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Another horrifying part of social media is the amount of attention products can get due to content providers being investors/shareholders in these respective companies. 

Less than 4,000 Cybertrucks have been delivered. I mean, holy shit. But constant support for the product online. If you go to the bios of any of these X accounts, the vast majority state they are Tesla investors. 

Imagine having to deal with Geo Twitter back in the 90s as GM investors try to gaslight you into thinking the cars are awesome. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Another horrifying part of social media is the amount of attention products can get due to content providers being investors/shareholders in these respective companies. 

Less than 4,000 Cybertrucks have been delivered. I mean, holy shit. But constant support for the product online. If you go to the bios of any of these X accounts, the vast majority state they are Tesla investors. 

Imagine having to deal with Geo Twitter back in the 90s as GM investors try to gaslight you into thinking the cars are awesome. 

 

Man.....that Geo Metro got the MPG, tho....can't argue with that!

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13 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Another horrifying part of social media is the amount of attention products can get due to content providers being investors/shareholders in these respective companies. 

Less than 4,000 Cybertrucks have been delivered. I mean, holy shit. But constant support for the product online. If you go to the bios of any of these X accounts, the vast majority state they are Tesla investors. 

Imagine having to deal with Geo Twitter back in the 90s as GM investors try to gaslight you into thinking the cars are awesome. 

 

I’ve seen one State Rep from the valley selling Girl Scout cookies out of the back of his cyber truck while liking a bunch of Elon Musk tweets. His fans are everywhere. 

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57 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This shit is so funny man. We get it, you like your car. You don't have to run around getting angry about "unfair" tests of its capabilities. I'm pretty sure most normal people think that if a FSD-ish system is going to be allowed to be used on our roads it should be able to avoid hitting children who are wearing neutral colors.

Never said it was unfair.  I said it was engineered to produce a failure.  The fact that so many complicating factors had to be introduced in order to generate the failure is an important piece of the story, IMO. 

My takeaway from the test is that Tesla has important work to do to address performance in these difficult edge cases.  But the good news takeaway is that the system performs so well in normal situations that the critics ignore those scenarios.

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48 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Imagine having to deal with Geo Twitter back in the 90s as GM investors try to gaslight you into thinking the cars are awesome. 

 

Woah there son.  My Geo Metro was awesome.  Always got me home (very slowly.)

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24 minutes ago, bluto said:

Didn’t they just layoff a shit ton of the shop techs? So they announce a recall right after the ppl whose job it is to fix it get their headcount slashed? Or am I off base. 

Don't worry, the remaining shop techs are all extremely hardcore.

 

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I feel like geo and then Saturn were attempts by GM to create a new entry level so that they could raise prices on Chevy on up to caddy for no reason. 

The GEO line was a cross work with Japanese companies to make GM marginally engaged in that market, it failed.

The Saturn was an attempt at a "New Start" for GM post the 80s absolute debacle by GM and frankly every US automotive company. That the Buick Grand National is the penultimate vehicle of the US 80s with the GM 454 SS truck and arguably the Typhoon (both early 90s) being the only vehicles worth note in that entire era tells the story. Edit - Ford Escort RS should be added in here so should SVT Mustang.

Keep in mind VW was doing the GT, Nissan was doing the Z, Honda had the NSX and Civic S, Toyota was doing the Supra and MR2 during the same period. All of those are iconic in car world lore.

The US had a bad ass 3.6 liter turbo charged 2 door sedan and SUV and a rear wheel drive truck.

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2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

And the lineup offered by geo and Saturn helped with that issue how?

It didn't dude. At all. It made them more laughable. It certainly didn't help them sell other cars in their lineup at a higher price. 

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Man.....that Geo Metro got the MPG, tho....can't argue with that!

My ex-wife's uncle bought a Metro for his 30 mile one-way commute back in 95 or so.  It was a 3 cylinder, 5 speed with no A/C, no power options, etc

He said it would get around 50 a gallon.  Of course, the thing barely weighed more than a go-kart, probably made 60 HP, had the barest minimum of safety equipment, and did I say it had no A/C?

