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The other part I forgot to add is that his experience was also with a Rico case, which is fairly common here in Georgia as it relates to special grand juries.  Part of the reason RIco is used so effectively because once a criminal conspiracy is established, every person involved in the established conspiracy is responsible legally for everyone else's crimes.  It's most commonly used in drug cases and drug trafficking, but financial frauds and the like run along the same lines.

So for example:

1.  Drug Supplier A is involved in narcotics trafficking with Dealer A and Dealer B.  (Established conspiracy)

2.  Drug Dealer B kills rival Dealer C in a turf war (Murder 1)

3.  Drug Supplier A and Dealer A are now also criminally liable and are also charged with Murder 1, as well as all the drug charges.

The general teeth to this is that if you are in the mix with this, you'd better turn states evidence because now you might be on the hook for something in theory you had nothing to do with outside of the original criminal conspiracy, which is typically used in the plea deal.  So Dealer A turns states evidence and pleads to drug trafficking but has to testify against Supplier A and Dealer B.  Obviously, the legal consequences of Supplier A and Dealer B are significantly higher, but the prosecutor has an inside witness.

In his case, and I am doing this from memory and with really knowing the entire case, what he said surprised him was that they way the law reads, anyone remotely involved that failed to cooperate caught every charge.  How it turned out at trial I have no idea, but they all caught the full whack initially.  This had something to do with narcotics and laundering thru a church.  Basically, a street gang with an element operating under the guise of being a church.  

So bottom line, if this holds to form that I am familiar with (and to be sure, I am not an expert on this), if say for example Rudy did something illegal, even entirely of his own doing and not even with tacit approval of the group, it doesn't matter, because that crime is directly tied to the initial conspiracy, and therefore everyone involved in the conspiracy is criminally responsible for his actions and will be subsequently indicted as such. 

With all this in mind, and if all that holds to form, I expect that there will be lots of charges this week; and there will be lots of people indicted this week.  The people that didn't cut deals and were approached to do so are proper fucked as are the principal targets.  

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Jenna is so brave. I fully supported Lyin Mc Liarface trump through all his previous lies. But now that he's lyin about Puddin fingers I must firmly withdraw my support.

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6 hours ago, Foosters said:

Wesley Hunt is a massive piece of shit. Sold whatever soul he had to hop on the Trump train. Noticeably becoming a more vocal ally AFTER 1/6.

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3 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

Maybe if she gets convicted, the Texas State Bar will disbar her finally.  What do you think, @TwiceHorn?  I'm gonna go with no because the law profession seemingly has no standards for who can practice.


you have to a special kind of sleaze bag / dumb to get disbarred in Texas 

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4 hours ago, Born to Run said:

Jenna is so brave. I fully supported Lyin Mc Liarface trump through all his previous lies. But now that he's lyin about Puddin fingers I must firmly withdraw my support.

Meatball Ron is by far the best nickname trump ever came up with. It's his one stroke of success in his shit filled life. I mean one look at this guy and it's clear if "Meatball Ron" was pictured in the dictionary it would be that fucking goober head. 

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10 hours ago, Bodhi said:

Is Harrison Ford MAGA?  He would make a great first choice pilot.

Harrison Ford is most decidedly NOT MAGA.  He called Trump a son of a bitch and has explicitly stated that we need to stop electing people who don’t believe in science.  How dare you suggest Han Solo/Indiana Jones is MAGA.  Shame on you.

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6 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So are legal teams in the habit of doing things without the knowledge and approval of their client?

 

In those wild, carefree days of late 2020/early 2021, I'm assuming they operated freely without direct knowledge and approval from Trump, because they were "saving democracy".

 

 I figure it was more a directive from Trump to Rudy and superfriends to "do whatever you have to do, don't worry about the courts, and we will cover the costs"

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4 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 I figure it was more a directive from Trump to Rudy and superfriends to "do whatever you have to do, don't worry about the courts, and we will cover the costs deny ever knowing you when the shit hits the fan"

A little more like this.

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22 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Also

 

That’s Alicia Menendez. She was filling in last week for Nicolle Wallace who apparently has Covid. She’s using Trump’s full title like Nicolle always does. That’s Nicolle’s bit.

Alicia’s okay. She’s got kind of a buckteeth thing going on but it’s not too bad. A pair of oversized front…teeth…can be overlooked. She speaks well and really enunciates her consonants. She’s also got a nice sort of medium-low pitch to her voice, sort of sultry.

