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35 minutes ago, G650 said:

So Wulaws weird ass considers himself in the upper range of desirable huh.

The market says it’s so sir. I have had sex with not one but two women in my lifetime. It’s science 

On a serious note here nobody on this site is stupid.  Nobody is undesirable. This is a site full of above average people and I’d bet nobody here is incapable of finding a mate/companion. By nobody I mean like maybe you could find a couple here or there but if the 1,000’s of people on here it’s statistically insignificant the people who can’t find that. 

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10 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

The market says it’s so sir. I have had sex with not one but two women in my lifetime. It’s science 

On a serious note here nobody on this site is stupid.  Nobody is undesirable. This is a site full of above average people and I’d bet nobody here is incapable of finding a mate/companion. By nobody I mean like maybe you could find a couple here or there but if the 1,000’s of people on here it’s statistically insignificant the people who can’t find that. 

1) first off, in regards to the bolded above:

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2) apparently you’ve met one on this thread in the form of Midtown. 

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10 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

1) first off, in regards to the bolded above:

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2) apparently you’ve met one on this thread in the form of Midtown. 

Midtown was married I’m almost positive from the divorce thread. I think he’s reproduced. Also I’m pretty sure he’s capable of hooking up. 

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37 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

All I know is that by marrying an all conference college discus and hammer thrower is that our combined genetics are going to give our kids a real good shot at being offensive tackles or 3/4 DE.

Excellent.  Texas players do well at Ohio State.

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12 minutes ago, midtown said:

Any posters who know me from previous boards or in person know that you all have no idea what you are talking about.   

Ok, fair enough then man. Then why are you so angry and pointing the finger squarely at women and social media for the problems of dating society in America? It seemed very personal to you. Where have I gotten it wrong?

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5 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

These last few Wulaw posts have really driven home the old adage: there is no confidence like the confidence of a mediocre white man. 

Mediocre?  Nah. Really bad at some stuff. Really good at other stuff. Honest at all times.  That doesn’t translate to average though. You find the stuff that you are really good at and lean into that. Find something in life to do that it’s beneficial for. Find someone in life that values that stuff. 
going back to the topic some guys go international because what they are really good at is being a US citizen I guess and some people really value that. 

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37 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Then why are you so angry and pointing the finger squarely at women and social media for the problems of dating society in America? It seemed very personal to you.

I am in no way angry.  I do care about my fellow man and the mental health of men these days and it's really bad. 

I have no idea why I become the punching bag for this thread. Esp considering my game and the women I date.  Clearly some of you are not on the travel threads.  I've been called all kind of things from small dicked etc and I just got back from spending 5 days in Bimini with a 35 year old nurse who wouldn't give most of you a glance. 

I worry for my 17 yr old son and 14 yr old daughter.  Where should the finger be pointed when you look at the statistics?  Why do you think so many women and men today are single?  Have men changed?  Has the average male height changed?  Nope.  Has the average income for males changed?  No it hasn't.  And if you don't think that women are judge men on those two parameters then you are dead wrong.  What's changed is that women today and IMO due to social media have been conditioned to think that every man makes six figures and that's so beyond reality.

I just find it really odd at the fact that I assume 90% of the people chiming in here are probably not in the dating game and are talking about dogs etc that worked 20 years ago.  I've watched it change over the last 12 years. If you have been married more than 5 years you have no idea what its like out there.   I simply post a chart from bumble showing how the average woman today perceives the what the average male is and it isn't 6' and it isn't 6 figures. There are videos all over the place where vlogers interview women on the street.  "whats your min for men?"  "oh he has to be 6' and make $250k.

 

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3 minutes ago, midtown said:

I am in no way angry.  I have no idea why I become the punching bag for this thread.  I worry for my 17 yr old son and 14 yr old daughter.  Where should the finger be pointed when you look at the statistics?  Why do you think so many women and men today are single?  Have men changed?  Has the average male height changed?  Nope.  Has the average income for males changed?  No it hasn't.  And if you don't think that women are judge men on those two parameters then you are dead wrong.  What's changed is that women today and IMO due to social media have been conditioned to think that every man makes six figures and that's so beyond reality.

