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1 hour ago, troph said:

 No one on this thread buys his shit but that is a master class on propaganda. 

Yep.  Terrifying.  That is the kind of shit that will energize his moronic base and even potentially capture some swing voters.  Fuck me running.

19 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Other morons that maybe wouldn’t have voted glom onto the “he’s being persecuted” schtick. 

Yep.  They need to get this trial over with so he’s either locked up and can’t run or get on TV, or exonerated and can’t use the “I’m being persecuted” bit.

This is the worst I’ve felt about Trump potentially winning since 2020.

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

Fucking Fox News, man. Of course they’re not pro-Palestine protests, they’re “anti-Israeli protests.” I realize this isn’t the right thread for it but this is where I saw that and couldn’t help but mention it. There are Israelis who are opposed to the slaughter too. 

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Even if he goes to jail, they'd have a whole fucking wing dedicated to his fat ass.  I imagine he'd be able to order any kind of food he wants and dictate who is and isn't near him.  I'm pretty sure they'd also let him bring in furniture for his comfort.  This cunt will never suffer "prison". 

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2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Even if he goes to jail, they'd have a whole fucking wing dedicated to his fat ass.  I imagine he'd be able to order any kind of food he wants and dictate who is and isn't near him.  I'm pretty sure they'd also let him bring in furniture for his comfort.  This cunt will never suffer "prison". 

At least he’d only be ordering McDonalds and KFC.

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1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:


And she’s not even smart enough to be coy about doing it. She has no business on the bench.

Intelligence is a bug in the Trump ecosystem. 

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2 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

It would be fantastic if she's compelled to talk about his tiny dick under oath.

Maybe she'll state the truth, he's a Funguy.  

I'll see myself out...

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1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

It would be fantastic if she's compelled to talk about his tiny dick under oath.

Why stop with just this.  I would be happy if she said everything possible that could embarrass him.  Stuff like, "he only lasted 20 seconds", "I can't believe how fat his belly and man boobs are", or "he asked me to pee on him, but I refused because that is disgusting".  

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Trial about to resume.  Stormy, come on down!  (But first, a different witness)

 

The cross-examination is over. There will be some more questions from the prosecutor, Rebecca Mangold. But we are likely just minutes away from the testimony of Stormy Daniels.

Todd Blanche, one of Trump's lawyers, is now cross-examining Sally Franklin, leaning into his customary line of defense: distancing Trump from the book published under his own name and trying to suggest that Meredith McIver, the ghost-writer who worked for him, was behind the language, as opposed to Trump.

We have no idea how the jury is viewing any of this. But so far, Trump’s team isn’t offering an alternative narrative, but simply trying to knock at the prosecutors’ case.

There’s an irony here with Trump’s counsel trying to cast doubt over whether Trump wrote his own books. Trump himself has always insisted — falsely — that all of the words printed in his name are his. During the White House years, Trump aides would implausibly claim on the record that Trump’s speeches were written by him.

And this line of argument may be particularly hard to believe, given the way that Trump’s face is still smiling from the cover in the courtroom. An image like this is hard to forget, even as Blanche has turned to asking about the cover design.

Yesterday, Jeffrey McConney told a story about Trump having told him he was fired for not paying close attention to the check balances, though he was not actually fired. Now we’re hearing that same story from one of Trump’s books. The prosecution is using it to help shore up McConney’s credibility as a witness.

Now, Sally Franklin is walking the court through a chapter of a book in which Trump, in his own words, describes his frugality, including looking over bills to “make sure I’m not being overcharged.” The goal is to invalidate the idea that he could have been unaware of what he was paying Michael Cohen, or what the money was for.

The prosecution is effectively using Trump himself as a witness here. In his own words — as laid out in his books — Trump is describing how he keeps a focus on minute details and watches every penny that leaves his accounts, a core part of the prosecution’s case against him. He’s also describing how he sees sexual potential in random women that he encounters.

Trump may never testify in this trial. But it’s fascinating to watch prosecutors use his own words against him in this way. That smiling image of him on the book cover is the person testifying against him now: Past Trump putting Present Trump in jeopardy.

Trump’s voice has been heard in court before — in video statements shown to the jury last week, for instance — but his written words today, drawn from his books and being read into the record, could even be more damning. He discusses his tendencies towards revenge, flirtatious behavior and frugality. “Even in high-end shops, I bargain,” he wrote. “I hate paying retail.”


Rebecca Mangold, the prosecutor, is prompting Sally Franklin to read Trump’s written words from these books, including the following passages: “For many years, I’ve said that if someone screws you, screw them back,” and, “When somebody hurts you, just go after them as viciously and as violently as you can. Like it says in the Bible, an eye for an eye.”

