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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

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14 minutes ago, Tuco said:

NE-2 [Remington Research Group Aug14-17]

Harris 50

Trump 42

By comparison, the same polling has these numbers for NE-2 Congress: 

Vargas (D): 44

Bacon(R, Incumbent): 46

I really hope Tony can pull it out against Bacon.  

Nebraska Examiner article

 

 

 

I should note that Vance is coming to NE-2 today.  So, I imagine the polling will change up after he holds a packed rally and goes to the Valentinos pizza buffet.  Wait..what's that?  Vance is coming to town for the sole purpose going to a $1000/plate fundraiser with the Ricketts family?  That sounds about right. 

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Just now, Tuco said:

I should note that Vance is coming to NE-2 today.  So, I imagine the polling will change up after he holds a packed rally and goes to the Valentinos pizza buffet.  Wait..what's that?  Vance is coming to town for the sole purpose going to a $1000/plate fundraiser with the Ricketts family?  That sounds about right. 

Walz should send an order of Runzas to the event 

Keep in mind that most don't know jack shit about this atrocity. If it's already that far under water with Independents then this thing is DOA - which is why the Democrats' smart play is to make the GOP own it.

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

Talk about it at the fucking debate, and at the DNC, so people can tune in and see it, and google for themselves. Becuase I guarantee you there are a fuck ton of curious people watching harris and walz right now, and will watch the debates, looking for reasons to vote D. 

17 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

only for those of us wonks who get into this stuff. 

What I'd do:

1. Highlight the worst parts of it that they are most likely to implement;

2. Attach Trump to it (his name is ALL over that document in spite of him lying about not knowing anything about it) - he's also on record as saying he was going to do many of the things documented in it;

3. Blast that all over media until election day. 

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2 hours ago, Slacks said:

Full circle. Democrats sounding like Republicans. Freedom, Rule of Law. Accountability. Sounds Conservative. Suspicious.

Is conservative.  Not "sounds."  Is.

I'm still pretty damned conservative.  I favor free trade and the international financial order that has made the United States of America the dominant financial and mercantile power in the world.  I don't want to repeal our free-trade agreements, rethink the monetary policies that have made the Dollar the world's reserve currency, or entertain the idea of defaulting on our debts.

I favor adhering to our international obligations, from Europe to East Asia.  NATO is the strongest mutual-defense organization in the history of the world, and has preserved the peace in Europe for nearly 80 years, which is the longest that continent has gone without a major war since . . . ever.  And in East Asia, our defense treaties with Japan and South Korea have fostered an economic environment that has led to an economic expansion throughout Asia while enriching Americans.

I favor preserving freedom of thought and expression.  Of ensuring Americans are free to make their own decisions about their property, their religion, and their bodies.

At the same time, I favor preserving the social safety net that we have built up over the past 90 years.  And where there are holes in that safety net, either in its original construction or because new economic developments have torn holes in it, it should be repaired.

All of these are conservative values.  These are the values that would be supported by any conservative party.

But the GQP today is not a conservative party.  It is a reactionary party.  And reactionism is not "conservativism."

27 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

Don't.  People know they don't like it even if they don't know precisely what it is.  "Project 2025" has just become a buzzword for "scary shit that Trumpublicans are going to do if they get back into power."

Use that.  Feed it.  Say "Project 2025" over and over again with ominous and foreboding music in the background.

Just please, for the love of god, don't go into a discussion of Schedule F trying to reach people who you think don't know enough about Project 2025.

2 hours ago, Slacks said:

Full circle. Democrats sounding like Republicans. Freedom, Rule of Law. Accountability. Sounds Conservative. Suspicious.

Or sounds normal? Not bat shit crazy like the shit you're hearing for the past 10 years from the other side? It's not Project 2025, ya know the new conservative views? They're playing to the exact crowd they need to play to in order to win the election and to win the house and senate moving forward so that things can actually get fucking done. That crowd being the moderate conservative and undecideds.....

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Whenever Project 2025 is mentioned, it needs to be said as "Trump's Project 2025".  Attach his name to it every fucking time. 

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37 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If most people still don't know about it, how do you reach them? It's been blasted repeatedly for at least the last two months.

Anyone posting here is much more attuned to politics than the average bear. I have a lifelong friend that fancies himself an independent. He made a comment to me that he wishes that JD Vance was a the top of the ticket for the R’s because he’s younger and less crazy than Trump. This friend happens to have three children as a result of IVF. I’m happily married and childless by choice. I asked my buddy if he was aware of Vance’s views on IVF or on people like my wife and me. He thought I was making shit up because what I was saying was so insane. I sent him some links to back it up and let’s just say it was eye opening for him.

