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52 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Georgia is very easy to see going back to Trump, and I consider that likely.  There is too much smoke that black voters are not as energized for Biden this round, and that is what carried him in GA.  That gets Trump to 251.  PA gets Trump over the line but it’s hard to see that happening and hard to see Michigan going for Trump either.  To me, Trump’s path is to win GA and then get Wisconsin and Arizona close enough to have the Supreme Court decide for him.  It’s pretty unlikely.  But not impossible.  I would say it’s more likely Biden wins 2020 plus NC than it is Trump gets to 270.

47 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Wrong

 

Yeah..... Biden outpaced expectations in the counties surrounding Fulton.  The suburban college educated apathetic citizen that Trump woke up with his incompetence first term needs to be reminded why they bothered voting for the first time in a decade in 2020.  

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17 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

 

Yeah..... Biden outpaced expectations in the counties surrounding Fulton.  The suburban college educated apathetic citizen that Trump woke up with his incompetence first term needs to be reminded why they bothered voting for the first time in a decade in 2020.  

Joe Biden is in no universe losing black voters to Donald Trump either

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6 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Joe Biden is in no universe losing black voters to Donald Trump

Sorry... wasn't clear.  We are in agreement.  My point is it wasn't just the black turnout that won Georgia for Biden.  In fact, I'd suggest it was secondary to Biden winning the Atlanta suburbs.

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9 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

Sorry... wasn't clear.  We are in agreement.  My point is it wasn't just the black turnout that won Georgia for Biden.  In fact, I'd suggest it was secondary to Biden winning the Atlanta suburbs.

See edit, was trying to build off your point. In order for Joe Biden to win Georgia he needs black voters and college educated suburbanites. Both groups are going to overwhelmingly support him.

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3 hours ago, C-Man said:

CNN with some harrowing poll numbers a few moments ago with regard to Biden's slipping popularity with black/hispanic votes. Down from 81% in 2020 to 70% in 2024. Trump is up from 10% to 21% with those same voters. Black voters 50+ are 85% for Biden, 8% for Trump. Under-50 black voters are 64% Biden, 27% Trump. Breaking that down to the battleground state level, the EC flips from 303-235 in favor of Biden to 291-247 for Trump, according to Five Thirty Eight.

(This was an Average of CNN/SSRS, NBC News, ABC News/IPSOS and Pew Research.)

Somebody please tell me we can disregard all of the above. Please.

You can disregard all of the above.

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56 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

when literally everything out of his mouth is a lie, he doesn't have to nor can he keep track of the lies. And if anyone calls out the lie, he'll say they never said it. The requisite number of people will believe it and he'll get away with the lie like he always does. At least in the court of public opinion.

See Trump telling donors this past weekend that he’d have bombed Russia and China by now.

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13 minutes ago, C-Man said:

See Trump telling donors this past weekend that he’d have bombed Russia and China by now.

which is an interesting departure from "I would have had this negotiated and over in a few days." lol, what a maroon

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It used to be, back in the day, that if you said that you would have started World War 3 by now, you might lose some support. Like, all of it. 

 

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3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

You can disregard all of the above.

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To that question, there was just a piece on MSNBC where a pollster describes how voters who almost never vote and who did not voted in 2020 are going bigly for Trump when polled.

The question is, will the non-voters show up in 2024 when the highest turnout voter turnout in history in 2020 found those very same people staying home.

I have a suspicion that the RNC becoming a Trump entity that will not spend money on stupid things - like local offices in important states to get out the vote - might have an impact.

I think it is all gloomy, but maybe not as terrifying if the pills show you’re losing the people who don’t vote anyway. Naturally, this will be terrifying if these assholes do vote.

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

 

The question is, will the non-voters show up in 2024 when the highest turnout voter turnout in history in 2020 found those very same people staying home.

If this does occur, it would defy all logic and natural laws.  I think all of these people are full of shit and just like to stir the pot.  And if not, well, we had an ok run.

