can't even remember why they exist.

Crazy fucking world these days.

*Losing*

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3 hours ago, Tex Long said:

So... no Morality Clause in Kelly's contract? Maybe just no proof of violations (yet)...

It’s a really odd contract. Trace Armstrong is an outstanding agent, but he didn’t get a written buyout deadline from LSU. They can just pay him $800,000 every month until his contract expires.

LSU and their regard attorney think this is their leverage, and why they expected Kelly to take $20-25 million in a lump sum. 

Kelly should reject any settlement. Make those regards pay. 

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I'm curious why they were naive enough to think he would settle for less money, or for a compensation structure that benefits the former employer that just shit-canned him. Fucking idiots. 

Because they convinced themselves that all that was needed to clear up this dispute was a little theology and geometry.
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I’ll go ahead and say Sexton is still the king. Jimbo will all get every red cent of his aggy $77 million buyout, and he got $19.2 million of it within 60 days of his termination. aggy didn’t try anything cute because they’re desperately afraid of Sexton and raised the money.

Kelly is playing a risky game, but this is likely his last stop so he has nothing to lose. Anything is possible in Louisiana state government. Would it surprise anyone if Landry held a presser tomorrow and said Kelly rejected our third and final offer, so we’re going to stop paying him? Armstrong should have structured the buyout with immediate cash up front. 

 

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2 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

It’s a really odd contract. Trace Armstrong is an outstanding agent, but he didn’t get a written buyout deadline from LSU. They can just pay him $800,000 every month until his contract expires.

LSU and their regard attorney think this is their leverage, and why they expected Kelly to take $20-25 million in a lump sum. 

Kelly should reject any settlement. Make those regards pay. 

Its the new Bobby Bonilla Day!

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I’ll go ahead and say Sexton is still the king. Jimbo will all get every red cent of his aggy $77 million buyout, and he got $19.2 million of it within 60 days of his termination. aggy didn’t try anything cute because they’re desperately afraid of Sexton and raised the money.
Kelly is playing a risky game, but this is likely his last stop so he has nothing to lose. Anything is possible in Louisiana state government. Would it surprise anyone if Landry held a presser tomorrow and said Kelly rejected our third and final offer, so we’re going to stop paying him? Armstrong should have structured the buyout with immediate cash up front. 
 

Would it surprise anyone if they came back and said they were gonna make him coach again?
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6 hours ago, Tex Long said:

 

Be fair: Thread of Invoking is a decent band name, especially in Luzyanna, although probably better used in Voudon contexts.

It's also a great magic item in Dungeons and Dragons. 

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Posted
19 minutes ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

Orgeron won because he caught lightning in a bottle with Burrow as QB and Brady as OC. 

Kelly couldn't catch a bottle full of lightning if it hit him in the hands.

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26 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Kelly couldn't catch a bottle full of lightning if it hit him in the hands.

What if he was standing next to an equipment manager on a metal tower in a thunder storm?

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Was thinking about working that in... 

I think each time his name is said there should be a reminder of his role in the death of that young man.  

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My favorite part is them assuming BK would be down with whatever buyout.  That fucking state can't fund 53 mil, they'd have to break it up into Bobby Bonilla years. 

 

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Its about to get ugly in Tiger land. LSU is trying to fire him for cause after he rejected their settlement offers. He's gonna fight it. Ive heard lots of rumors about Kelly there. The typical coah stuff, getting wasted, running around on his wife , etc. But theres one rumor that involves another LSU coach's daughter or something to that affect. No clue if its true, but Id imagine of it is then he could be fired for cause over it. 

Going to the matresses

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11 minutes ago, MichaelDicksonFanClub said:

 

I didn’t think they’d be dumb enough to do this, but I was clearly wrong. There’s a procedure for firing for cause that was pretty clearly not followed. I guess they are hoping a LA court will just side with the Tigahs. 
 

At every turn they do exactly the thing that makes them the least attractive possible coaching destination. Landry is gonna end up coaching himself. 
 

Landry promising to provide a sideline tiger and producing a fat, inbred False Mike proving to be an incredible omen. The ancients would recognize this. 

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11 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Looks like BK's going to have to be placed on a formal Performance Improvement Plan.  

Knowing him he will take a fake leave and try and ride out the reorg

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20 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You can kind of cobble together a case that a lump sum big enough (time value of money) plus removal of the duty to mitigate could let him take a higher paying job that could offset and leave him better than the loss of guaranteed from LSU. 
 

But BK is a known asshole who might have trouble landing that good of a gig. It’s a gamble for him and he should for sure force LSU to agree to pay what they agreed to. 

That’s exactly how this is supposed to play out. He has a duty to mitigate so will never get the full amount. He can argue that he ruined his own reputation and isn’t worth a whole lot but somebody will/would hire him at some level. He can’t just do nothing and get the full amount, he’s supposed to at least try to find employment.  And yeah, this cycle, he’ll get a job somewhere that will likely overpay and he could end up way better off by taking a settlement. If they are truly lowballing him though he can make them litigate but he’d also be in a position of having incentive to not get a good job. The “for cause” thing is so dumb, they’ll never win that, even if there’s something it didn’t come up at the time they fired him, it was purely wins and losses which is not cause or moral turpitude.

