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30 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

It absolutely has not, however... only GOP senators were briefed, and nothing specific leaked. Relative to past congressional leaks, it was a pretty tight ship.

That isn’t the point. 

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4 hours ago, Captainant said:

I mean, it sure does not seem like the end of it. The houthi attacks ramped up after their general was taken off the board. I'd bet were going to see a significant increase in terrorist threats, and particularly targeting US soft infra like power grids and public infrastructure. Good thing the US head of counter terrorism is 22 and worked at HEB this time last year, he's got those bad guys bagged. 

Edit: had to include his no-kidding-actually-real administration photo

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Might be the worst tie knot I’ve ever seen 

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16 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

If Iran needs a nuclear weapon, Mr. Putin will pick up that call and fill that gas tank in the truck himself. 

Iran has funded militias on at least three continents. They have a weapons network that makes the cartel drug lords blush. 

He ghosted their last call, but sure, he's not busy with anything else so now he's gonna take their booty call after the just got trained. In some ways literally. The big bombs dropped weighed over 200 tons.

This weighs 208, like 33 elephants.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:


Maybe…just maybe, you fuckstick, we hate him BECAUSE we love our country so damned much. If you love the body, you hate the thing that is poisoning and destroying it.

Moot now.

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/22/world/israel-iran-us-trump#iran-fordo-nuclear-damaged-not-destroyed

The Israel-Iran war that broke out over the past week has already upended life for Iran’s 90 million people, killing more than 400 and injuring more than 3,000, according to the country’s Health Ministry. Countless others have fled to safety in the countryside or neighboring states.

Now, after a direct American attack on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities, many Iranians said in phone interviews that they faced an uncertain and frightening future.

“We’re all in shock — none of us expected that, within six or seven days, we’d reach this point,” said Peyman, a 44-year-old business executive who asked that his last name not be used because of concern over reprisals from the authorities.

After Israel launched its military assault last week a missile hit nearby on his commute to work, and he decided to escape Tehran. Now his immediate family, parents, in-laws and brother’s family are all sheltering in one house in northern Iran. His primary concern is for his 9-year-old daughter.

“I grew up in war, so the sound of bombardment doesn’t scare me, but I left because of my daughter,” he said. “I fear soon we’re going to have a shortage of water and food.”

Iranians awoke to the news of the American attack on Sunday feeling a combination of sorrow and anger.

“I really hope there’s a cease-fire, because this is not OK,” said Dr. Parsa Mehdipour, 29, a general practitioner in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, who flew home to Tehran for a visit in late May and has been trapped there since the war began and flights into and out of Iran were suspended.

Dr. Mehdipour said he had no idea how he would get back to Dubai. His options include traveling by road and then taking a ship across the Persian Gulf or crossing into a neighboring country where he can catch a flight.

“These tensions will cause a lot of problems for civilians,” he said. “This is honestly a breach of international law,” he said, adding that attacking nuclear facilities “could have catastrophic consequences for the people.”

One 44-year-old mother of two, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect her family from reprisals, described how she and her children left everything behind after Israel began its military campaign and an Iranian authorities issued an evacuation order for her neighborhood in Tehran. They packed a few small bags, locked the door and left, traveling on a pothole-filled road to the border and crossing into Armenia, where they have been staying in hotels.

By day, her sons live a normal life. But as night falls their crying and nightmares begin, and they awake at the slightest sound, she said. When she mentioned that they were on a vacation, her 7-year-old son corrected her, saying that he knew that they had escaped from a war.

The woman said that leaving Iran was the worst feeling, but that she had lived through the Iran-Iraq war and did not want her children to experience the same trauma. She does not care about the nuclear sites, she said, but feels sad for regular Iranians who are stuck between two fronts: their own government, and the countries attacking them.

Since the Israeli attacks, which appeared to have involved intelligence breaches deep inside Iran’s government, Iranian news media have reported that officials have cracked down on people they accuse of being “collaborators” with Israel.

Iranian authorities arrested 53 people who they said were linked to Israel and charged them with disturbing public opinion, possessing and operating drones, filming sensitive locations and sending that footage to “hostile media outlets,” Fars, an Iranian news agency affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, reported on Sunday.

