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5 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

That is not it with Quinn.  We have had plenty of players that have the same politics.  Including legends like Colt and Shipley that everyone loves.

Quinn was a very highly rated QB who too many times was one of the worst starting players on offense.  That's the issue with him.

...and did so with one of the best defenses we've ever had at Texas.

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This thread has taken an odd twist.  But it’s entertaining.  I almost hope it lives forever.

And I think Quinn represents what many fans and even experts struggle with when it comes to sports.  It may also be Sarks limiting factor to get over the hump.  I believe Sark was still on the mantra of “he can make all the throws” when the draft happened.  That ASU throw on 4th and 13 was a great counter to that.  The throw itself was far from great but the result was great.  Any college QB can make that throw in practice.  It was the presnap work that made the play. And it was catchable, which is all that was needed in that moment.
 

We are at a point in which we need to make best use of our resources.  We don’t need all the throws.  Just get those resources opportunities.  The consistency of that effort makes it work.

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17 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

This thread has taken an odd twist.  But it’s entertaining.  I almost hope it lives forever.

And I think Quinn represents what many fans and even experts struggle with when it comes to sports.  It may also be Sarks limiting factor to get over the hump.  I believe Sark was still on the mantra of “he can make all the throws” when the draft happened.  That ASU throw on 4th and 13 was a great counter to that.  The throw itself was far from great but the result was great.  Any college QB can make that throw in practice.  It was the presnap work that made the play. And it was catchable, which is all that was needed in that moment.
 

We are at a point in which we need to make best use of our resources.  We don’t need all the throws.  Just get those resources opportunities.  The consistency of that effort makes it work.

mentioned this is the fall camp, but fits here. On the netflix SEC show Elko says that Texas throws more passes 5 yards or less than anyone in the country. That speaks a lot louder than Sark's words. 

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20 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

This thread has taken an odd twist.  But it’s entertaining.  I almost hope it lives forever.

And I think Quinn represents what many fans and even experts struggle with when it comes to sports.  It may also be Sarks limiting factor to get over the hump.  I believe Sark was still on the mantra of “he can make all the throws” when the draft happened.  That ASU throw on 4th and 13 was a great counter to that.  The throw itself was far from great but the result was great.  Any college QB can make that throw in practice.  It was the presnap work that made the play. And it was catchable, which is all that was needed in that moment.
 

We are at a point in which we need to make best use of our resources.  We don’t need all the throws.  Just get those resources opportunities.  The consistency of that effort makes it work.

That game never should have gotten to that point. It should have been well in hand by then. Watching the offense last year was bad for my heart.

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Ok, now that the victory laps are over, what should still be a discussion is not whether or not Quinn sucks (he does) or if he will last any length of time in the NFL (it's highly likely he won't).  It should be, "When NFL talent evaluators could so clearly see Quinn's shortcomings, why couldn't or wouldn't Sark?"

It's pretty obvious now that we should have prepared Arch more and at least used him when Quinn was struggling if not named him the starter after the first GA game.  Would we have finished better?  I dunno, our offensive line was exposed against teams with dominant D lines.  But I don't think there is any debate that Arch is better equipped to perform with an offensive line that isn't providing great protection.

I dunno what blinders Sark had on, but I am glad the temptation to rely on Ewers has been removed from him.

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Just now, Codaxx said:

mentioned this is the fall camp, but fits here. On the netflix SEC show Elko says that Texas throws more passes 5 yards or less than anyone in the country. That speaks a lot louder than Sark's words. 

I saw that.  The board harped on the checkdowns/short passing game quite a bit during the season.  It’s also a counter to “make all the throws” because at some point the defense will gameplan and react to what you’re doing rather than what you theoretically can do.

With respect to Quinn and checking down, it is possible he was doing as instructed even if he was a bit quick in doing so.  It may be a reach but with the expanded schedule Sark was conscious of not extending his defense too much.  So did that make him more conservative in looking to extend drives over quick strikes?

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7 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

That game never should have gotten to that point. It should have been well in hand by then. Watching the offense last year was bad for my heart.