And now, we’re hearing a quote that says: “All the women on ‘The Apprentice’ flirted with me." This helps prosecutors address the argument that the defense is expected to make regarding Stormy Daniels: That she only knew Trump through her efforts to get on the show. But as this excerpt suggests — that doesn’t mean that Trump would not have been interested in a more intimate relationship. In fact, the quote suggests, he took special interest in the women who were on, and sought to be on, the show.

We’ve talked a lot during this trial about Trump treating his own words as disposable commodities, intended for single use. But other people don’t view them that way, and here, his throwaway lines in a book that was one of many he churned out in the 2000s are being used as evidence of guilt in his trial.

Around the time this book was published in 2004, Trump was churning out books so quickly that they were almost indistinguishable. His aide while writing this particular one was Meredith McIver, a Trump Organization official who briefly became famous in 2016 when the Trumps accused her of being the reason Melania Trump’s speech at the Republican National Convention plagiarized an earlier speech by Michelle Obama.

The prosecutor and Franklin are having a lengthy back and forth over what percentage of the cover the word “Trump” takes up.


Sally Franklin is a custodial witness — meaning that she is here to enter evidence that Trump's lawyers have not agreed to allow in — and she will testify about two books that Trump wrote, including “Trump: How to Get Rich” and “Trump: Think Like a Billionaire,” both of which were published by Ballantine, a Penguin Random House imprint.

The cover of one of the books, “How to Get Rich,” is being displayed for the jury, the lawyers and the defendant, leaving Trump staring at a smiling portait of himself.

Trump, who seconds ago was glaring furiously in the courtroom, is being shown to the court smiling innocently, almost cheesily, on a book cover that includes the tagline: “Big deals from the star of The Apprentice.”

The book is described on Amazon as a tell-all “about the lessons learned from The Apprentice,” as well as “his most important role, as a father who has successfully taught his children the value of money and hard work.”


The first witness is Sally Franklin, who works at Penguin Random House, a publisher.

Susan Necheles, Trump's lawyer, said earlier that they had been told Stormy Daniels will be second.

The jurors are coming in now. Most of the jurors bow their heads as they pass Trump en route to the jury box. The first witness is being called and it isn’t Stormy Daniels.

During jury selection, Justice Merchan prioritized the jury. But in the excitement of the trial, he has made a very minor error three separate times: He keeps forgetting to have the jurors called in. It’s a testament to the atmosphere here, especially today on this very, very intense day.

Susan Hoffinger, a prosecutor, clarifies that Stormy Daniels will not describe “genitalia.” This was — amazingly, given the defendant is a former president — an open question.

Justice Merchan concedes that Daniels’s may have “credibility issues,” but that its up to the jury to determine that.

Merchan, strikingly, seems a little nervous.

Even though Stormy Daniels’s name hasn’t yet been called, we are already right into it. The implication of this argument is that Daniels will testify about having had sex with Trump. Susan Hoffinger, a prosecutor, is arguing that these details are key to the case — and that this issue has already been settled. She says that details that are too salacious will not be admitted, but that the story is “significant” and important to prosecutors in terms of Daniels’s credibility.

Trump keeps trying to talk to Susan Necheles, his lawyer, as prosecutors argue why they should be able to question Daniels on “some details” and Necheles objects. Instead, he talks to another lawyer, Todd Blanche.


Susan Necheles, one of Trump's lawyer, begins by objecting to Stormy Daniels testifying, including “any details” of any “sexual act.”

One of Trump's lawyers, Susan Necheles, appears to be taking her seat to Trump’s right — suggesting she will be the one to cross-examine Stormy Daniels.

Donald Trump did not answer reporters’s questions about why he deleted his Truth Social post from this morning, about how his lawyers hadn't had time to prepare for the next witness. Instead, he fell back on his usual practice of reading criticism that others have made about the prosecution's case and the trial.

Trump has just walked into court, looking somber. So does his normally smiling lawyer, Todd Blanche. Eric Trump, his son, is back, as are Alina Habba and Boris Epshteyn. Trump is taking an unusual amount of time to survey the gallery.

There are approximately 35 members of the public in the overflow courtroom. They are whispering excitedly as they wait for court to start, and they likely stood in line outside for hours this morning. It’s possible they may not know about Stormy Daniels’s imminent testimony as the court officers have reminded them, several times, to put their phones away. I expect we’ll see some kind of reaction from them when the prosecutors announce her name.



As the prosecutors walk in, we wanted to clarify that we are calling Stormy Daniels by that name — rather than her birth name, Stephanie Clifford — because it is what she prefers. In fact, she has legally changed her name to Stormy Daniels.

