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11 hours ago, Zonahorn said:

The electorate has changed, the electorate would currently give Democrats a senate majority, and its going to get bluer every day with Trump and MAGA in office. Donald Trump rebounded the first time around because the electorate liked his economy, they couldn't stand the man or his administration, this time everybody still can't stand him and his economy is dog shit. The economy isn't going to get any better next year.

They're gonna cheat in '26 -- if we have mid-terms at all. These are evil people who will not willingly cede power.

 

11 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


Damn….you musta bruised your dick from jerking it that hard.
Jesus.

Maybe he's gooning. /shudder

 

9 hours ago, Blotto said:

well if you feel strongly about it, you can win better than 2 to 1 odds on your money from all the major prediction markets as the GOP is a strong favorite to win the Senate. Interestingly the Dems are favored by about the same amount to win the House. 

This is probably the best we can hope for -- re-take the House majority but still have small deficit in Senate. At that point, maybe you can obfuscate Trump 2.0 enough to get to the '28 POTUS election. 

 

2 hours ago, BillyBadAss said:

I understand morally why some Dems might want to extend ACA subsidies, I don't understand politically why they'd want to (right now). I really don't understand why they'd want to extend them only 1 year - which would stave off the pain of increased premiums until post midterms. 

The Dems seemed to stumble into a good outcome - they shined a bright light on the fact that Rs are refusing to extend subsidies, without getting the subsidies extended.

This seems like a good political outcome ahead of the midterms when people who have freshly lost their insurance or been forced to pay out the ass for it are headed to the polls remembering Rs allowed the govt to be shut down rather than help. 

 

What an I missing?

I hope there's some truth in this but it will require the proper messaging, which the Dems cannot do. Schumer is fucking neutered.

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1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

You're not missing anything.  The Senate Democrats played this to maximum cynicism.  And as a cynic myself, I appreciate it.

Plenty of Democratic voters and unrealistic expectations about what was achievable in this shutdown.  But realistically, very little was achievable through this (or really any) shutdown.  That should've been clear once it became evident that Republicans would starve Americans and crash the air-transit system.  Once that happened, it just became a game of maximizing blame on Trump and the GQP.

Is there a possible universe in which the Republicans cave and extend the ACA subsidies?  I mean, maybe.  Probably not.  But maybe.  But in that universe, it works to the GQP's electoral benefit.

And while there are plenty of us who would be happy to see the shutdown continue through the 2026 midterms . . . that wasn't realistic.  The political impact of that would've been highly unpredictable.  Right now, Trump is getting the blame.  But he has a larger microphone and a lot of corporate media at his back.  The narrative could've quickly swung.

So the Dems took their fairly modest winnings and went home.  I understand that move.  I don't particularly love it.  Maybe I kind of hate it.  But I definitely understand it.

I appreciate you trying to apply logic and reason.   The failure of the Democratic Party thinking is that they can use the Republican votes against funding the ACA as a wedge issue in the next round of elections, as if people will remember who voted for what.  How many times have we seen Republican politicians take credit for things they voted against, and barely any political pushback is observed or media attention is given?   Too many to count.  

An indefinite shutdown which would harm big business, would create the political pressure that Republicans would not be able to ignore.  They jerked themselves off at the thought of starving families and uneducated children, and climaxed on special education being destroyed.  But they cower in fear of their base losing share value.  

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8 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I don't believe the hemp / CBD issue moves the needle near as much as the dopers think it does.

Hemp issue is massive beyond dopers. 

24 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

We should thank him. The optics that were blurred by the eight Democratic Senators folding just regained a bit of focus - the GOP is still taking away your healthcare.

And the senile man baby says he’s gonna give everyone money and they can pay for their healthcare with that because we don’t need insurance companies.    (Cletus, somewhere: “Dang, I’m purty healthy since I’ve been eaten the horse paste, so I’m gonna buy a bigger boat for the Trump parade!”)