Agreed.

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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

If anything, Derka understated the NFL talent Ewers played with.  He couldn’t have known about Golden, Cam Williams, Helm, Sanders, and Blue.  Not to mention late round guys like  Majors and Connor.  We were absolutely stacked.  Far cry from 2009 where Colt played with what, a fourth round WR (who was a college badass)?

By drafted talent, Ewers had a much better supporting cast than Vince.  
 

Bijan, Brooks, Roschon, Blue, Golden, Mitchell, Worthy, Whittington, Sanders, Helm, Banks, Williams, Christian Jones, Majors, Connor, DJ Campbell versus Cedric, Jamaal, Sweed, Pittman, Scaife, Thomas, Blalock, Studdard, Sendlein, Scott, Allen.  

Most people knew Sanders was a stud

 

Remember when Quinn was missing worthy by four yards and we thought it was worthy’s fault?  Something has always been off. Yes, he had made some great throws but every qb has

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14 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Ok, now that the victory laps are over, what should still be a discussion is not whether or not Quinn sucks (he does) or if he will last any length of time in the NFL (it's highly likely he won't).  It should be, "When NFL talent evaluators could so clearly see Quinn's shortcomings, why couldn't or wouldn't Sark?"

It's pretty obvious now that we should have prepared Arch more and at least used him when Quinn was struggling if not named him the starter after the first GA game.  Would we have finished better?  I dunno, our offensive line was exposed against teams with dominant D lines.  But I don't think there is any debate that Arch is better equipped to perform with an offensive line that isn't providing great protection.

I dunno what blinders Sark had on, but I am glad the temptation to rely on Ewers has been removed from him.

Given the health issues in the  Miami QB room, I think Quinn was a reasonable late round draft gamble for them. To use a poker analogy, holding 7s and 8s pre-flop and calling a pot odds bet is a solid poker. It has a lot of ways to lose but it's a gamble worth taking particularly if you are already short stacked in a tournament game.

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LOL, this thread might rival any thread in the Cloak Room for worst in history of this site.   How the F are people still arguing about Quinn.

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3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

LOL, this thread might rival any thread in the Cloak Room for worst in history of this site.   How the F are people still arguing about Quinn.

You're suprised that people are still talking about one of the 3 highest rated QBs ever to come to Texas and who also took us to 2 CFPs. Breaking news, we still talk about VY.

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Just now, BurntEyes said:

You're suprised that people are still talking about one of the 3 highest rated QBs ever to come to Texas and who also took us to 2 CFPs. Breaking news, we still talk about VY.

Yes, I'm surprised we're ranked #1 playing #2/3 OSU in 2 weeks and people are wasting bandwidth arguing about a former player, but probably shouldn't be.

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

Yes, I'm surprised we're ranked #1 playing #2/3 OSU in 2 weeks and people are wasting bandwidth arguing about a former player, but probably shouldn't be.

That's 2 weeks from now, just 3 days ago Quinn pissed down his leg in preseason and showed everything that made him be average af for us.

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

Yes, I'm surprised we're ranked #1 playing #2/3 OSU in 2 weeks and people are wasting bandwidth arguing about a former player, but probably shouldn't be.

You do know there are posts on a lot of different Longhorn NFL players and how they are doing in the preseason camps. It's not really surprising that were are discussing a Texas QB drafted THIS year facing his first NFL camp. But hey, I find discussing Facebook posts weird and thats a pretty popular thread too.

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12 minutes ago, Skipper said:

LOL, this thread might rival any thread in the Cloak Room for worst in history of this site.   How the F are people still arguing about Quinn.

The 2024 QB competition was RIGGED!!

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19 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

 

 

Remember when Quinn was missing worthy by four yards and we thought it was worthy’s fault?  Something has always been off. Yes, he had made some great throws but every qb has

I think someone had a bit of a theory about that.  I don’t recall it being well received.