Iranian authorities also arrested a European citizen accused of espionage in the western province of Kermanshah, the Tasnim news agency, which is closely affiliated with the government, reported on Sunday. The report did not say what country the person was from.

The New York Times was not able to independently verify the Iranian news media reports.

Peyman, the executive, said that he was no fan of President Trump or Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel — “not at all” — but that he nonetheless found himself blaming his own government for the war and its heavy toll.

“The feeling I have is a feeling of 40 years of hatred toward this foolish government,” he said, lamenting the money that had been spent to develop Fordo, a uranium enrichment site that the United States targeted. “All these years of slogans and chest beating, saying we have a strong defense system and that no enemy could ever attack our soil.”

“That’s not even counting how much the value of our currency has dropped, how much of our human capital has fled the country, how much chaos has been created,” he added. “The psychological, financial and cultural toll on the country is immense.”

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20 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Look man, this Iranian regime literally executed my grandfather 43 years ago and to this day lies in an unmarked grave. I have more reason to hate these fuckers than you do. 

 

I said some 

Just now, Brisketexan said:


Maybe…just maybe, you fuckstick, we hate him BECAUSE we love our country so damned much. If you love the body, you hate the thing that is poisoning and destroying it.

Ok the issue then becomes if we successful disable or dismantle the Iranian nuclear program, that’s a feather in his cap. I think there are posters on here that would prefer anything over that. Priorities and judgment are severely clouded here. 

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Just now, Keyah said:

Ok the issue then becomes if we successful disable or dismantle the Iranian nuclear program, that’s a feather in his cap. I think there are posters on here that would prefer anything over that. Priorities and judgment are severely clouded here

This is a situation created by trump in the first place when he tore up the previous Iran nuclear deal for no reason besides Obama negotiated it. Spiking the football over your own manufactured crisis is not a "feather in the cap"

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7 minutes ago, freyguy said:

So just like last time, Trump bombed an empty Iranian site.  Good job there bucko...

If you firmly believe what's being relayed to any media by either side is the whole or even a mostly complete picture of what's really going I don't know what to tell you.

This is a stone's throw from global nuclear conflict. The propaganda machine is in full effect for every player. 

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Well, we can only move forward now.  If we didn’t force terminate their nuke program last night, we’ve got to finish it.  I don’t see how that happens without boots on the ground.  I hope they are Israeli boots.

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Moot now.

Oh, believe me, I know. We ingested the fatal dose a while back. It just takes some time for all the body’s systems to break down and fail leading to inevitable death. Just watching it all happen, because there’s no stopping it any more.
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So if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz how much will this affect Russia and China? Considering they do get oil from Iran (India and others to a lesser respect.)

also wasn’t Isfahan the more important target given the reconversion of enriched uranium that is allegedly carried out there? 

midnight hammer sounds like a drink at a biker bar. Or it is now…

I volunteer to go assess the damage around any lakes Iran might have. Please offer my name up if you know any military folk. I scout lakes like a stealthy mofo. 

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Just now, immamac said:

Can you fuckers not keep track of which forum you are in? Stop cloaking this shit up for no reason. 

That is literally part of the factual exposition that set up this strike on a very potentially emptied enrichment facility. 

https://www.businesstoday.in/world/story/did-iran-move-centrifuges-before-us-strike-satellite-images-show-trucks-lined-up-at-fordow-481338-2025-06-22

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1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

No one here is rooting for Iran, or for the strike to have failed.  There are reasonable voices calling for people to not instantly turn to the idea that Iran could not have possibly withstood the attack and will not strike back against so great a force.  That BDA photo shows five holes in the ground, and not one damn thing more.  No one here knows how much damage they did, or if any significant damage was done at all.  Don't just assume that it was a smashing success and everything will be hunky dory from now on.  History shows that to very rarely be the case.

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46 minutes ago, immamac said:

Fucking act like it then. Right now you are fighting the reality that the US is actively engaged in War with Iran. 

Act like I'm hopeful that two war criminals will create peace in the Middle East? Yeah, no. Would love to see it, but not holding my breath. 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Keyah said:

I said some 

Ok the issue then becomes if we successful disable or dismantle the Iranian nuclear program, that’s a feather in his cap. I think there are posters on here that would prefer anything over that. Priorities and judgment are severely clouded here. 