I just find it really odd at the fact that I assume 90% of the people chiming in here are probably not in the dating game and are talking about dogs etc that worked 20 years ago.  I've watched it change over the last 12 years. If you have been married more than 5 years you have no idea what its like out there.   I simply post a chart from bumble showing how the average woman today perceives the what the average male is and it isn't 6' and it isn't 6 figures. There are videos all over the place where vlogers interview women on the street.  "whats your min for men?"  "oh he has to be 6' and make $250k.  

I think we know each other from tailgates right?  At a minimum I knew you had kids and were married and in a pretty nasty divorce if I remember correctly. People get weird about shit on the internet and look for reasons to be divisive instead of liking to find agreement. It’s the worst thing about the internet.  Nobody would say any of this stuff to your face. It’s really dumb. But thanks for the chart and calculator. I’ve been having fun with it all day just because I like sorting statistics and the like which I find fascinating. 

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Just now, Wulaw Horn said:

I think we know each other from tailgates right?  At a minimum I knew you had kids and were married and in a pretty nasty divorce if I remember correctly. People get weird about shit on the internet and look for reasons to be divisive instead of liking to find agreement. It’s the worst thing about the internet.  Nobody would say any of this stuff to your face. It’s really dumb. But thanks for the chart and calculator. I’ve been having fun with it all day just because I like sorting statistics and the like which I find fascinating. 

Isn’t it interesting?

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11 minutes ago, midtown said:

I am in no way angry.  I have no idea why I become the punching bag for this thread.  I worry for my 17 yr old son and 14 yr old daughter.  Where should the finger be pointed when you look at the statistics?  Why do you think so many women and men today are single?  Have men changed?  Has the average male height changed?  Nope.  Has the average income for males changed?  No it hasn't.  What's changed is that women today and IMO due to social media have been conditioned to think that every man makes six figures and that's so beyond reality.

I just find it really odd at the fact that I assume 90% of the people chiming in here are probably not in the dating game and are talking about dogs etc that worked 20 years ago.  I've watched it change over the last 12 years. If you have been married more than 5 years you have no idea what it’s like out there.   I simply post a chart from bumble showing how the average woman today perceives the what the average male is and it isn't 6' and it isn't 6 figures. There are videos all over the place where vlogers interview women on the street.  "whats your min for men?"  "oh he has to be 6' and make $250k.  

There’s a thread you can follow to why and how people were critical of your takes on this thread, and you never responded before now. A couple of mine taking about female insecurity, the existence of the breast augmentation industry, and the idea that female power in relationship dynamics to start. 
 

Why are so many men and women single? Maybe because having a relationship, and kids, is more expensive than young people can imagine. Kids today can’t find or afford homes. Should they be rising to get married and start families?

Maybe it’s because social and cultural norms have changed. They don’t feel the urgency to be married and popping out kids by 25. Fuck, maybe it’s just because times have changed, and older people hate and demonize change. Japan has been undergoing similar shit as this but with a 20 year head start. 
 

I think it’s odd for you to blanket say “have men changed? No. It must be women.” You have no basis of understanding if men have changed from the point of view of women. You pivot to height and income. Well money matters less now that women can make their own money. And you say women have been conditioned to think x,y,z. We’ll, I think men have been conditioned through tv and porn to think that they deserve to fuck some big chested hottie despite their condition in life. Or than men haven’t changed to bring value in the new world…which is why Passport Bros flee to seek out mates from places who haven’t adjusted expectations of men. 
 

I don’t think a chart from bumble and some vloggers is definitive evidence. Newsflash, putting in preferences in a dating profile isn’t the same thing as an algorithm for what they’ll settle for. I’m first hand knowledge in that subject. You attempting to use it as proof is sketchy, at best. 
 

