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Just now, tx 3 putt said:

so maga likes the immigrants now ?

 

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Well yeah, the good ones can stay.  You see, the ones they are against are THOSE kind. You know, THOSE.  Not the good ones. 
 

I’m sure there will be a very good system to sort it all out. Maybe a train system. 

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19 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

so maga likes the immigrants now ?

 

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These guys had zero aspirations in messing with their cheap labor.  Like the caravans immigration has magically been fixed now that a democrat isn’t in office.  The moron GOP will cheer along.  Absolute morons. 

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You ain't gonna get white people to do the nasty jobs that immigrants do for the pay they get. You want me to pick this entire field of cabbage then go clean the slaughter house for contract labor pay? Good luck with that. 

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Just now, tx 3 putt said:

 

the dumbest people alive 

 

No, most of us here are.   Because (as far as I know) no one that posts here came up with this idea.  Or were willing enough to set aside ethics and morals and whatnot and actually do it.

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

No, most of us here are.   Because (as far as I know) no one that posts here came up with this idea.  Or were willing enough to set aside ethics and morals and whatnot and actually do it.

 

 

 

 

 

we all missed the grifting opportunity of our lives 

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14 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

I was talking about her shaking hands and getting injured according to some reports.

And she caught Covid. That ain't the vaccine. WTF is this crazy woman talking about?

I know.  But the point is, she is now alleging a vaccine injury, when, at the time, she was calling herself a long-Covid victim. while also admitting that she wasn't vaccinated prior to getting it, although on the rational ground that, at the time, she didn't want to exercise legislator priority, letting the old and sick get it first.

She is, quietly, one of the most performative magats out there.

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On 12/30/2024 at 8:57 AM, DigglerontheHoof said:

Followed by TV commercials w/ doctors talking about their favorite cigarette brands.  "4 out of 5 doctors recommend Lucky Strike; The Healthy Nicotine Option."

I knew they'd make America Great Again. I had no idea they planned to make it James Bond Freakin Awesome.

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11 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

so maga likes the immigrants now ?

 

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That describes about 95 percent of the people they've been railing about deporting that do the bad jobs at wages Americans won't agree with. 

I think "this is NOT what we voted for" is quickly becoming the new slogan. No more maga. Now TINWWVF

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Dude.   They will never complain about Trump and MAGA.  Trump could personally come into their house, shoot their dog and rape their daughter, and they'd blame the "goddamned communist Demoncrats!"

Oh, they’ll bitch….and then vote for him again.

See: my FIL. And Aunt. And Uncle. Fuck.
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trump's fluffer on cnn is a horrible person and i hope he stubs his toe and steps on legos then misses the toilet and pisses on his PJs every night for the rest of his life.

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7 hours ago, tigol said:


Oh, they’ll bitch….and then vote for him again.

See: my FIL. And Aunt. And Uncle. Fuck.

They won't have to; he's in for life, but he's probably going to die in office because he's a fat moron.

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On 12/30/2024 at 1:58 AM, tx 3 putt said:

Trump Bulbs !

“A lot of people are saying these Trump Bulbs are truly dim bulbs. Some people say the Trump Bulbs are really the dimmest bulbs ever!”

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He no longer needs them for votes. Technically, he does, for the mid terms. But he's too stupid and lazy to care about that. He needed them to keep his ass out of prison, and they've done just that. They allowed an insurrectionist, traitor, and all around criminal to go free and get to play president again for 4 years. That's all he needed from them, and now he's going to fuck them over and do whatever he thinks makes Elon want to be around him more.  

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5 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

we need more immigrants !!!!!

 

Won’t make a lick of difference.  Trump could do an interview and call out most of his voters INDIVIDUALLY BY NAME and say “FUCK YOU”, and they’d still vote for him.

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A note of folks wondering what is going to happen in 2025 economically.  Remember how excited some folks were, and how Trump's electicion created the biggest bump in Stock market history!  And how Trump's policies created more jobs than any President Ever!  And Republicans are concerned about the debt!

