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Fuck the 4 judges who voted against Scott and Springsteen and nearly kept them in prison.  The state probably would have proudly and gleefully executed them, too.

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6 hours ago, CurlyDumps said:

Fuck the 4 judges who voted against Scott and Springsteen and nearly kept them in prison.  The state probably would have proudly and gleefully executed them, too.

They kinda excuted one of the four. 

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No one has every heard of Dean Corll and his henchmen Elmer Wayne Henley and David Brooks?

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ETA Replying to the thread shift about serial killers and accomplices.
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47 minutes ago, DoobieWah said:

No one has every heard of Dean Corll and his henchmen Elmer Wayne Henley and David Brooks?

Yeah, I commented about The Heights kidnappings/murders on another thread a while ago. I think that’s way more haunting and fucked up than The Yogurt Shop Murders. It’s also another commentary on incompetent law enforcement, as Houston PD seemed to have largely written off the disappearances as runaways and never did much of any real investigation.

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On 8/18/2025 at 12:52 PM, Gourmand said:

Polanco is also the detective who extracted a false confession out of Christopher Ochoa for the rape and murder of Pizza Hut employee Nancy DePriest in 1988. That confession was used to convict both Ochoa and his friend Richard Danziger despite Danziger's consistent protestation that both were innocent and he had no idea why his friend had confessed. 

https://innocenceproject.org/cases/richard-danziger/#:~:text=Chris Ochoa pled guilty to,slaying or raping of DePriest

The first red flag in the documentary was Polanco’s stated claim of having no unsolved cases. It reeked of ego, forced confessions, and fixing cases in order to maintain that fictional stat.

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8 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

 

The first red flag in the documentary was Polanco’s stated claim of having no unsolved cases. It reeked of ego, forced confessions, and fixing cases in order to maintain that fictional stat.

The dude who is currently working the cold case file claimed the exact same thing. 
 

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16 hours ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

Well, the impressive failure of the time capsule was a perfect metaphor for the whole shit.

Sure hope Claire made some $, since she did 75% of the work. 

I recognized one of the ladies that was there for the time capsule and it turns out she was one of Amy’s best friends. I had no idea. 

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7 hours ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

 

The first red flag in the documentary was Polanco’s stated claim of having no unsolved cases. It reeked of ego, forced confessions, and fixing cases in order to maintain that fictional stat.

Yup. Thought the same thing. Especially back in the 70s/80s/early 90s.

I've seen that same red flag in other cases. 

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The first cold case detective is dead fucking set on trying to prove he solved the case.  like his entire lifes work is invalidated if it turns out his investigation was flawed,

 

Ive never seen a cop try so hard to explain away DNA evidence.   I understand the original first thought of "contamination", but its been 25 fucking years since he thought he solved the case, 15 years since the DNA evidence showed another person.... and now we find out that the APD cold case squad has at least 3 different samples that all came back and matched the same unknown male.

 

at that point its fucking clear either a 5th person was involved with the boys.... or someone completely unrelated to them was involved.  and you figure after 30 years where none of the boys every mentioned a 5th person, you have to assume theres another fucking person out there.

 

i guess its impossible to do what the Golden State Killer investiagation did by using DNA to track down familial lines...  sounds like the Y DNA isnt something that gets uploaded on its own. 

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Gotta find the .38 or it’ll never get solved. The DNA evidence just doesn’t exist. 

Want to impress me with a police interrogation? Have them confess how they got and where they stashed the .38?
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On 8/25/2025 at 2:45 AM, CurlyDumps said:

Fuck the 4 judges who voted against Scott and Springsteen and nearly kept them in prison.  The state probably would have proudly and gleefully executed them, too.

Wouldn’t have been the first time. 

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2 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:


Want to impress me with a police interrogation? Have them confess how they got and where they stashed the .38?

Yeah, if they ever find the gun it’s going to be after somebody dies and the family is going through the deceased’s belongings. My point was ballistics is their only hope at physical evidence.
 

I don’t think it gets solved in my lifetime.

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On 8/25/2025 at 8:31 PM, AUS-97HORN said:

The first cold case detective is dead fucking set on trying to prove he solved the case.  like his entire lifes work is invalidated if it turns out his investigation was flawed,

 

Ive never seen a cop try so hard to explain away DNA evidence.   I understand the original first thought of "contamination", but its been 25 fucking years since he thought he solved the case, 15 years since the DNA evidence showed another person.... and now we find out that the APD cold case squad has at least 3 different samples that all came back and matched the same unknown male.