Im not trying to be an asshole, but I’m sure it will appear that way. You have a 14 year old daughter. Do you stress to her she shouldn’t shoot for the moon, but consider settling? She shouldn’t make her own money and be successful? Don’t you want her to have the best she can get? 

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1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said:

pretty nasty divorce if I remember correctly.

Actually.  My divorce was not nasty at all.  We actually used her attorney.  I didn't even have one.

People going at me so hard on here are so far from understanding who I am which makes this whole thread and most of the people in it trash.

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30 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I think we know each other from tailgates right?  At a minimum I knew you had kids and were married and in a pretty nasty divorce if I remember correctly. People get weird about shit on the internet and look for reasons to be divisive instead of liking to find agreement. It’s the worst thing about the internet.  Nobody would say any of this stuff to your face. It’s really dumb. But thanks for the chart and calculator. I’ve been having fun with it all day just because I like sorting statistics and the like which I find fascinating. 

Then I guess you havent really met me. 

28 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Midtown is good people. Hung out with him and talk semi regularly. Definitely not what this thread is about. He pulls and not in a passport bro way. 
 

what the hell is 6/6/6 club? 

Something Wulaw made up. 

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1 minute ago, midtown said:

Actually.  My divorce was not nasty at all.  We actually used her attorney.  I didn't even have one.

People going at me so hard on here are so far from understanding who I am which makes this whole thread and most of the people in it trash.

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“People who don’t know me and are judging me just by the things I say are fucking trash.”

says the guy who also doesn’t know me, but is accusing me of being trash. I’m guessing the irony and hypocrisy is lost in you there, chooch. 

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4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

says the guy who also doesn’t know me, but is accusing me of being trash. I’m guessing the irony and hypocrisy is lost in you there, chooch. 

I never called anyone out by name in this entire thread... You just 4 up mentioned me about being unable to meet women or something.   I just quoted the people who called me out.  you were on the list. 

 

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

2) apparently you’ve met one on this thread in the form of Midtown.

Is this not you? 

Are you dumb? blind? or dementia?

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9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Then I guess you have really met me. 

Something Wulaw made up. 

Not me. My Mexican neighbor with the white privileged card. I’d never heard it before. Then,  I’ve seen it around after that. I’m not that interested to come up with that. 
for those who don’t know it’s 


6 foot tall

6 figure income 

6 inch penis. 
 

all those things put you above average. If you have them all in one package you are one of like 2 or 3% of men out there. If you are a single guy in that club it’s like 1/10th or 1/5th of one percent since women of a certain age aren’t completely wrong when they say all the good ones are taken or gay. 

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5 minutes ago, midtown said:

I never called anyone out by name in this entire thread... You just 4 up mentioned me about being unable to meet women or something.   I just quoted the people who called me out.  you were on the list. 

 

Is this not you? 

Oh it is, and I’ve illustrated exactly why multiple times, to which you haven’t really answered. Including a post from 10 minutes ago. You make shit posts and disappear for a day and you’re shocked you got derided?

yes I’ve mocked your takes. But you called me trash because I don’t really know you. But you have no problem doing the same thing to those you accuse. That’s irrespective of anything else. 

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8 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

yes I’ve mocked your takes. But you called me trash because I don’t really know you. But you have no problem doing the same thing to those you accuse. That’s irrespective of anything else. 

Oh you are an absolute pussy who won't even stand up to your words.  You said midtown is a person who: 

On a serious note here nobody on this site is stupid.  Nobody is undesirable. This is a site full of above average people and I’d bet nobody here is incapable of finding a mate/companion.

We'd all think more of you as a man if you just owned up to this

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4 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

wrong on both counts. also penises are bigger now. no need to worry for your 17 year old son. 

 

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That seems completely and totally impossible. 29% in a generation?  They changed where they are measuring from or something. 

