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3 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

The Brian Schottenheimer hire is the Jonathan Mingo of trades, the Taco Charlton of draft picks, the Terence Steele of contract extensions, the blinding 3pm glare of stadium designs. 

So,… The Cowboys Way

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44 minutes ago, raw dog said:

Is dementia setting in here? This hire is so off the charts bad. Jerruh still has final say on everything, right?

It’s not dementia. It’s lack of options as a result of lack of interest in the job from qualified candidates. 

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1 hour ago, raw dog said:

Is dementia setting in here? This hire is so off the charts bad. Jerruh still has final say on everything, right?

I think you may be onto something. Idk if dementia but he definitely doesn’t seem like his normal self the past year. 

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The league is littered with hot-shot young assistants that failed as head coaches in a fairly short time.

We won't know for a few years which from this crop of wunderkind geniuses Jerry should have hired. Then everybody will bitch about the guy he passed up, ignoring the majority that end up being JAG assistants again.

 

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If Brian Scottenheimer’s last name was Jones would he even have been coaching in the NFL?  Wonder how many doors that name magically opened, in a business where your connections mean everything. 

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1 hour ago, Firemans4Horn said:

The Brian Schottenheimer hire is the Jonathan Mingo of trades, the Taco Charlton of draft picks, the Terence Steele of contract extensions, the blinding 3pm glare of stadium designs. 

Well put.

 

52 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I think you may be onto something. Idk if dementia but he definitely doesn’t seem like his normal self the past year. 

He's very old and relies more and more on Stephen to run the club from a day to day perspective.  Jerrah just likes the camera and microphones, but he does less now than he ever has in terms of dictating the future of the Cowboys.

 

31 minutes ago, DougO said:

The league is littered with hot-shot young assistants that failed as head coaches in a fairly short time.

We won't know for a few years which from this crop of wunderkind geniuses Jerry should have hired. Then everybody will bitch about the guy he passed up, ignoring the majority that end up being JAG assistants again.

 

While I understand the first point, I truly don't understand the 2nd.  We just hired a JAG assistant, so are you saying, we're ahead of the game because we didn't hire a hot-shot young assistant?  Guys like LaFleur or O'Connell or Ryans?  This cycle it would have been Ben Johnson with maybe Glenn behind him.  So, we're better off not taking our shot on a good young mind and gunning for mediocrity, tops?  My issue is besides maybe Jimmy (which wasn't objective either), we've actually never gone the hot-shot young coordinator or college coach in any real objective way.  It was always someone who was part of Jerrah's pretend family or a recycled old coach.  I truly would be curious to see an actual objective head coach search, we haven't had one in 60 years. 

 

23 minutes ago, Minute Bull said:

If Brian Scottenheimer’s last name was Jones would he even have been coaching in the NFL?  Wonder how many doors that name magically opened, in a business where your connections mean everything. 

Of course not, it's still a old white boys club.  Marty was actually a very good coach.  Everywhere he went, he turned around organizations and they won, he just could never get over the hump.  His son is a more charismatic, less intellectual, less instinctual version of his old man.  Nice enough guy to float around the club and have a spot, but no one really every thought he may get a seat at the head table, because his resume' is so shitty.

This was the strangest of hires. Guess he thought he'd get 2-3 years traction.

https://x.com/WerderEdNFL/status/1883576518078517520

Maybe Witten sees all the turmoil and says...... I'm good.

https://x.com/NickHarrisFWST/status/1883245648365158656

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1 hour ago, DougO said:

The league is littered with hot-shot young assistants that failed as head coaches in a fairly short time.

We won't know for a few years which from this crop of wunderkind geniuses Jerry should have hired. Then everybody will bitch about the guy he passed up, ignoring the majority that end up being JAG assistants again.

 


What in the actually fuck is your point? That instead of hiring a successful coordinator Jerry was right to hire a fucking spare that isn’t even a good coordinator? 

