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43 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, not sure about his police work there.  Teddy Roosevelt, who ordinarily would have been a robber barons of sorts.  Maybe JP Morgan, for helping out with the panic of 1907.

But Rockefeller, Carnegie, and so on didn't do shit.

Yeah not them. Here’s a ChatGPT summary. I would also include people like James Audubon, Frederick Law Olmsted Jr, and George Bird Grinnell.  They were all super wealthy elites that decided they would use their status and power to help society at large.  We are light years from this now, save a couple of people like maybe Bill Gates  

 

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Here are some of the key aristocrats and patrician figures who aligned with Roosevelt’s reform project:

 

 

 

 

Political Allies & Reform Aristocrats

 

 

  • Henry Cabot Lodge (1850–1924)
    A Boston Brahmin senator, close friend and political mentor to Roosevelt. Lodge helped Roosevelt climb politically and supported parts of his reform agenda, though they sometimes clashed on foreign policy.
  • Elihu Root (1845–1937)
    Distinguished Wall Street lawyer, later Secretary of War and Secretary of State under Roosevelt. Root modernized the army and helped build the regulatory framework of Roosevelt’s foreign policy.
  • George F. Hoar (1826–1904)
    Massachusetts senator from an old New England family. Though a classical liberal in many ways, he supported civil service reform and fought corruption.

 

 

 

 

 

Patrician Financiers Who Shifted Toward Reform

 

 

  • J.P. Morgan (1837–1913)
    The archetypal Gilded Age financier. Though Roosevelt famously sued his Northern Securities trust, Morgan also worked with Roosevelt behind the scenes during the Panic of 1907 to stabilize the economy — showing that old elite capitalists could coexist with reform.
  • August Belmont Jr. (1853–1924)
    Scion of the wealthy Belmont family, initially aligned with Wall Street Democrats but increasingly supported infrastructure reform and modernization efforts, including New York subways.

 

 

 

 

 

Social Reform Aristocrats

 

 

  • Jane Addams (1860–1935) – not aristocracy in the European sense, but from a wealthy Illinois family. Addams’ Hull House made her the matriarch of Progressive social reform. Roosevelt admired her work (though they disagreed on suffrage and pacifism).
  • Henry Stimson (1867–1950)
    Another patrician reformer, later Roosevelt’s U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. He made his name fighting corruption and would become a Republican statesman for decades.
  • Gifford Pinchot (1865–1946)
    From a wealthy Pennsylvania family, Pinchot became Roosevelt’s chief forester. His patrician background gave legitimacy to the new conservation movement among elites.

 

 

 

 

 

Elite Clubs & Movements

 

 

  • The “Mugwumps” (elite reform Republicans of the 1880s–90s) laid the groundwork for Roosevelt’s style of anti-corruption politics.
  • The National Civil Service Reform League (backed by Boston Brahmins and New York patricians) created the ethos of merit-based bureaucracy that Roosevelt expanded.

 

 

 

 

In sum: Roosevelt didn’t end the Gilded Age alone — he was the figurehead of a patrician-reformist coalition. Boston Brahmins (Lodge, Hoar), Wall Street reformist lawyers (Root, Stimson), wealthy social reformers (Addams, Pinchot), and even parts of the financial elite (like Morgan, reluctantly) formed the patrician backbone of the Progressive Era.

 

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Canceling subscriptions is a nice gesture, but the companies and private equities we hate won't feel any real pain unless democrats start moving their investments and savings overseas or into crypto

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1 hour ago, cmontexas said:

They need libs to own to feed the machine. Without it the engagement will drop and so will the profit 

What planet have you been living on? 90% or more of their rage is about completely fabricated things that liberals supposedly say, do, or believe. 

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5 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

What planet have you been living on? 90% or more of their rage is about completely fabricated things that liberals supposedly say, do, or believe. 

In a world where fake information is as valuable as truth, we have lost the information war.

We have lost the US military.

The loudest voices of dissent will be rounded up and slienced. Stripped of not just life but resources and a vote which we will need someday. When? I have no idea. NATO aint walking through that door, not until after a few bogus elections and uningnorable human atrocities. So buckle up.

Sleeper cell is the best play

 

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8 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

In a world where fake information is as valuable as truth, we have lost the information war.

We have lost the US military.

The loudest voices of dissent will be rounded up and slienced. Stripped of not just life but resources and a vote which we will need someday. When? I have no idea. NATO aint walking through that door, not until after a few bogus elections and uningnorable human atrocities. So buckle up.

