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23 minutes ago, Alien Octopus said:

I am just saying that if Penn St. fires Franklin for not beating top teams and then hires Cignetti, who also has had trouble with top teams, and in fact has lost to Penn St. and Franklin, then they are pretty dumb.  Cignetti has done great, is an entertaining asshole. He reminds me of McGuire over at Tech. Cignetti has one big game win on his resume. I believe Mcguire beat Iowa St. and OU , but not sure either were top 10 team.  Anyway , no big shakes, will see how Cig does against tOSU this year. McGuire will play BYU soon enough, they should be a top ten team by then.

He's coached 3 games against top 5 teams and has won 1. That's not bad for anyone, let alone Indiana. Never played PSU. McGuire has never lost fewer than 5 games until this season (where he has one of the most expensive rosters in CFB). And BYU? We talkin bout BYU???

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I've been to State College.  It's the kinda dump you imagine an insular college town in Appalachia would be.  "Penn-tucky."

I've also been to Bloomington.  A college town nestled in the hills of the Midwest.  Norman Rockwell painting.

If Cig stays at IU and can keep it together for a few years, he'll be a goddang LEGEND there.  PSU BMD $$$ can't buy something like that.

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13 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I've been to State College.  It's the kinda dump you imagine an insular college town in Appalachia would be.  "Penn-tucky."

I've also been to Bloomington.  A college town nestled in the hills of the Midwest.  Norman Rockwell painting.

If Cig stays at IU and can keep it together for a few years, he'll be a goddang LEGEND there.  PSU BMD $$$ can't buy something like that.

That’s weird to me, google says the enrollment is 88,000. That number along with the faculty and staff required for that operation makes for a sizable population and would expect a genuine city to have developed. I’ve never been.

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37 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Looks like he didn’t get the Jimbo exemption. These mitigation clauses are usually why these things settle, each side wants a clean beak and to not have to track this stuff. My guess is that they’ll settle for $25-$30M. I wonder who of the other hot seat coaches have the Jimbo exemption? I think Gundy did not have the mitigation clause because it was negotiated down to $15M even after last season.

 

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On 10/13/2025 at 9:13 AM, WBT said:

No one tell him about the buyout they gave Mel Tugger.

Sparty actually started the trend of fully guaranteed contracts that every mindless A.D. fell over themselves to copy.

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Too soon

Didn't Sparty get out of having to pay Tucker's buyout because he was naughty or something?

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

That’s weird to me, google says the enrollment is 88,000. That number along with the faculty and staff required for that operation makes for a sizable population and would expect a genuine city to have developed. I’ve never been.

It’s College Station in PA. 

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3 hours ago, ztejas said:

You don't even know what fucking games they played in last season. They didn't play in the B10 title game - Oregon beat PSU. 

Their two losses last season were against the two teams that played in the National Title Game. Wow what an indictment.

Oh excuse me, they lost to tOSU 15-38 to get knocked out of the championship... YOu still angry about the blow comment about suck ass SMU I see. GFY

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3 hours ago, TXpride said:

He's coached 3 games against top 5 teams and has won 1. That's not bad for anyone, let alone Indiana. Never played PSU. McGuire has never lost fewer than 5 games until this season (where he has one of the most expensive rosters in CFB). And BYU? We talkin bout BYU???

The "record against top 10 teams" narratives drive me crazy. Nearly any coach will have a losing record if you only consider those games. There are a few (very few) who have winning records, with Steve Spurrier being an example at 22-15. Nick Saban is another at 37-15. But guess what? Many (most?) of those wins came when their teams were also likely top 10 teams. MOST coaches don't have top 10 quality rosters through their whole careers.


For reference: 

- Darrel Royal's record against top 10 opponents is 19-21-2. 45% wins.
- Mack Brown's record is 10-18 against top 10 opponents. 36% wins.
- Steve Sarkesian's record is 2-8 against top 10 opponents. 20% wins.

What Cignetti has done is remarkable. Can he continue it? I don't know.

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21 minutes ago, SurlyORama said:

- Steve Sarkesian's record is 2-8 against top 10 opponents. 20% wins.

Sark has at least 4 top 10 wins at Texas. I don't think I'm missing any. 

