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On 5/7/2025 at 11:02 PM, UpperWestside said:

Everything runs its course. How long? I do not know the answer anymore than anyone else. Will it get worse before it gets better? Yes, yes it will. Many of the immigrants we already have here are a resilient lot that has seen far worse than what is happening right now. They'll survive this stupidity, but the rebuild of international goodwill is something that could take decades. 

This is a fact.  Stay the course and fight back however you can - agree you should stay within the boundaries of the law and we don't have much ammo right now.  BUT, anyone who throws their arms up and is like 'oh well, we lost, this is the end' hasn't read enough history books.  

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1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This is a fact.  Stay the course and fight back however you can - agree you should stay within the boundaries of the law and we don't have much ammo right now.  BUT, anyone who throws their arms up and is like 'oh well, we lost, this is the end' hasn't read enough history books.  

Man o'man - I really hope you are right. But this feels different than in the past, but maybe everything goes that way. I don't think the US government has ever embraced the leaders of business (oligarchy) like it is now; this country was built on immigration, but the last comprehensive reform package passed by Congress was in 1986, parts have been tweaked but no major bill since then. I live in an agricultural area, and many specialty crops will go unharvested because of fear of ICE. Before that there were high school and college kids who would pick fruits and vegetables next to immigrants, but the US youth don't want to do that work today & the immigrants can't get the VISA's they did in the past or fear they will get rounded up. Many of these were families, and the came for the harvest and went back to Mexico (this was years ago), but then Mexico became to violent so they stayed...but with no real path to citizenship or permanent status. 
MAGA throws a blind net of murderers, rapists, etc and ignores those who produce for our economy. I don't know the answer to this problem, but blindly shipping them "back" doesn't seem like the right solution.

I know some people who view this as a Trump problem, but I fear he is really the figurehead, a TV spokesman, who could rally the votes. They think that once he isn't running that balance will come back to the political system. I think there are powerful people actually pulling the strings, and changes are being made to how elections will work that will keep these people in power for many more cycles. 

No one should just throw up their arms, but I do think that people will take personal peril to challenge the party (we have really already seen this when powerful politicians have ceded their voice to Trump (and his shot callers), people like Rubio, Cruz, and many others; along with the group that were able to get elected because they worship at the feet of MAGA (Taylor Greene, at least 3 here in Michigan that I could name, Boebert, etc. 

I guess we will wait and see how the mid-terms go, with the economy stalling, tariffs on the horizon, inflation returning (if tariffs hit), the market caught between Presidential announcements, and potentially lower voter turnout. 

But hey - American Pope, born in Chicago, did a stint in seminary high school in Michigan and a Big East grad so go Pope (though to be honest I was really hoping for Cardinal Pizzaballa....because I like to say it) 

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3 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

We're post outrage.  So was this guy.  We need to be angry like this guy, even if he went too far.john-brown-tragic-prelude-john-steuart-c

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6 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

Man o'man - I really hope you are right. But this feels different than in the past, but maybe everything goes that way. I don't think the US government has ever embraced the leaders of business (oligarchy) like it is now; this country was built on immigration, but the last comprehensive reform package passed by Congress was in 1986, parts have been tweaked but no major bill since then. I live in an agricultural area, and many specialty crops will go unharvested because of fear of ICE. Before that there were high school and college kids who would pick fruits and vegetables next to immigrants, but the US youth don't want to do that work today & the immigrants can't get the VISA's they did in the past or fear they will get rounded up. Many of these were families, and the came for the harvest and went back to Mexico (this was years ago), but then Mexico became to violent so they stayed...but with no real path to citizenship or permanent status. 
MAGA throws a blind net of murderers, rapists, etc and ignores those who produce for our economy. I don't know the answer to this problem, but blindly shipping them "back" doesn't seem like the right solution.

I know some people who view this as a Trump problem, but I fear he is really the figurehead, a TV spokesman, who could rally the votes. They think that once he isn't running that balance will come back to the political system. I think there are powerful people actually pulling the strings, and changes are being made to how elections will work that will keep these people in power for many more cycles. 

No one should just throw up their arms, but I do think that people will take personal peril to challenge the party (we have really already seen this when powerful politicians have ceded their voice to Trump (and his shot callers), people like Rubio, Cruz, and many others; along with the group that were able to get elected because they worship at the feet of MAGA (Taylor Greene, at least 3 here in Michigan that I could name, Boebert, etc. 

I guess we will wait and see how the mid-terms go, with the economy stalling, tariffs on the horizon, inflation returning (if tariffs hit), the market caught between Presidential announcements, and potentially lower voter turnout. 