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I like her and am trying to show her in a flattering light. But for the sake of full disclosure, here’s a cap that gives a good look at her choppers. It’s not egregious but they’re there and you can hear it when she speaks. It’s a little bit like when someone with braces speaks. She’s speaking around them. Just an observation. I’m not trying to be cruel.

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17 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Sydney Powell went from a federal prosecutor who co-workers and work acquaintances have said showed no real interest in politics either way and worked a lot for women's rights to a complete nut job trying to overthrow the government for Donald Trump and a party that has hammered women's rights for decades. 

The power of the cult on the lost mind. 

We have seen this with so many people. It would be fascinating to watch, if it weren't so scary and disgusting. 

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Felony conviction for a serious crime is an almost automatic disbarment.  Texas Rules of Disciplinary Procedure. § 8.01, (Texas Center for Legal Ethics, 2023) from https://legalethicstexas.com/resources/rules/texas-rules-of-disciplinary-procedure/generally/ (last visited Aug 12, 2023)
Because, as usual on this matter, you are utterly and completely full of shit.  The Texas Bar Journal, around the staples, reports the disbarment or suspension of at least two attorneys a month and the discipline in other ways of at least a dozen more.  I'll be waiting for you to show equivalent revocation of licenses from any CPA regulatory body.
Also, Powell is being pursued by the Bar and you damn well know it.  Whether the Bar can win the lawsuit does not mean the profession has no standards.
ETA:  To wit, the most recent edition of the TBJ dedicates five pages to lawyer discipline, including two almost full pages of disbarments and suspensions, including five disbarments and six suspensions. https://lsc-pagepro.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?m=21412&i=794510&p=66&ver=html5 starting at page 518.


All that, but she still has a Texas law license.
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I still can’t figure out why, if the courts and various state and local governments won’t take a look at all of this evidence and proof, that they don’t just release it to the public for us all to see how corrupt the system is that is protecting all of this election interference/fraud. 

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18 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Also, Powell is being pursued by the Bar and you damn well know it.  Whether the Bar can win the lawsuit does not mean the profession has no standards.

ETA:  To wit, the most recent edition of the TBJ dedicates five pages to lawyer discipline, including two almost full pages of disbarments and suspensions, including five disbarments and six suspensions. https://lsc-pagepro.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?m=21412&i=794510&p=66&ver=html5 starting at page 518.

Goddamn every single disbarment is for mishandling of client funds or failing to be responsive to clients. Powell did neither of these things. I'd bet the SBOT finds a way to just oopsie whoopsie poopsie this one too, just like they already did. 

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10 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I still can’t figure out why, if the courts and various state and local governments won’t take a look at all of this evidence and proof, that they don’t just release it to the public for us all to see how corrupt the system is that is protecting all of this election interference/fraud. 

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They are going to need a bigger server for the Giglio production

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8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Goddamn every single disbarment is for mishandling of client funds or failing to be responsive to clients. Powell did neither of these things. I'd bet the SBOT finds a way to just oopsie whoopsie poopsie this one too, just like they already did. 

You can harm the profession and intentionally defraud the system it serves, but if you don't return phone calls it's your ass. 

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Jesus , Chewy, what part about “felony conviction” escapes you?
I mean she still has one today. What this mess has taught me is that lawyers get a bad rap for a good reason. Your profession has taken 'a vigorous defense' and turned it into a free for all. And if I had a law license, I'd be mad as hell about the damage this is doing to my profession, not crowing that she'll finally lose her license upon conviction.
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4 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Harrison Ford is most decidedly NOT MAGA.  He called Trump a son of a bitch and has explicitly stated that we need to stop electing people who don’t believe in science.  How dare you suggest Han Solo/Indiana Jones is MAGA.  Shame on you.

The joke was he wanted Harrison Ford to be the pilot. He’s a notoriously “error-prone” pilot and should’ve had his license taken away. I think he’s landed twice on the taxiway and multiple other fuckups.

https://www.wideopencountry.com/rare-harrison-ford-airplane/

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Jesus , Chewy, what part about “felony conviction” escapes you?
I mean she still has one today. What this mess has taught me is that lawyers get a bad rap for a good reason. Your profession has taken 'a vigorous defense' and turned it into a free for all. And if I had a law license, I'd be mad as hell about the damage this is doing to my profession, not crowing that she'll finally lose her license upon conviction.
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Twice just explained that it’s pretty cut and dried when there’s a felony conviction. As yet there is no felony conviction. This seems to offend you. You are also complaining about nothing being done after Twice posts actual pleadings from the actual proceedings to disbar her.   Which, I guess, means you do not really want a longer due process proceeding, just an instant disbarment when someone on a football forum demands a person lose their license.  (note: we all agree she should lose her license)
As I recall, you were also one of the people here whose perspicacity told you that Donald Trump would never be indicted by anyone.    We said these things take time.   Indictment Four drops this week.  
This is sort of like that.
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3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So are legal teams in the habit of doing things without the knowledge and approval of their client?