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1 hour ago, F250 said:

Mercedes is selling Level 3 cars in California and Nevada. Will other traditional auto manufacturers leap frog Tesla as well, turning Tesla into the next Sega Dreamcast?

https://fortune.com/2024/04/18/mercedes-self-driving-autonomous-cars-california-nevada-level-3-drive-pilot/

 

System only works below 40 mph with another vehicle in front.  Tesla could probably go through the motions to get their system certified at this level with these restrictions, but ...

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I'm no defender of Elon or Tesla, though I was impressed with a Tesla Model S that I drove, but recalls are part-and-parcel of operating a car company these days.  My Altima has had several.  Ford just recalled 450,000+ Broncos because they might lose drive power while driving, increasing the chances of an accident.  So I guess I don't understand the fixation that some have with regards to Tesla having recalls.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-auto/ford-recalls-450000-vehicles-due-loss-drive-power




 

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5 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

I'm no defender of Elon or Tesla, though I was impressed with a Tesla Model S that I drove, but recalls are part-and-parcel of operating a car company these days.  My Altima has had several.  Ford just recalled 450,000+ Broncos because they might lose drive power while driving, increasing the chances of an accident.  So I guess I don't understand the fixation that some have with regards to Tesla having recalls.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-auto/ford-recalls-450000-vehicles-due-loss-drive-power

Tesla has ten times the market cap of Ford. Why are they making bush league mistakes on extremely limited runs of cars if they're supposed to be worth more than the next five largest automakers combined?

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7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Tesla has ten times the market cap of Ford. Why are they making bush league mistakes on extremely limited runs of cars if they're supposed to be worth more than the next five largest automakers combined?

Also, they are EXTREME, and HARDCORE.

The problem with touting yourself as WORLD-CHANING ZOMG THE BESTEST EVER EVERYONE ELSE IS SUCKY PUSSIES!...is that you've left little margin for getting called out on your bullshit. 

TLDR; Elon's wounds are almost all self-inflicted, chapter eleventy billion.

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14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Tesla has ten times the market cap of Ford. Why are they making bush league mistakes on extremely limited runs of cars if they're supposed to be worth more than the next five largest automakers combined?


I have no idea why investors see Tesla as being 10 times as valuable as Ford. Is that Tesla's fault?

As far as your question, Ford has been in business for 121 years, has sold more than 400 million vehicles, and they're still making "bush league"  mistakes. It would appear that it's hard to make cars.

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14 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

As far as your question, Ford has been in business for 121 years, has sold more than 400 million vehicles, and they're still making "bush league"  mistakes. It would appear that it's hard to make cars.

Making 800 errors in a run of 400,000 vehicles is one thing.

Making 800 errors in a run of 4,000 vehicles is another thing entirely. Especially while charging an absolute premium complete with waitlists for their shit box. 

 

Not sure why there's such a weird reflex to jump to elmos defense on Surly

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

System only works below 40 mph with another vehicle in front.  Tesla could probably go through the motions to get their system certified at this level with these restrictions, but ...

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Uh, that's the whole point, be careful in order to not to put the innocent public in danger, like Tesla does.

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1 minute ago, choripan said:

Uh, that's the whole point, be careful in order to not to put the innocent public in danger, like Tesla does.

Tesla is not putting the public in any more danger than every other manufacturer that puts TACC and Lane-keeping in their vehicles.  We've had vehicles equipped with dumb cruise control on our roads for 65 years.  

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32 minutes ago, choripan said:

Uh, that's the whole point, be careful in order to not to put the innocent public in danger, like Tesla does.

Mercedes assumes fault when their vehicle is an accident at L3. Tesla blames the owner for damages when washing the vehicle.

 

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9 minutes ago, F250 said:

Mercedes assumes fault when their vehicle is an accident at L3. Tesla blames the owner for damages when washing the vehicle.

 

Well, that's the difference between a soyboy cuck outfit like Mercedes, and an EXTREME HARDCORE den of badassery that is Tesla.  DUH!

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Tesla has ten times the market cap of Ford. Why are they making bush league mistakes on extremely limited runs of cars if they're supposed to be worth more than the next five largest automakers combined?