'23 Bama

'24 Michigan, ASU

'25 OU

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3 hours ago, TXpride said:

He's coached 3 games against top 5 teams and has won 1. That's not bad for anyone, let alone Indiana. Never played PSU. McGuire has never lost fewer than 5 games until this season (where he has one of the most expensive rosters in CFB). And BYU? We talkin bout BYU???

BYU is pretty successful in past 50 years. Let's see if they knock off Utah this weekend. Will Probably catapult them into the top 10.

Indiana is paying $20 mm for their roster if not more. They poached 19 players through the portal to reload. They have $13.6 mm in NIL, the 12th largest in the NCAA so they are not exactly the sisters of the poor.  Reports have them spending $62 mm on football. And I'll say it again, Cignetti has beat 1 top ten team. He is a loudmouth blowhard just like Mcguire that is the only comparison I have made between the two. That said we can see how both produced with big buck spending.

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6 hours ago, Alien Octopus said:

What big games besides Oregon has Cignetti won? I don't think the win against that fat retard will be considered a great win by the end of the year.

Indiana looks rugged and physical, or at least they did against Oregon and Illinois. I don't know anything about Indiana or what moves Cignetti, whose name I didn't know until this season, has made, but I'm impressed by what I see.

His team belongs where they are in the rankings this wild, wonderful year. 

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43 minutes ago, Alien Octopus said:

BYU is pretty successful in past 50 years. Let's see if they knock off Utah this weekend. Will Probably catapult them into the top 10.

Indiana is paying $20 mm for their roster if not more. They poached 19 players through the portal to reload. They have $13.6 mm in NIL, the 12th largest in the NCAA so they are not exactly the sisters of the poor.  Reports have them spending $62 mm on football. And I'll say it again, Cignetti has beat 1 top ten team. He is a loudmouth blowhard just like Mcguire that is the only comparison I have made between the two. That said we can see how both produced with big buck spending.

I don't care what Tech does against BYU, they aren't an elite team. I have no idea what Indiana's NIL situation is, but their highest ranked recruiting class in the last 5 years was #25 in 2022. Their highest ranked portal class since 2022 (the first year of the rankings) was #19 in 2023. Maybe they're throwing around all kinds of money, but none of the rankings reflect that. I don't like Cignetti either, but the guy clearly knows how to fucking coach.

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1 hour ago, TXpride said:

I don't care what Tech does against BYU, they aren't an elite team. I have no idea what Indiana's NIL situation is, but their highest ranked recruiting class in the last 5 years was #25 in 2022. Their highest ranked portal class since 2022 (the first year of the rankings) was #19 in 2023. Maybe they're throwing around all kinds of money, but none of the rankings reflect that. I don't like Cignetti either, but the guy clearly knows how to fucking coach.

He knows how to coach no doubt. 

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2 hours ago, SurlyORama said:

The "record against top 10 teams" narratives drive me crazy. Nearly any coach will have a losing record if you only consider those games. There are a few (very few) who have winning records, with Steve Spurrier being an example at 22-15. Nick Saban is another at 37-15. But guess what? Many (most?) of those wins came when their teams were also likely top 10 teams. MOST coaches don't have top 10 quality rosters through their whole careers.


For reference: 

- Darrel Royal's record against top 10 opponents is 19-21-2. 45% wins.
- Mack Brown's record is 10-18 against top 10 opponents. 36% wins.
- Steve Sarkesian's record is 2-8 against top 10 opponents. 20% wins.

What Cignetti has done is remarkable. Can he continue it? I don't know.

That narrative is why Franklin is unemployed, after being in the playoffs last year. Glad the $2B private equity money has emboldened the Big X. Guess the SEC will have to go bigger.

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25 minutes ago, Alien Octopus said:

That narrative is why Franklin is unemployed, after being in the playoffs last year. Glad the $2B private equity money has emboldened the Big X. Guess the SEC will have to go bigger.

No. It isn't. He's unemployed because he just lost to UCLA and Northwestern in b2b weeks. I don't think Indiana beating Oregon helped, either. 

His record in big games and ineptitude against top teams was a contributing factor. 

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3 minutes ago, ztejas said:

No. It isn't. He's unemployed because he just lost to UCLA and Northwestern in b2b weeks. I don't think Indiana beating Oregon helped, either. 

His record in big games and ineptitude against top teams was a contributing factor. 

They also broke the bank to steal the DC from Ohio State and brought back a ton from last year’s team including their starting QB.

