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2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

not like he was banging 5 year olds !!!!

 

1 hour ago, Dutchrudder said:

The 15 vs 8 year old thing may come into play if the trial is in Florida, since they just passed a law allowing the death penalty for pdf files who abuse children under 12. How awesome would it be if he's sentenced to death under a law passed by 'Meatball Ron'?

note to self: uninstall Adobe immediately!

 

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1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

Megyn Kelly is profoundly dumb. Three years under the age of consent is not “legal,” not even “barely.” 

Yeah, but it’s ’different.’ Checkmate.

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How fitting would it be if a bunch of emails ruin Trump after he spent his whole 2016 campaign complaining about Hillary's emails??  Every accusation is a confession really rings true...

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Who is in charge of Epstein's estate and why did they release these documents? Wonder if they also think Dear Leader had Jeff killed.

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How fitting would it be if a bunch of emails ruin Trump after he spent his whole 2016 campaign complaining about Hillary's emails??  Every accusation is a confession really rings true...

Whoever the show-runner is now will probably conclude the series that way in the big finale.
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2 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

So are we just not going to talk about Donald Trump sucking Bill's dick?

If that photo exists it would sum up American politics over the past 35 years or so.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

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Shocked Nate Burleson GIF by DraftKings

Sometimes it seems like Newsome is the only major Democratic politician who has any idea at all about how to do politics. How did the rest of these clowns ever get into office? 

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The fucking timing of Prince Andrew and Trump meeting and then Epstein suiciding a few weeks later.  Purely coincidental.

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50 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Who is in charge of Epstein's estate and why did they release these documents? Wonder if they also think Dear Leader had Jeff killed.

Subpoena from Congressional Committee, I believe.

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If that photo exists it would sum up American politics over the past 35 years or so.

30 Rock shut it down gif.

Maybe the simulation would reset itself at that point. Like in that documentary that was one of the Matrix sequels.
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22 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Every degree that the Epstein story gets ratcheted up....increases the odds of Venezuela getting fucking bombed to Bolivian significantly.

 

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21 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Seriously.  I've read communications between powerful people doing bad things.  They don't hide it, at all, BECAUSE they are powerful.  Which means they are above it all.  Even when reality crashes in, and imposes consequences, they remain unbelieving to the very end.  

This is correct. War story. When I was a baby lawyer, we somehow got involved in a civil Rico case against Mellon Bank in federal court. The short version is they were selling home mortgage financing with negative amortization aspects that were supposed to be approved under Fannie Mae underwriting guidelines.

They sold the loan packages, but nobody could get their clients approved because they used far stricter underwriting instead of the guidelines mandated by the contracts. Mellon kept loaning more money to builders to keep them afloat, and they got further in depth until they went bankrupt and Mellon swooped in and bought all the properties at $.10 on the dollar.

I flew to Pittsburgh to depose the vice president in charge of the program, who was thoroughly unimpressed at me and our Rico suit.   Arrogant and insulting was the tone of the day, and his superiority dripped from every word.   On a hunch, one of my final questions was, “When you learned the underwriting guidelines we’re not being followed, I guess that put Mellon in a bad place because it did not have the funds to meet the loan obligations.”

He answered by laughing, and then telling me I knew nothing about the financial world and the financial solvency of Mellon Bank.   His last line “We could’ve fully funded if we wanted to” became the reason I defeated the summery  judgment and got to trial, and the reason they gave us a seven figure settlement. 

I literally learned that there is much fruit to be picked if you went as high up the tree as they would let you.  Those captains of industry were so arrogant they could not be bothered to learn anything about the facts of the case or the legal theories involved. You just interrupt their golf games and mistress meetings.   And I would bet my house that there were no negative consequences to him for me winning my piddly lawsuit.  As brisket says, they truly have almost no consequences as a downside.

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3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

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Is that from Sideways?  Sure looks like Giamatti from the side.  I just don't remember that scene.

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Also, I find it ironic that Ghizlane Maxwell's email is "GMAX" but she's in minimum security prison.  Irony is dead.

And another thing, I just saw someone on TV saying what the Justice Dept has on Trump is a million times more damning that what has been released.  I also saw Thomas Massie read off descriptions of men in the Epstein list but not name names.  Is there some reason they can't talk about this?  If someone like Trump has a problem with that then lets do a lawsuit and all that big beautiful discover.  

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8 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

This is correct. War story. When I was a baby lawyer, we somehow got involved in a civil Rico case against Mellon Bank in federal court. The short version is they were selling home mortgage financing with negative amortization aspects that were supposed to be approved under Fannie Mae underwriting guidelines.

They sold the loan packages, but nobody could get their clients approved because they used far stricter underwriting instead of the guidelines mandated by the contracts. Mellon kept loaning more money to builders to keep them afloat, and they got further in depth until they went bankrupt and Mellon swooped in and bought all the properties at $.10 on the dollar.