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Op-Ed from the NYTimes's Charles Blow on how Trump's dangling of pardons to some hip hop artists has built their support and might be influencing some of their fans:

How a Coterie of Rappers Became Trump Evangelists

One oddity of Donald Trump’s Bronx rally last week was when the former president invited two rappers — Michael Williams, who performs as Sheff G, and Tegan Chambers, who performs as Sleepy Hallow — to the stage.

Both rappers are facing felony charges. And that fact actually makes their appearance at the rally make sense — it tracks with Trump’s seemingly transactional relationship with several hip-hop artists, a history of which I have no doubt Sheff G and Sleepy Hallow are aware.

For instance, just days before the 2020 election, the rapper Lil Wayne, who was weeks away from pleading guilty to a federal gun charge that could have resulted in significant prison time, met with Trump in Florida. Afterward, Wayne posted a picture of the two of them together flashing thumbs-ups and reading, “Besides what he’s done so far with criminal reform, the Platinum Plan is going to give the community real ownership.”

The Platinum Plan was Trump’s Black economic empowerment proposal that was announced toward the end of that year’s presidential race. In what certainly looked a lot like a quid pro quo, Trump pardoned Wayne as he was leaving office.

Trump has had an interesting relationship with hip-hop. For decades, particularly during the “get money” period of the genre, rappers would often name check Trump in their songs.

As the journalist and radio host Farai Chideya says in the new Hulu documentary “Hip-Hop and the White House”: “There are definitely aspects of Trump’s personality and actions that call to the baser nature of hip-hop.” She hypothesizes that at least in the past, the misogynistic cohort within hip-hop may have looked at Trump’s unrestrained sexism and saw it as aspirational.

But it was the hustler-cum-gangster vibe of Trump, particularly with his ostentatious displays of wealth, that endeared him to many in the rap community.

In the documentary, the rapper Waka Flocka Flame goes as far as saying that Trump was more like Tupac Shakur — a monumental figure in hip-hop — than Barack Obama was. That notion is, of course, highly offensive, since Shakur was the son of a Black Panther, grew up around the Panthers, and the organization’s ethos influenced his music and thinking.

But in the run-up to Trump’s first presidential race, in which he amplified birther conspiracy theories, questioning Obama’s citizenship and legitimacy, Black America was reminded of Trump’s history of racist words and deeds and his name became persona non grata in most of the hip-hop world.

Then Trump found a cheap and easy way to win favor with a few big names, (and not just in the hip-hop community): the apparent dangling of presidential pardons.
And the efficacy of this approach is almost undeniable.

In 2018, when Kanye West made a spectacle of himself in the Oval Office — wearing a MAGA hat and hugging Trump — he brought along an attorney representing Larry Hoover, a Chicago gang kingpin serving several life sentences. The meeting included discussions of prison reform and the effects of crime in Chicago, but West also argued for clemency for Hoover, saying at one point, “It’s very important for me to get Hoover out.”

Trump didn’t pardon Hoover, but he reaped the benefit of having the imprimatur of a Black superstar, at least until his relationship with West cooled a few years later.

After reportedly receiving encouragement from the rapper Snoop Dogg, Trump did commute the drug trafficking sentence of a Death Row Records co-founder, Michael Harris, known as Harry-O. And this year, Snoop Dogg — who was once a vocal Trump critic — said, “I have nothing but love and respect for Donald Trump.”
The rapper Kodak Black may have crystallized the link between Trump and clemency for figures in the rap industry when he was asked by the hosts of the “Drink Champs” podcast how his own commutation from Trump came about. Black joked, “I’m Mafioso, bruh,” illustrating the way that Trump has treated pardons and commutations: like gifts from a mob boss.

As the Harvard professor Brandon Terry, who has studied the aesthetics and sociology of hip-hop and Black youth cultures, told me, Trump’s grants of clemency “feed that kind of heroic, solidaristic picture of him as a strong man dispensing favor to people who stay in line.”

The way Trump uses the pardon power reduces our conception of justice to capricious acts of forgiveness, not so much bestowed as traded for loyalty, creating unwritten indentureship for the recipients.