The problem is that it was amplifying they were taking away healthcare with other obviously bad things they wanted as well. Now it's just back to the vacuum with no one paying attention. 

2 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I appreciate you trying to apply logic and reason.   The failure of the Democratic Party thinking is that they can use the Republican votes against funding the ACA as a wedge issue in the next round of elections, as if people will remember who voted for what.  How many times have we seen Republican politicians take credit for things they voted against, and barely any political pushback is observed or media attention is given?   Too many to count.  

An indefinite shutdown which would harm big business, would create the political pressure that Republicans would not be able to ignore.  They jerked themselves off at the thought of starving families and uneducated children, and climaxed on special education being destroyed.  But they cower in fear of their base losing share value.  

Yes. This.

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For the folks that think the Dems blundered this, what outcome did you want to see it as a success? 

In my eyes, if the Rs acquiesced and extended the subsidies, ultimately that would have helped the Rs, not the Dems. The Trump voters aren't getting the same info you and I are, they need to touch the stove and see the dysfunction affect them personally to be swayed. 

 So what was the desired outcome? 

Extend the shutdown longer to extract maximum pain to make the Rs look even less able to govern? I can see that I guess - but at the risk that it backfires or doesn't really change the opinions of the average low info Trump voter. 

Force the Rs to nuke to fillibuster? What good does that do the Dems? (asking honestly).  Can't they just nuke it next time they are in control if they want it out of the way? 

What? 

 

 

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Just now, BillyBadAss said:

Extend the shutdown longer to extract maximum pain to make the Rs look even less able to govern? I can see that I guess - but at the risk that it backfires or doesn't really change the opinions of the average low info Trump voter. 

Force the Rs to nuke to fillibuster? What good does that do the Dems? (asking honestly). 

 

Both of these would have been positive

 

Just now, BillyBadAss said:

Can't they just nuke it next time they are in control if they want it out of the way? 

 

lol.

Posted
59 minutes ago, immamac said:

More like walk off grand slam while up 3. 

Bases loaded, pitcher drops the ball after engaging the rubber, balk, lose game imo.

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Posted
16 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Poland dumped the veto and a year and a half later got partitioned up. Not that the filibuster is good but just so we know the timeline. 

Poland dumped it long after it was too late so...yeah probably the same situation.

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5 minutes ago, immamac said:

 The problem is that it was amplifying they were taking away healthcare with other obviously bad things they wanted as well. Now it's just back to the vacuum with no one paying attention. 

Honestly, I’ve never seen any data on this, but I unfortunately have this cynical idea that the chuckleheads who don’t pay attention are still not paying attention and have never paid attention.  certainly a few more people followed the ACA standoff every time they mentioned it.

Monthly premiums going up hundreds of dollars will make them pay attention, so I think it will be the bill in the mail instead of the media that will provide the information that matter matters.

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21 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I don't believe the hemp / CBD issue moves the needle near as much as the dopers think it does.

I wonder what this country would be like if all of the drinkers were dopers instead.

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2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

You're not missing anything.  The Senate Democrats played this to maximum cynicism.  And as a cynic myself, I appreciate it.

Plenty of Democratic voters and unrealistic expectations about what was achievable in this shutdown.  But realistically, very little was achievable through this (or really any) shutdown.  That should've been clear once it became evident that Republicans would starve Americans and crash the air-transit system.  Once that happened, it just became a game of maximizing blame on Trump and the GQP.

Is there a possible universe in which the Republicans cave and extend the ACA subsidies?  I mean, maybe.  Probably not.  But maybe.  But in that universe, it works to the GQP's electoral benefit.

And while there are plenty of us who would be happy to see the shutdown continue through the 2026 midterms . . . that wasn't realistic.  The political impact of that would've been highly unpredictable.  Right now, Trump is getting the blame.  But he has a larger microphone and a lot of corporate media at his back.  The narrative could've quickly swung.

So the Dems took their fairly modest winnings and went home.  I understand that move.  I don't particularly love it.  Maybe I kind of hate it.  But I definitely understand it.

