Texas Primaries

[David Dennison 17659]

10 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

That's what i mean when i say they're paralyzed by the fear of being called liberals and socialists. They could run Mitt Romney and would still get called communists.

They need to lean into it. Trying to appeal to the neoliberal middle obviously doesn't work.

[chainsaw 9441]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

They need to lean into it. Trying to appeal to the neoliberal middle obviously doesn't work.

I agree. Millennials and Gen Z don't consider "socialist" a dirty word and the Gen X and Boomers that care enough about politics to vote aren't going to flee the democratic party due to namecalling when the alternative is an actual, not-just-for-namecalling, fascist.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13336]

5 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Glenn Rogers says bye

I am not a good politician. I am just a Texas rancher who wanted to make a difference in my community. Who knew this simple mission would have resulted in three brutal campaigns?

 

Throughout my three campaigns, because of my unwillingness to be compliant with the two billionaire, “Christian” Nationalist, power brokers that run this state, I have been unmercifully slandered through the politics of unwarranted personal destruction on social media, radio, post mail, streaming sites, and cable television.

 

https://www.weatherforddemocrat.com/opinion/rogers-ill-wear-no-mans-collar/article_62c2c326-dbd9-11ee-bffc-bf52e1a4654c.html

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Governor Greg Abbott has defiled the Office of Governor by creating and repeating blatant lies about me and my House colleagues, those who took a stand for our public schools. I stood by the Governor on all his legislative priorities but just one, school vouchers. For just one disagreement, and for a $6 million check from Jeff Yass, a Pennsylvanian TikTok investor, and voucher vendor, Abbott went scorched earth against rural Texas and the Representatives who did their jobs-representing their districts.

If you are MAGA, it's not a matter if you are getting thrown under the bus, it's a matter of when. You think you're safe. You're not.

[Brisketexan 103143]

Just now, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

If you are MAGA, it's not a matter if you are getting thrown under the bus, it's a matter of when. You think you're safe. You're not.

This.  The dumbfucks will never learn.  The leopards will eat your face.  Always.  100% of the time.

[Captainant 26861]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I agree. Millennials and Gen Z don't consider "socialist" a dirty word and the Gen X and Boomers that care enough about politics to vote aren't going to flee the democratic party due to namecalling when the alternative is an actual, not-just-for-namecalling, fascist.

And therein lies the rub. The "right" operates on such a fact-free basis that they namecall and lie just to attack their opponents, and do it so frequently that they begin to believe their own lies. And so when the "left" sees fascism, articulates why it's fascism, and can support that assertion with facts - the "right" just categorizes it as namecalling.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Glenn Rogers says bye

I am not a good politician. I am just a Texas rancher who wanted to make a difference in my community. Who knew this simple mission would have resulted in three brutal campaigns?

 

Throughout my three campaigns, because of my unwillingness to be compliant with the two billionaire, “Christian” Nationalist, power brokers that run this state, I have been unmercifully slandered through the politics of unwarranted personal destruction on social media, radio, post mail, streaming sites, and cable television.

 

https://www.weatherforddemocrat.com/opinion/rogers-ill-wear-no-mans-collar/article_62c2c326-dbd9-11ee-bffc-bf52e1a4654c.html

Hey, great op-ed. Seems to be a recurring theme on that side of the aisle. They get rolled in one way or the other and then come out and have strong words before 1) either turning back and kissing the ring or 2) never being heard of again.

How about you do that shit when you're actually in power and can do something about it?

[StassneyHorn 6407]

Papa Soros is already cleaning things up in Cameron, Hidalgo and Dallas counties.

[LCHorn 2527]

7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

And so when the "left" sees fascism, articulates why it's fascism, and can support that assertion with facts - the "right" just categorizes it as namecalling.

I think the problem is more that the right is happy to acknowledge it’s fascism and will wear those anti-democratic bonafides happily.  
 

That makes pointing it kind of a “Don’t throw me in the briar patch” kind of thing.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33693]

54 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I think the problem is more that the right is happy to acknowledge it’s fascism and will wear those anti-democratic bonafides happily.  
 

That makes pointing it kind of a “Don’t throw me in the briar patch” kind of thing.  

yup, they didn't get the America they were 'promised', so they're more than happy to tear the whole thing down to get their way. we didn't deliver the white ethnostate they wanted through peaceful means, so now they're trying to take it. it's as simple as that

Edited March 6 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Bozo_Casanova 25500]

1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

What is the expectation of Gilbert Hinojosa?

Winning more than zero statewide races in 12 years doesn’t seem like too much to expect in order to hold the job.