Pretty clearly, Trump believes in an inherent and endemic link between Blackness and criminality. In a 2016 debate, he said that minorities in inner cities “are living in hell.” In 2020, he falsely implied that the 2020 election was stolen from him partly due to cheating in major cities with large Black populations. This year, he suggested that Black people identify with him because he has a mug shot.

The rot at the core of these beliefs is unmistakable, and yet a number of rappers have still allowed themselves to be used as Trump’s pawns.

Corey Miles, a Tulane University sociology professor who studies the relationship of trap music, a subgenre of hip-hop, to the carceral state, says that Trump is “double dipping,” routinely calling, on the front end, for the criminal justice system to get tough, but on the back end tying his selfish critique of the same criminal justice system now going after him to Black people’s legitimate critiques of that system.

He’s doing nothing to alter the predation of the system, only horse trading exemptions from it.

And the testimonials that Trump buys with his pardons matters, not because people take direct voting advice from musicians, but because these musicians quite literally have the mic, and what they say can soften the ground in the culture, making support of Trump for some feel less like treachery and more like rebellion.

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But it was the hustler-cum-gangster vibe of Trump, particularly with his ostentatious displays of wealth, that endeared him to many in the rap community.

Is this a typo??

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44 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

My hope is, and it seems to maybe have been the case since 2016, that in reality most people really just don't pay attention until about a month before elections.  Then they look up and go, "oh, that orange asshole is running again?  Well, not gonna vote for him.  Who's the other guy?  Oh, yeah ok I guess."  And then they move on, unaware of how important this shit is, yet still making the right choice.

I can hope anyway.

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My hope is, and it seems to maybe have been the case since 2016, that in reality most people really just don't pay attention until about a month before elections.  Then they look up and go, "oh, that orange asshole is running again?  Well, not gonna vote for him.  Who's the other guy?  Oh, yeah ok I guess."  And then they move on, unaware of how important this shit is, yet still making the right choice.
I can hope anyway.

To put it all in perspective, George Floyd was murdered THIS WEEK in 2020. A shit ton can and will happen between now and November.
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4 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Trump about to get a bump in the polls. “He talks just like we do!”

 

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Isn't this the 2nd or 3rd time it's been reported that he's used that word?  I thought it was just assumed at this point.

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Would have been nice if this came out in 2016.  Saved this country a lot of trouble, and probably saved lives during COVID,

OMG — I’m so glad this story is finally coming out! I was told about the existence of this tape back in 2016 by someone who had a high-level position working on The Apprentice. He told me that a number of people on the set overheard Trump say this, and there was a tape to prove it.

However, the person was afraid to come forward since he was concerned that he’d be blackballed by Mark Burnett and never work in the industry again (as I recall, there was also an NDA).

I brought this story — with all the names and details — to CNN, but they understandably were hesitant to run the piece unless at least one witness was willing to appear on camera and confirm the facts.

Unfortunately, the person I spoke with who overheard Trump use the N-word — as well as the C-word, by the way — was unwilling in the end to risk his career since he had a family to support. Anyway, I’m just super happy that this story is coming out now.

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Isn't this the 2nd or 3rd time it's been reported that he's used that word?  I thought it was just assumed at this point.

Sounds like somebody got a copy of the tape and is looking for a payday.

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This probably would have mattered in 2016. But 8 years of Trump voters being programmed to believe it's "us versus them [insert trans/Soros/globalist/leftist bogeyman of choice here]" and I'm not sure anything matters anymore.

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3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I'm sure Tim Scott will be pulling his support any minute now.

Uncle Tim does what his matters tell him to do. 