I flew to Pittsburgh to depose the vice president in charge of the program, who was thoroughly unimpressed at me and our Rico suit.   Arrogant and insulting was the tone of the day, and his superiority dripped from every word.   On a hunch, one of my final questions was, “When you learned the underwriting guidelines we’re not being followed, I guess that put Mellon in a bad place because it did not have the funds to meet the loan obligations.”

He answered by laughing, and then telling me I knew nothing about the financial world and the financial solvency of Mellon Bank.   His last line “We could’ve fully funded if we wanted to” became the reason I defeated the summery  judgment and got to trial, and the reason they gave us a seven figure settlement. 

I literally learned that there is much fruit to be picked if you went as high up the tree as they would let you.  Those captains of industry were so arrogant they could not be bothered to learn anything about the facts of the case or the legal theories involved. You just interrupt their golf games and mistress meetings.   And I would bet my house that there were no negative consequences to him for me winning my piddly lawsuit.  As brisket says, they truly have almost no consequences as a downside.

And...yep.  The cross-examination of Colonel Jessup, and the observation that "I think he WANTS to say it" (that he ordered the code red) was not made up.  It's how people (mostly men) like him operate.

I've examined witnesses like him - and yeah, that often happens.  Get them going, and they will give you the "fuck yeah we did" answer of some sort (it's usually not as dramatic as Jessup's, but sometimes just as meaningful).  And yeah....I've also defended a couple of witnesses like that.  And there is no controlling them or "training that tendency out of them."  They are who they are, and no piss-ant lawyer's gonna tell 'em what to do.  Occasionally, the smarter ones will later sheepishly acknowledge "well, I guess I made a pretty big mess for you to clean up."  The only proper answer is "yes you did.  But that's what you're paying me for."  If you bill by the hour....those can be good clients/witnesses to have.

There are some interesting observations here that I do wish more of the general population actually knew and understood (e.g., how the rich and powerful don't conceal their shitbaggery).  There's probably a good list of "shit we have learned about people over the years" that we should compile.  Lawyers have a lot of such lessons/perspectives, but I know that engineers, managers, and the like, have their own observed truths to share too.

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

here are some interesting observations here that I do wish more of the general population actually knew and understood (e.g., how the rich and powerful don't conceal their shitbaggery).  There's probably a good list of "shit we have learned about people over the years" that we should compile.  Lawyers have a lot of such lessons/perspectives, but I know that engineers, managers, and the like, have their own observed truths to share too.

The person doesn't even need to be that rich or powerful.  Back when I was in private practice, my boss got the owner of a middling, unbranded-gasoline distribution company to admit to participating in a price-fixing scheme during her deposition.  He kept dancing around asking the question because you don't want to let them answer "No" necessarily.  But he had his Gessup moment and finally flat out asked her, "Did you participate in price-fixing scheme."  She looked at him and answered, "Yes."  No.  Further. Questions.

 

He wasn't even a very good lawyer.

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1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

If that photo exists it would sum up American politics over the past 35 years or so.

It might explain why Trump didn't get an invite to Chelsea's wedding.  

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3 hours ago, Post Oak said:

This was the highpoint of MKs career.  What a plummet 

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I think Megyn Kelly's comments are technically correct, from a psychology classification stand point.  

But the fact she feels the need to make the point now makes me wonder if there is a homeroom teacher Megyn still remembers fondly. 

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9 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I think Megyn Kelly's comments are technically correct, from a psychology classification stand point.

It's the psychological distinction between "attracted to pre-pubescent" vs. "attracted to post-pubescent."

But legally and morally -- which is Megyn's field, she's no fucking psychologist -- that distinction don't make a shit.  An adult male being predatorial towards an 8 yr old girl vs. a 14 year old girl makes not a bit of fucking difference.

Megyn's an evil bitch.

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It's the psychological distinction between "attracted to pre-pubescent" vs. "attracted to post-pubescent."
But legally and morally -- which is Megyn's field, she's no fucking psychologist -- that distinction don't make a shit.  An adult male being predatorial towards an 8 yr old girl vs. a 14 year old girl makes not a bit of fucking difference.
Megyn's an evil bitch.

She has always been a horrible human. Wood. Sadly. But wood.
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6 minutes ago, Nivek said:


She has always been a horrible human. Wood. Sadly. But wood.

Oh, I mean....yeah, that goes without saying.  Evil bitches can still be hot.  Hell, sometimes the "evil" part adds a point.

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I honestly don't really understand her point. Like if someone said "Losing 42-3 in football isn't really a blowout. 77-0 is a blowout." 

Well, they both are. I guess one is technically worse than the other, but aiming to pick up 13-15 year-olds as a strategy is most definitely pedophilia. 

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They are trying to say Giuffre denied it under oath. No one is going to believe an Esptein whore/hooker statements. Obviously has no credibility.  What will be damning is when the House releases all of Giuffres texts/emails from those years where she brags/details about hooking up with Trump and the others to her friends, girlfriends, Maxwell, etc…

Her discovery file (and the other women who fucked Trump) is going to get good.

