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On 4/27/2025 at 2:20 PM, Slacks said:

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Donovan edwards playa....in response to player on NCAA cover undrafted

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1 hour ago, statsman said:

-he has excellent ball placement (position and velocity) on short and intermediate throws - agreed, i would say this is his best attribute

-he can make nice throws on the move or off balance - ok

-excellent fakes - this feels like a reach

-good locker room guy -  agreed 

 

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6 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

Quinn was not by any means perfect at Texas, but to say “when did he ever hit a guy in stride” makes me question if you’ve ever watched a Texas game with QE at QB.

This.  JFC that was an awful take.

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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I think it's simple as this: What does Quinn Ewers do well? 

 

Ignoring the poor throwing mechanics, poor pocket presence, poor improv, poor athleticism, poor durability….he has a great demeanor for the NFL. 

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yeah, VY had a cool and calm demeanor. QE seemed like he was just going through the paces, like a bored HS student, mindlessly going through their day. it was never like, “oh he stays so calm”, it was more like, “he seems like he could take or leave being our qb right now.”
the weirdest thing about this is that i only recall QE ever showing fire or leadership one time, and it’s when he was injured, and he got the troops on the sideline all hyped up while arch was actually on the field balling. i was like, “wtf is that? i’ve never seen him show emotion like that.” don’t think i ever saw it again.
there were a few times on the field he would get fired up. Always hoped it would be the start of something.
I think it's simple as this: What does Quinn Ewers do well? 
 

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I hope Quinn has a hall of fame career in the league, but one of the bright spots when he finally calls it a day will be this thread not remaining on page 1.

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15 minutes ago, Nabad said:

I hope Quinn has a hall of fame career in the league, but one of the bright spots when he finally calls it a day will be this thread not remaining on page 1.

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10 hours ago, Gandalfish said:

Holy shit.

Genuine question: Is this thread fun for you?

It’s literally the only positive thing he has going in his life, let him have it

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So, in retrospect, Sark almost pulled off a miracle. His choke in the last series was more egregious than Quinn's. 

Mid season Sark decided that Quinn could get back to 100% or so and take us to the promise land. That never happened. He also decided, perhaps the biggest factor in going with Quinn, was that he owed it to him to help in the NFL draft. We saw how that turned out. I wonder if Sark learned his lesson.

Seems pretty clear now that he should have moved heaven and earth to get Manning more playing time mid-season thru to the end, even if it meant going with two QBs. Manning was the guy to get us past Georgia and OSU. What a team that was. What a defense. What a cinderella season it would have been had a raw Arch Manning brought home the bacon. Can you imagine the impact on recruiting?

Wonder if Sark learned anything from it. Feels like Quinn was so mediocre mid-season that Sark decided to give him maximum snaps at Manning's expense. Big fucking mistake. Oldest mistake in the book - letting your backup sit when he could be getting quality reps. Damn.

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Ok....will the fact...or at least the idea that Quinn did not really develop here hurt the recruiting of top QB's in the future? Dark was reputed to be a QB whisperer before.

 

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3 minutes ago, oldhorn2 said:

Ok....will the fact...or at least the idea that Quinn did not really develop here hurt the recruiting of top QB's in the future? Dark was reputed to be a QB whisperer before.

 

No. See dia bell in 2026 and potentially gunner rivers in 2027

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4 minutes ago, oldhorn2 said:

Ok....will the fact...or at least the idea that Quinn did not really develop here hurt the recruiting of top QB's in the future? Dark was reputed to be a QB whisperer before.

 

No, because we're expecting Arch to be the gold standard moving forward.

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22 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

But in Ohio State game, we had the ball driving tied up in the 4th. Looking to take the lead. Quinn had a 3rd down we absolutely had to convert if you want to win a title. And he choked as usual. 

Oof, I tried to forget about that play. Easy throw, way off the mark. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gandalfish said:

Oh I was talking to all of you.

There really some people who love to be miserable and this thread is great proof of it. It’s one thing to distort your sense of reality to make yourself happier, then there’s whatever the fuck is going on in here. 

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4 hours ago, statsman said:

-he has excellent ball placement (position and velocity) on short and intermediate throws

-he can make nice throws on the move or off balance

-excellent fakes

-good locker room guy

Da fuck? Quinn has horrible footwork work and can’t make throws off balance and on the move and it’s a primary reason he plummeted in the draft. I genuinely think that Arch had more roll out passes and scrambles in his few starts than Quinn had in his whole career at Texas. Outside of the roll out passes during the Michigan game, Quinn either hit his checkdown or took a sack when he needed to be mobile or scramble. 

