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Posted
5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm not sure even non-shitty, non-baby, non-partisan judges feel like they can tamp down on extrajudicial shrieking.  You don't see it from Engoron in Manhattan.  You probably won't see much of it from Chutkan, either.

You also don't see those judges giving trumpco their preferred argument to dismiss the matter, and those other judges don't have a very real and recent history of judicially overstepping their authority to benefit defendant trump. 

I don't think we're going to see nearly the same degree of shrieking from Chutkan because he's not going to give oxygen and legitimacy to trumpco. Aileen has, is, and will continue to okeydoke trumpco. We just can't ascertain if it's because she's an inexperienced noob in over her head, or if it's a continuation of her past behavior. 

Either way, it is abundantly clear that her presiding over this case was the most favorable possible placement for trump. Weird how that keeps happening in fascist florida 

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12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You also don't see those judges giving trumpco their preferred argument to dismiss the matter, and those other judges don't have a very real and recent history of judicially overstepping their authority to benefit defendant trump. 

I don't think we're going to see nearly the same degree of shrieking from Chutkan because he's not going to give oxygen and legitimacy to trumpco. Aileen has, is, and will continue to okeydoke trumpco. We just can't ascertain if it's because she's an inexperienced noob in over her head, or if it's a continuation of her past behavior. 

Either way, it is abundantly clear that her presiding over this case was the most favorable possible placement for trump. Weird how that keeps happening in fascist florida 

I dunno about that. Judges often telegraph their thoughts/leanings. Sometimes more obviously than others. It doesn’t mean they’ve chosen a side necessarily; it usually just offers a window into what’s on their minds. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

People in the United States are not detained pretrial because of pretrial publicity they generate, no matter how bad.

That really would be a First Amendment violation.

What happens in the United States is that a defendant runs his or her mouth, eventually gets a gag order from the judge, gets fined for violating it in increasing amounts, and maybe ultimately jailed for a short period, possibly repeatedly.

 

The more I think about it, the more I believe Trump's strategy(??) is to eventually be thrown in jail pretrial.  This will feed his narrative that he is being treated "so unfairly" and that the judge is crooked and an Anti-trumper.  He will keep pushing the envelope and the judge will give him as much leash as possible, but eventually the judge will have her hand forced and she will have to react.  Then the howling from Trump and the right will kick into overdrive and Fox/NewsMax will eat it up and 30-45% of the country will believe it.   This will introduce a component of chaos into the election which Trump hopes will change the game.   It is idiotic, but kinda smart considering the 96% chance he is convicted if he just follows the rules.  

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

The more I think about it, the more I believe Trump's strategy(??) is to eventually be thrown in jail pretrial.  This will feed his narrative that he is being treated "so unfairly" and that the judge is crooked and an Anti-trumper.  He will keep pushing the envelope and the judge will give him as much leash as possible, but eventually the judge will have her hand forced and she will have to react.  Then the howling from Trump and the right will kick into overdrive and Fox/NewsMax will eat it up and 30-45% of the country will believe it.   This will introduce a component of chaos into the election which Trump hopes will change the game.   It is idiotic, but kinda smart considering the 96% chance he is convicted if he just follows the rules.  

 Trump does not want to go to jail for any length of time. 

His defense strategy is to delay everything until after the election so that if he wins he can pardon himself. In fact, the entire reason he's running is to avoid jail. 

That's it.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 Trump does not want to go to jail for any length of time. 

His defense strategy is to delay everything until after the election so that if he wins he can pardon himself. In fact, the entire reason he's running is to avoid jail

That's it.

That's just a french benefit!

He wants his ego stroked and to play at being a great man on the world stage.

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Posted
3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

People in the United States are not detained pretrial because of pretrial publicity they generate, no matter how bad.

That really would be a First Amendment violation.

What happens in the United States is that a defendant runs his or her mouth, eventually gets a gag order from the judge, gets fined for violating it in increasing amounts, and maybe ultimately jailed for a short period, possibly repeatedly.