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I didn't even want the Cowboys to hire this guy as an OC.  Now he's the Head Coach.  I don't know who the Jones listen to, but they need to get someone in there with a lick of sense.  

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I think I've figured out what's going on with the hiring of these coaches. I'll let you fill in the blanks, but it answers a lot of questions. Here's a clue:

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I've alway wondered about that year McCarthy spent in his "barn" studying "trends and techniques."

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Posted (edited)

Washington and Philly are playing for the right to go to the Super Bowl. We elevated our OC to head coach that no one wanted because our owner is just too cheap and too stubborn to give the team over to someone who could unlock it all. 

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11 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Washington and Philly are playing for the right to go to the Super Bowl. We elevated our OC to head coach that no one wanted because our owner is just too cheap and too stubborn to give the team over to someone who could unlock it all. 

Hey, at least we're still better than the Giants 

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87% sure Jerry is watching Philthy destroy Washington and talking shit about how at least Dallas isn’t getting wrecked in the CCG.

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I don't think Sewerani is a particularly great coach, but he has a GM that knows how to build a team. 

It would be nice to have at least one of those things.

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3 hours ago, mdmost said:

Washington and Philly are playing for the right to go to the Super Bowl. We elevated our OC to head coach that no one wanted because our owner is just too cheap and too stubborn to give the team over to someone who could unlock it all. 

With Kellen now in a Super Bowl. Escape the Cowboys and reach your goals.

So basically Schottenheimer in 5 years will be winning it all with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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9 minutes ago, kingkoopa6 said:

“Best free agent signing of all time”
 

philly gm got game 

I laughed at him saying that while sitting next to a guy who signed with Tampa Bay and won them a Super Bowl.

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16 hours ago, futureman said:

I think that's unlikely from a guy who conceivably cares deeply about his legacy and also could drop dead at any point.  I would just call it pride and incompetence.

He cares deeply about himself and his ego. Not fans. Not winning. And he has single handily ruined the legacy of "America's Team."

If he remotely cared about this team, he would put curtains up. If he can't do something as simple as that, what makes anyone think he give a shit about anything but himself. 

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7 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

With Kellen now in a Super Bowl. Escape the Cowboys and reach your goals.

So basically Schottenheimer in 5 years will be winning it all with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Do we have a list of people escaping the Cowboys and going on to better things?

Dan Quinn

Dan Campbell

Kellen Moore

Who am I missing?

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14 minutes ago, Jameslaw121 said:

Do we have a list of people escaping the Cowboys and going on to better things?

Dan Quinn

Dan Campbell

Kellen Moore

Who am I missing?

Sean Payton, there are probably others.

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23 minutes ago, Jameslaw121 said:

He cares deeply about himself and his ego. Not fans. Not winning. And he has single handily ruined the legacy of "America's Team."

If he remotely cared about this team, he would put curtains up. If he can't do something as simple as that, what makes anyone think he give a shit about anything but himself. 

caring about his legacy directly involves his ego.  he knows that if he wins another super bowl doing it his way that his legacy (in his eyes) as a football man with four championships is secure.  he's also very incompetent, and his pride precludes him from yielding to (or even seeing) certain things that may help him reach his ultimate goal.

he has discussed the curtains multiple times.  his reasons for not putting them up are also due to pride and incompetence.

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3 minutes ago, futureman said:

caring about his legacy directly involves his ego.  he knows that if he wins another super bowl doing it his way that his legacy (in his eyes) as a football man with four championships is secure.  he's also very incompetent, and his pride precludes him from yielding to (or even seeing) certain things that may help him reach his ultimate goal.

he has discussed the curtains multiple times.  his reasons for not putting them up are also due to pride and incompetence.

Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you. He's really just an incompetent old senile fool. who pretty much killed my NFL fandom

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34 minutes ago, Jameslaw121 said:

Do we have a list of people escaping the Cowboys and going on to better things?