Sleeper cell is the best play

 

Fascism has never been defeated by ceding the public square to it. It requires public challenges that, yes, may unfortunately lead to bad things happening to good people. But slinking back into the dark just guarantees that your children are either involved in a bloody war or live their entire lives under the thumb. 

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8 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

If you plan to lead an insurgency, and the people hate you, it's not likely to go well. Unless your plan is to establish a dictatorship.

Oh man you're so close.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Fascism has never been defeated by ceding the public square to it. It requires public challenges that, yes, may unfortunately lead to bad things happening to good people. But slinking back into the dark just guarantees that your children are either involved in a bloody war or live their entire lives under the thumb. 

Can you point me towards one instance in history of Fascism being defeated by domestic public challenges without significant foreign support? 

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12 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

Can you point me towards one instance in history of Fascism being defeated by domestic public challenges without significant foreign support? 

Does any old reich-wing dictatorship count?

Spain made the transition to democracy, but the general had to die first. Outside pressure didn't overturn his regime, though, which goes to your point.

Maybe South Korea in the 1980s or Chile after Pinochet?

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10 hours ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Organized resistance is like planting a tree. The best time to plant it was 30/20/10 years ago. The next best time is today. I’m heartened that flickers of recognition are spreading, even if I don’t yet have the shade to enjoy.

 

This! The time is now. How will you/we mark our timeline? Small actions can make huge impacts.

 

"Let's roll"

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16 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

Can you point me towards one instance in history of Fascism being defeated by domestic public challenges without significant foreign support? 

Can you point me toward an instance in history where large amounts of foreign support came to a domestic populace that had slinked back into the dark? No, that comes with the bloody war option I mentioned. 

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12 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Can you point me toward an instance in history where large amounts of foreign support came to a domestic populace that had slinked back into the dark? No, that comes with the bloody war option I mentioned. 

What does "bloody war" look like from a pragmatic standpoint? Domestic terrorism or martyrdom?

The texas hammer guy is a dumb asshole but he does have a point about that. You can just as easily do more harm than good to the cause when the propaganda machine gets ahold of political violence 

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26 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Does any old reich-wing dictatorship count?

Spain made the transition to democracy, but the general had to die first. Outside pressure didn't overturn his regime, though, which goes to your point.

Maybe South Korea in the 1980s or Chile after Pinochet?

I thought about Spain when I made the post, but much of my knowledge of this period of Spanish history comes from resding For Whom the Bell Tolls, so I considered the greatest American novelist of all time joining their side and writing about it and marked them in the foreign support category. But you are right it wasnt for several generations that Fascism finally ended

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What about the bribes UAE paid in crypto to Trump for access to AI chips? I assume there is nothing that can be done legally about it, and I guess the public doesn’t care?

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45 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

What about the bribes UAE paid in crypto to Trump for access to AI chips? I assume there is nothing that can be done legally about it, and I guess the public doesn’t care?

That’s a good example of the failure of imagination on the part of MAGA opposition and why Biden and Garland should be forever asterisked in the history books with “oh, by the way, they failed the republic”.  
 

it doesn’t matter if it’s legal.  If you have power and you think it’s wrong you make it illegal.  It’s the current playbook and we should have been using it to avoid this truly avoidable four years.  

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8 hours ago, cmontexas said:

I thought about Spain when I made the post, but much of my knowledge of this period of Spanish history comes from resding For Whom the Bell Tolls, so I considered the greatest American novelist of all time joining their side and writing about it and marked them in the foreign support category. But you are right it wasnt for several generations that Fascism finally ended

Office Space No GIF

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Posted
8 hours ago, cmontexas said:

I thought about Spain when I made the post, but much of my knowledge of this period of Spanish history comes from resding For Whom the Bell Tolls

Metallica cover was better.

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9 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Fascism has never been defeated by ceding the public square to it. It requires public challenges that, yes, may unfortunately lead to bad things happening to good people. But slinking back into the dark just guarantees that your children are either involved in a bloody war or live their entire lives under the thumb. 

We have 2 choices unless you decide to just join the MAGA to protect your interests and family. That could be your most rational choice depending on your situation. 

1.) Fight and likely get rounded up, canceled, silenced, imprisoned, and possibly un-alive.

2.)Don’t fight and assuredly get rounded up, canceled, silenced, imprisoned, and likely un-alived. 



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