Now they are 3-3, winless in conference, and it’s impossible for them to meet any of their goals.

The season couldn’t have been teed up better for a national title run and he blew it.

This was a well deserved firing.

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7 hours ago, 'stache said:

That’s weird to me, google says the enrollment is 88,000. That number along with the faculty and staff required for that operation makes for a sizable population and would expect a genuine city to have developed. I’ve never been.

I did a wireless project from Chicago to NYC and basically just lived along I70 and 76 I think. Took a detour one day and thought wow I’ve never seen state college but I feel like I should check it out. Just a dump of a town and the campus was ugly as hell. It was 15 or so years ago though

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8 hours ago, 'stache said:

That’s weird to me, google says the enrollment is 88,000. That number along with the faculty and staff required for that operation makes for a sizable population and would expect a genuine city to have developed. I’ve never been.

Campus-specific enrollment

University Park: 46,723 students, with 6,281 graduate students.

Commonwealth Campuses: Declined to 23,257 students between 2020 and 2024.

Penn State World Campus: Increased to 14,601 students in fall 2024. 

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19 hours ago, orange dream said:

I heard Greg McElroy say that Pat Fitzgerald is a name to watch at Pedo.

I think PC principal would actually do well at Pedo. He had some good years at NU and that was with zero talent. 

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14 hours ago, ztejas said:

Sark has at least 4 top 10 wins at Texas. I don't think I'm missing any. 

'23 Bama

'24 Michigan, ASU

'25 OU

That win against Michigan last year should not count. Defending champ with elevated preseason rankings. Finished the regular season unranked. 

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16 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Didn't Sparty get out of having to pay Tucker's buyout because he was naughty or something?

Yes. Mel was vigorously beating it while on the phone with the woman hired to come in and talk to the team about sexual assault. 

Know your audience Mel. 

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18 minutes ago, Juicy said:

That win against Michigan last year should not count. Defending champ with elevated preseason rankings. Finished the regular season unranked. 

And yet, that is the way that extremely commonly used stat is determined. It's like ERA in baseball, inherently flawed yet frequently cited.

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19 hours ago, orange dream said:

I heard Greg McElroy say that Pat Fitzgerald is a name to watch at Pedo.

Cost-effective with high upside. But, is Pedo smart enough to pull the trigger?

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38 minutes ago, Juicy said:

That win against Michigan last year should not count. Defending champ with elevated preseason rankings. Finished the regular season unranked. 

I'm not designing the fucking criteria I'm telling you how many games Sark has won based on it. 

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52 minutes ago, Juicy said:

Yes. Mel was vigorously beating it while on the phone with the woman hired to come in and talk to the team about sexual assault. 

Know your audience Mel. 

He was just demonstrating that keeping your hands to yourself is better than sexual assault. Far from naughty, and consistent messaging.

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19 hours ago, 'stache said:

That’s weird to me, google says the enrollment is 88,000. That number along with the faculty and staff required for that operation makes for a sizable population and would expect a genuine city to have developed. I’ve never been.

I mean Bryan college station likely has 200k people in it.  Charleston, wva is populated.  Doesn’t mean it’s not a backwater place

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47 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Rumors are Napier is out at Florida

A Wednesday firing when they have a game on Saturday?

If he was fired, it would have happened this past Sunday.  Or this coming Sunday.  Unless he took a shit on the AD's desk and then fucked the University president's wife yesterday, you don't change hands midweek of game prep.  That's dumb as fuck, even for Floriduh

And if it happened this past Sunday, it would have leaked days ago.  

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28 minutes ago, Js1 said:

A Wednesday firing when they have a game on Saturday?

If he was fired, it would have happened this past Sunday.  Or this coming Sunday.  Unless he took a shit on the AD's desk and then fucked the University president's wife yesterday, you don't change hands midweek of game prep.  That's dumb as fuck, even for Floriduh

And if it happened this past Sunday, it would have leaked days ago.  

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

A Wednesday firing when they have a game on Saturday?

If he was fired, it would have happened this past Sunday.  Or this coming Sunday.  Unless he took a shit on the AD's desk and then fucked the University president's wife yesterday, you don't change hands midweek of game prep.  That's dumb as fuck, even for Floriduh

And if it happened this past Sunday, it would have leaked days ago.  