Here's the thing, though. As alluded to above, the average American will never know whether the Iranian nuclear program was actually damaged or destroyed.

Hell, even the directors of the CIA and DIA will never know for sure.

But someone, who lies an awful lot, is going to tell the average American that he destroyed Iran's nuclear program.  Certain elements of society will gobble that right on down.

Others will remain skeptical, as they should.

Am I allowed to hate that state of affairs?  And that orange buffoon taking complete credit for something that may not have even happened?

And either way, we have set into motion a chain of events that will extend quite into the future that no one can predict.  

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2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

So if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz how much will this affect Russia and China? Considering they do get oil from Iran (India and others to a lesser respect.)

also wasn’t Isfahan the more important target given the reconversion of enriched uranium that is allegedly carried out there? 

midnight hammer sounds like a drink at a biker bar. Or it is now…

I volunteer to go assess the damage around any lakes Iran might have. Please offer my name up if you know any military folk. I scout lakes like a stealthy mofo. 

UAE aint going to remotely go for that....

It is already pretty obvious that the rest of the ME oil states are OK with Israel and the US making sure Iran does not get nuclear weapons. There is no way that they have OK'd flyovers by US and Israel, and then decide to close the Strait of Hormuz because the Iranian nuclear enrichment sites got hammered by the US a week later. If this was going to happen, it would have happened day one, when it could be used as a real threat and a bargaining chip. The only people who gets really hurt now are the ME states that can't use the EW Petroline pipeline Suadi reopened that runs from Jeddah to Qatar. 

Could it slow exports of crude, yeah. Any military action in the Persian Gulf alwaysx slows both production and transport. Would the rest of the region stand by and let it happen, knowing that it doesn't stop exports from the entire Persian Gulf states, but only a few? Especially when SA takes the smallest hit while the other gulf states take the brunt of the disruption? I would be very surprised if this happens (and in truth, if the Iranian leadership follows through) and if it does Iran is a "accident" away from other ME states kicking them while they are down as well. 

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Here's the thing, though. As alluded to above, the average American will never know whether the Iranian nuclear program was actually damaged or destroyed.

Hell, even the directors of the CIA and DIA will never know for sure.

But someone, who lies an awful lot, is going to tell the average American that he destroyed Iran's nuclear program.  Certain elements of society will gobble that right on down.

Others will remain skeptical, as they should.

Am I allowed to hate that state of affairs?  And that orange buffoon taking complete credit for something that may not have even happened?

He wanted to jumpstart his nosediving approval rating, and it might work temporarily. Really just depends how this all shakes out. People claiming it was a great decision less than 24 hours after it happened, that's just foolish

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

Wait, so the Iranian Parliament is saying that they took care of everything in advance and this is basically zero issue for their nuclear program? Shocked. 

I trust them about as much as I trust an Israeli leader who very nearly lost power just a few weeks ago, and who desperately needs to get the Israeli people on his side.

At the same time though, Iran saw what happened in 2003 with us ginning up bullshit WMDs to go after Iraq, and has probably pondered the thought that the West might turn its attention on them.  

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

You think nukes are just some easy fucking thing? 

No, but I know that North Korea did it decades ago, based on decades-old technology from Pakistan.

And I also know that you and a lot of others here didn't care about Iran's nuclear program a few weeks ago, and nothing has changed within that timespan to make us need to go to war against Iran, other than Netanyahu nearly lost a vote of confidence.

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I trust them about as much as I trust an Israeli leader who very nearly lost power just a few weeks ago, and who desperately needs to get the Israeli people on his side.

At the same time though, Iran saw what happened in 2003 with us ginning up bullshit WMDs to go after Iraq, and has probably pondered the thought that the West might turn its attention on them.  

Yeah, our main ally in this seems to have pretty outstanding intelligence, among other capabilities.  That might place this firmly in the W column in other circumstances.  Like with a more reflective and deliberate president, with competent advisors, and relying on straight Israeli Intel.

The politics are such that I don't think we can trust Israeli intelligence, or what they'll give to us on this.  Referring here to the urgent need for this strike and also any reported results of it.

