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It’s kinda like now there is a cap in the NFL Jerruh ain’t won shit in 30 years. Probably the singular best coaching job I have seen since NIL has been Cignetti. Because Indiana in their entire history has only had two ten win seasons. Both under Cig. They are a basketball school and so on. Imagine what Leach at Texas Tech could have done with NIL? It’s not that Sark is a shitty HC. Both he and Lane are talented. With several stops at HC. And the MNC is what eludes them both as HC. That doesn’t mean you cut bait on them or that they won’t eventually get the trophy as a HC but…you cannot separate Sark’s success from being at Texas and benefitting from NIL. Jmo. What would he be doing at OSU or Kansas State? He’s always been attached to fairly major programs. What would he do if the talent bucket was half empty and with limited funds? I think he would have about the same record at those places that he has here. And that’s my biggest knock on him. There are no excuses for losing to a shitty Florida team after a bye. The glare is that much harsher on him bc he has never won the big one as a HC. He gets leeway for being in the playoffs the last two years but we look sloppy and undisciplined and discombobulated at multiple times during the past three years and I cannot excuse that shit. He has top five NIL and Talent. People ripped Mack Brown’s mostly 10-3 shit while he was here. Let’s not pretend that with an expanded playoff and NIL and ability to get any player he pretty much wants that we should excuse Sark for potentially 9-3 bullshit either. He ain’t won shit yet. Praying he will.  Because the list of available candidates for his role are hit or miss with mostly misses. 

Big12 champs, bowl games, playoffs…..
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58 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I like Sark as much as the next guy and personally hope he stays, but let's not overlook the fact that our return to success also coincides nicely with it becoming legal to pay players. It's really hard to argue that the actual X's and O's on the field this year has been overly impressive.

 

43 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

It’s kinda like now there is a cap in the NFL Jerruh ain’t won shit in 30 years. Probably the singular best coaching job I have seen since NIL has been Cignetti. Because Indiana in their entire history has only had two ten win seasons. Both under Cig. They are a basketball school and so on. Imagine what Leach at Texas Tech could have done with NIL? It’s not that Sark is a shitty HC. Both he and Lane are talented. With several stops at HC. And the MNC is what eludes them both as HC. That doesn’t mean you cut bait on them or that they won’t eventually get the trophy as a HC but…you cannot separate Sark’s success from being at Texas and benefitting from NIL. Jmo. What would he be doing at OSU or Kansas State? He’s always been attached to fairly major programs. What would he do if the talent bucket was half empty and with limited funds? I think he would have about the same record at those places that he has here. And that’s my biggest knock on him. There are no excuses for losing to a shitty Florida team after a bye. The glare is that much harsher on him bc he has never won the big one as a HC. He gets leeway for being in the playoffs the last two years but we look sloppy and undisciplined and discombobulated at multiple times during the past three years and I cannot excuse that shit. He has top five NIL and Talent. People ripped Mack Brown’s mostly 10-3 shit while he was here. Let’s not pretend that with an expanded playoff and NIL and ability to get any player he pretty much wants that we should excuse Sark for potentially 9-3 bullshit either. He ain’t won shit yet. Praying he will.  Because the list of available candidates for his role are hit or miss with mostly misses. 

I respectfully disagree. NIL has helped Sark, but Sark has also adroitly used NIL. And I will point out that many people on this board and within the community helped the AD (and therefore the staff) navigate NIL, but credit to Sark for being willing to engage with that help and partner with it effectively. Do you think Herman would have done as good a job as Sark with NIL? I don't. Not with the transfer portal making it easier than ever for players to get away from a toxic coach. 

There are also many counterfactuals - cases where a coach had plenty of money and could use NIL to recruit, but still fucked things up. You don't have to look any farther than Jimbo at A&M. All the money in the world, but he's dumb as fuck so they screwed things up. Then they bring an a coach who is at a minimum competent and suddenly things are looking up.

Sark is getting a boost from NIL, no doubt. But you can't assume a coach won't fuck up playing even a good hand dealt, and someone else could be much worse. 