But the problem doesn’t start and end with Gilberto Hinojosa, who no doubt is doing his best, and it’s not even really a messaging problem, per se.

The bigger overarching problem is that the state party is a failed institution, and has built losing elections into muscle memory. 

Edited March 6 by Bozo_Casanova

[chainsaw 9441]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Winning more than zero statewide races in 12 years doesn’t seem like too much to expect in order to hold the job.

But the problem doesn’t start and end with Gilberto Hinojosa, who no doubt is doing his best, and it’s not even really a messaging problem, per se.

The bigger overarching problem is that the state party is a failed institution, and has built losing elections into muscle memory. 

We'll see if Colin Allred can run a strong campaign. If I'm remembering 2018 right, Betomania hadn't started until the summer. Can Allred work a room the way Beto did?

He's got NFL experience and a law degree.

He better visit all 254 counties ASAP.

 

[Brisketexan 103143]

We'll see if Colin Allred can run a strong campaign. If I'm remembering 2018 right, Betomania hadn't started until the summer. Can Allred work a room the way Beto did?
He's got NFL experience and a law degree.
He better visit all 254 counties ASAP.
 

Won’t happen. He loses by 8-10 points.

[LCHorn 2527]

I certainly don’t wish him ill, but Allred doesn’t appear to have any of the personal charisma that made Beto a tremendous fundraiser.  

[David Dennison 17659]

Colin Allred loves him some text messages.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, chainsaw said:

That's what i mean when i say they're paralyzed by the fear of being called liberals and socialists. They could run Mitt Romney and would still get called communists.

Please take this at face value, because it’s going to sound like a shot, but it’s not intended that way: If TDP did a better job of saying/ selling who they ARE as opposed to denying who they aren’t, I think it would go a lot further in driving change.  The immediate denials drive me nuts( and away.) Tell me what happens when your social programs are implemented.  Make that message indelible.  The shell game isn’t very persuasive from where I sit.

I come down evidently very left leaning on education, but I can make both a fiscal and social case for why I feel that way.  TDP needs to do that on their platform.  Sell me a car, so to speak…

[YGIFS 19443]

The only entity more ineptly vapid than the TDP is the RPT.  So folks like us in the middle without a party whom, for some insane reason, still want to help other Texans are turbo-fucked.  
 

once again, our prize mistake—-a lack of imagination. 

[atomheartbevo 88750]

9 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

My friend, Mrs.LL and I will be joining you in NYC in just a few years.  I have to get the youngest out of the house and safely into college (she's in 7th Grade now).  But once that's done, I can get the fuck out of this shithole and never fucking look back.

And by the way, I'm a 6th Generation Texan.  Saying that pains me.  But then I remember that one set of great-grandparents were Nth Generation Czechs; another set of ancestors were once Nth Generation English.  But they all figured out at some point that they needed to leave the shithole they were in to seek their entertainment and fortunes elsewhere.  And it won't take six more generations for my descendants to wonder "why the fuck did our family ever live in Texas?"

Yeah, I keep circling back to the fact that even though my roots in Texas may go back to the 1830s, a whole lot of branches of my family tree were people who left England, Scotland, Germany, and France with little more than a trunk of clothes and a few addresses written down.  We’ve got the luxury of taking everything with us, and staying in video chat contact with anybody we know at a moment’s notice. 

8 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

For those with elderly parents and kids, these become the reason that many middle aged people end up staying in a location effectively forever. Their elderly parents will never leave, and then eventually you want to be near the kids/grandkids. The cycle perpetuates itself.

This has been a hurdle for us, but at this point, I’d be trading driving half or all day to see relatives within the state for a plane trip to come back.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13267]

What’s sad is when Democrats in Texas need to count on Phelan to “save” us. Or nationally when Dems cheer on Liz Cheney. These are people far from normal Democratic values but they are somewhat at least standing up to the fascists.  

[atomheartbevo 88750]

5 hours ago, slorch said:

Your memory is correct.  Yes, the issue absolutely gives me pause.  I'm not a single-issue voter; but I feel there are few issues that have a greater impact on social mobility/ raising the floor of our society.  Fuck yeah, it gives me pause.  

There are people here in Texas who are fine with Abbott running public education completely into the ground and Texas resembling Mississippi because they look at Mississippi and don’t see a problem with that. They don’t own or manage or work for businesses that rely on an educated workforce, or they don’t have a situation where they care whether or not the local schools are good enough to attract young families. Small rural communities drying up and blowing away doesn’t affect them at all (particularly if they are a Pennsylvania billionaire throwing money at Greg Abbott).