 

It's honestly amazing to me that none of the above are remotely factually correct, but you can hear these falsehoods repeatedly.  You will hear the same extolling of falsehoods this go round.  Except the reality is that the GOP has increased deficits by more than the Dems, every single time they have control of all three houses of Government.  For example the massive "Trump Bump" for the Market.  The Biden bump in November 2016 was about 10%, Trumps 6% mark is what is knows as smaller.  Employment must have been good right?  Well if you take the 6 month prior to Trump's inauguration and use that average, you look forward and find that after 2-1/2 years in office Trump is about 1.5 million behind the jobs creation number he inherited.  But... it was the greatest economy ever we were told ad nauseam.  And the Deficit was exploded do to the inability of the GOP to make any offsets for their endless reduction in revenue via tax cuts to save the rich more money.  So we borrowed a shit ton, and THAT my firieds was the begiing of the inflation that Biden supposedly created all by himself after inheriting the shitty ass Trump Economy.

Trump will have inherited the two strongest economies ever inherited by an incoming President.  I fully expect Trump will hand of an economy similr to each one handed off by a Republican since Ronald reagan, he will hand off an economy much, much weaker with an increase in e=deficit spending far beyond the prior administration.

Basically I expect historically accurate patterns to be the same.  I also expect a record number of folks believing the exact opposite from what is factually accurate. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

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1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

Won’t make a lick of difference.  Trump could do an interview and call out most of his voters INDIVIDUALLY BY NAME and say “FUCK YOU”, and they’d still vote for him.

Luckily, they can't anymore. Ever.

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58 minutes ago, horn4life said:

A note of folks wondering what is going to happen in 2025 economically.  Remember how excited some folks were, and how Trump's electicion created the biggest bump in Stock market history!  And how Trump's policies created more jobs than any President Ever!  And Republicans are concerned about the debt!

 

It's honestly amazing to me that none of the above are remotely factually correct, but you can hear these falsehoods repeatedly.  You will hear the same extolling of falsehoods this go round.  Except the reality is that the GOP has increased deficits by more than the Dems, every single time they have control of all three houses of Government.  For example the massive "Trump Bump" for the Market.  The Biden bump in November 2016 was about 10%, Trumps 6% mark is what is knows as smaller.  Employment must have been good right?  Well if you take the 6 month prior to Trump's inauguration and use that average, you look forward and find that after 2-1/2 years in office Trump is about 1.5 million behind the jobs creation number he inherited.  But... it was the greatest economy ever we were told ad nauseam.  And the Deficit was exploded do to the inability of the GOP to make any offsets for their endless reduction in revenue via tax cuts to save the rich more money.  So we borrowed a shit ton, and THAT my firieds was the begiing of the inflation that Biden supposedly created all by himself after inheriting the shitty ass Trump Economy.

Trump will have inherited the two strongest economies ever inherited by an incoming President.  I fully expect Trump will hand of an economy similr to each one handed off by a Republican since Ronald reagan, he will hand off an economy much, much weaker with an increase in e=deficit spending far beyond the prior administration.

Basically I expect historically accurate patterns to be the same.  I also expect a record number of folks believing the exact opposite from what is factually accurate. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

That’s one big bummer about the election is the next President is inheriting significant economic tailwinds:

-Continued flow of capital and other benefits from post-pandemic stimulus (BBB, CHIPS).

-Advancements in AI and associated technology creating productivity improvements.

-The greatest transfer of wealth in history increasing velocity of money as Boomers retire and die.

Barring a nuclear power starting a war or the emergence of another pandemic, it will be hard for Trump to fuck up the economy.  If he does it will probably be due to civil unrest due to wealth inequality, although even that probably won’t happen during his term.

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2 hours ago, horn4life said:

A note of folks wondering what is going to happen in 2025 economically.  Remember how excited some folks were, and how Trump's electicion created the biggest bump in Stock market history!  And how Trump's policies created more jobs than any President Ever!  And Republicans are concerned about the debt!