I’m way behind on this thread, but it’s weird that you refer to a trafficking/sexual abuse victim as a “whore/hooker”.
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6 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

not like he was banging 5 year olds !!!!

 

Megyn Kelly when she realized Epstein was raping 15 year old girls instead of 8 year olds....

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On 11/12/2025 at 2:15 PM, Lamar said:

Maybe I’m over simplifying this….

The victim is named in the email. I assume he/she has already been contacted interviewed, age verified, asked under oath if Trump had sexual contact etc….  Please tell me Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, someone with control of this information over the last 7+ years has already done this? Once the victim’s age is confirmed and their statement is taken Trump is immediately arrested. No need for Epstein, or Maxwell?


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Virginia Giuffre
Born    Virginia Louise Roberts
August 9, 1983
Sacramento, California, U.S.
Died    April 25, 2025 (aged 41)
Neergabby, Western Australia, Australia
Citizenship    
United States/Australia
Organization    Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR), formerly known as Victims Refuse Silence
Known for    Advocate of justice for sex trafficking survivors
Spouse    Robert Giuffre

(m. 2002; sep. 2024)
Children    3
Virginia Louise Giuffre (/ˈdʒuːfreɪ/, JOO-fray; née Roberts; August 9, 1983 – April 25, 2025) was an American and Australian[1] advocate[2] for survivors of sex trafficking and one of the most prominent accusers[3] of the child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. In 2015, Giuffre founded Victims Refuse Silence, a U.S. non-profit organization dedicated to supporting survivors.[4][5] The organization was relaunched as Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR) in November 2021. She provided detailed accounts to numerous American and British reporters about being trafficked by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.[6][7]

Giuffre pursued criminal and civil actions against Epstein and Maxwell while appealing directly to the public for justice and awareness.[8] She sued Maxwell for defamation in 2015; the case was settled in Giuffre's favor in 2017 for an undisclosed sum.[9] On July 2, 2019, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ordered the unsealing of documents from Giuffre's civil suit against Maxwell.[10] The first batch of documents was released on August 9, 2019,[11] further implicating Epstein, Maxwell, and their associates. The following day, Epstein was found dead in his Manhattan prison cell.[12]

In a December 2019 BBC Panorama interview, Giuffre described being trafficked by Epstein to Britain's Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, which shifted public opinion against the former prince.[13][14] She later sued Mountbatten-Windsor in a New York civil court. The suit was settled in February 2022; Prince Andrew paid Giuffre an undisclosed amount and made a substantial donation to her charity.[15][16] Giuffre died by suicide in April 2025. Her memoir Nobody's Girl was published posthumously in October 2025.

Early life
Virginia Louise Roberts[17] was born in Sacramento, California on August 9, 1983 to Lynn Trude Cabell and Sky William Roberts.[18][19] She had an elder half-brother, Daniel Scott Wilson, from her mother's previous marriage, and a younger brother, Sky Rocket Roberts.[18] The family relocated to Loxahatchee in Palm Beach County, Florida, when she was four years old.[20] It was reported that she had come from a "troubled home"[21] and, from the age of seven, was molested by a close family friend.[4] In her memoir, Giuffre stated that she was abused by her father from as early as the age of seven and that he might have received payments from Jeffrey Epstein at some point, allegations which he denied.[22] "I was just so mentally scarred already at such a young age, and I ran away from that", she said on Panorama in 2019.[23] Giuffre told the Miami Herald that she went from being in "an abusive situation, to being a runaway, to living in foster homes".[24] She lived on the streets at age 14, where she says she found only "hunger and pain and [more] abuse".[23] Later she was abused by a sex trafficker, Ron Eppinger, in Miami.[25] Giuffre lived with Eppinger for approximately six months.[17] Eppinger reportedly ran a front business for international sex trafficking known as the modeling agency "Perfect 10".[26] He was raided by the FBI and later pleaded guilty to charges of alien smuggling for prostitution, interstate travel for prostitution, and money laundering.[26]

At the age of 14, Giuffre reunited with her father and returned to live with him. Her father worked as a maintenance manager at the Mar-a-Lago property owned by Donald Trump, and helped Giuffre obtain a job there.[13] She attended Royal Palm Beach High School.[27]