But hey - American Pope, born in Chicago, did a stint in seminary high school in Michigan and a Big East grad so go Pope (though to be honest I was really hoping for Cardinal Pizzaballa....because I like to say it) 

There’s hope.  I mean you’re a capitalist and likely have my political background and you’re newly hanging out in CR.  You’re the type of person that gives us hope.  
The asshole contingent is the very vocal minority.  
We will win in the end.  But, yes, there will be pain we have to endure.  But nothing like the holocaust, for example (yay?).  

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3 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This is a fact.  Stay the course and fight back however you can - agree you should stay within the boundaries of the law and we don't have much ammo right now.  BUT, anyone who throws their arms up and is like 'oh well, we lost, this is the end' hasn't read enough history books.  

People have either got to know their history or someone has to educate them. Around here we have a great grasp of history and understand that none of this lasts. Every single day I will educate at least one person on history because it’s what I love. I can tell folks the similarities with what has happened in the past and give a rough outline of what will happen in this version of America.  
 

Outside of that the best thing all of us can do is you talk to people. Take the knowledge of history that you have and use it for good. You never know what person you are speaking to and how your single interaction with them could change their life for the better. Even if you do not want to make a living telling people about history just get out there. Every little bit of education and knowledge you give to someone is helpful. We will come out of this, but until then you just prepare people for what they will see happen and how to deal with it.

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4 hours ago, HenryJames said:

He didn't go far enough.

He literally took it as far as one can.

Unless you mean allowing the train to proceed or not retreating north into the woods.

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1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

rather amazing there aren't any questionable immigrants from anglo countries ?

I mean we are past that, the orange moron signed an executive order giving white South Africans asylum, not South Africans of any race, specifically Afrikaneers.

They had an election where the candidate Musk was whining about lost, meanwhile Trump won, the Hitler adjacent candidate there lost while the Hitler adjacent candidate won in the US. We are way past the mask falling off.

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1 hour ago, linux said:

I mean we are past that, the orange moron signed an executive order giving white South Africans asylum, not South Africans of any race, specifically Afrikaneers.

They had an election where the candidate Musk was whining about lost, meanwhile Trump won, the Hitler adjacent candidate there lost while the Hitler adjacent candidate won in the US. We are way past the mask falling off.

 

saw an article earlier, they still own 72% of south african farm land 

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2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

saw an article earlier, they still own 72% of south african farm land 

And I can fucking guarantee that it will be the worst of the worst not even the ones truly threatened but the 70's and 80's ruling class that got pantsed in their African Wars, the cruelty is the point they would give asylum to Joachim Peiper over an Oskar Schindler.

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2 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

If you’re white and need a flight you’re alright with ‘Merica.

I think that's actually a lyric from (Upper)Westside Story 

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On 5/9/2025 at 3:30 PM, fuggled said:

 

It's pretty much open season now and it's escalating right as we head into summer....bookmark these comments below and return in September to see where we are.

 

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1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

It's pretty much open season now and it's escalating right as we head into summer....bookmark these comments below and return in September to see where we are.

 

 

he wants to arrest AOC 

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3 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

On the other hand:

 

 

 

It’s been said a million times, but imagine the outcry if this happened under Biden’s administration. It would be wall to wall coverage on Fox News and NewsMax.

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This seems as good a place as any for this part of Trump's ONE, BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL:

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The legislation would provide $46.5 billion to revive construction of Trump’s wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, and more money for the deportation agenda.

There’s $4 billion to hire an additional 3,000 new Border Patrol agents as well as 5,000 new customs officers, and $2.1 billion for signing and retention bonuses, for a total of $69 billion in new spending.

It includes major changes to immigration policy, imposing a $1,000 fee on migrants seeking asylum — something the nation has never done, putting it on par with few others, including Australia and Iran.

Overall, the plan is to remove 1 million immigrants annually and house 100,000 people in detention centers. It calls for 10,000 more Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers and investigators.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-tax-cuts-bill-medicaid-work-requirements-17cbde167f3b434e925a199c3253b8e1

 

I'm guessing this a different wall than the one Mexico is pay for. 

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On 5/10/2025 at 4:17 PM, The Original Greaser Bob said:

We're post outrage.  So was this guy.  We need to be angry like this guy, even if he went too far.john-brown-tragic-prelude-john-steuart-c

He didn’t go too far. He was just early.

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35 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

What the actual fuck?

Well, you see, green card holders generally have to obey all laws. If they break the law, they may be departed through the immigration court system if evidence is bad enough to revoke the legal permanent status. So, this guy probably jaywalked heading to the airport and he'll just be black hooded to prison in another country with the immigration court never being involved. 

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9 minutes ago, gernblansten said:

Well, you see, green card holders generally have to obey all laws. If they break the law, they may be departed through the immigration court system if evidence is bad enough to revoke the legal permanent status. So, this guy probably jaywalked heading to the airport and he'll just be black hooded to prison in another country with the immigration court never being involved. 