 

at that point its fucking clear either a 5th person was involved with the boys.... or someone completely unrelated to them was involved.  and you figure after 30 years where none of the boys every mentioned a 5th person, you have to assume theres another fucking person out there.

 

i guess its impossible to do what the Golden State Killer investiagation did by using DNA to track down familial lines...  sounds like the Y DNA isnt something that gets uploaded on its own. 

And there's no fucking way those idiots could have kept quiet about a 5th person. 

I also felt bad for the brother having to sit there with his kooky wife and the crime solvers club or whatever. No way I could have sat through that shit. 

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On 8/25/2025 at 10:16 AM, South Austin said:

Yeah, I commented about The Heights kidnappings/murders on another thread a while ago. I think that’s way more haunting and fucked up than The Yogurt Shop Murders. It’s also another commentary on incompetent law enforcement, as Houston PD seemed to have largely written off the disappearances as runaways and never did much of any real investigation.

It's truly fucking frustrating how this exact thing combined with cross agency/jurisdiction issues allowed so many killers to continue for so much longer. I'm also extremely confident it's lead to a lot we will never know about go undiscovered.

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It’s convenient that APD happens to link the murders to a guy who’s been dead for 26 years just weeks after the documentary showing their incompetence. Looking at the guy’s Wikipedia he was never west of Missouri until the DNA linked him to Austin. At the time of the murders, he was hopping between SC, TN, and GA.

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29 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It’s convenient that APD happens to link the murders to a guy who’s been dead for 26 years just weeks after the documentary showing their incompetence. Looking at the guy’s Wikipedia he was never west of Missouri until the DNA linked him to Austin. At the time of the murders, he was hopping between SC, TN, and GA.

They can't exactly fake the DNA sample they submitted though (from the swab from the victim), nor can they fake the resulting hits in CODIS or the commercial services.  CODIS is not something to be fucked with and has pretty strict controls - I've had friends in the genealogy community who do some of the genetic genealogy work that gets mentioned (not this case, but others) who have worked with this stuff. Even in a case where it's a partial match (i.e. a distant relative), the genealogists involved are going to drill down to get to whoever it is so that by the time it hits a courtroom or is closed, they have a match.

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They can't exactly fake the DNA sample they submitted though (from the swab from the victim), nor can they fake the resulting hits in CODIS or the commercial services.  CODIS is not something to be fucked with and has pretty strict controls - I've had friends in the genealogy community who do some of the genetic genealogy work that gets mentioned (not this case, but others) who have worked with this stuff. Even in a case where it's a partial match (i.e. a distant relative), the genealogists involved are going to drill down to get to whoever it is so that by the time it hits a courtroom or is closed, they have a match.

Nevermind. Looks like a bullet casing matches his suicide gun.
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13 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I think you’re asking the right questions though. How did this guy end up in Austin? 

It’s a 10-hour drive from Memphis.  He does something in Tennessee and then drives west for a day?

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It’s convenient that APD happens to link the murders to a guy who’s been dead for 26 years just weeks after the documentary showing their incompetence. Looking at the guy’s Wikipedia he was never west of Missouri until the DNA linked him to Austin. At the time of the murders, he was hopping between SC, TN, and GA.

It’s quite inconvenient. APD helped two innocent dudes rot in prison on death row.

Two of the most high profile murderers in Austin history (also Servant girl murders) lead to multiple innocent people get jailed and the murderers never brought to justice except after they died.
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I wouldn't be spiking the football just yet. Let's wait for more details to come out (maybe tomorrow).  Below I'll post some of my old posts from the other thread. They've never had a complete DNA profile of the perp (or perps) and this is not the first time they've claimed a "match."  They claimed to find a match from a random FBI database years ago, that turned out to be bullshit (see below). The ballistics match is intriguing, but the "science" behind ballistics matching is shaky, at best.  It's not fingerprints or DNA.  I would like to see some definitive corroborating evidence he was in Austin at the time.  I'd also like to know how definitive the "DNA" match is (i.e., the likelihood that others would share the same DNA.  

Also, the idea this is a CODIS hit seems bizarre to me because this dude would have been in CODIS a long time ago.  

