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21 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I am biased because I have friends who were involved, but from the sounds of it, Deboer's S&C and Nutrition & Wellness programs have gone to absolute shit.

Sounds like he needs to go hire a dinosaur off the couch.  This is a line of scrimmage league.  Week in week out.  Grind.

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I have witnessed Alabama football doing some desert wandering a few times in my 65 or so years of relatively focused and sentient observations. I don’t trash opponents (with one notable exception) and I don’t bail on coaches and bitch about them after the fact.  I don’t give one shit what anyone says on Finebaum or social media.  I am thankful for the effort Paul Bryant, Gene Stallings and Nick Saban put forth when they coached in Tuscaloosa. I am hopelessly addicted to following this team come what may. I was not shocked to see Bryant or Saban retire, don’t blame either of them for wanting peace in their lives. Bryant smoked too many unfiltered Chesterfields to have a retirement break.  I hope Saban has many years and doesn’t make the mistake of returning to corching. I am keeping my promise to give Kalen DeBoer a two year pass and hope he finds success here or somewhere.  All this ridiculing by ignorant deconstuctive critics accomplishes nothing. Poor Mike Shula had a meh first press conference, after which Finebaum and other muckrakers said he was not a good “fit.” I say all comparisons are odious and we should light a few candles rather than curse the darkness, or we’ll be wandering in the darkness for a dozen years like the Burnt Orange after Pasadena. Never give up or give in. Never concede.

i went down to the Swamp in 1991 and saw Stallings’ second Bama team get crushed 35-0, and all you heard was get rid of Stallings, he was a loser in the NFL, he’ll never win at Alabama. The next week we had an ugly win over UGA at Bryant-Denny, and didn’t lose again for 29 games. Patience, motherfuckers!

 

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58 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

We’re 3-3 in our last 6

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!

You're intentionally drawing a comparison between 3 close losses to Georgia, Ohio State and Ohio State to losses to Vanderbilt (7-6), Tennessee (10-3), OU (6-7), Michigan (8-5) and unranked FSU? Can you elaborate on your thinking? 

1 hour ago, Noozak said:

What's interesting to me is that all the commentary on Ryan Williams is that he hasn't improved. Lazy route running, bad pad height, etc. AJ McCarron went off on him the other day. People are saying he doesn't look any bigger or faster this year either. I guess that goes to the comments up thread about the lack of S&C work. Someone like Williams is likely to be fielding offers from other schools constantly. At what point does he start taking those seriously?

Williams, per consensus on the Bama boards, is making $2.3M minimum this season. If you didn't get a chance to see him in the back half of last year or in the FSU game, that payout might make sense, but I don't see him being worth that. He weighs 170 pounds. Teams after the Vandy game last year started bullying him at the LOS and he struggled to get loose. The back 6 games of last year plus the FSU game, Williams has caught for 246 yards, 35 ypg, and 1 TD (another TD against mighty Mercer running the ball as well). SCar was their 6th game of last season and they were the first defense to fully mug the guy at the LOS.

They devised a really smart solution heading into this season of putting him in the slot and having him run middle of the field slot routes. He went 5 for 30 and got knocked out of the game. He was a complete nonfactor even though, with 11 targets, Bama damned sure wanted that to be the case. 

So, yeah, maybe he heads elsewhere for more money, but I sure as shit hope it isn't Texas being willing to pay it. 

To the point about S&C, I do think the guy needs to add significantly more upper body strength, irrespective of whether that's a lot of additional weight (doesn't have to be). If S&C is broken at Alabama, him going somewhere else might really work, but I still wouldn't say that if $2.3M+ is the asking price.

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5 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!

You're intentionally drawing a comparison between 3 close losses to Georgia, Ohio State and Ohio State to losses to Vanderbilt (7-6), Tennessee (10-3), OU (6-7), Michigan (8-5) and unranked FSU? Can you elaborate on your thinking? 

Williams, per consensus on the Bama boards, is making $2.3M minimum this season. If you didn't get a chance to see him in the back half of last year or in the FSU game, that payout might make sense, but I don't see him being worth that. He weighs 170 pounds. Teams after the Vandy game last year started bullying him at the LOS and he struggled to get loose. The back 6 games of last year plus the FSU game, Williams has caught for 246 yards, 35 ypg, and 1 TD (another TD against mighty Mercer running the ball as well). SCar was their 6th game of last season and they were the first defense to fully mug the guy at the LOS.