I mean, I presume that's it.

By the way, as someone with foster responsibilities over a refugee with green card status....this whole fucking regime has us terrified.  Beyond the usual parental lectures of "don't do anything stupid and get in trouble with the law" one always gives a teen, with a litany of the consequences, our lecture has to also include "or you could end up tossed into a hellish foreign gulag for the rest of your life."  I mean, "roll through a stop sign, die in a Salvadoran gulag" is a fucking psychotic sentence to even exist, but here we are.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

I mean, I presume that's it.

By the way, as someone with foster responsibilities over a refugee with green card status....this whole fucking regime has us terrified.  Beyond the usual parental lectures of "don't do anything stupid and get in trouble with the law" one always gives a teen, with a litany of the consequences, our lecture has to also include "or you could end up tossed into a hellish foreign gulag for the rest of your life."  I mean, "roll through a stop sign, die in a Salvadoran gulag" is a fucking psychotic sentence to even exist, but here we are.

America is the land of opportunity. Some new opportunities have been introduced. That's all. Not a lot of countries invite you in, then pick you out of millions of people to place on a very exclusive, semi private flight to visit another country with the flight and accommodations paid for by America. 

Borat sequel has reportedly already been shot and screened in secret

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10 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

On the other hand:

 

 

 

I am guessing that the cartel guys can afford to pay for those $5 million gold cards that Trump has been selling; that kind of money supersedes vetting, interviews, or any other precautionary tests. 
You didn't think that upstanding citizens would pay that much? did you?

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Here is another story of a group of persecuted individuals that the Trump Administration allowed into the US - this group is family members of the kingpin drug lord, these people aren't white, but I bet they paid a lot to be allowed into the country.

Were 17 members of El Chapo's family escorted into U.S. from Mexico? - Los Angeles Times

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17 members of a cartel kingpin’s family were escorted into California from Mexico. Why?

 

Mexican newspapers on display at a newsstand, near a passerby looking at his phone

The capture of reputed cartel leader Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada García made front-page news in Mexico City in July 2024. 
(Rodrigo Oropeza / AFP/Getty Images)
By Patrick J. McDonnellForeign Correspondent 
Published May 13, 2025 Updated May 14, 2025 12:52 PM PT
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  • Mexico’s security chief confirmed reports that relatives of drug kingpin Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán were allowed to enter San Diego.
  • Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum complained that U.S. authorities had failed to notify their Mexican counterparts about the operation.

MEXICO CITY — Key pillars of the Trump administration’s policy toward Mexico involve large-scale deportations and a crackdown on cartels.

But reports in the Mexican media suggest that U.S. authorities recently orchestrated the secret, cross-border move of at least 17 relatives of Mexico’s most notorious drug kingpin — Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán, co-founder of the Sinaloa cartel — to California.

On Wednesday, Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, clearly frustrated, said U.S. authorities had failed to notify their Mexican counterparts of what appeared to be a highly choreographed operation by Washington to transport the drug lord’s extended family across the border from Tijuana to San Diego.

“We are doing our work” to fight drug trafficking, Sheinbaum said. “The issue is: What information is out there and how do they [U.S. officials] explain this? They have to give information.”

Various social media sites have circulated images purporting to show El Chapo’s kin lugging rolling suitcases as they waited to enter the United States last week at the San Ysidro border crossing connecting Tijuana and San Diego.

 

In a radio interview Tuesday, Omar García Harfuch, Mexico’s security chief, confirmed that the move took place.

He characterized the transfer of El Chapo’s relatives as part of a “negotiation” between the U.S. Justice Department and representatives of one of El Chapo’s sons, Ovidio Guzmán López, who faces drug smuggling and other charges in federal court in Chicago.

 

FILE - This frame grab from video, provided by the Mexican government, shows Ovidio Guzman Lopez being detained in Culiacan, Mexico, Oct. 17, 2019. Ovidio's brothers, Archivaldo Guzmán Salazar and Jesus Alfredo Guzmán Salazar, are the lead defendants among 23 associates charged with running a criminal enterprise, fentanyl trafficking, among other things, in a New York indictment unsealed April 14, 2023 in Manhattan, while Ovidio, alias “the Mouse,” is facing similar charges in another indictment in the same district. Another brother, Joaquín Guzmán López, is charged in the Northern District of Illinois. (CEPROPIE via AP File)

Guzmán López was initially arrested in a 2019 military raid that sparked gun battles paralyzing the city of Culiacán, prompting then-President Andrés Manuel López Obrador to order him freed in a bid to end the violence. He was rearrested in 2023 in a second bloody operation that left at least 29 dead, including 10 Mexican soldiers. Mexico extradited him to the United States in September 2023 to face drug trafficking charges.