 

People are detained pre trial all the time if they pose a danger to the public and/or if they're a flight risk and Donald Trump meets both of those criteria. He's sending veiled threats to the prosecutor and egging his supporters to commit violence just like how he did before 1/6. That's posing a danger to public. He should be detained but they don't have the balls to do it. I doubt they have the balls even if he violates a protective order. 

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Posted
18 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 Trump does not want to go to jail for any length of time. 

His defense strategy is to delay everything until after the election so that if he wins he can pardon himself. In fact, the entire reason he's running is to avoid jail. 

That's it.

Exactly. He wants to delay the trials as long as possible and doesn't want to be sitting in jail that entire time. He just knows the DOJ doesn't have it in them to risk the outcry from his brainwashed idiots if he gets detained pre trial so he's not even concerned about it. 

Posted (edited)

Anyone have/seen some good informed speculation about why Judge Chutkan called for a hearing about the proposed protective order instead of simply ordering it from the bench, as Special Counsel had requested both in their motion and in their response?

The only guess I have, and it's a wag, is that she wants the opportunity to make it absolutely crystal clear to the defendant what the sanctions may be for violating it. (edited to add - in a way that would have been difficult in a written ruling)

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Anyone have/seen some good informed speculation about why Judge Chutkan called for a hearing about the proposed protective order instead of simply ordering it from the bench, as Special Counsel had requested both in their motion and in their response?

The only guess I have, and it's a wag, is that she wants the opportunity to make it absolutely crystal clear to the defendant what the sanctions may be for violating it. (edited to add - in a way that would have been difficult in a written ruling)

Good question, yeah, protective order questions are usually resolved on the briefing, as are most things in federal court.

She did short-circuit the motion/response time, which is usually 14 days, so maybe mitigating that by having a hearing.

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Posted
39 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

People are detained pre trial all the time if they pose a danger to the public and/or if they're a flight risk and Donald Trump meets both of those criteria. He's sending veiled threats to the prosecutor and egging his supporters to commit violence just like how he did before 1/6. That's posing a danger to public. He should be detained but they don't have the balls to do it. I doubt they have the balls even if he violates a protective order. 

The government has yet to contend that he's a flight risk in either of the two cases, and neither has Bragg.  Presumably because he's an election candidate and he thinks that's his best defense.

Danger to the public is a fairly illegitimate goal of pretrial detention to begin with, although it's used as a justification all the time.  We should know by now that speech has a long, long way to go before it is deemed a danger to the public.  Attempting to detain Trump pretrial on the basis of his speeches would be an absolute shit show, and probably rightfully.

Give him enough rope, though, and he might hang himself.

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Posted
1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 Trump does not want to go to jail for any length of time. 

His defense strategy is to delay everything until after the election so that if he wins he can pardon himself. In fact, the entire reason he's running is to avoid jail. 

That's it.

That's part of it. But I also believe at this point that he trult believes he deserves and will be the first King of America. He actually thinks he's going to transform this country into his fiefdom. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

That's part of it. But I also believe at this point that he trult believes he deserves and will be the first King of America. He actually thinks he's going to transform this country into his fiefdom. 

And he may not be wrong

Posted
28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The government has yet to contend that he's a flight risk in either of the two cases, and neither has Bragg.  Presumably because he's an election candidate and he thinks that's his best defense.

 

As long as he has secret service protection he's not a flight risk. 

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Posted
19 minutes ago, The Dog said:

As long as he has secret service protection he's not a flight risk. 


his detail is loyal to trump, not the secret service or this country 

Posted
21 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That's part of it. But I also believe at this point that he trult believes he deserves and will be the first King of America. He actually thinks he's going to transform this country into his fiefdom. 

 

 

Posted
1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:


his detail is loyal to trump, not the secret service or this country 

His "detail" are employees of the United States Secret Service. Stop this shit.