They devised a really smart solution heading into this season of putting him in the slot and having him run middle of the field slot routes. He went 5 for 30 and got knocked out of the game. He was a complete nonfactor even though, with 11 targets, Bama damned sure wanted that to be the case. 

So, yeah, maybe he heads elsewhere for more money, but I sure as shit hope it isn't Texas being willing to pay it. 

To the point about S&C, I do think the guy needs to add significantly more upper body strength, irrespective of whether that's a lot of additional weight (doesn't have to be). If S&C is broken at Alabama, him going somewhere else might really work, but I still wouldn't say that if $2.3M+ is the asking price.

I can see Ryan Williams ending up on a similar path to Harold Perkins. Be a 5* recruit, play absolutely out of your mind during a game your freshman year, be declared a generational talent and then proceed to not do much and play out of position while being a massive NIL resource sink.

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A guy like Worthy is also around 170lbs, so it's certainly possible with the right development and scheme. I suppose someone will be stupid enough to pay that much money for him despite his market value being a bit more questionable. I'm sure there are numerous examples of egos for those involved (player/agent/parent) that won't swallow a smaller offer with a better promise of development. 

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6 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

I can see Ryan Williams ending up on a similar path to Harold Perkins. Be a 5* recruit, play absolutely out of your mind during a game your freshman year, be declared a generational talent and then proceed to not do much and play out of position while being a massive NIL resource sink.

The guys on XM 84 have been bragging about Perkins all week after the Clemson game. Maybe he has a bounce back season. Not discrediting your thoughts because I am also a skeptic and he was absolutely a resource drain last year. Arkansas better be on the lookout, though.

5 minutes ago, Noozak said:

A guy like Worthy is also around 170lbs, so it's certainly possible with the right development and scheme. I suppose someone will be stupid enough to pay that much money for him despite his market value being a bit more questionable. I'm sure there are numerous examples of egos for those involved (player/agent/parent) that won't swallow a smaller offer with a better promise of development. 

Regarding Worthy, the guy was ridiculously strong. He could also throw the ball like a QB. He's gifted, physically. 

On the NIL side, one of the most common reasons players leave programs is that they want more or the same money as the prior cycle and the program doesn't see them as worth that. They threaten to find someone who will pay what they ask and the school tells them "you should go do that". Obviously, Iamaleava is the best example of that drama, but closer to home is Amari Niblack, who wanted a re-up after a lost season. ATM was dumb enough to offer to make that happen after Texas passed.

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If we are going to take a WR out of Alabama, Cam Coleman seems like the more likely candidate. Jackson Arnold still can't pass worth a shit, and after Coleman barely gets 40 catches on the season, he might determine he's had enough of the shitty QBs at Auburn.

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Here's an article by one of their writers that goes into a little depth around the money situation at Bama. (Spoiler alert: it's not good) And that they won't be buying Deboer out any time soon.

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    I won't sit here, less than a week removed from a disastrous season-opening loss at Florida State, and preach optimism to Alabama fans. No one wants to hear that right now, and with good reason.

    What we saw in Tallahassee was bad. The issues with scheme and personnel were alarming, but mostly the problem was a lack of effort and toughness, and that's inexcusable.

    I will sit here, now that we're far enough removed from the 31-17 final score and the avalanche of hot takes that followed, and write that it's time to step back, settle in and let the situation develop.

    There's a game on Saturday against Louisiana Monroe, and no one needs to bring their pitch forks to Bryant-Denny Stadium. You're not running Kalen DeBoer out of town -- not yet -- as much as some of you might relish the thought.

     

     

    Alabama's athletic department can't afford to redo Coleman Coliseum. Greg Byrne is looking for cash under mattresses these days, pimping out the grass on Saban Field to raise a few bucks. Do you really think he can snap his fingers and build $70 million worth of buyouts into the budget?

    Think it through: even if Byrne did come up with the money and pulled the trigger, what would be the implications of that? The money for buyouts and new contracts would have to come from somewhere, and my fear is that non-revenue generating sports would be the only offset available to balance the checkbook. Good luck to swimming, tennis and track.

    If all you care about is football, fine, but consider how DeBoer's knee-jerk firing would scare off candidates to replace him. No one worthwhile is going to take a job with no sense of security. See: Auburn, Bryan Harsin. A coaching change would also throw the roster into turmoil yet again, sending the best players and top prospects for the exits. Boosters feel tapped out as it is. Good luck getting them to donate even more money toward NIL for a total rebuild.

    Look, I'm not saying that Alabama is stuck with DeBoer long-term. I just think it's way too soon to call a divorce attorney and start negotiating alimony payments.