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On 6/19/2025 at 1:10 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Told you all - as I said, if we are evacuating Americans out of Israel, if multiple Republican Senators extremely loyal to Trump are making the rounds with the talking heads to sell us on war, and if Fox News is selling its viewers on war, we are going to war.

Bears repeating: A whole shitload of people who gave no shits about Iran or its nuclear program two weeks ago, or even a week ago (I probably got laughed at lastThursday for posting the above), have all of the sudden decided that we need to go to war against Iran, even though nothing has changed in regard to Iran or its nuclear program in the past few weeks.

 

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, our main ally in this seems to have pretty outstanding intelligence, among other capabilities.  That might place this firmly in the W column in other circumstances.  Like with a more reflective and deliberate president, with competent advisors, and relying on straight Israeli Intel.

The politics are such that I don't think we can trust Israeli intelligence, or what they'll give to us on this.  Referring here to the urgent need for this strike and also any reported results of it.

They have fantastic intelligence.

Except when it comes to things happening down the street, or rather, in Gaza.

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People believe whatever the media tells them to believe.

That means if Fox News tells you it's a problem, you believe it's a problem.

If Fox News tells you to care about it, you care about it.

If Fox News stops talking about it, you stop talking about it.

Only one political party has figured this out.

That's why Dems are always two steps behind, reacting to poll numbers instead of poll numbers reacting to them.

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Fucking act like it then. Right now you are fighting the reality that the US is actively engaged in War with Iran. 

 

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Sorry man, but I'm really against the narrative now that we are involved that Iran gets to do anything but fight back and be annihilated or surrender. 

 

Every party involved (America/Isreal/Iran) is now run by extremists. You're sitting there screaming "OH MY GOD YOU GUYS ARE ROOTING FOR IRAN TO WIN" because some of us are concerned this action won't ultimately accomplish anything but draw us into a long, expensive conflict when our economy is already in a brittle state as it is.

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7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, our main ally in this seems to have pretty outstanding intelligence

We executed the bomb strikes due to what Trump was told by bibi of their intelligence, over the objections of our own intelligence people. 
 

but now that their intelligence is saying we damaged but did not destroy the facility, are they not to be believed?

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They have fantastic intelligence.
Except when it comes to things happening down the street, or rather, in Gaza.

Oh…you know they had that intel. Oct 7 is turning out to be the best thing that ever happened to Bibi, and there’s not even a close second.
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Just now, Brisketexan said:


Oh…you know they had that intel. Oct 7 is turning out to be the best thing that ever happened to Bibi, and there’s not even a close second.

That smug little Nazi is getting everything he wanted, when he belongs in a prison cell.

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Just now, chainsaw said:

People believe whatever the media tells them to believe.

That means if Fox News tells you it's a problem, you believe it's a problem.

If Fox News tells you to care about it, you care about it.

If Fox News stops talking about it, you stop talking about it.

Only one political party has figured this out.

That's why Dems are always two steps behind, reacting to poll numbers instead of poll numbers reacting to them.

It drives me crazy that people I know, who do not watch Fox News, are all of the sudden buying what Fox News started selling early last week.

Fox News was opposed to us going to war in Iran, until management decided/were told, and then they started selling us on going to war in Iran, even though nothing had changed in Iran in recent times in terms of things that concern us.

It's problematic that in this day and age, people are this easily swayed.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

happened to Bibi,

He knew beforehand that it was going to happen, and allowed his people to be slaughtered instead of preventing it.

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Just now, atomheartbevo said:

people I know, who do not watch Fox News, are all of the sudden buying what Fox News started selling early last week.

Oh that's because the "liberal" media loves war, too. Half the ads on MSNBC are from defense contractors. The talking head defense "experts" could hardly hide their boners regardless what channel you were watching. So it's not just a Fox News viewer problem, they are just the most influential and their talking points need only a few minutes to make their way into comment sections, small town diners, and Facebook groups, so that it feels like "common sense" that Biden opened the borders to 50 million marauding savages.

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

We executed the bomb strikes due to what Trump was told by bibi of their intelligence, over the objections of our own intelligence people. 
but now that their intelligence is saying we damaged but did not destroy the facility, are they not to be believed?