My complaint about their behavior in this shut down is almost entirely that they fucked this part of it up. Hell, the easy message right now would be "they threatened to starve people and we weren't willing to let Americans starve" and they can't even consistently say that. Durbin is whining about nobody understands senate procedure, others are talking about how if the GOP doesn't vote for the ACA subsidies at an unspecified later date then people will know the GOP doesn't like the ACA, and King and Fetterman have basically just said "I am personally a pussy." I'd say it's stunning how inept their messaging has been, except it's entirely consistent with what we typically see from elected Democrats over the age of 40.

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3 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Honestly, I’ve never seen any data on this, but I unfortunately have this cynical idea that the chuckleheads who don’t pay attention are still not paying attention and have never paid attention.  certainly a few more people followed the ACA standoff every time they mentioned it.

Monthly premiums going up hundreds of dollars will make them pay attention, so I think it will be the bill in the mail instead of the media that will provide the information that matter matters.

This is my thinking too - they brought attention to the fact that the shutdown was over ACA subsidies. This is all abstract and doesn't really matter to most people. But ACA open enrollment is happening right now (opened Nov 1)  - when people see the new premiums they should make the connection - why is my premium doubling? Oh - isn't that why the government was just shut down - maybe the Dems really did have a good reason, maybe Obamacare was actually helping me, yada yada..  Many of those people receiving subsidies may also receive SNAP - they got a double-dose of what the party many of them voted in thinks of them. 

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19 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

For the folks that think the Dems blundered this, what outcome did you want to see it as a success? 

In my eyes, if the Rs acquiesced and extended the subsidies, ultimately that would have helped the Rs, not the Dems. The Trump voters aren't getting the same info you and I are, they need to touch the stove and see the dysfunction affect them personally to be swayed. 

 So what was the desired outcome? 

Extend the shutdown longer to extract maximum pain to make the Rs look even less able to govern? I can see that I guess - but at the risk that it backfires or doesn't really change the opinions of the average low info Trump voter. 

Force the Rs to nuke to fillibuster? What good does that do the Dems? (asking honestly).  Can't they just nuke it next time they are in control if they want it out of the way? 

What? 

 

 

To cause massive riots in the streets and a wholesale collapse of the government with no one able to ignore the realities that this is caused by a failed government that is completely controlled by a single party at the moment and that party is doing this on purpose. Large scale recall elections, impeachment, crashing of the stock market, enormous market disruption to the point of not being able to function.

You know, stuff that happens in other democracies where the government has failed and the people actually give a shit. 

11 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Honestly, I’ve never seen any data on this, but I unfortunately have this cynical idea that the chuckleheads who don’t pay attention are still not paying attention and have never paid attention.  certainly a few more people followed the ACA standoff every time they mentioned it.

Monthly premiums going up hundreds of dollars will make them pay attention, so I think it will be the bill in the mail instead of the media that will provide the information that matter matters.

It won't. My sister was mad at her employer for her premiums going up. The blame is never ever going to be on the government because people don't understand the governments role in this. 

When the are forced to realize that the government actually is in control of all this stuff, they will maybe care a bit more on who the fuck is running the god damned government 

2 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

This is my thinking too - they brought attention to the fact that the shutdown was over ACA subsidies. This is all abstract and doesn't really matter to most people. But ACA open enrollment is happening right now (opened Nov 1)  - when people see the new premiums they should make the connection - why is my premium doubling? Oh - isn't that why the government was just shut down - maybe the Dems really did have a good reason, maybe Obamacare was actually helping me, yada yada..  Many of those people receiving subsidies may also receive SNAP - they got a double-dose of what the party many of them voted in thinks of them. 

Why would they place blame on the government? Most people don't know about the shutdown. 

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Posted
17 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It's okay.  We've just created a system where those people (1) wait till they get REALLY sick, and then show up at our local ER for treatment, (2) the ER can't turn them away (that seems like a pretty sane policy), but then (3) the government fucks the ER on getting any payment for those services that it required them to provide.  Bonus point: this accelerating doom spiral will kill rural hospitals first (already has killed quite a few), so the REAL benefit of all of this -- dead Americans -- will accrue most acutely in MAGA country.

