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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

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16 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Just talk about what’s in the bipartisan border bill that Trump killed.

13 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

Yep.   The argument scores points, but the rebuttal effectively nullifies it immediately.

 

Yes, to both of those. She needs a defense and citing that Trump killed a border bill (twice, if you include when he was President) is an excellent defense.  

 

14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yep.  Chainsaw will throw a tantrum, but the polling had everything in that bill very popular with Americans. 

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Another way to look at it would be to say that Dems (Kamala voters) are roughly split down the middle on the bill, which is why it's a wedge issue.  And a slight majority opposed making it easier to deport migrants and making it harder to get asylum. 

The other two items which weren't asked:

1. "Continue to build the wall for which funds were previously budgeted".  The bill would have required Biden to continue to build the wall/fence which had previously been budgeted.  That's a pretty big symbolic fuck-you to immigrant advocates. 

2. "Provide legislative protections for DACA Dreamers?" or "Provide a path to citizenship for DACA Dreamers?" - That was a major Democratic goal that was completely ignored in the bill.  That's the thing you trade some of the other shit for.  

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19 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

of course he will. he is a loser. he loses at everything he does. I really have no idea how 70M Americans voted for this idiot. he is absolutely incompetent at everything other than conning gullible people. (and I just answered my own question.)

They love him because deep down they know they’re losers too. 
 

And, of course, fucking weirdos 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

What does this mean exactly?

 

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Seems like I've seen that "she won't answer questions" or something. No idea what they're talking about. They've been kinda busy, lol.

The press, in particular CNN and the NYT, are very pissed off about the fact that she hasn't had a pressed or done a sit down interview since she become the nominee apparent.  And they would have a point, except for a couple things. 
First, the press, in particular CNN and NYT, has very loudly been trying to manifest the end of the Harris honeymoon, and are very actively pushing angles fed to them by the Trump campaign, ie the Very Serious Questions involving Command Sgt Maj. Tim Walz retiring after only 24 years of service.  It's bullshit, and the Harris campaign are telling them to stop trying to make "fetch" happen, because it's not going to happen. 
Second, and much more importantly - the value of a press event or a sit down exclusive interview for politician during a campaign is normally because the press can provide them with a platform to either define themselves or do damage control. But that this moment, Harris and Walz are in command of the news cycle and successfully defining themselves without need of someone else's platform and with no damage to control. 

13 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Allred is the Floyd Casey Stadium of candidates. 

A key part of my childhood that has been replaced by shiny corporatism?

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Harris should absolutely continue the Biden policy of no New York Times interviews because fuck them.  She should continue it for the rest of her campaign and for her entire presidency. 

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

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You know who else was absolutely great at that? George W Bush.  And the pool reporters treated him very kindly as a result. Good strategy. 

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Gaza is dead last among issues with RVs in that Marquette Poll 

Economy - 38
Immigration - 15
Abortion - 10
Medicare/SS - 10
Ensuring fair elections - 10
Health care - 5
Foreign relations - 3
Gaza - 2

It's tied for last with foreign relations for Dems and it's pretty darn low for independents too

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In the spirit of retaking American patriotism from the traitors, I would love to see the campaign embrace this and other pro-Union (both the Union and unions) songs. Let's make the right lose their fucking minds over The Battle Cry of Freedom, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, John Brown's Body, and a dozen Pete Seeger songs.  

If expanding the 2020 map is on the table, then do that business in Charlotte, Raleigh, and I guess Miami. 
 

Leave Texas for another time. 

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Gaza is dead last among issues with RVs in that Marquette Poll 

Economy In Gaza - 38
Immigration To and From Gaza - 15
Abortion - 10
Medicare In Gaza - 10
Ensuring fair elections Not in Gaza - 10
Health care In Gaza - 5
Foreign relations with Gaza- 3
Gaza - 2

It's tied for last with foreign relations for Dems and it's pretty darn low for independents too

Fixed it above for how Chainsaw reads that poll.

“Hardly anybody in our party gives a shit about human suffering” is a weird flex. 

7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

 

In the spirit of retaking American patriotism from the traitors, I would love to see the campaign embrace this and other pro-Union (both the Union and unions) songs. Let's make the right lose their fucking minds over The Battle Cry of Freedom, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, John Brown's Body, and a dozen Pete Seeger songs.  

This is very divisive. - Confederate flag wavers

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

“Hardly anybody in our party gives a shit about human suffering” is a weird flex. 

I think it's more that people are more concerned for their own economic situation and their own rights. 

2 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

“Hardly anybody in our party gives a shit about human suffering” is a weird flex. 

No. It just means other issues are more important to them. Not sure why that is so hard for certain people to accept. 