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24 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

There really some people who love to be miserable and this thread is great proof of it. 

The self-flagellants you're talking about are not restricted to spending time on the QE thread; there are other (almost) equally painful alternatives: hair shirts, scourges, beds of nails, etc. I could go on.

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2 hours ago, Royale with cheese said:

The self-flagellants you're talking about are not restricted to spending time on the QE thread; there are other (almost) equally painful alternatives: hair shirts, scourges, beds of nails, etc. I could go on.

Nah... and about that Ohio State Game. We had the fucking momentum. We were coming back big time and got the ball to what, the one motherfucking yard line. Score there, the D shuts down the Buckeyes and it's on to an easy slaughter of the Irish. I want a do-over this season. We're gonna paint this conference burnt orange. Fucking Georgia fans will be at the airport when our plane lands, on their knees doing salami, salami, baloney.

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8 hours ago, statsman said:

I should have known. That’s why this site is so down on Ewers. 

Dude. He already made the correct political choice by going to Texas. That more than makes up for whatever wrong political positions he might have.

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23 hours ago, Nabad said:

I hope Quinn has a hall of fame career in the league, but one of the bright spots when he finally calls it a day will be this thread not remaining on page 1.

Sure. None of these guys still talk about Applewhite/Simms.

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16 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Dude. He already made the correct political choice by going to Texas. That more than makes up for whatever wrong political positions he might have.

booo hissss

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On 4/30/2025 at 6:12 PM, Irish Wrist Watch said:

So, in retrospect, Sark almost pulled off a miracle. His choke in the last series was more egregious than Quinn's. 

Mid season Sark decided that Quinn could get back to 100% or so and take us to the promise land. That never happened. He also decided, perhaps the biggest factor in going with Quinn, was that he owed it to him to help in the NFL draft. We saw how that turned out. I wonder if Sark learned his lesson.

Seems pretty clear now that he should have moved heaven and earth to get Manning more playing time mid-season thru to the end, even if it meant going with two QBs. Manning was the guy to get us past Georgia and OSU. What a team that was. What a defense. What a cinderella season it would have been had a raw Arch Manning brought home the bacon. Can you imagine the impact on recruiting?

Wonder if Sark learned anything from it. Feels like Quinn was so mediocre mid-season that Sark decided to give him maximum snaps at Manning's expense. Big fucking mistake. Oldest mistake in the book - letting your backup sit when he could be getting quality reps. Damn.

IIRC, This was one of the things discussed when Sark came to Texas.

 

the man LOATHES changing QBs. 

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Was Ewers being pulled against UGA last year the first time Sark has done that here (and he went back in in the third quarter)? I think by the time Casey Thompson came in for Card against Arkansas in 2022 that game was already over.

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5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Was Ewers being pulled against UGA last year the first time Sark has done that here (and he went back in in the third quarter)? I think by the time Casey Thompson came in for Card against Arkansas in 2022 that game was already over.

It was. I remember thinking Quinn had the yips and needed some time to cool off. Spotlight was a bit too bright for Arch though and I understood why Sark put Quinn back out there.

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14 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

IIRC, This was one of the things discussed when Sark came to Texas.

 

the man LOATHES changing QBs. 

Because he was a QB. He knows what getting pulled can do to a guy's confidence and mindset. He isn't going to pull his starter unless he knows either (1) the guy he's replacing the starter with is better, or (2) the guy getting pulled needs a hard reset. He pulled Card against Arkansas because Card lost the job. Thompson was clearly the better QB at that point and that's how it stayed. He pulled Ewers against UGA and when he went back in, Ewers suddenly played better. Ewers needed a hard reset. Those are the two times I can remember Sark pulling the QB at Texas, and it was the right call both times. I can understand the people criticizing Ewers, but the people who think they know better than Sark about which QB to play get a massive Lucille Bluth-style eyeroll from me. 

Sark is fallible just like anyone. Maybe he was too loyal to Ewers or worrying too much about keeping his locker room together. But when I see which posters in this thread are convinced that Sark is wrong, it bolsters my faith in the man. Because those posters are, for the most part, either pathologically miserable or just plain stupid. "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign - that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

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Getting thrown to the wolves too early can permanently destroy a QB'S confidence. It's a far fetched scenario but imagine if you will a 5-star freshman QB having to play meaningful snaps against an elite defense coached by Nick Saban in his prime. Chances are he'd never be the same afterwards and would be lucky to find a starting position at some garbage G5 program.