    The man's coached 14 games for the Crimson Tide. That's it. And while there are certainly some worrisome through lines during that time, particularly the team's performance on the road, 9-5 is an awfully small sample size to go on versus, say, a 113-17 career record.

    Maybe we'll look back and say FSU was the beginning of the end. Maybe it was just a bad fit from the moment DeBoer was picked to replace Nick Saban. But it was only a season ago that we saw Notre Dame fans calling for Marcus Freeman's head after losing to Northern Illinois, and now they're ready to build a statue for him after making the national championship game.

    Less than a year ago, DeBoer beat Georgia and everyone jumped on the bandwagon with both feet.

    Less than a week ago, Alabama was a popular pick to make the national championship game.

    I get the impulse to hit the panic button after one bad game. I really do since some of the issues feel a continuation of what we saw last year. But every season is different, it's just one game and we need to see how DeBoer, the assistant coaching staff and players respond. If they can get over whatever mental hurdle they have going on and start playing the game with an edge again, that would go a long way in righting the ship.

    DeBoer still believes in this team. He said it after the game, he said it on Monday and he said it again last night.

    "In our program – and this is big picture – we talk about toughness, accountability and a family or brotherhood," DeBoer said on his weekly radio show. "This is when you need it more than ever. You got to stick together. You got to have that group and that brotherhood. It's doing your job and not letting your brother down, right? That meaning something. That's the challenge there, whether it's practice or games, whatever it might be – on or off the field.

    "Then the toughness piece. That's where we got to continue to grow. There's so much work and there's a lot of areas where a lot of people would crumble doing what these guys do each and every day, year-round. These guys – they just got to carry it on the football field. And they will, they will. I really believe in them."

    You may read that and roll your eyes. Maybe you're done with all the talk after an offseason of what feels like broken promises.

    That's understandable.

    This column may fall on deaf ears, too, but what I'm saying is there's really no choice but to let the season play out. If DeBoer doesn't pull Alabama out of this tailspin, maybe you'll get your wish and he'll be fired, the consequences be damned.

    But there's a game on Saturday and it's only the second game of the season.

    Then there's Wisconsin, followed by a bye week and then Georgia.

    There isn't a lot of hope right now, but there are opportunities to get things turned around.

    There's still time for the situation to develop and, perhaps, change.

 

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2 hours ago, Bama Llama said:

I have witnessed Alabama football doing some desert wandering a few times in my 65 or so years of relatively focused and sentient observations. I don’t trash opponents (with one notable exception) and I don’t bail on coaches and bitch about them after the fact.  I don’t give one shit what anyone says on Finebaum or social media.  I am thankful for the effort Paul Bryant, Gene Stallings and Nick Saban put forth when they coached in Tuscaloosa. I am hopelessly addicted to following this team come what may. I was not shocked to see Bryant or Saban retire, don’t blame either of them for wanting peace in their lives. Bryant smoked too many unfiltered Chesterfields to have a retirement break.  I hope Saban has many years and doesn’t make the mistake of returning to corching. I am keeping my promise to give Kalen DeBoer a two year pass and hope he finds success here or somewhere.  All this ridiculing by ignorant deconstuctive critics accomplishes nothing. Poor Mike Shula had a meh first press conference, after which Finebaum and other muckrakers said he was not a good “fit.” I say all comparisons are odious and we should light a few candles rather than curse the darkness, or we’ll be wandering in the darkness for a dozen years like the Burnt Orange after Pasadena. Never give up or give in. Never concede.

i went down to the Swamp in 1991 and saw Stallings’ second Bama team get crushed 35-0, and all you heard was get rid of Stallings, he was a loser in the NFL, he’ll never win at Alabama. The next week we had an ugly win over UGA at Bryant-Denny, and didn’t lose again for 29 games. Patience, motherfuckers!

 

While I appreciate much of your take, your love and resilience for your team, and do agree that small sample sizes and variability certainly apply to college sport outcomes, you have to see the cracks in the DeBoer foundation right now at Alabama. 

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3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Some journalist, and I don't remember who, posted on X the other day that the payments would be monthly until the contract expired. If that's true, there's no lump sum to worry over, therefore canning him might actually be doable. I don't know if what that person wrote is true or not, but I thought that was plausible.

If you're a coach and Bama fires a proven winner just 2 years into his deal, and Saban still looms large over the program, does being the next guy sound that appealing? Any coach on the list of candidates would know fully well that Bama didn't have the same NIL as other programs, putting significant risk on recruiting and retention. Yeah, they have a highly ranked class now, but their retention has been trash. They're always going to have to push and pull in one direction or the other. 