 

Guzmán López, 35, known as El Ratón (“The mouse”), plans to change his not guilty plea to guilty, according to court papers, but the terms of his potential plea deal remain publicly unknown. A court hearing is set for July 9 in federal court in Chicago.

“As we saw in the news, Ovidio begins a negotiation with the Department of Justice of the United States and it’s evident that, [with] his family going to the United States, it’s because of that negotiation,” García Harfuch told Mexico’s Radio Formula.

The current whereabouts of the El Chapo relatives could not be determined. It was unclear whether they were under some form of protective custody.

In Mexico, security experts say, El Chapo’s relatives could be vulnerable to the violence associated with a civil war raging within the Sinaloa cartel.

The case against Guzmán López is part of a wide-ranging U.S. effort to take down the Sinaloa gang, which is considered Mexico’s most extensive criminal organization. The Sinaloa cartel is one of six in Mexico that the Trump administration has designated as foreign terrorist organizations.

There has been speculation in Mexico that, in exchange for a reduced prison term and other concessions, Guzmán López could agree to testify for the government in drug cases. Such “cooperation” agreements, experts say, routinely include protection for the relatives of potential witnesses.

 
 

FILE - In this Feb. 22, 2014 file photo, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, the head of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel, is escorted to a helicopter in Mexico City following his capture in the beach resort town of Mazatlan, Mexico. Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said on Wednesday, Jan. 18 2023 that the government will analyze El Chapo's request to be returned to Mexico to carry out his life prison sentence. (AP Photo/Eduardo Verdugo, File)

 

The Justice Department has not explained why Mexico apparently was not notified of the operation to move El Chapo’s extended family across the border. It is unclear whether the decision was an oversight or a deliberate omission out of fear that news of the move would be leaked to criminal elements in Mexico.

A Justice Department spokeswoman, Nicole Navas, declined to comment. Guzmán Lopez’s New York-based attorney, Jeffrey Lichtman, did not return messages.

El Chapo, who was convicted in 2019 of running a vast drug network, is serving a life sentence at a “supermax” prison in Colorado.

The accounts about El Chapo’s relatives entering San Diego originated with Luis Chaparro, a Mexican journalist who specializes in stories about Mexico’s drug world.

On Monday, citing “sources,” Chaparro reported on his YouTube channel that 17 of El Chapo’s relatives — including his ex-wife, various nephews and nieces, a grandson, a daughter and a son-in-law — entered U.S. territory in San Ysidro around midday May 9 and were met by FBI agents. They carried more than $70,000 in cash, reported Chaparro, who said at least one sniper watched over the group as they turned themselves in to U.S. authorities.

Among the group was Griselda López, El Chapo’s former wife and the mother of Ovidio and his elder brother, Joaquín Guzmán López, who is also in U.S. custody facing drug charges.

There has been widespread speculation in the Mexican press that the two jailed brothers may seek a plea deal and possibly agree to testify against Ismael Zambada García, a co-founder, with El Chapo, of the notorious Sinaloa cartel.

 

Un miembro de la Guardia Nacional vigila una carretera cerca de donde yace un cadáver en Culiacán, Sinaloa, en el norte de México, el sábado 21 de septiembre de 2024. (AP Foto/Eduardo Verdugo)

Zambada has said he was kidnapped by Joaquín Guzmán López in the summer and flown into the custody of U.S. agents outside El Paso. Mexican authorities say they too were blindsided by that sensational operation, which Mexican authorities say was probably orchestrated by U.S. agents. Zambada is reportedly in plea negotiations with U.S. authorities to avoid a potential death penalty.

His arrest has sparked a bloody turf war splitting the Sinaloa cartel. Backers of Zambada are fighting supporters of El Chapo’s sons, known as Los Chapitos, for control of the notorious organization. Two of El Chapo’s other sons are both fugitives who have remained in Mexico and avoided arrest while assuming their father’s legacy of running the cartel, authorities say.

Times staff writer Keegan Hamilton in Los Angeles and special correspondents Cecilia Sánchez Vidal and Liliana Nieto del Río in Mexico City contributed to this report.

 

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2 hours ago, Mittens said:

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The cruelty is the point, part eleventy billion. This guy was on a flight LEAVING THE COUNTRY, but instead of letting him go and just flagging his passport and not letting him come back (still bullshit) they pulled him off a plane in an act of pure cruelty theater so they could throw him in a gulag. 

I'd also like to know how it got to that. He obviously cleared the documents check at security. Why did they wait until he was on the plane? Did an FA call someone and make up a pretext to get him kicked off? Is American Airlines assisting ICE? 



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