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34 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Because he was a QB. He knows what getting pulled can do to a guy's confidence and mindset. He isn't going to pull his starter unless he knows either (1) the guy he's replacing the starter with is better, or (2) the guy getting pulled needs a hard reset. He pulled Card against Arkansas because Card lost the job. Thompson was clearly the better QB at that point and that's how it stayed. He pulled Ewers against UGA and when he went back in, Ewers suddenly played better. Ewers needed a hard reset. Those are the two times I can remember Sark pulling the QB at Texas, and it was the right call both times. I can understand the people criticizing Ewers, but the people who think they know better than Sark about which QB to play get a massive Lucille Bluth-style eyeroll from me. 

Sark is fallible just like anyone. Maybe he was too loyal to Ewers or worrying too much about keeping his locker room together. But when I see which posters in this thread are convinced that Sark is wrong, it bolsters my faith in the man. Because those posters are, for the most part, either pathologically miserable or just plain stupid. "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign - that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Posted before, but Klatt’s podcast on the UGA game, right after, said (paraphrase) “There are two reasons to pull a quarterback- to replace him, or to give him a chance to collect himself. Sark’s pulling of Ewers was the latter, but…each of Sark, Ewers and Manning knew that if Manning played well, Ewers wasn’t going back in.”

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38 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Because he was a QB. He knows what getting pulled can do to a guy's confidence and mindset. He isn't going to pull his starter unless he knows either (1) the guy he's replacing the starter with is better, or (2) the guy getting pulled needs a hard reset. He pulled Card against Arkansas because Card lost the job. Thompson was clearly the better QB at that point and that's how it stayed. He pulled Ewers against UGA and when he went back in, Ewers suddenly played better. Ewers needed a hard reset. Those are the two times I can remember Sark pulling the QB at Texas, and it was the right call both times. I can understand the people criticizing Ewers, but the people who think they know better than Sark about which QB to play get a massive Lucille Bluth-style eyeroll from me. 

Sark is fallible just like anyone. Maybe he was too loyal to Ewers or worrying too much about keeping his locker room together. But when I see which posters in this thread are convinced that Sark is wrong, it bolsters my faith in the man. Because those posters are, for the most part, either pathologically miserable or just plain stupid. "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign - that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

I’m not questioning Sark call of sticking with Quinn, I’m simply saying “this was part of the deal.”

 

 

furthermore, I’m fully on board with Sark. If the dude cut every player tomorrow, I’d shrug and say “Sark knows what he’s doing”.

 

He has soundly proved my initial read of him (as being a middling HC) to be completely incorrect. He’s a damn fine HC. Easily our best since Mack. Win an MNC, and I’ll say he’s better (and despite his massive flaws, I’ll always love Mack). Arguably already the 3rd-4th best HC in Texas history, despite only having been here for 4 seasons so far.

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4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Getting thrown to the wolves too early can permanently destroy a QB'S confidence. It's a far fetched scenario but imagine if you will a 5-star freshman QB having to play meaningful snaps against an elite defense coached by Nick Saban in his prime. Chances are he'd never be the same afterwards and would be lucky to find a starting position at some garbage G5 program.

Nice allusion.  Counterpoint (but in the pros):  Troy Aikman went 1-15 in his first season with the Cowboys.

Not that I disagree that Sark might have been loathe to throw Arch out there, I think that's a big part of his decision, whether Arch was ready or not.

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1 minute ago, statsman said:

Posted before, but Klatt’s podcast on the UGA game, right after, said (paraphrase) “There are two reasons to pull a quarterback- to replace him, or to give him a chance to collect himself. Sark’s pulling of Ewers was the latter, but…each of Sark, Ewers and Manning knew that if Manning played well, Ewers wasn’t going back in.”

I agree with Klatt, with a caveat. I think Sark knew how things were going to go. But I don't think he wastes learning opportunities, and I think pulling Ewers gave him a chance to let Ewers reset but to also show Arch (and the fanbase) that Arch wasn't ready for prime time. That Arch isn't some savior. He's literally saying "let me show you why you're not starting. You don't want this smoke week in and week out." I'm sure he has it in the back of his mind that Arch's legs or deep ball might turn the tide, but that was unlikely and would have been a pretty nice problem to have were it true.

If you remember the spring game a couple of years ago, Sark did the same thing - he put a freshman Manning in against our ones on defense. The deck was stacked against him and Manning struggled, understandably. But it also showed everyone that Arch wasn't going to come in and take the job from Ewers. With Ewers, Murphy, and Manning on the roster, that room could have fallen apart in 2023, but it didn't. I will admit there were times that I wish Sark would pull Ewers - most notably the Kentucky game. But I'm capable of cooling off and letting it go. I might second guess my betters, but you have to be able to move on when they show you they're right. 