What would that be per month? I think that 90% would also have to go into an escrow account even if dispersed monthly, yeah?

 

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38 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Here's an article by one of their writers that goes into a little depth around the money situation at Bama. (Spoiler alert: it's not good) And that they won't be buying Deboer out any time soon.

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    I won't sit here, less than a week removed from a disastrous season-opening loss at Florida State, and preach optimism to Alabama fans. No one wants to hear that right now, and with good reason.

    What we saw in Tallahassee was bad. The issues with scheme and personnel were alarming, but mostly the problem was a lack of effort and toughness, and that's inexcusable.

    I will sit here, now that we're far enough removed from the 31-17 final score and the avalanche of hot takes that followed, and write that it's time to step back, settle in and let the situation develop.

    There's a game on Saturday against Louisiana Monroe, and no one needs to bring their pitch forks to Bryant-Denny Stadium. You're not running Kalen DeBoer out of town -- not yet -- as much as some of you might relish the thought.

     

     

    Alabama's athletic department can't afford to redo Coleman Coliseum. Greg Byrne is looking for cash under mattresses these days, pimping out the grass on Saban Field to raise a few bucks. Do you really think he can snap his fingers and build $70 million worth of buyouts into the budget?

    Think it through: even if Byrne did come up with the money and pulled the trigger, what would be the implications of that? The money for buyouts and new contracts would have to come from somewhere, and my fear is that non-revenue generating sports would be the only offset available to balance the checkbook. Good luck to swimming, tennis and track.

    If all you care about is football, fine, but consider how DeBoer's knee-jerk firing would scare off candidates to replace him. No one worthwhile is going to take a job with no sense of security. See: Auburn, Bryan Harsin. A coaching change would also throw the roster into turmoil yet again, sending the best players and top prospects for the exits. Boosters feel tapped out as it is. Good luck getting them to donate even more money toward NIL for a total rebuild.

    Look, I'm not saying that Alabama is stuck with DeBoer long-term. I just think it's way too soon to call a divorce attorney and start negotiating alimony payments.

    The man's coached 14 games for the Crimson Tide. That's it. And while there are certainly some worrisome through lines during that time, particularly the team's performance on the road, 9-5 is an awfully small sample size to go on versus, say, a 113-17 career record.

    Maybe we'll look back and say FSU was the beginning of the end. Maybe it was just a bad fit from the moment DeBoer was picked to replace Nick Saban. But it was only a season ago that we saw Notre Dame fans calling for Marcus Freeman's head after losing to Northern Illinois, and now they're ready to build a statue for him after making the national championship game.

    Less than a year ago, DeBoer beat Georgia and everyone jumped on the bandwagon with both feet.

    Less than a week ago, Alabama was a popular pick to make the national championship game.

    I get the impulse to hit the panic button after one bad game. I really do since some of the issues feel a continuation of what we saw last year. But every season is different, it's just one game and we need to see how DeBoer, the assistant coaching staff and players respond. If they can get over whatever mental hurdle they have going on and start playing the game with an edge again, that would go a long way in righting the ship.

    DeBoer still believes in this team. He said it after the game, he said it on Monday and he said it again last night.

    "In our program – and this is big picture – we talk about toughness, accountability and a family or brotherhood," DeBoer said on his weekly radio show. "This is when you need it more than ever. You got to stick together. You got to have that group and that brotherhood. It's doing your job and not letting your brother down, right? That meaning something. That's the challenge there, whether it's practice or games, whatever it might be – on or off the field.

    "Then the toughness piece. That's where we got to continue to grow. There's so much work and there's a lot of areas where a lot of people would crumble doing what these guys do each and every day, year-round. These guys – they just got to carry it on the football field. And they will, they will. I really believe in them."

    You may read that and roll your eyes. Maybe you're done with all the talk after an offseason of what feels like broken promises.

    That's understandable.

    This column may fall on deaf ears, too, but what I'm saying is there's really no choice but to let the season play out. If DeBoer doesn't pull Alabama out of this tailspin, maybe you'll get your wish and he'll be fired, the consequences be damned.

    But there's a game on Saturday and it's only the second game of the season.

    Then there's Wisconsin, followed by a bye week and then Georgia.

    There isn't a lot of hope right now, but there are opportunities to get things turned around.

    There's still time for the situation to develop and, perhaps, change.

