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someone that's going to kill another person isn't going to try and get a gun legally that can be traced to him and he will have no problem getting one illegally just like anyone can easily get any illegal drug. My attempt at sarcasm didn't go over well, If the US could do a reasonably good job at keeping guns away from criminals I would be fine with banning guns but our experience with drugs is criminals have no problem getting endless amounts of illegal drugs and it would be the same for guns.

Now do Uvalde.
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6 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Debasing myself? I'm just saying we don't know what the shooter's motive was. It is never as simple as the hot take political commentary. The attempted assassination of Trump wasn't (crazy guy who appears to have flipped a coin between Biden and Trump). The actual assassination of democratic politicians (crazy guy who had some strong right wing beliefs, but mostly his stated reasons made no sense) wasn't. And I'm guessing this one will not be either.

Pretty much agree, as I posted above. We saw a similar movie across much of the 1970s and into the early 80s. We’ve kind of memory holed two assassination attempts on Ford. 
 
Not political violence in the sense of targeting Franz Ferdinand, with a clear aim and rationale.  Pre-existing disturbance turbocharged into derangement by political rhetoric of existential threat and struggle. 

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7 hours ago, elfenix said:

there's 40% of the country whose brains are so broken they are not-so-silently celebrating this because they think it will help usher in the fascist rule they want. that same 40% are chastising everyone else pointing out this is exactly the country charlie advocated for. because, again, he thought it would usher in the fascist rule he wanted.

 

i won't name exactly who that might be on this board but you can read the DT thread and see who is negging what and get a good idea.

Yep.

4 hours ago, scottsins said:


Now do Uvalde.

They won't because it doesn't fit into their shitty world view. 

8 hours ago, Mileslong said:

MAGA morons all stirred up.

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It's always MAGA calling for violence and Dems calling for reconciliation and cooler heads. It's almost like all these people that claim to be Christian completely forget all the teachings of Jesus. Can we just send all these cunts to Florida and Bugs Bunny it?

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5 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Watch it just be some nut. Those TV idiots don't know shit about fuck.

They really don’t, least of all Jesse fucking Waters or anyone he’d have on his chickenshit little program 

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16 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

They really don’t, least of all Jesse fucking Waters or anyone he’d have on his chickenshit little program 

His job isn’t to know and report actual facts.; it’s to flood the zone with speculation and rage bait so the truth becomes whatever they want it to be 

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Charlie Kirk wasn’t assassinated. That asshole got shot. 

My thoughts too.

Im not trying to be a dick but ‘assassinated’ is for main characters.

He was a bit player, support staff, C level political actor.

It was a ‘politically motivated killing’ at most.

The public is conflating the distance, roof top, rifle and MEANS of the killing blur what makes an assassination and assassination. You have to have stature and influence. 
He had a podcast.

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4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I had to look at /r/conspiracy

  • Israel/Mossad did it because he had criticized them/was in danger of turning many on the right against Israel.
  • It was a distraction from the Epstein stuff - the birthday card was the final straw
  • The old man the police dragged away was a diversion to help the shooter escape.
  • Planes flying out of Provo with transponders turned off.

Thank you /r/conspiracy, never change.

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Does that sound like a bunch of coincidences to you, Mr. Garrison? Not for one moment. The Cabinet was out of the country to get the perceptions out of the way. Troops were in the air for possible riot control. The telephones didn't work to keep the wrong stories from spreading if anything went wrong with the plan. Nothing was left to chance.

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3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

The comparisons to MLK are disgusting and right on par for maga and the right.

If anything, Kirk is like the Fred Hampton, maybe a Malcom X of the radical right. That’s probably a more apt comparison. 

Fred and Malcolm weren’t internet trolls

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32 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

But damn do I sure wish your half of the country would get this upset about school shootings.

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A thousand times over this is how I’m feeling. Kids getting slaughtered at schools with guns on the reg no big deal… one measly conservative podcaster catches a bullet and everyone with an R next to their name freaks out…

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14 minutes ago, Pancho said:

If anything, Kirk is like the Fred Hampton, maybe a Malcom X of the radical right. That’s probably a more apt comparison.

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Far be it for me as a white guy to tell the black guy he's wrong, but...

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Just now, GreenspointTexas said:

My FB feed is full of dumb motherfuckers that had no clue what Charlie Kirk stood for

In the DT thread, someone finally brought together a list of Kirk's greatest hits of hate. Share some of those hits if you care to burn bridges of FB - but it's ridiculous to see this seditionist that funded groups that attacked democracy on Jan6 treated as a national hero 

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First time in this cloak room place. This is sad place.

After going through this thread, and weighing points made here, then going back to other threads. This is a dark place. It's not our political climate but our relationships with our fellow man. It's utterly disgusting the way we treat each other. This blaming and baiting and finger pointing is beyond childish. Laughing at death. It's beyond immature. It's vial and hateful.  It's disgusting. I would hope there are no official UT grads here. 

We all just want to be right and no one wants to be human. 

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I'll just continue to go find the human race again

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I am so enjoying these MAGA pussies and all their shock and horror that someone was killed - meanwhile, all they want to do is kill gays, truth, thinking, fucking, women, etc.