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That game never should have gotten to that point. It should have been well in hand by then. Watching the offense last year was bad for my heart.
Was just about to post this. Yes, the kicker missed but that game was in the bag. Defense showed out and shut down one of the best RBs in the country. Even got a special teams touchdown. Offense was terrible more than not and Quinn with a terrible turnover that gave them life late. Defense wore down because the offense couldn't sustain anything.

I don't even think Quinn was better than David Ash, he just got propped up with all the NFL talent we had. How many games did we win because of Quinn? Not many at all. But seemingly every loss we had in the last 2 years was directly because of him and his inconsistent play.
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14 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

We salute you, Mr. "Posts in a thread to chastise others for talking about the subject of the thread". A real man of genius.

I don't know why anyone posts in this thread I'm currently posting in!!!

This thread should die! 

This tactic is as dumb as believing rage responding to social media rage influencers does anything other than support and promote said rage influencer. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

If Quinn was really that bad, what does it say about Arch that he didn't get the starting job?

This is such a stupid fucking argument. You sound like the mouth breather Aggies on Instagram in the comments section of any post mentioning Arch or Texas being ranked #1. “How can you be so obtuse”?

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It's much more likely that Quinn Ewers is pretty good. Great? No. But he can be serviceable NFL backup. I still believe he put the team in a better chance to win than Arch could have last season, mostly because of his experience. We hope Arch's legacy at Texas will surpass Quinn Ewers's but the bar is actually pretty high when you consider that he got to the semifinals twice in a row and in neither game was his team blown out.

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3 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It says nothing about Arch.  It may say something about Sarkisian.

This.  Why did Sark make Ewers his ride-or-die QB pick when NFL scouts evaluate him as barely worth a throwaway pick?  That's a valid question.

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... and we still ended up narrowly losing to the eventual national champion, in what was essentially the de facto NC game.

Sark was in a tough spot. How many times did we hear him say "This is Quinn's team"? And it also could have easily turned into a Simms/Applewhite disaster in the second half of the season. Ultimately I don't have a problem with how he handled it, although be prepared to hear a billion times this year "How was this guy on the bench last year??".

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

We hope Arch's legacy at Texas will surpass Quinn Ewers's but the bar is actually pretty high

If he doesn't it will be something injury related. 

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5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

... and we still ended up narrowly losing to the eventual national champion, in what was essentially the de facto NC game.

Sark was in a tough spot. How many times did we hear him say "This is Quinn's team"? And it also could have easily turned into a Simms/Applewhite disaster in the second half of the season. Ultimately I don't have a problem with how he handled it, although be prepared to hear a billion times this year "How was this guy on the bench last year??".

I hope you are right. But when people exaggerate how bad Quinn was, one of the implications of that school of thought is that Arch couldn't even leapfrog a bad QB, either because he's also a bad QB (which would fucking suck) or because Sark is a stubborn asshole that can't evaluate or develop QBs (which also would fucking suck).

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5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I hope you are right. But when people exaggerate how bad Quinn was, one of the implications of that school of thought is that Arch couldn't even leapfrog a bad QB, either because he's also a bad QB (which would fucking suck) or because Sark is a stubborn asshole that can't evaluate or develop QBs (which also would fucking suck).

He wasn't a bad QB. Any more than Jake Majors was a bad center or Gbenda was a bad LB. Pedestrian is probably a good word. That's a step up from mediocre right? That seems too harsh.

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I truly hope Arch and the offense are phenomenal and we score 80 pts per game, win the CFP and have to hear Derka and others yap about Ewers for the rest of time (see, for instance Simms vs Applewhite).  My fragile Ewers fanboi ego can take it.

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The real point here has moved on from "Is Quinn still hurt and, if so, will he snap out of it soon?" to "Will Quinn make a run in NFL" on the one hand, but also "WTF was Sark thinking, keeping Quinn on the field?"

I see it as possibly the head coach being an "Old QB" and giving the guy every possible break. Were I in Sark's place, I believe I'd see myself in Ewers' position rather than in Arch's. But even then, why would Sark not move along?