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That's part of it. But I also believe at this point that he trult believes he deserves and will be the first King of America. He actually thinks he's going to transform this country into his fiefdom. 
This, plus he now has a better understanding of the monetary value of the assets at his fingertips as POTUS and how a 2nd chance would make him a billionaire a hundred times over.
Posted
24 minutes ago, The Dog said:

His "detail" are employees of the United States Secret Service. Stop this shit.

You say that like it means they're exemplary characters. 

Posted
5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

He’s actually been getting away with crimes his entire life.

Really?

Show me the indictments on criminal charges that he's gotten away with.

Name the cases.

I'll wait.

Posted
14 hours ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

YMCA

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I can, and probably have, fapped to this.

If you know, you know.

 

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

That's part of it. But I also believe at this point that he trult believes he deserves and will be the first King of America. He actually thinks he's going to transform this country into his fiefdom. 

 

That's not just his goal. It's the GOP's goal. They've become a party centered around one man, and they know that they will never win another national election unless they take drastic action. So they're taking drastic action.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Really?

Show me the indictments on criminal charges that he's gotten away with.

Name the cases.

I'll wait.

Well, tax evasion, fraud, and rape to name three.  Just because he has not been charged does not mean the crimes weren't committed.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Not having been indicted for the many many crimes he's committed is actually how he's gotten away with them.

So they weren't actually crimes, then.

EDIT AAAAAAAAHHHH DELETE POST, NEG AWAY, BAN USER, THIS WAS STUPID

 

Unless you've got evidence to show for these that nobody's ever seen before.

1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Well, tax evasion, fraud, and rape to name three.  Just because he has not been charged does not mean the crimes weren't committed.

I mean, he did lose the case on rape, no?

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Posted
2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The government has yet to contend that he's a flight risk in either of the two cases, and neither has Bragg.  Presumably because he's an election candidate and he thinks that's his best defense.

Danger to the public is a fairly illegitimate goal of pretrial detention to begin with, although it's used as a justification all the time.  We should know by now that speech has a long, long way to go before it is deemed a danger to the public.  Attempting to detain Trump pretrial on the basis of his speeches would be an absolute shit show, and probably rightfully.

Give him enough rope, though, and he might hang himself.

We should all be WISHING he'd just skip off to a foreign land, never to return again. It won't be as satisfying as seeing him rot in prison but at this point, I'll take what I can get.

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Is it really your argument that Trump has never committed any crimes except those that he's now being charged for (and I presume you believe his actions in Georgia for which charges seem imminent were crimes)?

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We should all be WISHING he'd just skip off to a foreign land, never to return again. It won't be as satisfying as seeing him rot in prison but at this point, I'll take what I can get.

I would probably laugh myself to death if he fled to Russia.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

So they weren't actually crimes, then.

Unless you've got evidence to show for these that nobody's ever seen before.

I mean, he did lose the case on rape, no?

Is this a bit?  

A crime doesn't require indictment to occur.  And, the rape case was civil.  The results do seem to go to the point that he raped her, which is . . . a crime.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Not having been indicted for the many many crimes he's committed is actually how he's gotten away with them.

Yeah, that's why it ground my gears when Preet Bharara, among others, got self-righteous.  You had your chance mfers.  With Trump and a lot of others.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Are you really this fucking dumb? 

Well, as far as getting away with crimes once the judicial process is invoked, he's actually right.

I don't think Trump is or was alone in being unmolested by the criminal authorities on Manhattan island for the last 3-4 decades.  I'd kind of like to know why that is, in a little greater detail than "they didn't have the balls."

Posted
5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, as far as getting away with crimes once the judicial process is invoked, he's actually right.

The guy is saying it's not a crime if it doesn't go to trial.  Please tell me you don't agree.

Posted
2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, as far as getting away with crimes once the judicial process is invoked, he's actually right.

I don't think Trump is or was alone in being unmolested by the criminal authorities on Manhattan island for the last 3-4 decades.  I'd kind of like to know why that is, in a little greater detail than "they didn't have the balls."

Simple.  Money talks.  

Posted
13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, as far as getting away with crimes once the judicial process is invoked, he's actually right.