 

It's honestly amazing to me that none of the above are remotely factually correct, but you can hear these falsehoods repeatedly.  You will hear the same extolling of falsehoods this go round.  Except the reality is that the GOP has increased deficits by more than the Dems, every single time they have control of all three houses of Government.  For example the massive "Trump Bump" for the Market.  The Biden bump in November 2016 was about 10%, Trumps 6% mark is what is knows as smaller.  Employment must have been good right?  Well if you take the 6 month prior to Trump's inauguration and use that average, you look forward and find that after 2-1/2 years in office Trump is about 1.5 million behind the jobs creation number he inherited.  But... it was the greatest economy ever we were told ad nauseam.  And the Deficit was exploded do to the inability of the GOP to make any offsets for their endless reduction in revenue via tax cuts to save the rich more money.  So we borrowed a shit ton, and THAT my firieds was the begiing of the inflation that Biden supposedly created all by himself after inheriting the shitty ass Trump Economy.

Trump will have inherited the two strongest economies ever inherited by an incoming President.  I fully expect Trump will hand of an economy similr to each one handed off by a Republican since Ronald reagan, he will hand off an economy much, much weaker with an increase in e=deficit spending far beyond the prior administration.

Basically I expect historically accurate patterns to be the same.  I also expect a record number of folks believing the exact opposite from what is factually accurate. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

So the price of eggs will do what?

See, price finally goes down and wham, here comes bird flu.

 

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3 hours ago, horn4life said:

A note of folks wondering what is going to happen in 2025 economically.  Remember how excited some folks were, and how Trump's electicion created the biggest bump in Stock market history!  And how Trump's policies created more jobs than any President Ever!  And Republicans are concerned about the debt!


It's honestly amazing to me that none of the above are remotely factually correct, but you can hear these falsehoods repeatedly.  You will hear the same extolling of falsehoods this go round.  Except the reality is that the GOP has increased deficits by more than the Dems, every single time they have control of all three houses of Government.  For example the massive "Trump Bump" for the Market.  The Biden bump in November 2016 was about 10%, Trumps 6% mark is what is knows as smaller.  Employment must have been good right?  Well if you take the 6 month prior to Trump's inauguration and use that average, you look forward and find that after 2-1/2 years in office Trump is about 1.5 million behind the jobs creation number he inherited.  But... it was the greatest economy ever we were told ad nauseam. 

Wait...

Biden got a bump in Nov 2016 after Trump was elected????

 

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And the Deficit was exploded do to the inability of the GOP to make any offsets for their endless reduction in revenue via tax cuts to save the rich more money.  So we borrowed a shit ton, and THAT my firieds was the begiing of the inflation that Biden supposedly created all by himself after inheriting the shitty ass Trump Economy.

Trump will have inherited the two strongest economies ever inherited by an incoming President.  I fully expect Trump will hand of an economy similr to each one handed off by a Republican since Ronald reagan, he will hand off an economy much, much weaker with an increase in e=deficit spending far beyond the prior administration.

Basically I expect historically accurate patterns to be the same.  I also expect a record number of folks believing the exact opposite from what is factually accurate. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

 

And tax revenues decreased after the 2017 tax cuts???

 

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It appears they grew from $3.32T in 2017 to $4.9T in 2022.  Can you explain how that is a REDUCTION in revenues?

 

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3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

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As stated above, I’m in Egypt.  I saw this multiple times and thought it was an AI generated image when you plug in Trump Presidency and Elon, but nope, it’s real.  This SIM is cooking…

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5 hours ago, Ag with kids said:

Wait...

Biden got a bump in Nov 2016 after Trump was elected????

 

 

And tax revenues decreased after the 2017 tax cuts???

 

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It appears they grew from $3.32T in 2017 to $4.9T in 2022.  Can you explain how that is a REDUCTION in revenues?

 

Yeah, I don't know anything about these numbers, but I assume you need to look at where you are compared to where you would be. 