Association with Jeffrey Epstein (2000–2002)
In mid-2000,[28][29] Giuffre met Ghislaine Maxwell when working as a spa attendant at Donald Trump's private Mar-a-Lago club while reading a book about massage therapy.[21] Maxwell, a British socialite and daughter of media tycoon Robert Maxwell, approached Giuffre, noted the book that she was reading, inquired about her interest in massage, and offered her a potential job working for Epstein as a traveling masseuse with the assurance that no experience was necessary.[21] When Giuffre arrived at Epstein's Palm Beach home, she says he was lying down, naked, and Maxwell told her how to massage him. "They seemed like nice people so I trusted them, and I told them I'd had a really hard time in my life up until then—I'd been a runaway, I'd been sexually abused, physically abused. ... That was the worst thing I could have told them because now they knew how vulnerable I was", Giuffre stated.[23] Giuffre stated that after Maxwell introduced her to Jeffrey Epstein, the two quickly began grooming her to provide sexual services, under the guise that she was to be trained as a professional massage therapist.[30]

Between 2000 and 2002, Giuffre was closely associated with Epstein and Maxwell, traveling between Epstein's residences in Palm Beach and Manhattan (at the Herbert N. Straus House), with additional trips to Epstein's Zorro Ranch in New Mexico and private island Little Saint James.[31] In the Miami Herald's investigative journalism series "Perversion of Justice", Giuffre describes her experiences of being trafficked by Epstein to provide massages and sexual services for him and a number of his business associates, over a two-and-a-half-year period.[32] In her interview with the BBC, Giuffre said she was "passed around like a platter of fruit" to Epstein's powerful associates, and taken around the world on private jets.[23]

Of the instance in March 2001 that Giuffre was allegedly trafficked to Prince Andrew, she stated in an interview that it was a "wicked" and "really scary time" in her life, and that she "couldn't comprehend how in the highest level of the government powerful people were allowing this to happen. Not just allowing but participating in it".[13][33] After visiting a nightclub, Giuffre says Maxwell told her that she "had to do for Andrew what I do for Jeffrey".[23] In court documents from a civil suit that were released from seal in 2019, Giuffre named several others that she claims Epstein and Maxwell instructed her to have sex with, including hedge fund manager Glenn Dubin, attorney Alan Dershowitz, politician Bill Richardson, MIT scientist Marvin Minsky, lawyer George J. Mitchell, and MC2 modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel.[34][11] Many of the men denied Giuffre's allegations.[34][6]

In September 2002, at the age of 19, Giuffre flew to Thailand and attended the International Training Massage School[35][36] in Chiang Mai.[37] Maxwell provided her with tickets to travel to Thailand, and instructed her to meet with a specific Thai girl, and to bring her back to the United States for Epstein.[38] While at the massage school in Thailand in 2002, she met Robert Giuffre, an Australian martial arts trainer, and the two married quickly thereafter.[20] She contacted Epstein and informed him that she would not be returning as planned. She and her husband started a life and family in Australia, and Giuffre broke off contact with Epstein and Maxwell.[30] For five years, Giuffre and her husband lived a quiet life in Australia with their young children.

First contact by authorities
In March 2005, while Giuffre was still establishing her family in Australia, the Palm Beach Police Department began investigating Epstein after a 14-year-old girl and her parents reported his behavior.[39] The girl described being recruited by a female classmate from her high school to give Epstein a massage at his mansion in exchange for money, wherein he subsequently molested her.[24][39] By October 2005, the police had a growing list of girls with similar claims of sexual abuse, statements from Epstein's butlers corroborating their claims, and a search warrant for his Palm Beach property.[39]

Police detectives noted that the accusers all described a similar pattern,[40] where Epstein would ask them to massage him and then sexually assault them during the massage. When police searched through Epstein's trash, they found notes with the telephone numbers of the girls on them.[39] One of the girls was called by Epstein's assistant while being questioned by police.[39]

Giuffre told the Miami Herald that she received a series of phone calls in rapid succession over three days in 2007. The first call was from Maxwell, then one day later came a call from Epstein, both of whom asked if she had spoken to authorities. These were followed by a third call from an FBI agent, who stated that Giuffre had been identified as a victim during the first criminal case against Epstein.[41] She resisted speaking at length to the FBI until she was approached again about the matter in person, this time by the Australian Federal Police, six months after being contacted by phone.[41][42]

Photos, records and witnesses confirm large parts of Giuffre's statements about her time with Epstein.[43][44]

Legal proceedings
First criminal case against Epstein
In 2006, a year before Giuffre was first contacted by authorities, the Palm Beach Police Department had a growing body of evidence against Epstein, and signed a probable cause affidavit charging him with multiple counts of unlawful sex acts with a minor.[39] Epstein hired a team of powerful lawyers, including Alan Dershowitz, Jack Goldberger, Ken Starr, and Jay Lefkowitz, to serve in his defense.[40] As the case progressed, Police Chief Michael Reiter became alarmed at the handling of the case by state prosecutors and then state attorney, Barry Krischer.[40] On May 1, 2006, Reiter asked Krischer to remove himself from the case; when Krischer declined, Police Chief Reiter turned his evidence over to the FBI for federal prosecution.[40][45] While Reiter was initially hopeful that the FBI would thoroughly investigate and move the matter to a conclusion, in 2007, then South Florida U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta decided not to prosecute Epstein in federal court and referred the matter back to the local jurisdiction.[40]