I don't think Trump is or was alone in being unmolested by the criminal authorities on Manhattan island for the last 3-4 decades.  I'd kind of like to know why that is, in a little greater detail than "they didn't have the balls."

It's partly because he bought off Cy Vance. Before Vance he was probably buying off his predecessors, or threatening them via his mob ties.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Rimbo is about to get into an argument with 10 posters about how actually unsolved murders aren't crimes at all or something.

Cut @Rimbo some slack.  It’s been a little warm here.

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Posted
2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

That's part of it. But I also believe at this point that he trult believes he deserves and will be the first King of America. He actually thinks he's going to transform this country into his fiefdom. 

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His defense strategy is to delay everything until after the election so that if he wins he can pardon himself. In fact, the entire reason he's running is to avoid jail. 

Ya’ll do not credit the grift $ from him running enough. 

 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Ya’ll do not credit the grift $ from him running enough. 

 

He loves money, but he's always had money. I think part of him thinks he'll always find a way to make more money. 

Versus a late 70's piece of shit narcisist who's gotten away with everything his entire life without consequences...yeah, I don't think it's a stretch to say he thinks he's a fucking god.

Posted
1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

 

I can, and probably have, fapped to this.

If you know, you know.

 

 

That's not just his goal. It's the GOP's goal. They've become a party centered around one man, and they know that they will never win another national election unless they take drastic action. So they're taking drastic action.

He's a sociopathic narcissist who's bedtime reading has been Mein Kampf. If you think it's a stretch to think that once tasking the power of the presidency, a fucking class A narcissist in his waning years wouldn't make the leap to thinking he's rightfully a King, I don't know what to tell you. And at this point, it's hard to know where Trump ends and the GOP begins. They can both want the same thing, they can both be true at the same time. 

59 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

So they weren't actually crimes, then.

Unless you've got evidence to show for these that nobody's ever seen before.

I mean, he did lose the case on rape, no?

This is a bad fucking take, and you're going to get drug for it, justifiably. You should mea culpa now. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

So they weren't actually crimes, then.

Unless you've got evidence to show for these that nobody's ever seen before.

I mean, he did lose the case on rape, no?

Stupid post is stupid

Posted
37 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The guy is saying it's not a crime if it doesn't go to trial.  Please tell me you don't agree.

No, no, TwiceHorn has the right idea.

He's never gotten indicted on criminal charges and gotten away with it.

Yes, it's a crime either way. Obviously.

But "getting away with it" because you were never charged, and "getting away with it" because you beat the rap, are entirely different things.

There's a lot of y'all who are acting like they're the same thing: "Because he has never been charged with his crimes before, he will get away with it now that he has been charged" is such a stupid argument.

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19 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

He's a sociopathic narcissist who's bedtime reading has been Mein Kampf. If you think it's a stretch to think that once tasking the power of the presidency, a fucking class A narcissist in his waning years wouldn't make the leap to thinking he's rightfully a King, I don't know what to tell you. And at this point, it's hard to know where Trump ends and the GOP begins. They can both want the same thing, they can both be true at the same time.

So you basically 100% agree with what I just said, then?

Posted
Just now, Rimbo said:

No, no, TwiceHorn has the right idea.

He's never gotten indicted on criminal charges and gotten away with it.

Yes, it's a crime either way. Obviously.

But "getting away with it" because you were never charged, and "getting away with it" because you beat the rap, are entirely different things.

There's a lot of y'all who are acting like they're the same thing: "Because he has never been charged with his crimes before, he will get away with it now that he has been charged" is such a stupid argument.

I think the more stupid argument is claiming you have to be charged for a crime to have occurred. But please tell everyone else how they are stupid

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Posted
1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Is this a bit?  

A crime doesn't require indictment to occur.  And, the rape case was civil.  The results do seem to go to the point that he raped her, which is . . . a crime.

 

1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Are you really this fucking dumb? 

 

46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The guy is saying it's not a crime if it doesn't go to trial.  Please tell me you don't agree.

 

6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Stupid post is stupid

Yep. Neg away.



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