Remember, when it comes to policy in this era, it's the suffering and dead Americans that tells you it's working.

They don't just show up to the ER.  Most waste resources by calling 911 to get an medic unit to take them to the ER.  

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Expecting the Dems to suck at politics and fuck it up like they always do is Republican framing?

Yes! Saying that the Democrats won the off year elections in blue areas and won’t do well in the 26 midterms are literal GOP talking points right now. 

1 hour ago, immamac said:

I know exactly no one that thinks the dems did the right thing. Moderates, conservatives, liberals, everyone I know thinks this was the wrong move both politically (even GOPers admit that they were fucked) and the wrong move morally (shut down could have been avoided altogether and now a bunch of shit is fucked up for no reason) 

Its legitimately the worst possible outcome for dems. 

No it isn’t.  The online right is crashing out right now. Democrats broke the government for 6 weeks, during which they won elections, Republicans took the blame, Donald Trump couldn’t do shit about it, and the shutdown ended when Democrats decided to end it. 
 

And now they are at each other’s throats about anti-semitism and the filibuster, just in time for the Game of Thrones to succeed Trump.

Democrats shouldn’t have missed their expectations about policy outcomes, but they won the shutdown and the GOP lost.

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

The good news is, it will be forgotten until we do it all again after this CR funding runs out.

This!

42 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I don't believe the hemp / CBD issue moves the needle near as much as the dopers think it does.

It deeply divides the MAGA coalition. It’s as potentially damaging to the GOP in 26 as bitcoin stupidity was to democrats in 24.

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3 minutes ago, immamac said:

To cause massive riots in the streets and a wholesale collapse of the government with no one able to ignore the realities that this is caused by a failed government that is completely controlled by a single party at the moment and that party is doing this on purpose. Large scale recall elections, impeachment, crashing of the stock market, enormous market disruption to the point of not being able to function.

 

 

But it wouldn't have gone that far - either  A) the Rs cave and extend the subsidies a single year - this would have been a win for them ultimately, I think, without actually solving the problem or B) they nuke the filibuster and pass the bill without any D support. 

B might have brought more attention, definitely more pain, but ultimately the same outcome, no? It's up the the voters to notice their premiums are unaffordable to motivate them to possibly vote differently. 

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1 minute ago, BillyBadAss said:

But it wouldn't have gone that far - either  A) the Rs cave and extend the subsidies a single year - this would have been a win for them ultimately, I think, without actually solving the problem or B) they nuke the filibuster and pass the bill without any D support. 

B might have brought more attention, definitely more pain, but ultimately the same outcome, no? It's up the the voters to notice their premiums are unaffordable to motivate them to possibly vote differently. 

They wouldn't have done either, option C is they would have worked out a whole other sidestep deal or put in a short term extension of status quo. They would never have caved to the first and reasonable demand. They won't blow up the fillibuster, because if they did it would actually be game over for the minority party (GOP dies) starting in 2026 where the president would be too busy vetoing everything to do any executive orders. 

The entire point was Rs were put in an impossible position that highlighted everything that was happening is completely and totally their fault for governing like a bunch of fucking morons. 

 

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9 minutes ago, immamac said:

To cause massive riots in the streets and a wholesale collapse of the government with no one able to ignore the realities that this is caused by a failed government that is completely controlled by a single party at the moment and that party is doing this on purpose. Large scale recall elections, impeachment, crashing of the stock market, enormous market disruption to the point of not being able to function.

You know, stuff that happens in other democracies where the government has failed and the people actually give a shit. 

This.  Until it all crashes and burns, we're all just finger-fucking ourselves.

The GQP wants to fly the plane into a mountain.  Stop trying to protect the people from the consequences of their choices.  You wanted this?  Here you go.  Enjoy the terrifying plunge and the agony of jet-fuel fire consuming you.  You didn't want this?  Guess you need to do even more to make sure this shit doesn't happen again.