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maybe my biggest takeaway from this thread is that we have a lot of guys on both sides of this discussion who are speaking confidently in absolutes about things that are not absolute. girls/women these days often do have a completely warped sense of self value and what they think they deserve; young men are also more single, alone, and bereft of social/dating skills than they've ever been. at the same time there are plenty of men with the right attitude and attributes to still pull despite being older/shorter/poorer/whatever. lots of people acting like all of this can't be/isn't true.

here's what i know is true: women are attracted to men who know what they want, men with confidence. obviously being tall, confident, rich, handsome, etc helps, but even if you don't have all of that you can still go a long way with real deal confidence. it's got to be real though. that's where a lot of these incel guys go overboard, by trying to "fake it til they make it", only to completely melt down at the first sign of rejection. so, if you don't already think that you're the shit and aren't already full of confidence, that's probably the best place to start. 

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4 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

maybe my biggest takeaway from this thread is that we have a lot of guys on both sides of this discussion who are speaking confidently in absolutes about things that are not absolute. girls/women these days often do have a completely warped sense of self value and what they think they deserve; young men are also more single, alone, and bereft of social/dating skills than they've ever been. at the same time there are plenty of men with the right attitude and attributes to still pull despite being older/shorter/poorer/whatever. lots of people acting like all of this can't be/isn't true.

here's what i know is true: women are attracted to men who know what they want, men with confidence. obviously being tall, confident, rich, handsome, etc helps, but even if you don't have all of that you can still go a long way with real deal confidence. it's got to be real though. that's where a lot of these incel guys go overboard, by trying to "fake it til they make it", only to completely melt down at the first sign of rejection. so, if you don't already think that you're the shit and aren't already full of confidence, that's probably the best place to start. 

As usual Derka with well thought out and good points. Paragraph 1 is 10/10. 
as to the concluding sentence I think it’s good advice if it can be done. There just are some people that can’t get there for a myriad of different reasons imo. And some guys have irrational confidence they have no right to have. But whatever. Good for them I guess. 
the fake it till you make it and then melt down is really apt. It’s what I was trying to convey when I said that these guys can’t do better so they go overseas. There might be bravado but that’s a thin veneer that crumbles in time imo. 

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13 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

That seems completely and totally impossible. 29% in a generation?  They changed where they are measuring from or something. 

Ah I think I know what happened here - average skewed by extreme outlier, I was prepubescent in 1992.

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26 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

maybe my biggest takeaway from this thread is that we have a lot of guys on both sides of this discussion who are speaking confidently in absolutes about things that are not absolute. girls/women these days often do have a completely warped sense of self value and what they think they deserve; young men are also more single, alone, and bereft of social/dating skills than they've ever been. at the same time there are plenty of men with the right attitude and attributes to still pull despite being older/shorter/poorer/whatever. lots of people acting like all of this can't be/isn't true.

here's what i know is true: women are attracted to men who know what they want, men with confidence. obviously being tall, confident, rich, handsome, etc helps, but even if you don't have all of that you can still go a long way with real deal confidence. it's got to be real though. that's where a lot of these incel guys go overboard, by trying to "fake it til they make it", only to completely melt down at the first sign of rejection. so, if you don't already think that you're the shit and aren't already full of confidence, that's probably the best place to start. 

The best post you've ever made, going back 3 boards. 

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54 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Not me. My Mexican neighbor with the white privileged card. I’d never heard it before. Then,  I’ve seen it around after that. I’m not that interested to come up with that. 
for those who don’t know it’s 


6 foot tall

6 figure income 

6 inch penis. 
 

all those things put you above average. If you have them all in one package you are one of like 2 or 3% of men out there. If you are a single guy in that club it’s like 1/10th or 1/5th of one percent since women of a certain age aren’t completely wrong when they say all the good ones are taken or gay. 

Damn is that why I get pussy? I thought it was my conversation skills and game all this time

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On 6/14/2023 at 2:41 PM, mchookem said:

men have been judging women on shallow characteristics for centuries if not millenia. boohoo at the modern men getting their feelings hurt and hating the world b/c lots of women can now do the same. pfffft.  