These are the people that we need to reach. There are a lot of people out there who don’t pay attention to politics like posters on this board do. It’s not the MAGA faithful we need to reach. It’s the folks living their lives who just don’t pay attention to this stuff day to day like we do. Find something the resonates with these people, like IVF access in my example, and hammer it. That’s what works.

3 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Whenever Project 2025 is mentioned, it needs to be said as "Trump's Project 2025".  Attach his name to it every fucking time. 

Just like the Trump Abortion Bans 

5 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Is conservative.  Not "sounds."  Is.

I'm still pretty damned conservative.  I favor free trade and the international financial order that has made the United States of America the dominant financial and mercantile power in the world.  I don't want to repeal our free-trade agreements, rethink the monetary policies that have made the Dollar the world's reserve currency, or entertain the idea of defaulting on our debts.

I favor adhering to our international obligations, from Europe to East Asia.  NATO is the strongest mutual-defense organization in the history of the world, and has preserved the peace in Europe for nearly 80 years, which is the longest that continent has gone without a major war since . . . ever.  And in East Asia, our defense treaties with Japan and South Korea have fostered an economic environment that has led to an economic expansion throughout Asia while enriching Americans.

I favor preserving freedom of thought and expression.  Of ensuring Americans are free to make their own decisions about their property, their religion, and their bodies.

At the same time, I favor preserving the social safety net that we have built up over the past 90 years.  And where there are holes in that safety net, either in its original construction or because new economic developments have torn holes in it, it should be repaired.

All of these are conservative values.  These are the values that would be supported by any conservative party.

But the GQP today is not a conservative party.  It is a reactionary party.  And reactionism is not "conservativism."

Don't.  People know they don't like it even if they don't know precisely what it is.  "Project 2025" has just become a buzzword for "scary shit that Trumpublicans are going to do if they get back into power."

Use that.  Feed it.  Say "Project 2025" over and over again with ominous and foreboding music in the background.

Just please, for the love of god, don't go into a discussion of Schedule F trying to reach people who you think don't know enough about Project 2025.

All of this.

If you actually get a moment to maybe influence a low information swing voter, do it quickly, do it simply, and don't do it in a way that you could be dismissed as Chicken Little. Anyone who doesn't already know what P25 is doesn't have the capacity and/or the willingness to listen to anything that sounds partisan or wonkish. Walz gave the the template. Something something, weird something. Use it, and drop the subject. That's how you get the uninformed on board.

59 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Or sounds normal? Not bat shit crazy like the shit you're hearing for the past 10 years from the other side? It's not Project 2025, ya know the new conservative views? They're playing to the exact crowd they need to play to in order to win the election and to win the house and senate moving forward so that things can actually get fucking done. That crowd being the moderate conservative and undecideds.....

As LBJ observed, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

The meaning of "conservative" began disappearing from the gop's values in the days of Nixon. Reagan and the "moral majority" began the evisceration of the remainder. Once Newt took control it all became about power and control, solely, for that party.

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2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Nice hat:

 

Sure, but if you wear that, somebody might sit next to you at the sushi bar.

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Oh those poor janitors at MAL

 

 

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RE: Branding

CSB/  I live in a bright red pocket of a dark blue county...  This past Saturday, the doorbelll rang and I found my state representative (Rep) standing there with some flyers.   I was not prepared and wanted to be polite so I took his flyer, looked it over quickly.  He introduced himself and asked if I had any questions for him.   I asked if he was a Republican, he said yes.  I then told him that HE was the party of Trump and I would not be voting for either of them.  He was a little taken aback, but as a smooth politician he handled it well and turned to walk away.  As I was closing the door, I heard him say He was NOT the Party of Trump he was the party of himself.  It sounded like he was reassuring himself as he walked back down the driveway.

FIN

I hope he thinks about how he and his reputation are stained shitbag orange.   Although he's probably going to be my rep again.  Fuck you Gerrymandering

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4 hours ago, DaysOff said:

Give it up Jason. Their brains are gone and they're never coming back. LBJ said I fear we've lost the southern white man for a generation. He didn't know how long a generation was.

They never lost me.  I’ve voted Dem since I registered in 1970.  Like Patches,  I was born and raised down in Alabama.  I’ll vote for a mongrel yellow dog for president before I ever vote for a Republican.  These Zombies don’t know where they’re going or what they’re doing.  Too many fools being led around by National Socialist wannabes and dog whistling talking heads on Fox Hate News, the polar opposite of Enlightenment.

The "Election Rumor Research" team (at the UW Center for an Informed Public) just set up a new Substack to help communicate rapid analyses of rumors related to election administration and election integrity: https://uwcip.substack.com/p/the-center-for-an-informed-publics   

They will feature rapid analyses of how emerging rumors about voting and election administration are spreading across social media platforms as well as insights into broader patterns in election rumors (e.g. the network structure of online influence, common techniques of content manipulation).