Won’t someone rid me of these turbulent voting machines?

 

also they picked a district he won by > +20 to hack? 

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47 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

CNN runs their story.  As expected, he simply complained:

 

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He’s going to put the system on trial!

 

also notice “in my opinion” no longer there. Bout to find out 

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As I understand it, Willis has knowledge of Trump's presence in the Oval Office when this plan to get county election officials to allow a peek under the voting systems hood was *successfully* launched.  That's gonna leave a mark.  He can assert that it was his campaign lawyers, that he had nothing to do with it, but if he was in the room and he knew of the plan, then his failure to put an end to it makes him complicit.  (Disclosure:  not a lawyer.)

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As I understand it, Willis has knowledge of Trump's presence in the Oval Office when this plan to get county election officials to allow a peek under the voting systems hood was *successfully* launched.  That's gonna leave a mark.  He can assert that it was his campaign lawyers, that he had nothing to do with it, but if he was in the room and he knew of the plan, then his failure to put an end to it makes him complicit.  (Disclosure:  not a lawyer.)

It’s an interesting issue, because generally, there is no criminal responsibility for not acting to stop a crime that you are aware someone else is going to commit.
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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I still can’t figure out why, if the courts and various state and local governments won’t take a look at all of this evidence and proof, that they don’t just release it to the public for us all to see how corrupt the system is that is protecting all of this election interference/fraud. 

Pfffft. Do you even 2000 Mules bro!?

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3 minutes ago, scottsins said:


It’s an interesting issue, because generally, there is no criminal responsibility for not acting to stop a crime that you are aware someone else is going to commit.

Is this true when the crime is beneficial to the person who doesn't act to stop it?

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3 minutes ago, scottsins said:


It’s an interesting issue, because generally, there is no criminal responsibility for not acting to stop a crime that you are aware someone else is going to commit.

Isn’t that to protect people like neighbors watching a house get burgled from being held at fault for not attempting to stop it?

as opposed to someone acting criminally on your behalf with your knowledge of it?

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4 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Because Twitter is half-fucked this morning:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/13/politics/coffee-county-georgia-voting-system-breach-trump/index.html

 

 

 

 

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Together, the text messages and other court documents show how Trump lawyers and a group of hired operatives sought to access Coffee County’s voting systems in the days before January 6, 2021, as the former president’s allies continued a desperate hunt for any evidence of widespread fraud they could use to delay certification of Joe Biden’s electoral victory. 

 Last year, a former Trump official testified under oath to the House January 6 select committee that plans to access voting systems in Georgia were discussed in meetings at the White House, including during an Oval Office meeting on December 18, 2020,  that included Trump. 

Six days before pro-Trump operatives gained unauthorized access to voting systems, the local elections official who allegedly helped facilitate the breach sent a “written invitation” to attorneys working for Trump, according to text messages obtained by CNN. 

Investigators have scrutinized the actions of various individuals who were involved, including Misty Hampton, a former Coffee County elections official who authored the letter of invitation referenced in text messages and other documents that have been turned over to prosecutors, multiple sources told CNN. 

They have also examined the involvement of Trump’s then attorney Rudy Giuliani – who was informed last yearhe was a target in the Fulton County investigation – and fellow Trump lawyer Sidney Powell as part of their probe, according to people familiar with the matter. 

A spokesperson for Willis’ office declined to comment.

The letter of invitation was shared with attorneys and an investigator working with Giuliani at the time, the text messages obtained by CNN show. 

A ‘written invitation’ to access voting systems 

On January 1, 2021 – days ahead of the January 7 voting systems breach – Katherine Friess – an attorney working with Giuliani, Sidney Powell and other Trump allies shared a “written invitation” to examine voting systems in Coffee County with a group of Trump allies. 

That group included members of Sullivan Strickler, a firm hired by Trump’s attorneys to examine voting systems in the small, heavily Republican Georgia county, according to text messages obtained by CNN. 