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1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Not me. My Mexican neighbor with the white privileged card. I’d never heard it before. Then,  I’ve seen it around after that. I’m not that interested to come up with that. 
for those who don’t know it’s 


6 foot tall

6 figure income 

6 inch penis. 
 

all those things put you above average. If you have them all in one package you are one of like 2 or 3% of men out there. If you are a single guy in that club it’s like 1/10th or 1/5th of one percent since women of a certain age aren’t completely wrong when they say all the good ones are taken or gay. 

What does the 5/5/5 club get you?  Hopefully there is no need to break out the ruler on the last one and some rounding is allowed.

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3 hours ago, midtown said:

  I simply post a chart from bumble showing how the average woman today perceives the what the average male is and it isn't 6' and it isn't 6 figures. There are videos all over the place where vlogers interview women on the street.  "whats your min for men?"  "oh he has to be 6' and make $250k.

 

I haven’t called you out for anything except the words you’ve used on this page which have been shitty, like this. The vlogs you’re watching are created and edited and released to provoke a specific emotional reaction which you’re demonstrating here and on other posts.
 

The interesting thing here is not charts from dating apps and candid interviews with unreasonable women (swing by the wives thread). What’s interesting is how that media has gotten you to repeat the rhetoric that they are pushing even as by your own testimony you have success with beautiful women and have a daughter who stands to be hurt from being on the other side of this rhetoric. 

I also have concerns about young mens’ mental health. I think you’re looking the wrong place. Maybe start with the type of online media that are specially created to tell young men that the women they so badly want are both hopelessly out of reach for them while also being delusional strumpets who are unworthy of them. 

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7 hours ago, sidis said:

i'm just impressed he's finally become self aware (or got a diagnosis) regarding his autism.  he flipped the fuck out a few years back when i made my internet diagnosis.

but you're exactly correct.  if he can successfully weave in his wife's (or possibly ex-wife's?) live-in lesbian sister's journey, i think we are on our way to the ultimate combination of a toole novel, a paul thomas anderson movie, and a jason isbell song.

i weep for those people on this board that do not realize an unrestrained wulaw is like having our own secret blend of albert camus and charles bukowski - but with awful spelling and grammar (which honestly enhances it).  we are so incredibly lucky.

The vignette with the monstrous distant relative who they prod into having sex in the family home with an eccentric (impaired?) man she doesn’t like, only to marry him and have kids and maybe still not like him? 
 

Set that in a farmhouse in rural Georgia and we have Flannery O’Connor for the 21st century. 

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8 hours ago, midtown said:

Oh you are an absolute pussy who won't even stand up to your words.  You said midtown is a person who: 

On a serious note here nobody on this site is stupid.  Nobody is undesirable. This is a site full of above average people and I’d bet nobody here is incapable of finding a mate/companion.

We'd all think more of you as a man if you just owned up to this

yes, I made a drive by joke at your fucking expense after you posted bad takes, failed to defend any of them, and when you returned your first words of note were “man I just fucked a hot ass nurse you could never land,”  as opposed to actually debating the merits of your original post. It’s surly we’re assholes, what site do you think this is?

The worst things I’ve said about you are that on this thread you act like a little man and have shitty views towards women. I’m not sure what else I can own up to, honestly. And you haven’t done much to convince folks otherwise with the “it’s unfair women determine the value of men” shit take.

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10 hours ago, midtown said:

Esp considering my game and the women I date.  Clearly some of you are not on the travel threads.  I've been called all kind of things from small dicked etc and I just got back from spending 5 days in Bimini with a 35 year old nurse who wouldn't give most of you a glance. 

 

Lmaoooooooooooo.

 

9 hours ago, midtown said:

I never called anyone out by name in this entire thread... You just 4 up mentioned me about being unable to meet women or something.   I just quoted the people who called me out.  you were on the list. 

 

 

I didn't say anything about you. I called your post an incel take and I 100% stand by that. And a Bumble chart? Fucking Bumble?! Jesus christ man.

 

All you have done is beclown yourself for a while page now ranting nonsense. I didn't have a bad opinion of you before but now I am leaning to dick, so congrats I guess.

 

Oh, an we made the list eh. Lighten up Francis.