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Dotard has more baggage than American Airlines. A farm animal should be able to beat him. If any Democrat can't then there's something wrong with the Democratic party.
There is something wrong with the Dem party. They are lazy complacent and are losing their base, Biden sucks, sure he's a better alternative to Cheeto but he's not energizing anyone, I'll vote for him but not because I believe he's a good candidate, he just better then alternative.
Sad state of affairs in this country
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1 minute ago, Smax said:

There is something wrong with the Dem party. They are lazy complacent and are losing their base, Biden sucks, sure he's a better alternative to Cheeto but he's not energizing anyone, I'll vote for him but not because I believe he's a good candidate, he just better then alternative.
Sad state of affairs in this country

Biden has been a good President, but a poor politician. 

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If there is a tape what is a plausible reason it is just now coming to light? 
 

Also anyone voting for him is doing so with knowledge of what a complete pos he is. This won’t change a significant percentage of those people's minds 

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Just now, Sawbonz said:

If there is a tape what is a plausible reason it is just now coming to light? 
 

Also anyone voting for him is doing so with knowledge of what a complete pos he is. This won’t change a significant percentage of those people's minds 

Fortunately, it doesn't need to change a "significant percentage". Just a few thousand votes here and there could easily swing an election like this. 

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Fox News is salivating.

"They use the n-word all the time.  I mean, listen to these song lyrics."

PLAY RAP MUSIC WITH N-BOMBS

"Let's talk to Kid Rock about this."

Kid Rock then uses the n-word about 20 times.

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8 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

If there is a tape what is a plausible reason it is just now coming to light? 
 

Also anyone voting for him is doing so with knowledge of what a complete pos he is. This won’t change a significant percentage of those people's minds 

Expired NDA?

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8 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Is this a typo??

It's the Latin word for "with" as in "summa cum laude" which means "with highest praise/honors." It's like when people use "sans" instead of "without." 

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Biden has been a good President, but a poor politician. 
I'm not sure I agree with this. He's certainly not a bad president, but good is pushing it, IMO. He's a placeholder trying not to rock this sinking ship any more then it already is.
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49 minutes ago, Smax said:

There is something wrong with the Dem party. They are lazy complacent and are losing their base, Biden sucks, sure he's a better alternative to Cheeto but he's not energizing anyone, I'll vote for him but not because I believe he's a good candidate, he just better then alternative.
Sad state of affairs in this country

The thing that is wrong with the Democratic Party is its fealty to capitalism.

 

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50 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Biden has been a good President, but a poor politician. 

Hard to do much politicking when the GQP in the House shows up everyday and just diarrheas everywhere.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The thing that is wrong with the Democratic Party is its fealty to capitalism.

 

Yes. If Democrats want to win they should redouble their focus on educating working people in critical socialist theory.

 

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2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yes. If Democrats want to win they should redouble their focus on educating working people in critical socialist theory.

 

Or they can regulate capitalism like they used to.

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His actions revitalizing NATO, and galvanizing it and our other allies allies against Russia in Ukraine are some of the most important actions a President has taken in decades. His support for critical industrial investment in strategic areas like chip manufacturing will have enormous long term (positive) consequences for our economy and security. By any objective measure, his performance as President has been excellent. Blaming Biden for global economic and political havoc is short sighted and wrong. His primary flaw has been his failure to connect with the American people and communicate his message and accomplishments. He has done good work as President, but poor work with his marketing. Unfortunately, his opponent is someone who is a master of self promotion. 
I can agree with that, his communication to the people of this country does leave alot to be desired
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10 minutes ago, Smax said:
18 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:
His actions revitalizing NATO, and galvanizing it and our other allies allies against Russia in Ukraine are some of the most important actions a President has taken in decades. His support for critical industrial investment in strategic areas like chip manufacturing will have enormous long term (positive) consequences for our economy and security. By any objective measure, his performance as President has been excellent. Blaming Biden for global economic and political havoc is short sighted and wrong. His primary flaw has been his failure to connect with the American people and communicate his message and accomplishments. He has done good work as President, but poor work with his marketing. Unfortunately, his opponent is someone who is a master of self promotion. 

I can agree with that, his communication to the people of this country does leave alot to be desired

Yep, Biden needs to channel his inner trump and talk to everyone and dominate the news cycles. 

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