But I'm a lawyer, not a finance guy. 

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6 hours ago, Ag with kids said:

It appears they grew from $3.32T in 2017 to $4.9T in 2022.  Can you explain how that is a REDUCTION in revenues?

Off topic, but it always makes me laugh the way political “conservatives” pat themselves on the back for wealth transfers just like the most profligate big spending progressives.
Money machine go BRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Off topic, but it always makes me laugh the way political “conservatives” pat themselves on the back for wealth transfers just like the most profligate big spending progressives.
Money machine go BRRRRRRRRRRRRR

How is it a "wealth transfer" when the tax rates went DOWN?

And when 50% of people pay 0% taxes...what wealth is being transferred where?

NOW...the spending part is Dumbass 101, but that's on both sides...

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4 hours ago, Bookman said:

Yeah, I don't know anything about these numbers, but I assume you need to look at where you are compared to where you would be. 

But I'm a lawyer, not a finance guy. 

I didn't make a comment on them other than to ask how h4l's post jived with the actual numbers...

Not a finance guy, either...

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13 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

How is it a "wealth transfer" when the tax rates went DOWN?

And when 50% of people pay 0% taxes...what wealth is being transferred where?

NOW...the spending part is Dumbass 101, but that's on both sides...

Because it’s a transfer from future to present and represents structural expansion of the deficit and the debt. Ands for your “both sides,” I should hope that I’ve made it clear over the last 23 years that I don’t care at all about any of that. 

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Because it’s a transfer from future to present and represents structural expansion of the deficit and the debt. Ands for your “both sides,” I should hope that I’ve made it clear over the last 23 years that I don’t care at all about any of that. 

To be crystal clear about what saying- tax cuts funded by debt expansion (eg 2001, 2003, and 2017) are wealth transfers from “kids” to @Ag with kids.

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4 hours ago, Ag with kids said:

How is it a "wealth transfer" when the tax rates went DOWN?

And when 50% of people pay 0% taxes...what wealth is being transferred where?

NOW...the spending part is Dumbass 101, but that's on both sides...

Who pays zero tax? How do they avoid sales and property taxes? How do they avoid paying into social security and Medicare?
 

 

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6 hours ago, Ag with kids said:

I didn't make a comment on them other than to ask how h4l's post jived with the actual numbers...

Not a finance guy, either...

Yes aren't the numbers you posted incomplete at best? 

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6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Noodling around on this, I saw this fantastic quote.

Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., Supreme Court Justice for 30 years, once declared: “I like to pay taxes, with them I buy civilization”.

A more progressive tax code disincentivizes fraud, corruption and regulatory violations by minimizing the reward for the risk. If any individual or entity knows beforehand they're only going to be able to keep a smaller portion of any ill-gotten gains, there's a far less likelihood that risk will be taken. As it is now, taking the risk is incentivized.

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Raises taxes on the rich would help overall society and the structural fiscal picture for our country.

But rich people run the country and normies need inflated stock prices to retire.

Any large tax increase would likely cause some big sell off on Wall Street and put us in a recession long enough to vote out the responsible party… thereby ensuring it never gets done.

True democracy doesn’t work anymore in an era of almost universal suffrage, universal disinformation, and seemingly universal disengagement from the process. 
Money as speech means that taxes are stifling speech …..
 

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50 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Raises taxes on the rich would help overall society and the structural fiscal picture for our country.

But rich people run the country and normies need inflated stock prices to retire.

Any large tax increase would likely cause some big sell off on Wall Street and put us in a recession long enough to vote out the responsible party… thereby ensuring it never gets done.

True democracy doesn’t work anymore in an era of almost universal suffrage, universal disinformation, and seemingly universal disengagement from the process. 
Money as speech means that taxes are stifling speech …..

You outline the problem in your statement - our democracy was eaten by our economic system. Capital is what determines policy - NOT The People 

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20 hours ago, Ag with kids said:

Wait...

Biden got a bump in Nov 2016 after Trump was elected????