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20 minutes ago, 'stache said:

That’s exactly how this is supposed to play out. He has a duty to mitigate so will never get the full amount. He can argue that he ruined his own reputation and isn’t worth a whole lot but somebody will/would hire him at some level. He can’t just do nothing and get the full amount, he’s supposed to at least try to find employment.  And yeah, this cycle, he’ll get a job somewhere that will likely overpay and he could end up way better off by taking a settlement. If they are truly lowballing him though he can make them litigate but he’d also be in a position of having incentive to not get a good job. The “for cause” thing is so dumb, they’ll never win that, even if there’s something it didn’t come up at the time they fired him, it was purely wins and losses which is not cause or moral turpitude.

LSU is claiming they have not “ACTUALLY” fired him yet and NOW are claiming they “have cause”.

 

They fucked it up royally. If there was actual cause, they should have informed him of it when they locked him out of the building, but LSU.

 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46924174/brian-kelly-lawsuit-says-lsu-claims-not-formally-terminated-coach-now-seeking-fire-cause-avoid-buyout

 

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At the time, his dismissal was said to be performance-related, with then-athletic director Scott Woodward saying in a statement, "We had high hopes that he would lead us to multiple SEC and national championships during his time in Baton Rouge. Ultimately, the success at the level that LSU demands simply did not materialize."

 

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Ah yes, from the same school who knew Les Miles committed multiple Title IX violations and hid them under the rug and it didn't come out until he was working at another school. 

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30 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

LSU is claiming they have not “ACTUALLY” fired him yet and NOW are claiming they “have cause”.

This is the part that gets me.  If they never "ACTUALLY" fired him, why were they trying to negotiate down his buyout?  Why was the governor telling the media about putting together a committee to find the best coach?

If they never "ACTUALLY" fired him, why was he not been at practice the past few weeks and why the hell wasn't he on the sideline on Saturday???

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I would 100% take this case for Kelly on contingency.  If anyone has any connections, I pay referral legally allowable fees (think Massive Tailgate party free admission to Surly members)

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I've asked, but never seen an answer, whether coaching contracts do or might contain language allowing the school to assign the head coach to another position (keeping the salary, of course) and/or to assign another person to a position of authority over the head coach?

I mean, you know, like like like, you know, not "you're fired" but like "you aren't running the team any more, asswipe, go stand over there and keep your mouth shut."

Somewhere in the Contracts there are clauses relating to insubordinate behavior...no? Probably within a page or two of the Morality clauses?' 

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22 minutes ago, Js1 said:

BK should show up on Saturday to coach

"But you said I wasn't terminated, so here I am" 

 

10 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

They now have cause because he hasn't been showing up for work when he was only unofficially fired.

 

6 minutes ago, Loose Stool said:

This is the part that gets me.  If they never "ACTUALLY" fired him, why were they trying to negotiate down his buyout?  Why was the governor telling the media about putting together a committee to find the best coach?

If they never "ACTUALLY" fired him, why was he not been at practice the past few weeks and why the hell wasn't he on the sideline on Saturday???

I think these all nail it. I'd like an attorney to chime in and tell my why Kelly's first reaction to this isn't to show up on Saturday demanding to coach since he hasn't been terminated, and documenting the removing of his building access, etc, as proof of the case. Unless I'm missing something, it would be pretty valid from a defense standpoind, and have the advantage of being fucking hilarious and humiliating to LSU. Do all the pre-game shows. Fuck it, Kelly, lets ride.

That being said, I'm starting to think that they were cooking on this for awhile, and that's why all of a sudden Woodward got pressure and was eventually fired, because he didn't drag his feet long enough and fired Kelly without the Cause part ready to go. Now I wonder if Woodward has plenty of evidence to prove the Governor and Board of some kind of conspiracy to create cause. That would be a super fun Discovery and witness testimony. 

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1 minute ago, Tex Long said:

I've asked, but never seen an answer, whether coaching contracts do or might contain language allowing the school to assign the head coach to another position (keeping the salary, of course) and/or to assign another person to a position of authority over the head coach?

I mean, you know, like like like, you know, not "you're fired" but like "you aren't running the team any more, asswipe, go stand over there and keep your mouth shut."

Somewhere in the Contracts there are clauses relating to insubordinate behavior...no? Probably within a page or two of the Morality clauses?' 

I'm pulling this out my ass, but I'm pretty sure head coaches and been suspended or re-assigned without being fired before, within an athletic department, while essentially being fired later. That was awhile back, so maybe contract language has changed/mitigated that, over time. 

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Already imaging the LSU AG arguing in court that they don't have to pay the buyout

The judge is going to be like "so you terminated him after the loss to Texas A&M, cut off all his access to the building, named an interim HC, who coached the game last week, and the governor has basically been on a press tour about looking for a new coach, putting together a committee, and yet you say you didn't fire him?"

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