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6 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I haven’t called you out for anything except the words you’ve used on this page which have been shitty, like this. The vlogs you’re watching are created and edited and released to provoke a specific emotional reaction which you’re demonstrating here and on other posts.
 

The interesting thing here is not charts from dating apps and candid interviews with unreasonable women (swing by the wives thread). What’s interesting is how that media has gotten you to repeat the rhetoric that they are pushing even as by your own testimony you have success with beautiful women and have a daughter who stands to be hurt from being on the other side of this rhetoric. 

I also have concerns about young mens’ mental health. I think you’re looking the wrong place. Maybe start with the type of online media that are specially created to tell young men that the women they so badly want are both hopelessly out of reach for them while also being delusional strumpets who are unworthy of them. 

Scrong post - midtown I think you are a solid poster and a good guy, strongly agree here that a huge part of the problem that you are prey to here is the information ecosystem that exists today. “You feel rejected because women are wrong” is an attractive message for lonely boys who can’t figure it out and don’t want to do the uncomfortable things that we all had to learn to do in order to take risks and get laid. Maybe even to become emotionally available and form meaningful relationships with women based on love and respect, allowing us to share our lives completely (and all of that bullshit). That’s hard to do, it’s always been hard to do, we didn’t used to have billions of hours of hardcore porn and whole online communities of likeminded losers and alternate immersive realities to “thrive” in and information chambers telling us that it’s the women who are wrong for not wanting our cheetoh dusty ass, etc. That’s new. And yeah women don’t need men like they used to. That’s kinda new. It’s also good. It’s also true that women (like men) have skewed perspectives on reality and what they “deserve” etc. At the end of the day, if women are choosing “alone” over “with you”, the thing that makes you an even bigger loser is buying into the bullshit message sold to you by grifting charlatans that it is the women’s fault.

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Also, some food for thought for anyone who is on dating and hookup apps (excluding services like Match.com) and using that as a barometer of what people want. 

THE APPS WANT YOU TO STAY SINGLE.

They quite literally depend on users staying single and looking to stay afloat. They may want a few users to find happiness to keep that hope out there, but they don’t want most of their users to find a nice partner and delete the app. They want you single, wanting, and feeding them data.

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On 6/21/2023 at 8:59 AM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

In college this chick showed up to our party with a puppy. I was hammered and holding the puppy and then looked up and there were like 5 chicks hovering over me.

It was at that moment my greatest idea was born:

Rent-A-Puppy!

Christ I may either know you, or you just confirmed the theory of parallel human evolution!

 

Were you ever at an apartment keg party during Growl in the 90's?   Was there a guy on the roof with a beer bong?

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34 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Scrong post - midtown I think you are a solid poster and a good guy, strongly agree here that a huge part of the problem that you are prey to here is the information ecosystem that exists today. “You feel rejected because women are wrong” is an attractive message for lonely boys who can’t figure it out and don’t want to do the uncomfortable things that we all had to learn to do in order to take risks and get laid. Maybe even to become emotionally available and form meaningful relationships with women based on love and respect, allowing us to share our lives completely (and all of that bullshit). That’s hard to do, it’s always been hard to do, we didn’t used to have billions of hours of hardcore porn and whole online communities of likeminded losers and alternate immersive realities to “thrive” in and information chambers telling us that it’s the women who are wrong for not wanting our cheetoh dusty ass, etc. That’s new. And yeah women don’t need men like they used to. That’s kinda new. It’s also good. It’s also true that women (like men) have skewed perspectives on reality and what they “deserve” etc. At the end of the day, if women are choosing “alone” over “with you”, the thing that makes you an even bigger loser is buying into the bullshit message sold to you by grifting charlatans that it is the women’s fault.

Might be best post in this thread. Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in my head. Also, 965’s takes on the media consumed is his usual strong contribution. 
 

 

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12 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Might be best post in this thread. Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in my head. Also, 965’s Tsaritsyn on the media consumed is his usual strong contribution. 
 

 

Indeed

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