 

Without reading any of that I would guess that their revenue isn't that high as an athletic department and they don't really have many giga-wealthy alumni donors willing to fund the bag now that Saban is retired and everyone else is doing it as well. It was easy for them when they were the Big Bad Bag Men of the CFB world.

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

What would that be per month? 
 

 

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Look, I understand that a working knowledge of high finance isn't a requirement for apprentice forklift drivers, but a rudimentary understanding of the basics of cashflow management never hurt anyone. 

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3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Look, I understand that a working knowledge of high finance isn't a requirement for apprentice forklift drivers, but a rudimentary understanding of the basics of cashflow management never hurt anyone. 

So you don’t even want to do the math yourself either. Glad we’re in the same boat. 🤝 

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

Without reading any of that I would guess that their revenue isn't that high as an athletic department and they don't really have many giga-wealthy alumni donors willing to fund the bag now that Saban is retired and everyone else is doing it as well. It was easy for them when they were the Big Bad Bag Men of the CFB world.

Correct. I asked my buddy involved there at the dawn of legal NIL if $5M was too much for them to handle in the new era and they said "there is no way we could handle competing with that."

Now, $5M seems quaint these days, but the problem hasn't really changed for them as the numbers have grown. They used to win recruiting titles each cycle with a budget between $500k and $1M depending upon the year. Ohio State and a few others had more than that, but Saban did actually get a discount most of the time. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

So you don’t even want to do the math yourself either. Glad we’re in the same boat. 

His contract runs through the end of 2031. I refuse to do simple math for a suspected adult. Even you should be able to figure it out using your jumbo indigo crayon and Big Chief tablet. 

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2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

His contract runs through the end of 2031. I refuse to do simple math for a suspected adult. Even you should be able to figure it out using your jumbo indigo crayon and Big Chief tablet. 

Check the edited post you initially quoted. Is that assumption correct about the money? Also it’s like 833-875k a month through 2031 depending on when fired from the above article. 

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Check the edited post you initially quoted. Is that assumption correct about the money? Also it’s like 833-875k a month through 2031 depending on when fired from the above article. 

Alabama is poor right now as it relates to NIL and renovations, but they're not a poor university. Allowing an employee to insist that you escrow the money due to their concerns about your solvency would get someone fired. They're unlikely to get pushed around by an agent/lawyer trying to force them into an escrow account. The whole point of negotiating something like a monthly payout is to avoid something else, like cash crunch by having to fork over the bulk of $60M to someone or a neutral account controlled by a third party. 

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By the way, Saban mentioned he has been walking practices, viewing the team, etc. He already has an office he still uses. That does not sound like a healthy situation to me. 

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2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

By the way, Saban mentioned he has been walking practices, viewing the team, etc. He already has an office he still uses. That does not sound like a healthy situation to me. 

DeBoer was a fool to leave U-Dub for this situation. But he'll enjoy the buyout life for a while before he lands his next gig. The money and Bama's pedigree were too good to pass up.

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

What would that be per month? I think that 90% would also have to go into an escrow account even if dispersed monthly, yeah?

 

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Dude could do whatever he wants and get paid handsomely. He's only 50, though. I imagine he'd want to keep coaching, especially since he previously won everywhere he's been. I wonder if Bama has the typical "income offset" clause in his contract, or not. 

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1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

DeBoer was a fool to leave U-Dub for this situation. But he'll enjoy the buyout life for a while before he lands his next gig. The money and Bama's pedigree were too good to pass up.

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52 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

I wonder if Bama has the typical "income offset" clause in his contract, or not. 

aggy lawyers are the only ones desperate or dumb enough to leave that clause out.

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2 hours ago, MuellerHorn said:

While I appreciate much of your take, your love and resilience for your team, and do agree that small sample sizes and variability certainly apply to college sport outcomes, you have to see the cracks in the DeBoer foundation right now at Alabama. 

I am giving the man two years, but I’m probably the only one in this state doing it.  Stallings was being hanged in effigy at exactly thid point of his tenure. A year after. We were National Champs and pantsed the U like FSU pantsed us. The demanding delusional dilletantes in our fan base will go through two or three coaches if the UA admin lets them. I appreciate your perspective and candor.

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2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Look, I understand that a working knowledge of high finance isn't a requirement for apprentice forklift drivers, but a rudimentary understanding of the basics of cashflow management never hurt anyone. 

 

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

His contract runs through the end of 2031. I refuse to do simple math for a suspected adult. Even you should be able to figure it out using your jumbo indigo crayon and Big Chief tablet. 