The only currency of any value in our current social economy is pain.  Use it.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  Until it all crashes and burns, we're all just finger-fucking ourselves.

The GQP wants to fly the plane into a mountain.  Stop trying to protect the people from the consequences of their choices.  You wanted this?  Here you go.  Enjoy the terrifying plunge and the agony of jet-fuel fire consuming you.  You didn't want this?  Guess you need to do even more to make sure this shit doesn't happen again.

The only currency of any value in our current social economy is pain.  Use it.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

For the folks that think the Dems blundered this, what outcome did you want to see it as a success? 

In my eyes, if the Rs acquiesced and extended the subsidies, ultimately that would have helped the Rs, not the Dems. The Trump voters aren't getting the same info you and I are, they need to touch the stove and see the dysfunction affect them personally to be swayed. 

 So what was the desired outcome? 

Extend the shutdown longer to extract maximum pain to make the Rs look even less able to govern? I can see that I guess - but at the risk that it backfires or doesn't really change the opinions of the average low info Trump voter. 

Force the Rs to nuke to fillibuster? What good does that do the Dems? (asking honestly).  Can't they just nuke it next time they are in control if they want it out of the way? 

What? 

 

 

This is a case of over-promising and then under-delivering. 

Democrats needed to realize that extending the ACA subsidies was never going to happen. But they pushed that narrative anyway as if it was achievable. This fired up the base thinking that they could hold the line indefinitely. This was a miscalculation as the GOP doesn't give two shits that people's insurance premiums are about to skyrocket and were willing to hold out indefinitely in order to appease Trump and their misinformed base. So this was never going to happen - at least right now.

The irony is that this might get us Medicare for All sooner rather than later. 

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19 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

This is my thinking too - they brought attention to the fact that the shutdown was over ACA subsidies. This is all abstract and doesn't really matter to most people. But ACA open enrollment is happening right now (opened Nov 1)  - when people see the new premiums they should make the connection - why is my premium doubling? Oh - isn't that why the government was just shut down - maybe the Dems really did have a good reason, maybe Obamacare was actually helping me, yada yada..  Many of those people receiving subsidies may also receive SNAP - they got a double-dose of what the party many of them voted in thinks of them. 

And the next CR, in January, will be the first month they are actually paying for the premiums. 

 

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56 minutes ago, immamac said:

Hemp issue is massive beyond dopers. 

I'm sure the issue will lead to the election of more reasonable governors, representatives and senators any day now.

Kind of like how Texas is going to turn blue before you know it.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, The Dog said:

This is a case of over-promising and then under-delivering. 

Democrats needed to realize that extending the ACA subsidies was never going to happen. But they pushed that narrative anyway as if it was achievable. This fired up the base thinking that they could hold the line indefinitely. This was a miscalculation as the GOP doesn't give two shits that people's insurance premiums are about to skyrocket and were willing to hold out indefinitely in order to appease Trump and their misinformed base. So this was never going to happen - at least right now.

The irony is that this might get us Medicare for All sooner rather than later. 

You might be right that some Dems feel that way, but those aren't really the people that matter in this case. The people who pulled the lever for Harris are going to vote D in the midterms, almost no matter what. What the Dems should care about is getting people who voted for Trump to either stay home or switch and vote with their economic interests. 

I think they did about as good as they could do with the cards they had in that regard. I don't even know that they planned it - but ultimately that's the way it happened. If the Rs had agreed to extend subsidies a year in return for passing the CR, that would have been a disaster for Dems, IMO. This seems like about as good an outcome as they could have hoped for. The Rs will own those exploding premiums, as much as is possible in our disinformation society. 

 

 

Posted
32 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

It’s as potentially damaging to the GOP in 26 as bitcoin stupidity was to democrats in 24.

Huh?  Bitcoin had no bearing on the 2024 elections.

At all.