The Texas of our youth, whatever that Texas may resemble, is crumbling fast, all to make some carpet baggers, out-of-staters, and spineless Republicans happy.  The folks running Texas will gladly drive young families away and wreck Texas’s future, all to make their donors some money in the short term. 

[RDCanecutter 25767]

30 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

There are people here in Texas who are fine with Abbott running public education completely into the ground and Texas resembling Mississippi because they look at Mississippi and don’t see a problem with that.

Mississippi may be moving up a little. Don't get caught nappin'.

https://www.chalkbeat.org/2023/7/18/23799124/mississippi-miracle-test-scores-naep-early-literacy-grade-retention-reading-phonics/#:~:text=Mississippi has seen large gains,students from taking the exam.

[BrickHorn 17983]

6 hours ago, slorch said:

Your memory is correct.  Yes, the issue absolutely gives me pause.  I'm not a single-issue voter; but I feel there are few issues that have a greater impact on social mobility/ raising the floor of our society.  Fuck yeah, it gives me pause.

[chainsaw 9441]

3 hours ago, LCHorn said:

I certainly don’t wish him ill, but Allred doesn’t appear to have any of the personal charisma that made Beto a tremendous fundraiser.  

I don't like Allred's track record at all, but he's got my vote by virtue of not being Ted Cruz.

As for charisma, I need to see him in a town hall setting with regular Texans. It's not 2018 anymore, but I'm still a big believer in the 254-county strategy with a heavy emphasis on turning out the vote in cities, suburbs, and the border.

Beto only won 62% in the 2018 primary, just 3 points higher than Allred's win.

Allred lost many of the same south texas counties that Beto had lost in the primary, too.

Cruz had won by 2 points in 2018. Cornyn won by like 10 in 2020 against MJ Hegar.

Beto raised something like $80M too, whereas Hegar only had $30M.

Ted Cruz currently has way more total receipts than Allred, but I have a feeling that since it's not a midterm most Cruz voters are already going to be showing up to support Trump.

If the TDP wants to make some noise, this is probably the race for them to do it. They got close in 2018, but not close enough.

[atomheartbevo 88750]

26 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Beto raised something like $80M too, whereas Hegar only had $30M.

Ted Cruz currently has way more total receipts than Allred, but I have a feeling that since it's not a midterm most Cruz voters are already going to be showing up to support Trump.

Trump is siphoning off a lot of money that would go to down-ballot races, plus there's a good chance he gets his hands on the RNC's coffers, so Raphael may have to dig into his war chest quite a bit.

[Longhorn94 2404]

Fuck me... I'm sitting next to Dan Patrick's son at a dinner in SF. I'm pretty sure I should tell him how horrific his dad is...

[YGIFS 19443]

Does he also look like he won a Subaru Forrester at a Lane Bryant's sponsored giveaway at Lilith Fair?  Oh wait, you said San Francisco.

[tx 3 putt 74768]

48 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Trump is siphoning off a lot of money that would go to down-ballot races, plus there's a good chance he gets his hands on the RNC's coffers, so Raphael may have to dig into his war chest quite a bit.

i can see king trump ruling that all personal war chests must be transferred to the RNC, for the good of the party

[atomheartbevo 88750]

Just now, tx 3 putt said:

i can see king trump ruling that all personal war chests must be transferred to the RNC, for the good of the party

Would be hilarious if Trump demanded some form of tithing.

[Guest]

That's honorable, IMHO.

Admitting you suck as a politician as a positive.

[Voldemort86 2230]

15 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

Fuck me... I'm sitting next to Dan Patrick's son at a dinner in SF. I'm pretty sure I should tell him how horrific his dad is...

Tell Ryan Patrick his dad sucks for not letting Texas legalize marijuana or gambling.

[tx 3 putt 74768]

9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Would be hilarious if Trump demanded some form of tithing.

there’s no ‘if’. You want the trump brand behind you ?  Pay up mother fucker

cabinet position ?  Pay up mother fucker ….

[Pods 7426]

19 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

Fuck me... I'm sitting next to Dan Patrick's son at a dinner in SF. I'm pretty sure I should tell him how horrific his dad is...

Doit.gif

Then post video here. 

[bluto 4800]

How common place was it for the big state officials to primary their fellow party members before this yr?

[atomheartbevo 88750]

30 minutes ago, bluto said:

How common place was it for the big state officials to primary their fellow party members before this yr?

The fact that it has generated an enormous amount of discussion across a lot of sites, as well as Harvey Kronberg (The Quorum Report) unloading on Greg Abbott, speaks volumes - it was rare, and usually only done when the incumbent had really fucked up (fucked the wrong person, got caught doing something nobody could defend, etc.).