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

In the spirit of retaking American patriotism from the traitors, I would love to see the campaign embrace this and other pro-Union (both the Union and unions) songs. Let's make the right lose their fucking minds over The Battle Cry of Freedom, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, John Brown's Body, and a dozen Pete Seeger songs. 

I agree, but Bon Iver makes my ears bleed.  I get that he's from Wisconsin so that's great for them, but can we get Tyler Childers or Jason Isbell or Sturgill Simpson out in the rest of the country please?

2 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

“Hardly anybody in our party gives a shit about human suffering” is a weird flex. 

Did I say I didn't care about Human Suffering? Please, point it out.

Can't do anything about the situation if you don't beat Trump in an election, which you know. 

Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

I agree, but Bon Iver makes my ears bleed.  I get that he's from Wisconsin so that's great for them, but can we get Tyler Childers or Jason Isbell or Sturgill Simpson out in the rest of the country please?

I like Bon Iver, but it seems like not exactly who you would want at your rally. "They're all asleep now." 

Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

I agree, but Bon Iver makes my ears bleed.  I get that he's from Wisconsin so that's great for them, but can we get Tyler Childers or Jason Isbell or Sturgill Simpson out in the rest of the country please?

Simpson just released a new album. It's pretty good. And the motherfucker is only coming to Texas once for ACL. I'm pissed. 

Isbell was great touring with Zach Bryan, though. That show was the tits. 

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

This is very divisive. - Confederate flag wavers

The song was insanely popular among even the confederates, to the point where they tried to steal the song and make it anti-union.

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

100,000 people at a rally? Okay, go book Kyle Field or Neyland and see if you sell out 


he’d fill up Kyle field, those dumb fucks love trump 

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Simpson just released a new album. It's pretty good. And the motherfucker is only coming to Texas once for ACL. I'm pissed. 

Isbell was great touring with Zach Bryan, though. That show was the tits. 

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5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I agree, but Bon Iver makes my ears bleed.  I get that he's from Wisconsin so that's great for them, but can we get Tyler Childers or Jason Isbell or Sturgill Simpson out in the rest of the country please?

Agreed. 

3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

That and we can't watch the Olympics without being blasted by Harris ads.  Nothing for Trump.

The media needs to start asking where the money went.

It went into crypto so Trump can access it when he's living in Russia.

3 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


he’d fill up Kyle field, those dumb fucks love trump 

Just like to remind people that Biden won most of the precincts that cover aggy

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8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I agree, but Bon Iver makes my ears bleed.  I get that he's from Wisconsin so that's great for them, but can we get Tyler Childers or Jason Isbell or Sturgill Simpson out in the rest of the country please?

Wait til Beyonce and Taylor show up in Sept/Oct and blow the doors off.  MAGA heads will explode.

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

She needs to do sit down interviews and press conferences, I guess. 

Like said above, she's been kind of busy getting a campaign off the ground in 17 days, introducing herself to voters and picking a running mate. 

She's doing fine.  She doesn't need to let Donald  and company dictate how she runs for President.

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Dem consultant Culvert did a Miami-Dade poll and Harris is winning it by 15.  Biden only won it by 8, while losing the state by 3.5

May not be enough to win FL, but that's a real good recovery in an area Dems have struggled with since Clinton won it by 30

10 hours ago, NorthLoop said:

I'll add to this conversation about war combat. My dad was drafted out of UT law school in '70 to go to Vietnam. Since he had a degree, he was given a desk job in Saigon. Didn't see action on the front lines, but his entire hotel was blown to bits by a VC kid on a bicycle. My dad was down the street when it happened but lost a handful of friends. Later he would get a nasty intestinal bug and had to be med flighted back to the states. He always said he would never complain about that being that the guys on that plane with him were in way worse shape than him. He was always shy about talking about his tour and never wanted people to think of him as a vet since he wasn't in the jungle getting shot at, but he still fucking served and did his duty, and almost died for it. JV Vance can lick my dad's taint. 

You probably should check with your dad on that. 

3 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

Reminds me of my grandfather, who grew up poor as fuck in central Texas, and had to hunt for food. He always said the only guns a man needs are a .30-06 and a 20 gauge. He eventually became a .270 guy, but he maintained his convention that owning more than a couple of guns made you weird AF. 

Mine would have said 30-30, but yeah. 

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Dem consultant Culvert did a Miami-Dade poll and Harris is winning it by 15.  Biden only won it by 8, while losing the state by 3.5

May not be enough to win FL, but that's a real good recovery in an area Dems have struggled with since Clinton won it by 30

Isn't abortion on the ballot in FL?