Not today but it does appear they are about to make a move:

Embattled Florida coach Billy Napier could be fired as soon as this weekend

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Florida athletic director Scott Stricklin met with a handful of influential boosters Tuesday, and was told continuing financial support depends on new direction within the football program, three people with direct knowledge of the situation told USA TODAY Sports.

The people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the ongoing process, said embattled Florida coach Billy Napier could be fired as soon as this weekend. One thing is certain: Napier won't survive another loss.

Stricklin declined comment for this story.

This, unlike other speculation about Napier's job status, is an important and direct connection to last year's near firing of Napier. It was then that the same Florida boosters were ready to pay Napier's large buyout, but were held off by Stricklin and convinced to use that money in NIL space to help Napier's buildout.

The boosters agreed, and the result was a significantly upgraded and talented team. Florida flipped five-star wide receiver Dallas Wilson – the most talented player on the team – from Oregon late in the recruiting process with the infusion of NIL cash.

That money also was used to keep numerous impact players already on the roster from leaving for other schools. The results on the field, however, have been the same.

Napier’s buyout, according to a document obtained by USA TODAY Sports, is approximately $21 million, to be paid in installments: 50% of the money within 30 days of separation, and then equal payments of 12.5% annually over the next four years.    

The hope is that Napier, who has a close relationship with a talented roster he built, will finish the season while Florida looks for its fifth coach since Urban Meyer resigned after the 2010 season. 

If Napier doesn’t choose to finish the season, the only coach on staff with head coaching experience is defensive coordinator Ron Roberts, who led two programs in the NCAA lower divisions (Delta State, Southeastern Louisiana).

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The inevitable end for Napier began last month, when Florida lost at home as an 18-point favorite to Group of Five school South Florida. The Gators have since lost ugly road games to LSU, Miami and Texas A&M, sandwiched around an upset of Texas in Gainesville.

Napier was nearly fired last year when Florida began the season with blowout home losses to Miami and Texas A&M, on the heels two dysfunctional seasons to begin his tenure. It was then that USA TODAY Sports reported a group of Florida boosters were ready to pay Napier’s $28 million buyout.

But Stricklin held firm with Napier, a likable, organized coach who the university desperately wanted to succeed. The Gators then went on a second half run that included wins over LSU and Ole Miss — and Stricklin then convinced boosters to use the potential buyout money on NIL deals to help support player procurement.

The group of boosters, three people told USA Today Sports, agreed, but with one stipulation: that Napier relinquish control of the offense, and hire an experienced coordinator and play caller. He never did. 

Napier tried to hire Ole Miss offensive coordinator and play caller Charlie Weis Jr., before the 2024 season, two different people with direct knowledge of the situation told USA TODAY Sports. But Weis decided to stay with Rebels coach Lane Kiffin, and Napier never made another serious run at an offensive coordinator. 

Now Napier is 21-23 into his fourth season, and has the worst coaching record at Florida since the 1940s. He has lost every way imaginable, and is winless against bitter rival Georgia — with the program falling further behind in the ever-strengthening SEC with each passing week.

Florida still has difficult games remaining against three teams ranked in the Top 11 of the US LBM coaches poll: Georgia (in Jacksonville, Fla.), at Ole Miss and Tennessee in Gainesville.  

 

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A bit more on Franklin - apparently he was given a ton of money for transfers and didn't really pursue them. Worse, some of the ones they wanted to target ended up on that same Oregon team that beat them in Happy Valley. 

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Yep Napier gone this Saturday evening makes complete sense. Penn State got the jump on Florida getting into the market and caught them by surprise. I imagine there have been conversations and plans discussed this entire week in Gainesville. 

And if that's what prompted it then I'm not sure a win over MSU changes anything. We might see a guy fired after a win. 

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To say this season's carousel might be the craziest ever would be an understatement.  The number of programs in the hunt could be crazy.  Barring some turn arounds it could very well be something like..

Top Tier Programs:

UCLA
Penn State
Florida
Auburn
FSU
 

Second Tier Programs:

Virginia Tech
Okie State
Arkansas
UAB
Oregon State
Wisconsin
Aggy*
Tech*

*Added these as it is looking more and more likely fat Elko and McGuire move to top tier programs this year

And that's just where we are now.....with half the season left for coaches to fuck up.