Much of this is speculation on my part and I will fully admit that i wear burnt orange glasses. But the guy knows how to manage that room. Scottish timepiece or whatever his name is definitely doesn't. 

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2 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I think pulling Ewers gave him a chance to let Ewers reset but to also show Arch (and the fanbase) that Arch wasn't ready for prime time. That Arch isn't some savior. He's literally saying "let me show you why you're not starting. You don't want this smoke week in and week out." I'm sure he has it in the back of his mind that Arch's legs or deep ball might turn the tide, but that was unlikely and would have been a pretty nice problem to have were it true.

This is crazy talk. 

 

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16 minutes ago, statsman said:

Posted before, but Klatt’s podcast on the UGA game, right after, said (paraphrase) “There are two reasons to pull a quarterback- to replace him, or to give him a chance to collect himself. Sark’s pulling of Ewers was the latter, but…each of Sark, Ewers and Manning knew that if Manning played well, Ewers wasn’t going back in.”

I agree 100%. If you are in the camp that Manning should have become the starter last year, Sark gave him that opportunity. Sure, it was under extremely challenging circumstances, but the door was opened.  

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24 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Getting thrown to the wolves too early can permanently destroy a QB'S confidence. It's a far fetched scenario but imagine if you will a 5-star freshman QB having to play meaningful snaps against an elite defense coached by Nick Saban in his prime. Chances are he'd never be the same afterwards and would be lucky to find a starting position at some garbage G5 program.

Counterpoint: Trevor Lawrence. He played very well as a freshman and then went on to beat Bama in the National Championship game the following year. I think it's old school to think that the freshman QBs can't handle the pressure. If they are as talented as Arch and the QB1 is holding the team back, I think it makes sense to give the freshman an accelerated development plan.

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5 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

I agree 100%. If you are in the camp that Manning should have become the starter last year, Sark gave him that opportunity. Sure, it was under extremely challenging circumstances, but the door was opened.  

Sure. In a similar situation, 20 years earlier, in an ESPN gameday bout with peak KSU, RS freshman VY came in and did just enough to lead the Horns to victory (along with an excellent defense). I was there- Texas didn’t light up the scoreboard, but the offense was clearly better with VY in than with Mock at QB, even though it was clearly a more limited offense. 

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9 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Counterpoint: Trevor Lawrence. He played very well as a freshman and then went on to beat Bama in the National Championship game the following year. I think it's old school to think that the freshman QBs can't handle the pressure. If they are as talented as Arch and the QB1 is holding the team back, I think it makes sense to give the freshman an accelerated development plan.

I think Quinn Ewers is quite a bit better than Kelly Bryant was.

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Imagine thinking Sark put Arch in to teach him and the fanbase a lesson. 

1) People do things for multiple reasons. Sometimes you do something that will accomplish an desired outcome and maybe achieves secondary and tertiary desired outcomes, despite being less likely. As I noted, the man has done it before in other situations. 

2) I fully admit that I am speculating and wearing my Bevo-lenses. Don't miss the forest for the trees. 

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8 minutes ago, statsman said:

Sure. In a similar situation, 20 years earlier, in an ESPN gameday bout with peak KSU, RS freshman VY came in and did just enough to lead the Horns to victory (along with an excellent defense). I was there- Texas didn’t light up the scoreboard, but the offense was clearly better with VY in than with Mock at QB, even though it was clearly a more limited offense. 

I was there too.  I remember Vince twisting his ankle and it looked Gumby-esque.  He ended up running for something like 75 yards.

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19 minutes ago, statsman said:

Sure. In a similar situation, 20 years earlier, in an ESPN gameday bout with peak KSU, RS freshman VY came in and did just enough to lead the Horns to victory (along with an excellent defense). I was there- Texas didn’t light up the scoreboard, but the offense was clearly better with VY in than with Mock at QB, even though it was clearly a more limited offense. 

I remember it well.  The complexity of the offense doesn't mean much when the other team can't really stop it.  

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17 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

I think Quinn Ewers is quite a bit better than Kelly Bryant was.

Kelly Bryant led Clemson to a 12-2 record and a playoff berth, similar to what Quinn did for us. Both of them benefited from a strong team around them, not the other way around. It was bold of Dabo to replace an experienced Bryant with an unproven freshman. Saban did the same with Tua. That's why these two coaches had so much success.

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