Recalls can make $$ for the dealer. While the accelerator issue may be legitimate, perhaps it's a way to keep some funds coming in to the folks that sell the trucks?

https://www.wardsauto.com/dealers/dealers-can-reach-extra-bases-recall-field

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50 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Recalls can make $$ for the dealer. While the accelerator issue may be legitimate, perhaps it's a way to keep some funds coming in to the folks that sell the trucks?

https://www.wardsauto.com/dealers/dealers-can-reach-extra-bases-recall-field

Didn't Tesla famously have a direct to consumer model with no showrooms or dealerships?

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I don't even know who the CEO of Ford is. My news feed tried, unsuccessfully and annoyingly at first, to force me to know who Elon Musk was. That wasn't enough, so Elon Musk insisted and bought the world's largest social media site, because apparently I "didn't get" Elon or why he was the most interesting man the world in the first few hundred or so inescapable encounters. 

Now he's a clown fire confirming most things I suspected but had little idea were so cartoonishly accurate.

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3 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Tesla is not putting the public in any more danger than every other manufacturer that puts TACC and Lane-keeping in their vehicles.  We've had vehicles equipped with dumb cruise control on our roads for 65 years.  

Do other manufacturers give these feature names like “FULL SELF DRIVING” or “AUTOPILOT”?

TACC, Lane Keeping and even dumb cruise control all have clear limitations which are advertised and the owner understand the limits of. They aren’t being told the car can drive itself.

These aren’t beta features that need bugs worked out of and are being tested on live roads with people who haven’t given any consent to being in a beta test program.

So don’t tell me Tesla isn’t putting the public at risk at the same levels any every other automaker. They aren’t. 

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11 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

FSD is that asshole driver too? Who knew. 

 

 

8 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

It's clear that was programed by a former Chicago cabbie to drive like Elon.

Passing every car waiting patiently in the lane designated for turning before attempting to cut in at the last second and instead ramming itself  into a pole like a fucking idiot indicates the driver had  engaged "Elon Mode"

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8 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

The GEO line was a cross work with Japanese companies to make GM marginally engaged in that market, it failed.

The Saturn was an attempt at a "New Start" for GM post the 80s absolute debacle by GM and frankly every US automotive company. That the Buick Grand National is the penultimate vehicle of the US 80s with the GM 454 SS truck and arguably the Typhoon (both early 90s) being the only vehicles worth note in that entire era tells the story. Edit - Ford Escort RS should be added in here so should SVT Mustang.

Keep in mind VW was doing the GT, Nissan was doing the Z, Honda had the NSX and Civic S, Toyota was doing the Supra and MR2 during the same period. All of those are iconic in car world lore.

The US had a bad ass 3.6 liter turbo charged 2 door sedan and SUV and a rear wheel drive truck.

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29 minutes ago, Genco said:

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So I can't tell if this was a response to my car nerd rambling or and extremely apt and astute catch of my typo. It was a 3.8 liter turbo.. not 3.6. Because I'm nerding out again why not add fuel to the fire.

https://www.americanmusclecarmuseum.com/buick-vehicles/137-1987-buick-grand-national-regal-gnx.html

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19 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

So I can't tell if this was a response to my car nerd rambling or and extremely apt and astute catch of my typo. It was a 3.8 liter turbo.. not 3.6. Because I'm nerding out again why not add fuel to the fire.

https://www.americanmusclecarmuseum.com/buick-vehicles/137-1987-buick-grand-national-regal-gnx.html

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I wanted this thing so bad.

 

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23 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I wanted this thing so bad.

 

My cousin has a GNX well appointed and properly modified for optimal performance enhancement without devaluation of the vehicle regarding rarity.

I love him, but hate him too.

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16 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

The GEO line was a cross work with Japanese companies to make GM marginally engaged in that market, it failed.

The Saturn was an attempt at a "New Start" for GM post the 80s absolute debacle by GM and frankly every US automotive company. That the Buick Grand National is the penultimate vehicle of the US 80s with the GM 454 SS truck and arguably the Typhoon (both early 90s) being the only vehicles worth note in that entire era tells the story. Edit - Ford Escort RS should be added in here so should SVT Mustang.

Keep in mind VW was doing the GT, Nissan was doing the Z, Honda had the NSX and Civic S, Toyota was doing the Supra and MR2 during the same period. All of those are iconic in car world lore.

The US had a bad ass 3.6 liter turbo charged 2 door sedan and SUV and a rear wheel drive truck.

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