It is not clear what Stormy Daniels will testify about. Though the hush-money payment to her is at the center of the case, she was not directly involved in what prosecutors say were Trump’s efforts to cover up her account. Today, on the stand, she could tell her story from the beginning — meaning the story of having had sex with Trump in 2006, which he has always denied — or just stick to talking about how she received the $130,000 payment from Michael Cohen.

So two major questions as we await her arrival are: 1. Why is she here? and 2. Is it worth it for the prosecution? That second question is will be particularly interesting once defense lawyers begin to question Daniels.

This is the first time Trump will have to be face to face with Daniels and hear her accusations. He has continued to deny that an affair took place. This trial, unlike the other three criminal trials he’s facing, is personal for him in a very specific way, and Daniels has spoken about him and his physicality publicly in a humiliating manner.

The courtroom, which felt frenzied just moments ago, has grown quiet with about a half hour to go before the day starts. None of the lawyers are here yet — the only people in the front of the room are court personnel, including at least one court reporter, already seated below the bench.

It was clear this morning before the courtroom opened that today would be different. Many reporters anticipated that Stormy Daniels was likely the next witness, and the lines formed earlier.


There's a very full courtroom today, with dozens of reporters packed to the very back, and a row of members of the public. Anticipation for Stormy Daniels's testimony is rising.

Stormy Daniels, the porn star at the heart of Trump’s hush money trial is in the courthouse and is expected to testify today.

Daniels is in an anteroom inside the Criminal Courts Building in Lower Manhattan, where she is set to testify for the prosecution.

The witness Trump was referring to could have been Stormy Daniels. She is expected to appear as early as Tuesday.


Good morning. We are heading into the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse. Trump posted on Truth Social an angry message saying he had just learned who the next witness is and that his lawyers had “no time” to prepare. Within thirty minutes, Trump had removed the post, likely because it risked prosecutors saying it violated the gag order.

The fact that Trump deleted the post suggests there were some heated conversations behind the scenes with his lawyers. Trump hates deleting posts — he sees it as a sign of weakness — and has often resisted taking down even the most incendiary posts. He was ordered to delete several last week as one of the punishments for violating his gag order. One previous exception to Trump’s personal rule of never taking down posts was last year, when he posted a story on Truth Social that had an image of a baseball bat next to the head of Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan D.A. who brought this case. He deleted the post after private pleading from his attorneys.

 

 

 

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She may be dumb but she’s also totally in the bag for Trump. 

I thought that’s what was implied?

Obvious shill is obvious.

It really shines a light on how important judicial appointments are. The left really needs to do a better job of cultivating jurists and placing them. The right has been very successful at it and it’s set out jurisprudence back decades. A century in some cases.
Intelligence is a bug in the Trump ecosystem. 

They’re indifferent to it.

Loyalty is the only test for tfg.
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Trumps legal team was given a list of witnesses that are testifying and should have prepared for them.

They are not being extended the customary curtesy of who is testifying next due to their clients proven proclivity to attack the witness via social media 

 

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3 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:



It really shines a light on how important judicial appointments are. The left really needs to do a better job of cultivating jurists and placing them. The right has been very successful at it and it’s set out jurisprudence back decades. A century in some cases.
They’re indifferent to it.
 

I think in years past the right and left have been very good at appointing justices from the Supreme Court down to lower-level courts that have the same philosophies as them (Pro Life, Pro Choice, tough on crime, etc...).  What Trump seems to have from judges is straight loyalty to him.  I can't imagine when Reagan appointed Sandra Day O'Connor that she was like, "hey, if this Iran contra deal gets you in trouble, don't worry.  I will make sure you are safe".  It shows the true flaw in our justice system and of course it took 200 years for us to get someone like Trump who really knew how to take advantage of it.  

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7 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I thought that’s what was implied?

Obvious shill is obvious.

Oh, for sure. I was just saying it for the lawyerly folks who like to insist she’s just dumb. 

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The judge never explicitly warned Trump he would be jailed if he did it again until the hearing on the nine contempt charges. The judge then spent time saying what was appropriate and what was not, so there would be no mistake about what he expected.   This is all a precursor to the inevitable jail time, but was absolutely necessary to remove multiple avenues of appeal.  
I’ve already explained that there were contempt allegations brought before the judge told Trump what he could and could not do - and that he would be jailed if he did it again.  Today’s contempt allegations could not be considered in jailing him because they were all turned in before Trump was warned by the judge and told in detail what would not be allowed. 
Your post where the judge tells Trump three times do it again and you are  going to jail - and then doesn’t - is bullshit.  Just don’t make up stuff about the trial.  Others read this thread for actual news. 
I will bet a C-Note right now that Trump gets jailed before this thing is over. Feel free to accept. Loser donates to Surly. 

So that is how the legal system works now? I thought ignorance of the law wasn’t an excuse, but i guess ignorance of procedure is?