58 minutes ago, Chopper said:

The full-on nutters at the WSJ editorial board, the weirdest and most extreme editorial board of a major US newspaper for many decades, are concerned:

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I'm actually somewhat surprised I haven't seen a WSJ editorial criticizing the Biden deal that brought Gershkovich home.

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Isn't abortion on the ballot in FL?

And weed! 

6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Dem consultant Culvert did a Miami-Dade poll and Harris is winning it by 15.  Biden only won it by 8, while losing the state by 3.5

May not be enough to win FL, but that's a real good recovery in an area Dems have struggled with since Clinton won it by 30

I'd suggest Kamala pay for Desantis to go around Florida and stump for Trump to boost those numbers even more.

12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Just like to remind people that Biden won most of the precincts that cover aggy

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aggy has a much larger footprint in the state of Texas. To our point, droves of MAGA dumbfucks, whether they're aggy or not, would drive to Kyle Field for a Trump rally.  

4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Isn't abortion on the ballot in FL?

 

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

And weed! 

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out at the ballot box, but polling seems to indicate that when you offer Floridians a chance to vote on specific policies, they are choosing the progressive position. But somehow when you add people and political parties to that, they choose the person and party that are against the policies that they vote for on the same ballot. 

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

 

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out at the ballot box, but polling seems to indicate that when you offer Floridians a chance to vote on specific policies, they are choosing the progressive position. But somehow when you add people and political parties to that, they choose the person and party that are against the policies that they vote for on the same ballot. 

That happens in a lot of red states.  Ohio, Kansas...

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

That happens in a lot of red states.  Ohio, Kansas...

The cognitive dissonance is migraine inducing. 

5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

aggy has a much larger footprint in the state of Texas. To our point, droves of MAGA dumbfucks, whether they're aggy or not, would drive to Kyle Field for a Trump rally.  


showing up to a rally and voting are two different animals 

28 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I think it's more that people are more concerned for their own economic situation and their own rights. 

I’ve been in isla mujeres for 5 days and have overheard two different boomer couples talking about “Biden inflation” and “the economy”. They are going back to the hits because they know they are losing. 

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:


showing up to a rally and voting are two different animals 

Not like the Trump campaign would have organizers there registering voters, getting contact info for voter contacts, etc. 

Polling numbers are very much bringing many states into play 

Down the ballot R’s are so fuuuuuucked 😂😂😂

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33 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Gaza is dead last among issues with RVs in that Marquette Poll 

Economy - 38
Immigration - 15
Abortion - 10
Medicare/SS - 10
Ensuring fair elections - 10
Health care - 5
Foreign relations - 3
Gaza - 2

It's tied for last with foreign relations for Dems and it's pretty darn low for independents too

Correct. I'm strongly opposed to how that war is conducted, but it's nowhere close to my top concern in this election. A few days ago, I posted a separate poll from either Pew or Gallup with similar results, showing that it was the top concern for only 1% of the public. Another one showed that even among college students, it was the lowest of their priorities.

Now, I completely understand if you're a Palestinian-American and you have relatives over there who are either dead, homeless, or being detained, why you'd be pissed off. But, as I've said for several months now, the campus protests (I think) have been largely counterproductive. And doing it at campaign events against a candidate who likely agrees with you isn't helpful at all.

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Remember when the Sand Aggys did that very thing when we pulled VY and Chance Mock led the comeback against Tech?  

"Give him a CHANCE and he won't MOCK the opportunity"

13 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

“Hardly anybody in our party gives a shit about human suffering” is a weird flex. 

We all see the suffering and it's terrible but I'll be god dammed pissed if somehow, someway that's the issue that might help Trump get re-elected because soon afterward we'll be in the same boat. It's also less justifiable than what's going on in Ukraine.  The leaders they elected started a fight they can't finish and their civilians are paying the price for that. 

If that seems harsh, I'm old enough to remember the raid on Entebbe, Black September at the '72 Olympics, the Achille Lauro, and people blowing themselves up in cafes and busses in Israel, a lot of which predates Hamas.  

15 minutes ago, Js1 said:

And weed! 

I read this in Jon Stewart’s voice. 

39 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

 

In the spirit of retaking American patriotism from the traitors, I would love to see the campaign embrace this and other pro-Union (both the Union and unions) songs. Let's make the right lose their fucking minds over The Battle Cry of Freedom, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, John Brown's Body, and a dozen Pete Seeger songs.  

John Seeger? It’s Bob Seger.

13 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

 

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out at the ballot box, but polling seems to indicate that when you offer Floridians a chance to vote on specific policies, they are choosing the progressive position. But somehow when you add people and political parties to that, they choose the person and party that are against the policies that they vote for on the same ballot. 

IMO that is most voter bases when given the option....it's why red states rarely put progressive stuff up for votes but rather forced laws. 

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