 

4 hours ago, Chopper said:

Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood would have been better at reaching Southern whites than Jason Isbell.

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Someone explain to me how it's legal or acceptable for this to happen. Biden needs to handle this with Netanyahu immediately. 

 

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Someone explain to me how it's legal or acceptable for this to happen. Biden needs to handle this with Netanyahu immediately. 
 

It’s not legal. It’s a crime. Logan act.
Just now, MrBig said:

Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood would have been better at reaching Southern whites than Jason Isbell.

Nah, Garth Brooks is too woke now for southern whites after he sided with Bud Light last year or whenever that was. 

Just now, Brisketexan said:


It’s not legal. It’s a crime. Logan act.

 . . . that is never enforced, in part because there are major First Amendment issues with it.

But anyway, yeah--go on you fun Palestinian protestors and tell me how awful "Genocide Joe" and the Democrats are.

9 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Someone explain to me how it's legal or acceptable for this to happen. Biden needs to handle this with Netanyahu immediately. 

 

Its not legal, just like buying cocaine isn't legal. You only get in trouble if you get caught with the bag

All I know is Biden looks like an absolute fool letting this happen. Bibi is a criminal looking for a soft landing if Trump wins the election.

Cut off the damn money or force a ceasefire now. 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Someone explain to me how it's legal or acceptable for this to happen. Biden needs to handle this with Netanyahu immediately. 

 

The case could be made that Trump is now unequivocally a national and global security threat and the SCOTUS has already written that Biden would be well within his legal rights to take care of threats...

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

All I know is Biden looks like an absolute fool letting this happen. Bibi is a criminal looking for a soft landing if Trump wins the election.

Cut off the damn money or force a ceasefire now. 

 

 

 

Calm the fuck down. This is an unproven report in the last 48 hours tops. 

37 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh those poor janitors at MAL

 

 

FAKE NEWS! I HAD ONE THOUSAND TIMES AS MANY VIEWERS MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! - Trump, probably

1 minute ago, immamac said:

Calm the fuck down. This is an unproven report in the last 48 hours tops. 

Bibi and Trump met at Mar-A-Lago recently and are talking on the phone as well. It's completely unacceptable and compromises national security. In normal times this would be a massive scandal. 

 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Calm the fuck down. This is an unproven report in the last 48 hours tops. 

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. It's pretty well known that Bibi needs Trump to win.

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sure sure sure. So let's get biden to do something drastic and massive on unconfirmed anything. That's definitely the right thing for the president of the United States to do based on rumors and major foreign policy. 

Do you even presidential immunity brah?

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Just now, immamac said:

Sure sure sure. So let's get biden to do something drastic and massive on unconfirmed anything. That's definitely the right thing for the president of the United States to do based on rumors and major foreign policy. 

You're missing the point. Bibi should not be meeting and discussing negotiations with Trump. Period.

 

36 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Someone explain to me how it's legal or acceptable for this to happen. Biden needs to handle this with Netanyahu immediately. 

 

It is illegal - it is a violation of the Logan Act but only two people ever have been indicted and neither were convicted. 

And Trump isn't the first to violate it, Nixon most famously violated it to help his campaigns in 1968 while some theorize Reagan violated it 1980 to help his. Nixon's actions were the most egregious in that it prevented a possible end to the Vietnam war:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/

Regan and the October Surprise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory

TLDR - Same shit, different day. 

9 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sure sure sure. So let's get biden to do something drastic and massive on unconfirmed anything. That's definitely the right thing for the president of the United States to do based on rumors and major foreign policy. 

I mean it's not like they'll do anything if it's unconfirmed. Biden ain't reading Surly. I just suspect if it's true they already know what was said and there will be a response.

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

You're missing the point. Bibi should not be meeting and discussing negotiations with Trump. Period.

 

You are missing the point. I understand your point clearly. Everyone is telling you it's illegal and shouldn't happen. 

Trump doing illegal shit has nothing to do with Biden doing incredibly stupid and reckless shit. 

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

You are missing the point. I understand your point clearly. Everyone is telling you it's illegal and shouldn't happen. 

Trump doing illegal shit has nothing to do with Biden doing incredibly stupid and reckless shit. 

You're seeing monsters under the bed that don't exist. Biden isn't going to do shit on an unconfirmed report. You're freaking out about people on a message board speculating.

In my estimation, the likelihood of it being real is very high. What do you think Biden should do if it is confirmed Trump did this? What's the move that isn't "stupid and reckless"?

e: grammah

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5 minutes ago, immamac said:

You are missing the point. I understand your point clearly. Everyone is telling you it's illegal and shouldn't happen. 