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41 minutes ago, immamac said:

To cause massive riots in the streets and a wholesale collapse of the government with no one able to ignore the realities that this is caused by a failed government that is completely controlled by a single party at the moment and that party is doing this on purpose. Large scale recall elections, impeachment, crashing of the stock market, enormous market disruption to the point of not being able to function.

You know, stuff that happens in other democracies where the government has failed and the people actually give a shit. 

Cracking Up Lol GIF

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7 minutes ago, BillyBadAss said:

You might be right that some Dems feel that way, but those aren't really the people that matter in this case. The people who pulled the lever for Harris are going to vote D in the midterms, almost no matter what. What the Dems should care about is getting people who voted for Trump to either stay home or switch and vote with their economic interests. 

I think they did about as good as they could do with the cards they had in that regard. I don't even know that they planned it - but ultimately that's the way it happened. If the Rs had agreed to extend subsidies a year in return for passing the CR, that would have been a disaster for Dems, IMO. This seems like about as good an outcome as they could have hoped for. The Rs will own those exploding premiums, as much as is possible in our disinformation society. 

But...and hear me out: trannies and dangerous mexicans and lazy gangbanger blacks.

Stop thinking in terms of logic and reason.  They have no place in this timeline.  Only hate, anger, cruelty, and pain have any value.  Trade in the currency of value.  And from the opposition perspective, the only currency available is pain.  And at unimaginable levels to actually get a reaction.

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Just stepping back, how was it so easy for the Republicans to peel off 8 Democrats (17% of the caucus) with nothing more than a promise to back pay federal workers (which they are legally required to do anyway) and a future vote that everyone knows won't actually happen? Serious question - when was the last time that the Democrats peeled off 17% of Republicans with minimal promises in order to get something done?

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5 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Just stepping back, how was it so easy for the Republicans to peel off 8 Democrats (17% of the caucus) with nothing more than a promise to back pay federal workers (which they are legally required to do anyway) and a future vote that everyone knows won't actually happen? Serious question - when was the last time that the Democrats peeled off 17% of Republicans with minimal promises in order to get something done?

All not running for re-election. 

Posted
1 minute ago, immamac said:

All not running for re-election. 

I bet their PACs saw a big increase in bribes errrrrrr “donations” recently despite not running again.

9 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Just stepping back, how was it so easy for the Republicans to peel off 8 Democrats (17% of the caucus) with nothing more than a promise to back pay federal workers (which they are legally required to do anyway) and a future vote that everyone knows won't actually happen? Serious question - when was the last time that the Democrats peeled off 17% of Republicans with minimal promises in order to get something done?

Super PAC fuckery.

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14 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Just stepping back, how was it so easy for the Republicans to peel off 8 Democrats (17% of the caucus) with nothing more than a promise to back pay federal workers (which they are legally required to do anyway) and a future vote that everyone knows won't actually happen? Serious question - when was the last time that the Democrats peeled off 17% of Republicans with minimal promises in order to get something done?

Would it make you feel better or worse to learn that the number was much greater than 8, these were just the 8 that were strategically selected to minimize blowback?

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56 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yes! Saying that the Democrats won the off year elections in blue areas and won’t do well in the 26 midterms are literal GOP talking points right now. 

No it isn’t.  The online right is crashing out right now. Democrats broke the government for 6 weeks, during which they won elections, Republicans took the blame, Donald Trump couldn’t do shit about it, and the shutdown ended when Democrats decided to end it. 
 

And now they are at each other’s throats about anti-semitism and the filibuster, just in time for the Game of Thrones to succeed Trump.

Democrats shouldn’t have missed their expectations about policy outcomes, but they won the shutdown and the GOP lost.

This!

It deeply divides the MAGA coalition. It’s as potentially damaging to the GOP in 26 as bitcoin stupidity was to democrats in 24.

You’re living in a fantasy world. 
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19 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Huh?  Bitcoin had no bearing on the 2024 elections.

At all.