 

 

And tax revenues decreased after the 2017 tax cuts???

 

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It appears they grew from $3.32T in 2017 to $4.9T in 2022.  Can you explain how that is a REDUCTION in revenues?

Because I do not do budgetary math in a vacuum! 😉 

It's really pretty simple. When you specifically do not answer the question posed and instead answer another question it's simple to be wrong.  Tax revenue reduction percentage were made, that EXPLODED the deficit.

You see when you do math there is something there is a bottom line figure. Did overall revenues increase? Yes.  Did the percentage of revenues collected decrease? Yes.  But if you want to PRETEND that a larger overall volume of revenue, that is offset by a far, far larger increase in expenses is something other than digging a deeper deficit hole, you are welcome to do so. 

AND prove exactly my point about the MAGA delusion of factual reality.  But very good contortion to avoid the bottom line of massive borrowing to pay for those tax cuts that HAVE NEVER EVER EVER, produced enough increase in overall tax revenue ,as predicted, to offset the massive borrowing expense of paying for those tax cuts.  So I think it's very reasonable to expect that same massive borrowing under Republicans to continue.  As it has since Ronald Reagan without exception.

 

 

I misspoke on 2016 vs 2020.  OF COURSE my assertion and the actual facts are accurate in that Biden's bump was larger percentage-wise than Trump's was.  In fact thanks for challenge> Apparently I grossly overestimated Trumps bump!  I used the Dow.  

For Trump market closed at 42,221.88 On November 5th 2024 and closed on December 31st at 42.544.22.   (.076% increase)

For Biden market closed at 27,480.03, On November 3rd 2020,  end closed of December 30th at 30,606.48.  (11.38% increase)

Though in Trump's defense the Biden Stock market has been so strong for so long, that there was likely some profit taking after such a long great run. Biden did not have to contend with anything but Covid, no jobs, and the greatest increase in the national debt percentage wise in 4 years in our nation's history.  And the burden of inheriting another exceptional economy is Trump's burden to bear.

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36 minutes ago, horn4life said:

You see when you do math there is something there is a bottom line figure. Did overall revenues increase? Yes.  Did the percentage of revenues collected decrease? Yes.  But if you want to PRETEND that a larger overall volume of revenue, that is offset by a far, far larger increase in expenses is something other than digging a deeper deficit hole, you are welcome to do so. 

AND prove exactly my point about the MAGA delusion of factual reality.

MAGA? There’s nothing new here. This has been orthodoxy since Reagan- debt funded fiscal stimulus via tax cuts regardless of whether it hurts or helps the economy. 
Volcker, Bush I and Clinton took us off that plan. Bush II put us back on it, permanently, with an unfortunate dagger 3 in 2010 on a turnover from Obama. 2017 was just running up the score in garbage time. 
The real irony is that these dudes have the stones to invoke Mises and Hayek when they do this shit despite being too Keynesian for Keynes. 

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Well, thanks, @Ag with kids, for the opportunity to point out the turnip party wants to cut SS, and, perhaps, Medicare, despite those two programs having a dedicated tax, which legally employed citizens pay into, and for that half of the country you mention, at 100% of their income. 

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45 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

too Keynesian for Keynes. 

That's a good line, I will have to steal that.

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48 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

MAGA? There’s nothing new here. This has been orthodoxy since Reagan- debt funded fiscal stimulus via tax cuts regardless of whether it hurts or helps the economy. 
Volcker, Bush I and Clinton took us off that plan. Bush II put us back on it, permanently, with an unfortunate dagger 3 in 2010 on a turnover from Obama. 2017 was just running up the score in garbage time. 
The real irony is that these dudes have the stones to invoke Mises and Hayek when they do this shit despite being too Keynesian for Keynes. 

Damn that last line is a fucking mic drop. Nice!

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7 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

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Yeah that’s true by the letter of the law but the amount of tax dodging in a mostly cash world would make today’s billionaires blush.  
 

edit: we are on the same page though 

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