 

if you MAGA, you GAY.  

 

new slogan.  get fucked charlie kirk.

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they keep posting about what an exemplary christian he was, and how he showed the world how to sit down and talk out your differences with those that you disagree with with.

not only was he a bad faith debater who majored in “refusing to answer straightforward questions” from the Jordan Peterson School of Spineless Debate, but everything this asshole espoused was the opposite of the teachings of jesus christ. if this racist, fascist, misogynistic mutant represents “exemplary christianity” then we need to go ahead and label the christian church a far right wing extremist hate group and get to work on cleaning the streets of this gang of dangerous seditionists, white supremacists, and pedophiles. 

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17 minutes ago, Frank Hammer said:

First time in this cloak room place. This is sad place.

After going through this thread, and weighing points made here, then going back to other threads. This is a dark place. It's not our political climate but our relationships with our fellow man. It's utterly disgusting the way we treat each other. This blaming and baiting and finger pointing is beyond childish. Laughing at death. It's beyond immature. It's vial and hateful.  It's disgusting. I would hope there are no official UT grads here. 

We all just want to be right and no one wants to be human. 

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I'll just continue to go find the human race again

go preach this to all of your like minded right wing friends and family who’ve never given a single fuck about political violence or “how we treat our fellow man” one day in their lives. change starts at home. go give this lecture to the people who need it.

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8 minutes ago, Frank Hammer said:

First time in this cloak room place. This is sad place.

After going through this thread, and weighing points made here, then going back to other threads. This is a dark place. It's not our political climate but our relationships with our fellow man. It's utterly disgusting the way we treat each other. This blaming and baiting and finger pointing is beyond childish. Laughing at death. It's beyond immature. It's vial and hateful.  It's disgusting. I would hope there are no official UT grads here. 

We all just want to be right and no one wants to be human. 

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I'll just continue to go find the human race again

Good luck out there.

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1 hour ago, John80 said:

An innocent man was killed and all the shitlib jock sniffers are celebrating. Go fuck yourself.

Oh are we doing this bullshit now? Look I am not saying nobody on the Internet is acting like a sociopath but insisting a significant percentage is celebrating is bullshit. There is nothing good about this.

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37 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:


I think grouping everyone you disagree with politically in with the small faction that is openly celebrating is the type of rhetoric that got us here.

11 scumbags downvoted my comment and you think it's only a few people. All these vermin need to crawl back into their hole.

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40 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:


I think grouping everyone you disagree with politically in with the small faction that is openly celebrating is the type of rhetoric that got us here.


And this is Kirk and MAGA’s and Trump’s total misstep with their all out power grab in addition to their complete dehumanization of their opposition.

When the opposition feels totally powerless and hopeless  and their leadership is ineffectual, they revert to violence.

When Trump can crime with no consequence, masked men round up people and send them to Sudan, and political aligned folks are pardoned, the fatalism and cynicism it takes to murder political opposition can be achieved pretty easily 

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4 minutes ago, Frank Hammer said:

First time in this cloak room place. This is sad place.

After going through this thread, and weighing points made here, then going back to other threads. This is a dark place. It's not our political climate but our relationships with our fellow man. It's utterly disgusting the way we treat each other. This blaming and baiting and finger pointing is beyond childish. Laughing at death. It's beyond immature. It's vial and hateful.  It's disgusting. I would hope there are no official UT grads here. 

We all just want to be right and no one wants to be human. 

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I'll just continue to go find the human race again

While you've had your head buried in the sand, people have been screaming from the rooftops for a decade about the danger this country and its citizens are facing. Half of our fellow men have bent the knee to an authoritarian. So go "find the human race again", aka pretend that these fascists aren't systematically destroying America, tearing us apart, and burning everything to the ground. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Frank Hammer said:

First time in this cloak room place. This is sad place.

After going through this thread, and weighing points made here, then going back to other threads. This is a dark place. It's not our political climate but our relationships with our fellow man. It's utterly disgusting the way we treat each other. This blaming and baiting and finger pointing is beyond childish. Laughing at death. It's beyond immature. It's vial and hateful.  It's disgusting. I would hope there are no official UT grads here. 

We all just want to be right and no one wants to be human. 

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I'll just continue to go find the human race again

Well this is a sad time. I certainly hope I am not treating my fellow man badly. I just want a place to talk about these things.

Good luck out there. Where is this place where everybody is kind to each other?

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1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Yeah, it's not a good look. 

i mean, this is basically like saying that it’s not a good look when the small, quiet kid who’s been picked on and bullied all year finally snaps and body slams his tormentor in front of all of the bully’s friends. like yeah, violence isn’t really a good look in a vacuum, but maybe if the bully and his friends hadn’t gone out of their way so often to be giant pieces of shit to the weak and defenseless then the fat, dumb bully wouldn’t haven gotten body slammed onto the pavement. there’s a reason that so many normally compassionate people don’t give a shit about charlie kirk dying. especially on the same day as *another* school shooting, which as we all know is a necessary, “prudent” part of charlie kirk’s ideal america. yeah; fuck that guy.