That same day, Friess sent a “Letter of invitation to Coffee County, Georgia” to former NYPD Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, who was working with Giuliani to find evidence that would back up their baseless claims of potential widespread voter fraud, according to court documents filed as part of an ongoing civil case. 

Friess then notified operatives who carried out the Coffee County breach and others working directly with Giuliani that Trump’s team had secured written permission, the texts show. 

CNN has not reviewed the substance of the invitation letter itself, only communications that confirm it was provided to Friess, Kerik and Sullivan Strickler employees. 

Friess could not be reached for comment.

The messages and documents appear to link Giuliani to the Coffee County breach, while shedding light on another channel of communication between pro-Trump attorneys and the battleground state operatives who worked together to provide unauthorized individuals access to sensitive voting equipment. 

 

“Rudy Giuliani had nothing to do with this,” said Robert Costello, Giuliani’s attorney. “You can’t attach Rudy Giuliani to Sidney Powell’s crackpot idea.”

“Just landed back in DC with the Mayor huge things starting to come together!” an employee from the firm Sullivan Strickler, which was hired by Sidney Powell to examine voting systems in Coffee County, wrote in a group chat with other colleagues on January 1. 

Former New York Mayor Giuliani was consistently referred to as “the Mayor,” in other texts sent by the same individual and others at the time. 

“Most immediately, we were just granted access – by written invitation! – to Coffee County’s systems. Yay!” the text reads. 

Breaking into Coffee County

Shortly after Election Day, Hampton – still serving as the top election official for Coffee County – warned during a state election board meeting that Dominion voting machines could “very easily” be manipulated to flip votes from one candidate to another. It’s a claim that has been repeatedly debunked. 

But the Trump campaign officials took notice and reached out to Hampton that same day. “I would like to obtain as much information as possible,” a Trump campaign staffer emailed Hampton at the time, according to documents released as part of a public records request and first reported by the Washington Post. 

In early December, Hampton then delayed certification of Joe Biden’s win in Georgia by refusing to validate the recount results by a key deadline. Coffee County was the only county in Georgia that failed to certify its election results due to issues raised by Hampton at the time. 

Hampton also posted a video online claiming to expose problems with the county’s Dominion voting system. That video was used by Trump’s lawyers, including Giuliani, as part of their push to convince legislators from multiple states that there was evidence the 2020 election results were tainted by voting system issues. 

Text messages and other documents obtained by CNN show Trump allies were seeking access to Coffee County’s voting system by mid-December amid increasing demands for proof of widespread election fraud. 

Coffee County was specifically cited in draft executive orders for seizing voting machines that were presented to Trump on December 18, 2020, during a chaotic Oval Office meeting, CNN has reported. During that same meeting, Giuliani alluded to a plan to gain “voluntary access” to machines in Georgia, according to testimony from him and others before the House January 6 committee. 

Days later, Hampton shared the written invitation to access the county’s election office with a Trump lawyer, text messages obtained by CNN show. She and another location elections official, Cathy Latham, allegedly helped Trump operatives gain access to the county’s voting systems, according to documents, testimony and surveillance video produced as part of a long-running civil lawsuit focused on election security in Georgia. 

Latham, who also served as a fake elector from Georgia after the 2020 election, has come under scrutiny for her role in the Coffee County breach after surveillance video showed she allowed unauthorized outsiders to spend hours examining voting systems there.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Isn’t that to protect people like neighbors watching a house get burgled from being held at fault for not attempting to stop it?

as opposed to someone acting criminally on your behalf with your knowledge of it?

Potato potahto 

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

CNN runs their story.  As expected, he simply complained:

 

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Chutkan:

Whether or not Trump’s public statements are covered by the protective order that’s issued, she said, if they result in the intimidation of a witness or the obstruction of justice, “I will be scrutinizing them very carefully.”

Trump’s lawyer John Lauro said: “President Trump will scrupulously abide by his conditions of release.”

Later on, Chutkan said that “even ambiguous statement from either party or counsel … can threaten the process.”

“Also, as in Manhattan, the corrupt DOJ is pushing hard, trying to keep Biden in office. The whole system is dishonest and broken.”

Not ambiguous that Jack Smith is “corrupt”.  As any judge presiding over a Trump criminal case is part of the criminal justice system, that must mean Judge Chutkan is also dishonest and broken.  There is a short video clip at some campaign speech where Trump declared he would not give up his free-speech rights.   Not sure of the date of that. Continually banging the drum saying that the DOJ is corrupt is an absolute attempt to taint the trial pool.  

Damn, I wish an Article III Judge would. 

 

 

 



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