Lead police detective Joseph Recarey said that the state prosecutors were at first eager to pursue criminal action against Epstein, but that "everything took a turn" when lawyer Alan Dershowitz got involved.[45] Krischer then decided to take the unusual action of turning Epstein's case over to a grand jury, and then presented testimony from only one girl. Epstein's legal team aggressively sought concessions and prolonged the process when negotiating a plea deal with Acosta.[46] Acosta, who described the tactics of Epstein's lawyers as a "year-long assault on the prosecution and prosecutors", eventually agreed to sign a controversial non-prosecution agreement in 2008, which was done without informing the victims,[46] later determined to be in violation of the Crime Victims' Rights Act.[47]

Reiter expressed that the state and federal prosecutors' handling of the Epstein case amounted to "the worst failure of the criminal justice system" in modern times.[40]

Crime Victims' Rights Act lawsuit (2008–2019)
In 2008, a lawsuit (Jane Doe v. United States of America) was filed by Bradley Edwards and Paul G. Cassell that accused the U.S. Justice Department of violating the Crime Victims' Rights Act during the first criminal case against Epstein by failing to allow several of his victims to challenge his plea deal.[48] Epstein sued Bradley Edwards for civil racketeering but later dropped his suit; Edwards countersued for malicious prosecution, with the result that Epstein issued a public apology to the lawyer and settled the case for an undisclosed sum in December 2018.[49][50] Edwards, who represents several Epstein accusers in addition to Giuffre, reportedly settled in aid of his clients, whose greatest wish was to pursue their larger objective of having their allegations heard in a federal court in order to overturn the non-prosecution agreement.[46] Edwards stated that "They're willing to talk. They want to share their stories. This was part of their healing."[46]

In a February 2019 ruling, District Judge Kenneth Marra determined that prosecutors had violated victims' rights as defined by the Crime Victims' Rights Act.[47]

Victims' civil suit
In May 2009, Giuffre filed a lawsuit as Jane Doe 102 against Epstein and accused Maxwell of recruiting her to a life of being sexually trafficked while she was a minor.[28][51] By late 2009, dozens of Epstein's victims had filed civil lawsuits against him. All suits were settled for undisclosed amounts.[30] In January 2022, unsealed documents revealed that the settlement amount of the 2009 case, entitled Jane Doe No. 102 vs. Jeffrey Epstein, was $500,000 (equivalent to $733,000 in 2024) and other unspecified "valuable consideration".[52]

Decision to speak out publicly
Blue Morpho
Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR) uses a blue butterfly as a symbol of transformation and empowerment for survivors of sexual abuse.
Giuffre credited the birth of her daughter on January 7, 2010, as the date she decided to come forward publicly and begin speaking out about her experiences of sexual abuse and trafficking, despite the risks.[53][54] Vanity Fair stated that Giuffre's story was first publicized in March 2011 by the Mail on Sunday; the coverage included the photo showing Prince Andrew with his arm around her at Maxwell's house in Belgravia, London.[55] FBI agents again made contact with Giuffre, this time at the US consulate in Sydney in 2011, soon after she went public with allegations against Epstein.[36]

In December 2014, Giuffre set up the framework for her organization Victims Refuse Silence.[17][56] It was registered as a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization in 2015.[5] The objective of Victims Refuse Silence is to "help survivors surmount the shame, silence, and intimidation typically experienced by victims of sexual abuse, and to help others to escape becoming victims of sex trafficking".[57] For her organization, Giuffre used imagery of a blue Morpho butterfly to symbolize the transformation and empowerment that occurs when a victim becomes a survivor. Blue is the international color of human trafficking awareness.[58] The United States has designated January as Human Trafficking Awareness Month with January 11 listed as National Wear Blue Day.[59] Giuffre's charity was relaunched in November 2021 under the name Speak Out, Act, Reclaim (SOAR).[60]

Prince Andrew allegations and settlement

Prince Andrew at the National Memorial Arboretum in 2011
In a December 2014 Florida court filing, intended for inclusion in the 2008 Crime Victims' Rights Act lawsuit, Giuffre described being sexually trafficked to Prince Andrew at least three times in 2001 when she was 17.[61][62] She stated that Epstein and Maxwell took her to Tramp nightclub in London, where she met and danced with Andrew[61] and that later that night, while en route to Maxwell's Belgravia residence, Maxwell instructed Giuffre to "do for (Prince Andrew) what you do for Epstein".[63] She alleged that Epstein paid her $15,000 after she had sex with Prince Andrew in London.[64]