To some of us outsiders your industry is a fucking farce, under an obviously corrupt supreme court.
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2 minutes ago, locodos said:

mycelia what you did there

Well Trump has always been Hyphae the man he used to be.  If he even ever was one.  

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15 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Trumps legal team was given a list of witnesses that are testifying and should have prepared for them.

 

they're too busy babysitting him and trying to keep him out of jail.

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3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What are her “credibility issues?”

probably because she took money to keep her mouth shut. 

2 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I mean, I know where Clinton shot his load, so why can't I know where Trump did?  Is that considered crass now?  

it would be funny but I bet she's only there to confirm the relationship and how she got paid off to be quiet.

oh and Trump has taken down that Truth post about the trial today.

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26 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I think in years past the right and left have been very good at appointing justices from the Supreme Court down to lower-level courts that have the same philosophies as them (Pro Life, Pro Choice, tough on crime, etc...).  What Trump seems to have from judges is straight loyalty to him.  I can't imagine when Reagan appointed Sandra Day O'Connor that she was like, "hey, if this Iran contra deal gets you in trouble, don't worry.  I will make sure you are safe".  It shows the true flaw in our justice system and of course it took 200 years for us to get someone like Trump who really knew how to take advantage of it.  

And the perfect storm of getting THREE fucking SCOTUS appointments. Because of course 

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56 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

For those constantly arguing lack of repercussions, remember that the late notice of who is testifying on any given day is a direct repercussion for his inability to shut the fuck up about witnesses, and it makes it quite a bit more difficult for his attorneys. Don is actually correct that it’s pretty unprecedented sanction, because it is pretty unprecedented for a criminal defendant with broad reach to constantly bitch and moan and threaten witnesses. I think this was somewhat common in mob trials and not much since. It’s a significant sanction based on his inability to act like a normal human being.

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4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

For those constantly arguing lack of repercussions, remember that the late notice of who is testifying on any given day is a direct repercussion for his inability to shut the fuck up about witnesses, and it makes it quite a bit more difficult for his attorneys. Don is actually correct that it’s pretty unprecedented sanction, because it is pretty unprecedented for a criminal defendant with broad reach to constantly bitch and moan and threaten witnesses. I think this was somewhat common in mob trials and not much since. It’s a significant sanction based on his inability to act like a normal human being.

We're all going out for ice cream Timmy, but we are not telling you where!

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16 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I mean, I know where Clinton shot his load, so why can't I know where Trump did?  Is that considered crass now?  

"Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go far...."

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34 minutes ago, The Dog said:

probably because she took money to keep her mouth shut. 

It it's shut, how does she catch the "load"?  And by that I mean the sad pour of spores.  (dibs on band name) 

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:


So that is how the legal system works now? I thought ignorance of the law wasn’t an excuse, but i guess ignorance of procedure is?

To some of us outsiders your industry is a fucking farce, under an obviously corrupt supreme court.

Some lawyers, particularly those with a longer history of practicing while believing in the system, have a hard time accepting this. It doesn't help that for most of us, our day-to-day work is still very much engaging with a real practice in a real system with real rules and consequences for us and our clients. 

But yeah, if you're rich enough and/or socially or politically powerful enough, the law is mostly a farce. Some lawyers will try to argue it isn't because look, he's in trial right now, facing consequences. But I think the honest, true response to that is that this isn't the legal system working as intended at all; this trial is only happening because it finally became politically advantageous for a New York prosecutor to charge Trump with some of the fucking tens of thousands of felonies he has committed in New York.  It's the same story in Georgia. And as for the federal charges, we can all see what Cannon and the Supreme Court are doing to those prosecutions.

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41 minutes ago, Nivek said:

It wasn't a perfect storm.  It was a corruption by Mitch McConnell and his friends.   

Also, a strategic retirement from Kennedy. Which Democrats for some fucking reason absolutely refuse to consider for themselves.

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20 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Todd Blanche, one of Trump's lawyers, complains to Justice Merchan that the defense only learned who the prosecution's next witness would be 30 minutes ago. The prosecutors' lack of trust toward the defense team is underscored here.

Prosecutors suggested early on that they did not trust Trump with the knowledge of which witnesses were being called in advance — a professional courtesy in many trials — because of worries that he would attack them on social media.

 

19 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Mob shit.

Yes, and if it is a "professional courtesy" and your client has already been sanctioned 10 times and threatened with jail for witness tampering it probably comes off as whining.

11 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This could actually be the case. It would fire up his moron minions, sure, but it could also show a shit ton of people that aren’t paying attention that he is actually a criminal fuck head. Maybe then they would get off their asses and vote. 
 

Or it could backfire spectacularly. Whatever. 

Either way I'm here for the Schadenfreude.

 

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