Abbott doing it because of one single issue and doing it so publicly is stunning. 

Maybe Bob Bullock did it a little over some of the stuff from the 70s/80s, but Bullock kept that shit mostly on the down low.

[Voldemort86 2230]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The fact that it has generated an enormous amount of discussion across a lot of sites, as well as Harvey Kronberg (The Quorum Report) unloading on Greg Abbott, speaks volumes - it was rare, and usually only done when the incumbent had really fucked up (fucked the wrong person, got caught doing something nobody could defend, etc.).

Abbott doing it because of one single issue and doing it so publicly is stunning. 

Maybe Bob Bullock did it a little over some of the stuff from the 70s/80s, but Bullock kept that shit mostly on the down low.

The trio of Paxton, Patrick, and Abbott will not rest until Texas is run into the ground.

[RDCanecutter 25767]

1 hour ago, Longhorn94 said:

Fuck me... I'm sitting next to Dan Patrick's son at a dinner in SF. I'm pretty sure I should tell him how horrific his dad is...

Call him Goeb.

[atomheartbevo 88750]

2 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Call him Goeb.

"Look, I don't care what you or your dad identify as, I'm just going to call you by your birth names and you have to suck it up libtard."

[CTC2 2626]

1 hour ago, Longhorn94 said:

Fuck me... I'm sitting next to Dan Patrick's son at a dinner in SF. I'm pretty sure I should tell him how horrific his dad is...

Fart a lot. 

[CTC2 2626]

15 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Only a fraction of those that voted in the primary will vote in the runoff. It depends on whose supporters are more motivated.

I guess that means the most crazy ones. 

[Longhorn94 2404]

So strange - he is a really nice guy. His main passion is doing pro bono work for indigents... I don't get it.

[We’reTexas 1467]

19 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

Fart a lot. 

[Texas Jeff 1908]

Texas Primary turnout, percent of registered voters:

• Dem: 5.4%
• Rep: 12.6%

Did not vote: 82%

Most of the winners are now decided.  R's will sweep the statewide races and Trump will get Texas's electoral votes.  D's will take everything in Travis County and other local offices in blue areas.  Outside of just a handful of races, the fall election does not matter and that sucks.

Even worse, a few close races will be decided by party runoffs, where even fewer people vote.  We will end up with the extremes from both ends holding office, and they will fight with each other and not accomplish that much.

We should have a "top-two" candidate system, where every primary is open, the top two vote getters advance to the general election, and there are zero runoffs.  It would encourage voter turnout and attract moderates to run for office.

[chainsaw 9441]

https://mwareanews.com/2024/03/06/glenn-rogers-pens-response-to-election-loss/

 

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“I’ll Wear No Man’s Collar”

Davy Crockett

First, I want to thank my supporters, those who voted for me and those who supported me prayerfully, financially, and in so many other ways. It has been the greatest honor to serve this district.

The corruption that exists at the highest level of Texas state government would have made Governor “Pa” Ferguson blush.

Governor Greg Abbott has defiled the Office of Governor by creating and repeating blatant lies about me and my House colleagues, those who took a stand for our public schools. I stood by the Governor on all his legislative priorities but just one, school vouchers. For just one disagreement, and for a $6 million check from Jeff Yass, a Pennsylvanian TikTok investor, and voucher vendor, Abbott went scorched earth against rural Texas and the Representatives who did their jobs-representing their districts.

My tenure in the Texas House included two general sessions, seven special sessions, redistricting, Covid, winter storm Uri, a Democrat quorum break, expulsion of a House member and the impeachment of Ken Paxton. It also includes a litany of conservative victories that made Texas safer, reigned in out-of-control government bureaucracy, lessened what had become a crushing tax burden on our families and businesses, and fostered economic growth.

I am not a good politician. I am just a Texas rancher who wanted to make a difference in my community. Who knew this simple mission would have resulted in three brutal campaigns?

Throughout my three campaigns, because of my unwillingness to be compliant with the two billionaire, “Christian” Nationalist, power brokers that run this state, I have been unmercifully slandered through the politics of unwarranted personal destruction on social media, radio, post mail, streaming sites, and cable television.

In my first race the opposition was the Wilks, Tim Dunn, Empower Texans, and the entire enterprise of dozens of PACs and “non-profits” they financed. The race ended in a hard fought Covi-delayed runoff victory against Farris Wilks ‘son-in-law.

In my second race, my opposition was Wilks and Dunn, Empower Texans (rebranded to Defend Texas Liberty), and the Voucher Lobby, including the American Federation for Children and the School Freedom Fund (based in Virginia). In that race, we dealt with a runoff and an expensive, unnecessary recount.