A photo that shows Giuffre, Prince Andrew and Maxwell in Maxwell's apartment has been widely circulated since 2011. Prince Andrew's ten-year role as a United Kingdom trade envoy was terminated in July 2011, and he reportedly cut all ties with Epstein.[65][66] Maxwell, while serving her prison sentence, stated to several interviewers that she believed the photograph was fake.[67][68] Following the allegations, The Mail on Sunday, which first published the photograph in 2011, was contacted by the photographer Michael Thomas, who took 39 copies of it, front and back. The back of the photo has a time stamp showing it was developed on March 13, 2001 – three days after Andrew allegedly engaged in sexual activity with Giuffre – and it was printed at a one-hour photo lab at Walgreens in Florida near Giuffre's former home.[69]

The second sexual encounter with Andrew allegedly happened at Epstein's New York mansion.[70] In court documents, Giuffre stated that the third encounter with Prince Andrew was an orgy on Little Saint James that involved her, several underage girls from Eastern Europe, the prince, and Epstein himself.[30]

In 2015, spokespersons for the British royal family stated that "any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue", later repeating the denials.[71] Requests from Giuffre's lawyers for a statement under oath from the Prince about the allegations were returned unanswered.[72]

In her posthumous memoir Nobody's Girl, Giuffre stated that she first had sex with Andrew on March 10, 2001.[73]

Launch of civil lawsuit: Virginia Giuffre v. Prince Andrew (2021) and settlement
Main article: Virginia Giuffre v. Prince Andrew
On August 9, 2021, Giuffre filed a civil lawsuit in New York against Prince Andrew alleging that she was forced to have several sexual encounters with him in the early 2000s after being trafficked by Epstein when she was 16 and 17 years old.[74][75] Andrew denied Giuffre's claims. On January 12, 2022, Judge Lewis A. Kaplan rejected Andrew's attempts to dismiss the case, allowing the sexual abuse lawsuit to proceed.[76][77]

On February 15, 2022, the parties reached an out-of-court settlement, which included the prince making a substantial donation to Giuffre's charity.[15][16][78] As part of the settlement, Prince Andrew acknowledged that it is "known that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked countless young girls over many years" and that he "regrets his association with Epstein, and commends the bravery of Ms. Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others".[15] Andrew pledged to "demonstrate his regret for his association with Epstein by supporting the fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and by supporting its victims".[79]

The settlement was estimated to be as high as £12 million, part of which went to SOAR (Speak Out, Act, Reclaim), the advocacy charity for survivors of sex trafficking that Giuffre had founded.[80] In August 2022, The Sun newspaper reported the settlement figure to be around £3 million, much lower than the values initially reported.[81]

Alleged attempt by Andrew to smear Giuffre
On October 18, 2025, it was reported that Andrew had instructed one of his taxpayer‑funded personal bodyguard officers to investigate Giuffre. This would include ensuring that he would be provided with her date of birth and U.S. Social Security number in an apparent attempt to "dig up dirt" on her, just before the widely circulated photograph of them together came to light.[82] The next day, the Metropolitan Police announced they were assessing the alleged misuse of police resources, as well as the claim that Andrew "pressured" the personal bodyguard to "dig up dirt" on Giuffre.[83][84]

Alan Dershowitz allegations and related lawsuits
Giuffre claims that Epstein sex trafficked her to lawyer and Harvard law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz at least six times, the first when she was aged 16.[30] He denied the claims.[30] Dershowitz represented Epstein in his 2008 criminal conviction and helped to negotiate the controversial non-prosecution agreement on his behalf.[85]

The claims first appeared in a December 30, 2014, Florida court filing by lawyers Bradley J. Edwards and Paul G. Cassell which alleged that Dershowitz was one of several prominent figures, including Prince Andrew, to have participated in sexual activities with a minor later identified as Giuffre.[62] The affidavit from Giuffre was meant for inclusion as part of the 2008 lawsuit (Jane Doe v. USA) accusing the Justice Department of violating the Crime Victims Rights Act during Epstein's first criminal case.[48] Dershowitz vehemently denied the allegations in Giuffre's statement and sought disbarment of Edwards and Cassell, the lawyers filing the suit.[85][86][87] Edwards and Cassell sued Dershowitz for defamation in 2015; he countersued.[28] The two parties settled in 2016 for an undisclosed financial sum.[88]

Following denials by Dershowitz, Giuffre stated, "I'm not going to be bullied back into silence."[87]

In 2014, Giuffre was represented by Stanley Pottinger, whose firm specializes in sex abuse cases involving women and children.[29] Anticipating the challenges that awaited Giuffre in accusing extremely wealthy and powerful individuals, Pottinger looked for another lawyer that could match this.[29] At the request of Pottinger, David Boies and his firm Boies Schiller Flexner began representing Giuffre pro bono in 2014.[29] Boies represents several of Epstein's accusers. In addition to Boies, attorneys for Giuffre include Brad Edwards and Paul Cassell.[89]

Launch of civil lawsuit: Virginia Giuffre v. Alan Dershowitz (2019)
In April 2019, Giuffre filed a federal civil defamation lawsuit against Alan Dershowitz in New York,[29][90] with David Boies as her lawyer.[91]