You are wrong. Full stop.
Hostility to crypto in general and bitcoin in particular played a crucial, decisive role in the erosion of Democratic support among minorities and the shift of young men to the GOP and Trump in 2024. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You are wrong. Full stop.
Hostility to crypto in general and bitcoin in particular played a crucial, decisive role in the erosion of Democratic support among minorities and the shift of young men to the GOP and Trump in 2024. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Think what you want, but my track record is pretty solid. 

You have gone full helobious the last few days.  It’s unreal how wrong you have been about basically everything.

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1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

 

You have gone full helobious the last few days.  It’s unreal how wrong you have been about basically everything.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

TIL minorities are concerned about *checks notes* bitcoin. 

Today you did learn that.
Minorities disproportionately invest in bitcoin. 
But I’m not surprised you just learned it  today, because there is frequently a wide gulf between the reality of people of color and a white liberals ideas about people of color. 

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4 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

 

You have gone full helobious the last few days.  It’s unreal how wrong you have been about basically everything.

Sorry to be the bearer of good news!

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41 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Just stepping back, how was it so easy for the Republicans to peel off 8 Democrats (17% of the caucus) with nothing more than a promise to back pay federal workers (which they are legally required to do anyway) and a future vote that everyone knows won't actually happen? Serious question - when was the last time that the Democrats peeled off 17% of Republicans with minimal promises in order to get something done?

They were not "peeled off" but rather were selected by Schumer and the caucus to take the fall since none are up for re-election or are retiring. 

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Here’s the funny part to me. Later this week, Donald Trump will probably have a signing ceremony where the shutdown will end and he will take credit and all of the GOP congressman that surround him will applaud his leadership and they will talk about how the Democrats caused all this and then caved and did it for nothing, and you guys will all nod your heads in agreement. 


Touch grass, fellas. Democrats came out of this better than they went in.  The GOP is at each other’s throats and losing confidence in Donald Trump, and consumers are increasingly angry at him about the state of the economy. Take the W and chill the fuck out. 

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Here’s the funny part to me. Later this week, Donald Trump will probably have a signing ceremony where the shutdown will end and he will take credit and all of the GOP congressman that surround him will applaud his leadership and they will talk about how the Democrats caused all this and then caved and did it for nothing, and you guys will all nod your heads in agreement. 


Touch grass, fellas. Democrats came out of this better than they went in.  The GOP is at each other’s throats and losing confidence in Donald Trump, and consumers are increasingly angry at him about the state of the economy. Take the W and chill the fuck out. 

You skipped the part where "but the voters always come back around, because resentment, hate, and wanting to hurt other people ALWAYS trump common sense, self-preservation, and even a scintilla of human decency."

Understand the time we are in.

Then understand that the only way out of this time is....more time....and more pain than any people should have to endure, but that's what we're going to get.

You always skip over that last part.  It's the most important part.

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9 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Here’s the funny part to me. Later this week, Donald Trump will probably have a signing ceremony where the shutdown will end and he will take credit and all of the GOP congressman that surround him will applaud his leadership and they will talk about how the Democrats caused all this and then caved and did it for nothing, and you guys will all nod your heads in agreement. 


Touch grass, fellas. Democrats came out of this better than they went in.  The GOP is at each other’s throats and losing confidence in Donald Trump, and consumers are increasingly angry at him about the state of the economy. Take the W and chill the fuck out. 

I don't know why you continue with this line of thinking. We obviously don't agree, but we are concerned that many of the dumbasses in the electorate will continue to fall for Trump's bullshit. 

Narrative is all that fucking matters. And I don't trust the Democrats to win it.

Posted
1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I am reminded of the post-Dobbs overperformance and the hubris of telling the base to accept Joe Biden as the nominee.

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Calling this a victory isn't quite Mack Brown post OU blowout delusional.....but it's not great. 

Posted
1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

 

We care about you!  We can't do anything to help you, but we're gonna make all the appropriate public statements of outrage while you starve and die of treatable illnesses.

Love always,

The Donkeys



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