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1 hour ago, John80 said:

An innocent man was killed and all the shitlib jock sniffers are celebrating. Go fuck yourself.

I’m not celebrating his death. If he truly is a Christian he is with Jesus right now and if so, I believe he is having to give an account for his actions on earth. 

I feel terrible for his wife and daughters. No one should have their family ripped apart by gun violence. I will note that the vast majority of Americans want reasonable laws passed to lessen the likelihood of that happening to more families. And he vehemently advocated against that in his life.

No reasonable person thinks we can take that number to zero, but that is not an argument for doing nothing. According to his own words Kirk believed an absolute right to the 2nd amendment is so important that the deaths of thousands of children are acceptable to protect it.

He spent his life sowing hate towards marginalized people; people who are my friends and family members, my patients, and my (and his) brothers and sisters in Christ, so no I do not mourn him.  

But because  I am called to love him I am struggling mightily right now. My eldest daughter, who is one of the strongest and most faithful Christians I know, told me last night she is questioning her faith because of all her friends who are posting about what a tragedy this is when they never had a word to say about Uvalde; or El Paso; or the Pulse nightclub; or any of the church/mosque/synegogue shootings; or the MN assassinations or school shootings. Or even the CO school shootings from yesterday. And who attacked her for saying why she does not mourn him. Note she didn’t respond to their posts expressing their grief but felt compelled to post replies to her on her timeline 

She has never said anything about questioning her faith to me and she has gone through some very trying times. And I don’t have anything to say to her that doesn’t feel hollow and trite.  And that breaks my heart 

I will leave you with a quote from Charlie Kirk, which I can only assume shows us how he would want us to feel about his death, unless his whole professional life was a work:

 

“I can’t stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics.”

“I can’t stand th empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics.”

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Frank Hammer said:

First time in this cloak room place. This is sad place.

After going through this thread, and weighing points made here, then going back to other threads. This is a dark place. It's not our political climate but our relationships with our fellow man. It's utterly disgusting the way we treat each other. This blaming and baiting and finger pointing is beyond childish. Laughing at death. It's beyond immature. It's vial and hateful.  It's disgusting. I would hope there are no official UT grads here. 

We all just want to be right and no one wants to be human. 

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I'll just continue to go find the human race again

Thoughts and prayers

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23 minutes ago, Frank Hammer said:

First time in this cloak room place. This is sad place.

After going through this thread, and weighing points made here, then going back to other threads. This is a dark place. It's not our political climate but our relationships with our fellow man. It's utterly disgusting the way we treat each other. This blaming and baiting and finger pointing is beyond childish. Laughing at death. It's beyond immature. It's vial and hateful.  It's disgusting. I would hope there are no official UT grads here. 

We all just want to be right and no one wants to be human. 

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I'll just continue to go find the human race again

The nuance that you’re failing to grasp is that none of us like that he was murdered but are having a hard time being sad for one of the individuals most responsible for your complaints above. It sucks that this happened generally, it sucks that this is where we are, it sucks that the people who fall for this stuff again and again are falling for it once more with the revisionist history of who he was and what he stood for, and even if someone does the sowing it’s a shame when they reap something like this. It would be morally and intellectually inconsistent for people who share your sentiments above to not recognize Kirk’s role in getting us here as we talk about what his death means.

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3 minutes ago, John80 said:

11 scumbags downvoted my comment and you think it's only a few people. All these vermin need to crawl back into their hole.

you crawled in here with us, you are free to leave any time.

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2 minutes ago, John80 said:

11 scumbags downvoted my comment and you think it's only a few people. All these vermin need to crawl back into their hole.

Well you distorted what they were doing and told them to go fuck themselves. Was that intended to be a diplomatic statement designed to generate thoughtful discussion?

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20 minutes ago, Captainant said:

In the DT thread, someone finally brought together a list of Kirk's greatest hits of hate. Share some of those hits if you care to burn bridges of FB - but it's ridiculous to see this seditionist that funded groups that attacked democracy on Jan6 treated as a national hero 


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3 minutes ago, John80 said:

11 scumbags downvoted my comment and you think it's only a few people. All these vermin need to crawl back into their hole.

I was downvoting it because it was a stupid comment, not because I think it’s good that he was murdered.

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1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

If he truly is a Christian he is with Jesus right now

 not if hell is real. and i‘m mot joking. 

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4 minutes ago, John80 said:

11 scumbags downvoted my comment and you think it's only a few people. All these vermin need to crawl back into their hole.

To be fair, that’s probably because your post sucked.  Doesn’t mean they are celebrating the shooting (or whatever alternative conclusion you concoct in your mind.)

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16 minutes ago, Frank Hammer said:

First time in this cloak room place. This is sad place.

After going through this thread, and weighing points made here, then going back to other threads. This is a dark place. It's not our political climate but our relationships with our fellow man. It's utterly disgusting the way we treat each other. This blaming and baiting and finger pointing is beyond childish. Laughing at death. It's beyond immature. It's vial and hateful.  It's disgusting. I would hope there are no official UT grads here. 

We all just want to be right and no one wants to be human. 

Awkward The Simpsons GIF

 

I'll just continue to go find the human race again

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