That same month, Maria Farmer filed an affidavit in support of Giuffre's defamation suit against Dershowitz which stated that while Farmer worked signing in guests at Epstein's front desk in 1995–1996, she had regularly encountered Dershowitz at the New York mansion at times when underage girls were present.[90]

In June, Dershowitz filed a motion to dismiss Giuffre's suit (which was later denied)[92] and a motion to disqualify Boies' firm from representing her (which was later approved).[28][93] Giuffre stated in September 2019 that she continued to stand by her claims of misconduct by Dershowitz.[93] Dershowitz accused Boies of pressuring Giuffre to provide false testimony, in response to which Boies sued Dershowitz in November 2019 for defamation.[92]

In October 2019, Charles Cooper took over representation of Giuffre in the defamation suit against Dershowitz after a judge ruled that Boies could not continue as Giuffre's lawyer because Dershowitz's claim that she conspired with her attorneys to make false claims had turned Boies into a potential witness.[94] Boies filed a separate defamation lawsuit against Dershowitz for implying that he had pressured Giuffre into making false claims.[95]

A 2020 court filing by Dershowitz in the case brought to light that Giuffre claimed that she had been sexually assaulted by Ehud Barak after being trafficked to him by Epstein. Both Dershowitz and Barak denied the validity of Giuffre's claims.[96]

All claims were dismissed on November 8, 2022, after attorneys for Giuffre, Boies, and Dershowitz filed joint stipulations, and no fees were awarded to either side. Giuffre stated she may have been mistaken in identifying Dershowitz.[97]

Additional civil cases
Virginia Roberts affidavit (2014)
Giuffre filed court papers in Florida in January 2015, stating that Epstein trafficked her to Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz.[39] In a sworn affidavit, she claims Maxwell worked as Epstein's madam.[39] In April 2015, a federal judge ruled that Giuffre could not join the federal Crime Victims' Rights Act lawsuit, and her affidavit was stricken from the case.[39]

Virginia Giuffre v. Ghislaine Maxwell (2015)
As a result of Giuffre's allegations and Maxwell's comments about them, Giuffre sued Maxwell for defamation in federal court in New York in September 2015.[39] After much legal confrontation, the case was settled under seal in June 2017 with Maxwell reportedly paying Giuffre "millions".[39][98] On January 8, 2024, the court unsealed documents related to this lawsuit, totaling 4,553 pages and revealing the names of over 150 people connected to Epstein.[99]

Rina Oh v. Virginia Giuffre (2021)
Rina Oh sued Giuffre for defamation in October 2021 in Manhattan federal court, for $20 million in damages.[100] The lawsuit referenced a series of tweets Giuffre made which accused Oh of helping traffic girls for Epstein, while Oh maintained she was a victim who had never helped traffickers.[100] Oh acknowledged that she introduced three young women to Epstein including Marijke Chartouni,[101] and that she had taken Giuffre shopping for a schoolgirl outfit on Epstein's orders.[102] In 2022 in court documents, Oh accused Giuffre of touching her sexually without consent while Epstein watched, but Giuffre denied the claim.[103] Giuffre filed a counterclaim in May 2022 alleging that Oh had cut her during sadomasochistic games done for Epstein.[104]

Second criminal case against Epstein
Jeffrey Epstein was arrested on July 6, 2019, at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey[105] and charged with sex trafficking and sex trafficking conspiracy by prosecutors with the Public Corruption Unit of the Southern District of New York[106] In the indictment, Epstein was accused of soliciting massages from underage girls where the activities became increasingly sexual and then of enlisting the girls to recruit other underage victims for pay.[106] U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York appealed for other victims of Epstein to come forward.[106] The federal indictment also listed the key role of Epstein's paid "employees and associates" responsible for scheduling victims.[106]

One month after his arrest, Epstein was found dead on August 10, 2019, after reportedly hanging himself in his Manhattan prison cell.[12][107]

On August 29, 2019, in the wake of Epstein's death 19 days prior, the case against Epstein was closed after District Judge Richard Berman dismissed all sex trafficking charges.[108][109] Judge Berman expressed support for Epstein's accusers, stating that he invited them to speak publicly at a hearing on August 27, 2019, out of "respect" for "the difficult decisions victims made to come forward".[108] Giuffre was among the 16 women who spoke publicly at the hearing, which included Anouska De Georgiou, Sarah Ransome, Jennifer Araoz, Chauntae Davies, Courtney Wild, Theresa J. Helm, and Marijke Chartouni.[110] At the hearing, Giuffre stated, "The reckoning must not end. It must continue. He did not act alone. We the victims know that." Prosecutors signaled that they would continue an investigation for potential co-conspirators.[109]

Media coverage and appearances
Giuffre appeared on a special edition of Dateline NBC with Savannah Guthrie discussing the Epstein scandal along with victims Anouska De Georgiou, Rachel Benavidez, Jennifer Araoz, Marijke Chartouni and Chauntae Davies.[111] The special, titled "Reckoning", aired on September 20, 2019.[111]