Some posts are just pure gold...  Just need hydraulics and a bathroom hall pass to complete the cycle.  😎

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Saban used to buy an entire team of blue chip bad asses for less than Texas Tech spends on 1 overrated HS OT these days. Alabama cant compete at this level anymore unless they go full LSU and steal from the state and charities. They definitely can't go full aggy and pay a coaching staff $70 million to go away. 

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3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

What would that be per month? I think that 90% would also have to go into an escrow account even if dispersed monthly, yeah?

 

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To be honest, I don't think DeBoer has any skeletons in closet that could be used for "just cause".  Our coach, however, does.  Just a thought.

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2 hours ago, UTLonghorn73 said:

To be honest, I don't think DeBoer has any skeletons in closet that could be used for "just cause".  Our coach, however, does.  Just a thought.

Sark's skeletons are public info and not in the closet, unless he's acquired a few more and only a brand new poster with two total posts knows about them. Right now, your post smells like aggy. 

Re DeBoer: His agent is Jimmy Sexton. If Bama tries to fire DeBoer for cause, it better be actual cause, or they won't sniff another good coach for a very long time. 

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4 hours ago, Bama Llama said:

I am giving the man two years, but I’m probably the only one in this state doing it.  Stallings was being hanged in effigy at exactly thid point of his tenure. A year after. We were National Champs and pantsed the U like FSU pantsed us. The demanding delusional dilletantes in our fan base will go through two or three coaches if the UA admin lets them. I appreciate your perspective and candor.

It's not about coaching, it's about culture.  Saban operated a program at an upper level, where most can't just step in and immediately gameplan while juggling player egos, family, agents and other teammates.  Then there's the fans and constant press.  It's damn hard to start under a microscope, and kudos to Saban for building it.   Few can fit those shoes. It may not be immediate, but fuck it up and it may take longer to get a DeBoar type coach in the future .    

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4 hours ago, Bama Llama said:

I am giving the man two years, but I’m probably the only one in this state doing it.  Stallings was being hanged in effigy at exactly thid point of his tenure. A year after. We were National Champs and pantsed the U like FSU pantsed us. The demanding delusional dilletantes in our fan base will go through two or three coaches if the UA admin lets them. I appreciate your perspective and candor.

That's a reasonable take. Coaches need time to build their systems, culture, and recruit. At the same time, it can also be true that there might be real concerns with DeBoer's program at Bama. Either way, as has already been mentioned multiple times, a quick hook with DeBoer will scare off plenty of qualified candidates, especially with Saban still sniffing around that program.

And you're 100% correct about the expectations among fans. No one is going to replace, or emulate, Saban. He's one of one, but also, times sure have hell changed in college football and Bama doesn't have the myriad advantages they used to.

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On 9/4/2025 at 10:14 AM, Texasrocks said:

I thought the same. I figured they would take a step back, but still be really good. Or not. This has a Rich Rod at Michigan vibe.

more like Brady Hoke

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20 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Ryan Williams needs to be moved back to an outside WR.  Otherwise, he'll continue to struggle and get beat up.

Dumb mistake by DeBoer and Grubb... 

Actually Williams was doubled nearly the entire time which allowed Bernard to run free as the outside WR for 150 yards

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15 hours ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

IIRC, I saw a reddit post stating Jimbo and Jon Gruden would be the leading candidates for the Bama job.  Right on!

They should toss Mack Brown into the mix. 

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11 minutes ago, BHMCruiser said:

Actually Williams was doubled nearly the entire time which allowed Bernard to run free as the outside WR for 150 yards

What is your use of the word "actually" meant to imply here? That setting Williams up to be bracketed on the reg is actually strategically intelligent?

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13 hours ago, Pods said:

Sark's skeletons are public info and not in the closet, unless he's acquired a few more and only a brand new poster with two total posts knows about them. Right now, your post smells like aggy. 

Re DeBoer: His agent is Jimmy Sexton. If Bama tries to fire DeBoer for cause, it better be actual cause, or they won't sniff another good coach for a very long time. 

Sark has an aggy skeleton in his closet from last season. 

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Kalen DeBoer said Bama had a "great week of practice" after the FSU game. Reminds me of a certain coach who always talked about how "we had a great practice on Sunday" after a loss. 

Oct-5-2019-Morgantown-WV-USA-Texas-Longh

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21 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

aggy lawyers are the only ones desperate or dumb enough to leave that clause out.

Actually, you don't even need such a clause, mitigation of damages mostly builds that in

You actively have to disclaim mitigation to get the aggy result.

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