I was expecting to see Arch in UGa first game, as a lot of us were. I was not surprised when he came into the game. I was surprised when he didn't start the second half. I mean, he didn't exactly tear it up in his first-half performance, but at least he didn't eat massive amounts of shit.

 

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2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

mentioned this is the fall camp, but fits here. On the netflix SEC show Elko says that Texas throws more passes 5 yards or less than anyone in the country. That speaks a lot louder than Sark's words. 

 

2 hours ago, Had Enough said:

I saw that.  The board harped on the checkdowns/short passing game quite a bit during the season.  It’s also a counter to “make all the throws” because at some point the defense will gameplan and react to what you’re doing rather than what you theoretically can do.

With respect to Quinn and checking down, it is possible he was doing as instructed even if he was a bit quick in doing so.  It may be a reach but with the expanded schedule Sark was conscious of not extending his defense too much.  So did that make him more conservative in looking to extend drives over quick strikes?

I think the passes for 5 yards or less were high for two reasons - one it was by design, an extension of the running game especially with an ineffective inside running game and ineffective redzone running game. The second reason is QE checked down often, maybe too often. He may have been forced to check down because the secondary is shutting down the deeper routes because of no real running threat (QE isn't a scrambler) and more passing downs because of ineffective running on 1st and 2nd down to give third and short situations.

what I think is going to happen this year is the exact opposite with AM running and tossing it deep, but I do think at times we are going to wish AM would check down more often.

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6 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Sark didn’t want to sink Quinn’s draft stock, which would have affected recruiting. Can’t ignore that as a factor.

This is my thoughts as well.  If he would have benched him, QE would likely have transferred and still playing CFB, and for a lot more than he is now.  

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29 minutes ago, Goredho said:

This.  Why did Sark make Ewers his ride-or-die QB pick when NFL scouts evaluate him as barely worth a throwaway pick?  That's a valid question.

because QB controversies rarely work out well, a merry go round would be a nightmare and it's unfair to a green, redshirt freshman to have him take over for an experienced QB that has won many games. because loyalty to an NFL caliber QB (he was drafted, everyone thought it would be higher to start the year) matters for all stakeholders especially future players, and because QE was actually good enough to win it all, twice. Sark fucked up play calling at times, WRs fucked up routes, D lapsed at halftime, RBs fumbled too much. you change TWO plays, maybe THREE plays the last two years and Texas is back-to-back national champions.  it really was that close (I am assuming its a foregone conclusion Texas beats Michigan two years ago and ND last year if we advanced).

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4 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Sark didn’t want to sink Quinn’s draft stock, which would have affected recruiting. Can’t ignore that as a factor.

It also sends the message that coddling takes precedent over actual talent. That Sark is willing to keep a better talented player on the bench so his lesser talented teacher's pet doesn't get his feelings hurt? The best talent should always be on the field, regardless of how this affects draft stock. Even keeping in Quinn the rest of the year didn't actually help him. Quinn's poor play tanked his draft stock. He would have been drafted around the same position no matter if he finished the year or not. NFL scouts watch these games through totally different lenses than we do. The jury was already out by the Georgia game, he just wasn't that great. This was very evident in the Washington semifinals game. 

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2 minutes ago, troph said:

because QB controversies rarely work out well, a merry go round would be a nightmare and it's unfair to a green, redshirt freshman to have him take over for an experienced QB that has won many games. because loyalty to an NFL caliber QB (he was drafted, everyone thought it would be higher to start the year) matters for all stakeholders especially future players, and because QE was actually good enough to win it all, twice. Sark fucked up play calling at times, WRs fucked up routes, D lapsed at halftime, RBs fumbled too much. you change TWO plays, maybe THREE plays the last two years and Texas is back-to-back national champions.  it really was that close (I am assuming its a foregone conclusion Texas beats Michigan two years ago and ND last year if we advanced).

Nick Saban had no issues taking out a struggling Hurts, who actually had real success unlike Quinn in the middle of the national championship game and they never looked back. Hurts had to transfer out because his job was lost. Quinn hit his ceiling here and it was painfully obvious we were handcuffed by him and would be the rest of the year. 