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25 minutes ago, ermahgerdhorn said:

To say this season's carousel might be the craziest ever would be an understatement.  The number of programs in the hunt could be crazy.  Barring some turn arounds it could very well be something like..

Top Tier Programs:

UCLA
Penn State
Florida
Auburn
FSU
 

Second Tier Programs:

Virginia Tech
Okie State
Arkansas
UAB
Oregon State
Wisconsin
Aggy*
Tech*

*Added these as it is looking more and more likely fat Elko and McGuire move to top tier programs this year

And that's just where we are now.....with half the season left for coaches to fuck up.

UCLA is definitely a top-tier school, but, in no way is it a top-tier job.  Historically, they win at a 60% clip.  They won a single national championship, in 1954.  That's a long, long, time ago.  Not as long ago as aggy, but a very long time ago. 

They shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the other 4 on your list.

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58 minutes ago, ermahgerdhorn said:

Tech*

*Added these as it is looking more and more likely fat Elko and McGuire move to top tier programs this year

Who's in the mix for Joey? Arkansas?

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38 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

UCLA is definitely a top-tier school, but, in no way is it a top-tier job.  Historically, they win at a 60% clip.  They won a single national championship, in 1954.  That's a long, long, time ago.  Not as long ago as aggy, but a very long time ago. 

They shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the other 4 on your list.

I was trying to group those group at kind of a low resolution. If I'm a coach shopping for a job winning history is important but other factors like available money, conference placement, and recruiting capabilities are also part of the equation.  If we get granular I'd say they break down as

Top Tier Programs:


Penn State
Florida
Auburn
 

Second Tier:

UCLA
FSU
Arkansas

Third Tier Programs:

Virginia Tech
Okie State
Wisconsin
Tech*

Fourth Tier:

UAB
Oregon State
aggy

 

 

4 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Who's in the mix for Joey? Arkansas?

I think he'd be a good fit at Arkansas, FSU, or VT.  If he goes early and there's no other takers for Elko I could see Tech writing the check to get him in Lubbock next year.  

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Just now, ermahgerdhorn said:

I think he'd be a good fit at Arkansas, FSU, or VT.  If he goes early and there's no other takers for Elko I could see Tech writing the check to get him in Lubbock next year.  

I'm just not seeing how any of those 3 are a step up from Tech, other than history and tradition.

Tech now has the facilities and support every coach dreams of. McGuire would be better off building his legacy in Lubbock if they win the Big 12 and/or make the CFB Playoff this year.

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1 minute ago, Duane Moore said:

HoopShizz has never let us down!

 

This looks exactly like when Jimbo got fired

Aggy beat the shit out of MSST, and got fired going into their bye week

Florida plays MSST, and then goes into a bye week

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1 minute ago, Duane Moore said:

HoopShizz has never let us down!

 

I was surprised that Brian Kelly left ND for LSU, but Freeman's departure will be even bigger, since he's a newly confirmed Catholic as of 2022.

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Second Tier:

UCLA
FSU
Arkansas

Third Tier Programs:

Virginia Tech
Okie State
Wisconsin
Tech*

Fourth Tier:

UAB
Oregon State
aggy

I don't like aggy, either, but to say they're 4th Tier behind the likes of Arkansas, Va Tech, Okie St, and Tech is laughable.

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19 minutes ago, ermahgerdhorn said:

I was trying to group those group at kind of a low resolution. If I'm a coach shopping for a job winning history is important but other factors like available money, conference placement, and recruiting capabilities are also part of the equation.  If we get granular I'd say they break down as

Top Tier Programs:


Penn State
Florida
Auburn
 

Second Tier:

UCLA
FSU
Arkansas

Third Tier Programs:

Virginia Tech
Okie State
Wisconsin
Tech*

Fourth Tier:

UAB
Oregon State
aggy

 

 

I think he'd be a good fit at Arkansas, FSU, or VT.  If he goes early and there's no other takers for Elko I could see Tech writing the check to get him in Lubbock next year.  

still fucked up.  FSU has 3 national championships...one of them when they were coached by an idiot.  It's a top-tier job.  The ACC thing is a bit of a drag, but that shit comes and goes.

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29 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Who's in the mix for Joey? Arkansas?

In the post nil world, tech is a way better job than Arkansas.  Add an easier automatic qualifier to the playoffs via big 12 and it's not even close, unless you really like trees or hills.

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