Also, Sark won the Big 12 and a NY6. It's not a national championship, but it's more than we had done in quite a while and certainly more than "ain't shit." 

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51 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

It’s no Nashville, but nyc is up and coming for sure. 

Ok, so you're admitting you're basing this entirely on the city/location of the franchise. That's what I thought, which is why I said "Other than living in New York."

You're also taking that Titans interest as fact, which is most certainly is not proven fact. That's a hell of a false premise for this conversation. 

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All things considered, Sark's biggest problem seems to be that he still chases Coordinator Glory.

Until he realizes that he's pursuing a subjective title (Best OC) and changes to the objectivity of full-spectrum Scoreboard Dominance, we're almost certainly going to continue to see a couple of WTF performances every season.

 

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39 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Ok, so you're admitting you're basing this entirely on the city/location of the franchise. That's what I thought, which is why I said "Other than living in New York."

You're also taking that Titans interest as fact, which is most certainly is not proven fact. That's a hell of a false premise for this conversation. 

I’m saying as a whole the Giants job is better than Tennessee, Miami, Carolina or wherever.  It’s at worst a top ten nfl job.  Yes location matters.  Franchise history matters. 
 

 

i haven’t a clue if Tennessee is remotely interested in Sark

 

Unrelated but Boomer Esiason said Sarks reps are pushing hard for him to get an NFL gig

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44 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

 

I respectfully disagree. NIL has helped Sark, but Sark has also adroitly used NIL. And I will point out that many people on this board and within the community helped the AD (and therefore the staff) navigate NIL, but credit to Sark for being willing to engage with that help and partner with it effectively. Do you think Herman would have done as good a job as Sark with NIL? I don't. Not with the transfer portal making it easier than ever for players to get away from a toxic coach. 

There are also many counterfactuals - cases where a coach had plenty of money and could use NIL to recruit, but still fucked things up. You don't have to look any farther than Jimbo at A&M. All the money in the world, but he's dumb as fuck so they screwed things up. Then they bring an a coach who is at a minimum competent and suddenly things are looking up.

Sark is getting a boost from NIL, no doubt. But you can't assume a coach won't fuck up playing even a good hand dealt, and someone else could be much worse. 

Also, Sark won the Big 12 and a NY6. It's not a national championship, but it's more than we had done in quite a while and certainly more than "ain't shit." 

Adroit sounds like a fancy SAT word tha means not going after OL help

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9 minutes ago, Wilcox Cummingtonite said:

If/when we lose to UGA, Sark is gone. It’s so obvious how much he hates coaching here. 
 

This is the NIL era, I think someone on surly could coach these guys and probably win 8-9 games. We’ll be fine. He’s not near as good as he thinks he is.

You are projecting your silly bullshit onto Sark. Get fucked. 

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4 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

You are projecting your silly bullshit onto Sark. Get fucked. 

I don't think Sarkisian "hates" coaching at Texas. I don't think his desire to go to the pros has much to do with Texas either. I just think he thinks he can kill it at the NFL level. It's pretty obvious that that is where his head is and where it has been for awhile. Sucks for us. 

 

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

A worthwhile observation about money, but be careful of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Xs and Os looked bad early because of poor execution. Plays were there. 

I'm not arguing Sark's perfect. I do argue the performance I named. I stick by my assessment of us being overrated to start the year. 

The main point of my post was about who would we get to replace Sark who would certainly improve on what he is doing. Who would that be? I've noticed over the years that many people don't think that far ahead. Several top programs face that problem now. 

Who's next?

While I don't agree with the idiotic premise that "anyone can win at Texas with NIL now", I also don't buy the implication that there aren't suitable or better replacements for Steven & Five. There's a growing view that, whether anyone wants to replace Sarkisian or not, a short list better be figured out. 

So, to answer your question from my end, Freeman, Lanning, and Kiffin - their agent(s) would be the first guy(s) I'd be talking to, and I'd make sure the money was right. I'd want those guys in that order. I'm unwilling to consider other options until Sarkisian is actually gone and all 3 of those guys offer "thanks, but no thanks."

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