No idea what message Sark was trying to send Quinn by benching him for a few plays and he comes right back to take over. And then, that message didn't work because he didn't improve a lick after that game. Any pass more than 5 yards down the field left you holding your breath.

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5 hours ago, MuellerHorn said:

it’s not like you were the only one. 

nobody else took abuse like i did as shown in those screen shots. not even close. if allll of those people who said alllll of that wild shit to me didn’t exist, then neither would my screenshots of their personal attacks, which include mental health pot shots which i’m still receiving in this thread to this day. again, because of my football opinion, which again, has been proven correct.

i’ll repeat what i said in the post of mine which you neg repped: in what world does all of that ^^^ get to happen (and those screenshots were all from a handful of posts on one single page) with no push back, no issues, but i’m not allowed to respond at the end of the day when proven right? come on man. stop acting like im the one who’s out of line here.

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for all of the people who are incensed that i bumped those old posts which show that i was right all along and that i never deserved so many over the top personal attacks, i have a question:

what if i had been wrong? what if quinn won the heisman and was a first round pick? if people were bumping my old posts to shove them in my face, would you be mad at them? no, no you wouldn’t. so why are you so mad now? this is some “cult of personality” stuff. i’m critical of QE as a qb, and yet you react as if i’m criticizing you personally. why? go ahead and marinate on that.

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I don't give a shit that you bumped your own posts and posted screenshots. Fuck yeah, dude, get your credit. Wave your balls all over their fucking faces. 

But do in a way that isn't plaintive, and whining, and woe is fucking me. Over and Over again. Honestly, you can just post the pics, tag everyone in them, and then drop the mic, and anytime they say shit to you, just say "Just like you were right on Quinn Ewers." But that isn't what you do. You show up bitching and moaning about your mistreatment and personal attacks on an internet message board that you voluntarily participate in, for fuck's sake. 

"Nobody else took abuse like me."

a woman in a yellow suit and hat is standing in front of a door with the words `` dramatic soliloquy '' .

 

Well allow me to retort:

a man is holding his hands up and saying `` i don t care '' .

 

 

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28 minutes ago, troph said:

because QB controversies rarely work out well, a merry go round would be a nightmare and it's unfair to a green, redshirt freshman to have him take over for an experienced QB that has won many games. because loyalty to an NFL caliber QB (he was drafted, everyone thought it would be higher to start the year) matters for all stakeholders especially future players, and because QE was actually good enough to win it all, twice. Sark fucked up play calling at times, WRs fucked up routes, D lapsed at halftime, RBs fumbled too much. you change TWO plays, maybe THREE plays the last two years and Texas is back-to-back national champions.  it really was that close (I am assuming its a foregone conclusion Texas beats Michigan two years ago and ND last year if we advanced).

I can understand that thinking, and if we were just talking about the first GA game, I might agree with you, but… Looking at 2024 and the opportunity the team had had last year, we had 3 games against elite defenses where these truths were made blatantly obvious:

  • Our oline was not effective against elite defensive fronts
  • Against elite defensive fronts, our running game became largely nonexistent
  • Against elite defenses, the responsibility to manufacture offense would fall on the QB who would be operating under duress
  • Ewers was not very adept operating under duress and being the sole source of offense and would not be able to pull out victories under these conditions

3 games, 3 manifestations of the exact same problems, 3 opportunities to try a different QB who might have better success under those conditions, 3 choices to ride and ultimately die with Ewers, 1 missed opportunity to do everything you possibly could to try to bring a championship home.

What’s the definition of insanity?  I mean, I’m a Sark fan.  He is undoubtedly a good coach building a powerhouse here and I’m happy we have him.  It doesn’t mean he shits golden nuggets and farts rainbows and never makes mistakes.  Hindsight is 20/20, which is why you have retrospectives in attempt to be better the next time.  Here’s to Sark being less hand wavy than fans about his shortcomings in 2024.

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