If I'm Israeli intelligence, and I have some additional targets I want bombed, I might start saying "well, you damaged it, so maybe it should be hit again, and by the way, there's these other areas where they might have moved some of their materials too, so if you really want to wipe everything out like your President claimed, then you need to hit these targets as well".

Trump went out there and told us how magnificent the strikes were, and if Israeli intelligence embarrasses him by saying it wasn't destroyed, he's going to feel like we have to finish the job to live up to what he boasted about.

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55 minutes ago, Keyah said:

Priorities and judgment are severely clouded here. 

I’m going to neg every post this username is banned because you’re a troll who won’t go away but this is motto worthy

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Oh that's because the "liberal" media loves war, too. Half the ads on MSNBC are from defense contractors. The talking head defense "experts" could hardly hide their boners regardless what channel you were watching. So it's not just a Fox News viewer problem, they are just the most influential and their talking points need only a few minutes to make their way into comment sections, small town diners, and Facebook groups, so that it feels like "common sense" that Biden opened the borders to 50 million marauding savages.

They very well could be taking their cues from FNC and seeing what sells or what gets viewership up.

I would be okay with the strikes if actual evidence was produced stating that "in the past month or three, Iran sped it up, and they are weeks away from nuclear-tipped missiles".

I would also be slightly more okay with it if it hadn't come literally on the heels of Netanyahu nearly losing his power, and desperately needing to rally the Israeli people behind him.

But this is Iraq in 2002/2003 all over again.  And we were preparing for Iraq in late 2002 before it had hit the public conscious - I had friends who were prepping equipment/vehicles/etc. in late 2002 for someplace "other than Afghanistan", long before the administration started pushing things.

 

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34 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Here's the thing, though. As alluded to above, the average American will never know whether the Iranian nuclear program was actually damaged or destroyed.

Hell, even the directors of the CIA and DIA will never know for sure.

But someone, who lies an awful lot, is going to tell the average American that he destroyed Iran's nuclear program.  Certain elements of society will gobble that right on down.

Others will remain skeptical, as they should.

Am I allowed to hate that state of affairs?  And that orange buffoon taking complete credit for something that may not have even happened?

And either way, we have set into motion a chain of events that will extend quite into the future that no one can predict.  

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You are correct in that we should be skeptical, but Iran has no ability to defend themselves. Sure they can launch some missiles, but they probably lose the ability to do it again as soon as the missiles are launched.  Everyone needs to proceed with extreme caution going forward, but no country should do so more than Iran right now.  

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I would be okay with the strikes if actual evidence was produced stating that "in the past month or three, Iran sped it up, and they are weeks away from nuclear-tipped missiles".

They've been 3 seconds to midnight on nuclear weapons for the last 30 years. I'll start believing it when I see actual evidence that isn't "trust me, bro".

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28 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

We executed the bomb strikes due to what Trump was told by bibi of their intelligence, over the objections of our own intelligence people. 
 

but now that their intelligence is saying we damaged but did not destroy the facility, are they not to be believed?

We still have those?

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11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They very well could be taking their cues from FNC and seeing what sells or what gets viewership up.

I would be okay with the strikes if actual evidence was produced stating that "in the past month or three, Iran sped it up, and they are weeks away from nuclear-tipped missiles".

I would also be slightly more okay with it if it hadn't come literally on the heels of Netanyahu nearly losing his power, and desperately needing to rally the Israeli people behind him.

But this is Iraq in 2002/2003 all over again.  And we were preparing for Iraq in late 2002 before it had hit the public conscious - I had friends who were prepping equipment/vehicles/etc. in late 2002 for someplace "other than Afghanistan", long before the administration started pushing things.

 

There’s no national appetite for a ground war. I doubt there’s one in the WH either. 
 

I don’t know if the Iranians were truly getting close or not. 
 

I suspect the ease with which the Israelis destroyed Iran’s air defenses a few months ago led to people in power dreaming big dreams. Namely a denuclearized and defanged Iran. Maybe even regime change. 
 

10/7 is then used as casus belli.

It will be evident based on activity after the strike as to whether it was effective or not. Time will tell. The question is how Iran responds. I’m sure they will attempt military strikes. I hope they do not choose terror. History says why not both?

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