In my third race the opposition was all the above, but now included a rebranded Defend Texas Liberty (Texans United for a Conservative Majority), vastly greater money from the Voucher Lobby, and Governor Greg Abbott.

This time the millions of dollars spent spreading lies about my record and the non-stop false impugning of my integrity were just too much to overcome. The real losers in this race are:

1)Texas Public Schools;

2) Rural Texas; and

3) Representative Government.

This morning, I have no regrets. I believe in the words of Sam Houston, “Do right and risk the consequences.”

History will prove Ken Paxton is a corrupt, sophisticated criminal. History will prove vouchers are simply an expensive entitlement program for the wealthy and a get rich scheme for voucher vendors. History will prove Governor Greg Abbott is a liar.

History will prove that our current state government is the most corrupt ever and is “bought” by a few radical dominionist billionaires seeking to destroy public education, privatize our public schools and create a Theocracy that is both un-American and un-Texan.

May God Save Texas!

 

[Js1 82357]

4 hours ago, Texas Jeff said:

We should have a "top-two" candidate system, where every primary is open, the top two vote getters advance to the general election, and there are zero runoffs.  It would encourage voter turnout and attract moderates to run for office.

And that's why Texas will never do this.  

Just like ranked choice voting, Republicans don't want avenues that increase voter engagement and encourage moderation among candidates.

[gmr548 16253]

15 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Won’t happen. He loses by 8-10 points.

I'd take that bet. Not money line n Allred or anything, but it won't be that lopsided. Trump was +5-6 and Cornyn was +9-10 in 2020. Cruz is on the Trump support track in Texas. He won't lose, but give me 4-6 points.

12 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I don't like Allred's track record at all, but he's got my vote by virtue of not being Ted Cruz.

As for charisma, I need to see him in a town hall setting with regular Texans. It's not 2018 anymore, but I'm still a big believer in the 254-county strategy with a heavy emphasis on turning out the vote in cities, suburbs, and the border.

Beto only won 62% in the 2018 primary, just 3 points higher than Allred's win.

Allred lost many of the same south texas counties that Beto had lost in the primary, too.

Cruz had won by 2 points in 2018. Cornyn won by like 10 in 2020 against MJ Hegar.

Beto raised something like $80M too, whereas Hegar only had $30M.

Ted Cruz currently has way more total receipts than Allred, but I have a feeling that since it's not a midterm most Cruz voters are already going to be showing up to support Trump.

If the TDP wants to make some noise, this is probably the race for them to do it. They got close in 2018, but not close enough.

I wouldn't read much into primary turnout. In a Presidential primary year Democrats were rubber stamping an incumbent while Republicans ostensibly had a nominating contest, not to mention all the state level GOP drama. Cruz is favored, obviously, but it's been shown time and time again that you can't take anything from primaries with differing circumstances like that.

 

Went ahead and donated to Allred. I voted Gutierrez in the primary because I don't care for Allred's conservative stances on some issues, particularly Israel, but fuck Ted Cruz.

[LurkingHorn 1035]

18 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I had to switch careers when I left Texas. O&G isn’t a thing in WNC. It wasn’t easy at all, especially in my 40s, but I’m glad I uprooted myself. Leaving friends and family was hard too. But as someone previously mentioned, you either rip the bandaid off or stay in the same place forever. Parents, Kids, Jobs, these things will always be there, telling you to stay put. 

Of course if Robinson is elected Governor here, might need to move again

Which industry did you switch to?

[Js1 82357]

18 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

Which industry did you switch to?

Yeah my best friend is trying to get out of Texas too and he’s O&G. I’d love to point him to something different he can look into it

[LCHorn 2527]

Don't ask @Neonmoon for advice, he managed to pick something even worse than O&G....

[pyrohornIII 4742]

10 hours ago, Longhorn94 said:

So strange - he is a really nice guy. His main passion is doing pro bono work for indigents... I don't get it.

But then there are a lot of nice guys who post in here who have fathers that are big MAGA types.  There might be a reason the guy is in SF instead of Austin.  

[chainsaw 9441]

1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

But then there are a lot of nice guys who post in here who have fathers that are big MAGA types.  There might be a reason the guy is in SF instead of Austin.  

I can't think of a single child of Elon over the age of 10 who doesn't hate him

[Guest]

2 hours ago, gmr548 said:

Went ahead and donated to Allred. 

Serious question... why?

I can't find myself to donate to big national races. Those people will never ever have an issue with money for their campaign. Allred I could see myself doing it for things like state house races and I've done it for specific issued-focused groups.