Dan Quinn

Dan Campbell

Kellen Moore

Who am I missing?

What about players?

D Ware

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Posted (edited)

So, hiring Kellen Moore would have brought Barkley, AJ, their OL and DL and young stars with him?

Dang! Why didn't I see it?

 

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Posted
7 hours ago, Minute Bull said:

If Brian Scottenheimer’s last name was Jones would he even have been coaching in the NFL?  Wonder how many doors that name magically opened, in a business where your connections mean everything. 

8.6.1969: Rolling-Stones-Gründer Brian Jones verlässt die Band - SWR Kultur

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On 1/25/2025 at 1:02 PM, mdmost said:

The only hope I hold out about Stephen taking over is he may be one who can be shamed into doing the right thing when Daddy passes away. Jerry gets a lot of rope because of who he is and what he's done. Maybe we're at the point where that might run out soon especially with this hire. I don't see anyone giving Stephen any grace period if he takes over and tries to be Jerry 2.0. But then again when you have fuck you money and the fan base seems incapable of throwing in the towel, what can really be done but just stop bothering to watch. I passively watch now. I don't let it run my Sundays like I used to. I turn it on and have it in the background. It doesn't really bother me when they lose because I hope it takes away a little bit of Jerry's soul every time. He would have to have one for that to matter. The more he fails, the farther away he gets from being "a football man" that he so desires to be taken seriously as so he tightens his grip even more. What would help is if his former players would stop treating every action he does as okay. Even Troy takes a kid gloves approach with his criticism of Jerry. The man is not above reproach and it would be great if loudmouths like Irvin would say something. 

I have a strong suspicion that you are seeing Stephen run the show right now.  That's why the constant "pieces of pie" and "sound decisions" and "up against the cap" crap we keep hearing about.  Jerry almost certainly wanted Deion.  Stephen has wrestled control away from Dad and put the 'Boys on auto-cash print pilot.  

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Just now, Trey3216 said:

I have a strong suspicion that you are seeing Stephen run the show right now.  That's why the constant "pieces of pie" and "sound decisions" and "up against the cap" crap we keep hearing about.  Jerry almost certainly wanted Deion.  Stephen has wrestled control away from Dad and put the 'Boys on auto-cash print pilot.  

You're probably correct. I still stand by assertion that once Jerry is no longer with us, people aren't cutting Stephen the break that Jerry's gotten because of his past success. 

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Ugh, I will always complain about the "cap" conversation. It's Enron accounting, it's never stopped any franchise from doing whatever they want with their roster. If anything, Jerry might get some credit for how it is set up financially considering his influence over the years in league finances. 

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13 minutes ago, mdmost said:

You're probably correct. I still stand by assertion that once Jerry is no longer with us, people aren't cutting Stephen the break that Jerry's gotten because of his past success. 

 

11 minutes ago, kevwun said:

I could see Steven becoming a laughing stock real fast.

Yep. Despite what fans think of Jerry, I believe the vast majority of players, former and current, like and/or at least respect Jerry. You can see it in his interactions in the old Hard Knocks and the more recent Cowboys season of All or Nothing. He’s charismatic with them and I can imagine they admire his story of becoming wealthy starting from where he did. Almost none of that applies to Stephen.

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Agreed, 'stache. His strength was being a DC.

According to the interwebs...

2018 IND: 9th

2019 IND: 17th

2020 IND: 9th

2021 IND: 13th

2023 Weeks 2-18 Chicago: 13th

2024 Weeks 1-13 Chicago: 9th

When he was HC but someone else called plays:

2022: 32nd

2023 week 1: 28th

2024 weeks 14-18: 27th

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I can tell you that there have been two defensive coaches who have given the current high-flying offense of my Lions consistent trouble:  Eberflus and Todd Bowles.  I think Flus would be a really solid hire for the Cowboys given the uncertainty surrounding the abilities of the HC.

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