Trump doing illegal shit has nothing to do with Biden doing incredibly stupid and reckless shit. 

God damn, how do you get things exactly wrong so often?  This isn't on Biden, it's on Trump.  Biden is still POTUS and he has an obligation to manage foreign policy accordingly.

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Calm the fuck down. This is an unproven report in the last 48 hours tops. 

Sure sure sure. So let's get biden to do something drastic and massive on unconfirmed anything. That's definitely the right thing for the president of the United States to do based on rumors and major foreign policy. 

You're seeing monsters under the bed that don't exist. Biden isn't going to do shit on an unconfirmed report. You're freaking out about people on a message board speculating.
In my estimation, the likelihood of it being real is very high. What do you think Biden should do if it is confirmed Trump did this? What's the move that isn't "stupid and reckless"?
e: grammah

What makes you think that a conversation that a world leader had with dipshit Dotard…on an unsecured line…is “unconfirmed?” We know exactly what was said on that call.
And the smart play is for the Biden admin to use it as back channel leverage against Bibi, right now. The public won’t know about it, but Bibi just gave you a gift. Use it.
1 hour ago, royiv said:

Anyone posting here is much more attuned to politics than the average bear. I have a lifelong friend that fancies himself an independent. He made a comment to me that he wishes that JD Vance was a the top of the ticket for the R’s because he’s younger and less crazy than Trump. This friend happens to have three children as a result of IVF. I’m happily married and childless by choice. I asked my buddy if he was aware of Vance’s views on IVF or on people like my wife and me. He thought I was making shit up because what I was saying was so insane. I sent him some links to back it up and let’s just say it was eye opening for him.

These are the people that we need to reach. There are a lot of people out there who don’t pay attention to politics like posters on this board do. It’s not the MAGA faithful we need to reach. It’s the folks living their lives who just don’t pay attention to this stuff day to day like we do. Find something the resonates with these people, like IVF access in my example, and hammer it. That’s what works.

Back when Hillary was SOS, I was not too informed politically except for policies that had some direct bearing on my life, like ACA.

One day, no matter what news source I passively consumed, all I heard was Bengazi this and Bengazi that. I was so late to the party that all sources had already moved on from the actual events and facts and were involved in the implications and hearings drama...so I figured it must be serious.

When I finally got around to doing the most basic of research (wiki) after the smoke had cleared, I was left saying to myself..."is that all there was to that? What's the big fucking deal?"

I decided from that point to be a little better informed and incolved.

 

9 minutes ago, immamac said:

You are missing the point. I understand your point clearly. Everyone is telling you it's illegal and shouldn't happen. 

Trump doing illegal shit has nothing to do with Biden doing incredibly stupid and reckless shit. 

Especially when we are in the middle of tying Harris to everything Biden has done.  He must have said “Kamala and I” a dozen times in his speech last night. 

3 hours ago, Chopper said:

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A former Washington Post reporter's dismantling of the political press. The full article is well worth a read. Link at bottom.

 

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https://newrepublic.com/article/184990/pundit-brained-media-democratic-convention

We have flipped to the back of the chose your own adventure book to make the correct choice.

Mass media has a built in narrative, and Biden stepping down threw their bullshit into a tailspin.

This meeting, and just what we see on this recording, is completely unacceptable. Period. Happened 3 weeks ago.

 

13 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

It's immune from prosecution....

If you think you're the President.

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

God damn, how do you get things exactly wrong so often?  This isn't on Biden, it's on Trump.  Biden is still POTUS and he has an obligation to manage foreign policy accordingly.

Yeah he's president of the United States. Not fucking Israel. Pull your head out of your ass. Brisket gave a great answer

 

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

This meeting, and just what we see on this recording, is completely unacceptable. Period. Happened 3 weeks ago.

 

What exactly would you do if you were President about this? 

1 hour ago, locodos said:

RE: Branding

CSB/  I live in a bright red pocket of a dark blue county...  This past Saturday, the doorbelll rang and I found my state representative (Rep) standing there with some flyers.   I was not prepared and wanted to be polite so I took his flyer, looked it over quickly.  He introduced himself and asked if I had any questions for him.   I asked if he was a Republican, he said yes.  I then told him that HE was the party of Trump and I would not be voting for either of them.  He was a little taken aback, but as a smooth politician he handled it well and turned to walk away.  As I was closing the door, I heard him say He was NOT the Party of Trump he was the party of himself.  It sounded like he was reassuring himself as he walked back down the driveway.

FIN

I hope he thinks about how he and his reputation are stained shitbag orange.   Although he's probably going to be my rep again.  Fuck you Gerrymandering

You think you heard a man who is quesiotning whether his reputaiton is stained, and I think I heard a man advocating for his own party that swears fealty one day. 

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