 

On 12/7/2021 at 2:18 PM, bschoolprof said:

The DNA profile they have is only a partial profile using paternal lines. It can produce thousands of false positives, but it helps narrow the search. The downside is it can lead to privacy concerns and innocent people being falsely accused and irreparably harmed.  As an example, read about the Angie Dodge case in Idaho.  A true travesty that was bungled by police but finally solved within the last couple of years.  In that case, a guy from New Orleans was identified publicly as the killer/chief suspect, based on paternal DNA matches (like the one here) but it turned out to be a false positive. Oops, sorry bud. In that case, his Dad gave the sample to an ancestry website, but never signed anything that prevented law enforcement from looking at it.  The data was then sold to Ancestry.com, which allowed police to search it.  

Unlike that case, the FBI collected this sample in unknown ways for academic/forensic research purposes, but promised the donors anonymity.  They are reluctant to break that promise/agreement, and I do think they have a point (legally or otherwise).  You can read more about the issue here.

 

On 2/6/2022 at 2:30 PM, bschoolprof said:

The quality of the DNA evidence in this case and the extent to which there was ever a "match" to anyone  has been greatly exaggerated in the media. As explained in the latest 48 hours episode, they had 16 (now 25) markers of Y-STR DNA, which is handed down via the paternal line.  This is very low. Forensic genealogists usually work with over a 100 markers. This evidence is great for exclusion; if you don't match to these 16 (or 25), it's not your DNA nor is it anyone else's in the paternal line.  That's why the original guys that were convicted have been excluded.  But if you match with these 16, that doesn't mean much - millions of people in the US will have these same markers. In fact, when APD recently extracted the additional 9 markers through advancements in technology, it was found that 5 of the 9 didn't match the supposed "hit" in the US STR database submitted by the FBI (you can read an excerpt from the FBI letter below).  Thus, this "match" has now been excluded, in the same way as the originally wrongfully-convicted guys were.  Bottom line: I'm not sure there's enough DNA (at least right now) to be much use in this case in terms of finding the needle in haystack.  

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1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

Two of the most high profile murderers in Austin history (also Servant girl murders)

I still think they should investigate the only person who was in Austin when all those killings occurred. 

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1 hour ago, bschoolprof said:

They've never had a complete DNA profile of the perp (or perps) and this is not the first time they've claimed a "match."  They claimed to find a match from a random FBI database years ago, that turned out to be bullshit (see below). The ballistics match is intriguing, but the "science" behind ballistics matching is shaky, at best.  It's not fingerprints or DNA.  I would like to see some definitive corroborating evidence he was in Austin at the time.  I'd also like to know how definitive the "DNA" match is (i.e., the likelihood that others would share the same DNA.  

Also, the idea this is a CODIS hit seems bizarre to me because this dude would have been in CODIS a long time ago.  

 

 

 

all of this.  but give me the ballistics comparison on the .380 and I'm gonna be pretty good.

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2 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:


It’s quite inconvenient. APD helped two innocent dudes rot in prison on death row.

Two of the most high profile murderers in Austin history (also Servant girl murders) lead to multiple innocent people get jailed and the murderers never brought to justice except after they died.

actually it is convenient.  no one will care anymore once the killer is ID.  all discussion about the killer, the murders, the wrongly jailed, etc will stop in about a month because the dude who did it is dead.

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actually it is convenient.  no one will care anymore once the killer is ID.  all discussion about the killer, the murders, the wrongly jailed, etc will stop in about a month because the dude who did it is dead.

Im not sure I agree here. The Yogurt shop case was largely forgotten for years before this doc. And the doc itself was largely a glorified Dateline.

The cops and family members will have to fight thru some cognitive dissonance as they realize the men they demonized and almost had murdered were innocent all along.
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Just now, Eskimohorn said:


Im not sure I agree here. The Yogurt shop case was largely forgotten for years before this doc. And the doc itself was largely a glorified Dateline.

The cops and family members will have to fight thru some cognitive dissonance as they realize the men they demonized and almost had murdered were innocent all along.

OK but it was still an "open case" and IMO the public at large isn't going to care anymore which means there will be no more docs and the police will be glad that there will be no more discussion about the false confessions and putting innocent guys on death row.  now it will be a "closed case" just like when they finally ID'd the guy who did the Pizza Hut/Guadalupe murder.

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3 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

Two of the most high profile murderers in Austin history (also Servant girl murders) lead to multiple innocent people get jailed and the murderers never brought to justice except after they died.

With the Servant Girl Annihilator, you had America’s first serial killer and in hindsight it was clearly an active (local) serial killer when you looked at all of the victims. Yogurt Shop still felt possibly like a robbery or rape that turned into a murder/shitty attempt at covering up evidence.

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