Giuffre was interviewed for the 60 Minutes Australia investigation that aired on November 10, 2019.[112][113] In the program she described her experiences of being trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell to have sex with Prince Andrew three times in 2001: the first time being in London at Maxwell's Belgravia residence, the second at Epstein's New York mansion, and the final occurrence (involving multiple girls and the Prince) on Little Saint James.[113]

Giuffre also gave an interview in October 2019 to the BBC, and described her experience of being sex-trafficked by Epstein to Prince Andrew for a Panorama special, "The Prince and the Epstein Scandal", which aired on December 2, 2019.[8][13] In the program, Giuffre directly appealed to the public by stating, "I implore the people in the UK to stand up beside me, to help me fight this fight, to not accept this as being ok."[13]

BBC reporter Emily Maitlis conducted a Newsnight interview with Prince Andrew, discussing Giuffre's allegations and his friendship with Epstein, which aired on November 16, 2019. The reaction to the Prince's conduct during the interview was one of overwhelming disapproval; this, combined with Giuffre's public appeal, resulted in a widespread shift in opinion by the British people.[13][14] The prince resigned from his royal duties on November 20, 2019, as a number of organizations and charities that he was connected to severed ties.[114][115] Despite the Prince's promises to assist authorities, in January 2020, U.S. attorney Geoffrey Berman stated that Prince Andrew had provided "zero cooperation" after the FBI and the Southern District of New York had requested to interview him as part of the Epstein inquiry.[116]

In July 2020, following Maxwell's federal indictment, Giuffre was interviewed by Gayle King for CBS This Morning.[117]

Giuffre and other survivors of Epstein's sex trafficking ring were featured in the four-part documentary series Surviving Jeffrey Epstein, which premiered on August 9, 2020, on Lifetime.[118]

Manuscript and memoir
Giuffre's unpublished manuscript The Billionaire's Playboy Club describes her experiences with Epstein and a man identified as Eppinger. Though never commercially released, the manuscript was filed as evidence during her 2015 lawsuit against Maxwell and became public in 2019 when the court unsealed the document.[119]

Her second memoir, Nobody's Girl: A Memoir of Surviving Abuse and Fighting for Justice, was co-authored with journalist Amy Wallace beginning in 2021. It was posthumously published by Alfred A. Knopf on October 21, 2025.[120][121][122]

Personal life, health and death
In October 2025, Giuffre's posthumous memoir stated that while being trafficked to numerous men in July 2001, she fell ill with stabbing abdominal pain and irregular bleeding, "waking up in a pool of blood". After being taken to the hospital by Epstein, Giuffre was heavily sedated. She stated that a few days after she was discharged, she began to "piece things together" and noticed a "tiny incision near my belly button, which one of the other girls in the house told me was consistent with a laparoscopic surgery for an ectopic pregnancy. But Epstein told me I'd suffered a miscarriage, which is something altogether different." She further wrote that her medical records made no mention of a miscarriage.[73]

Giuffre alleged that she had been savagely raped by a "well-known prime minister".[73] Giuffre also alleged that Epstein and Maxwell sought to use her as a surrogate mother for a baby they had planned to have together.[73]

Following her marriage to Robert Giuffre in 2002, Virginia lived in Glenning Valley on the Central Coast, New South Wales, for 11 years.[123] Together they had three children, two sons and a daughter.[124] The family relocated to the United States in November 2013, initially spending time in Florida,[123] and later in Colorado in 2015.[51] The family moved from the US back to Cairns, Queensland, in 2017.[125] In 2020, she moved with her family to Ocean Reef in Perth, Western Australia.[1] The family purchased a farming property in Neergabby in August 2023 after securing the settlement from Prince Andrew.[126] Virginia and her husband reportedly separated in 2024.[125] Some members of her family said that she had separated from Robert even earlier, in August 2023,[127] when she first raised the subject of divorce.[125] In April 2025, Virginia publicly stated that her husband had physically abused her for many years.[128][129] Court documents released as part of her litigation with Maxwell indicated that Robert was arrested in Colorado in 2015 and pleaded guilty to domestic violence for which he was placed on probation.[125]

Virginia said Robert was violent again in January 2025 when the family gathered for a birthday celebration for one of the children.[130] Robert accused Virginia of breaching a family violence restraining order in February and a court hearing was set.[131] For several months afterward, she was prevented from seeing her children.[130] Asked for comment by the press days after her car accident in early April 2025, she denied violating any such order and added that she would defend herself "against his malicious claim".[132] At the time of her death, she had been in a custody battle for her three children with Robert,[18][133] with whom she was undergoing a divorce.[18]

On March 31, 2025, in an Instagram post, Giuffre said that her car collided with a school bus traveling at 110 km/h (70 mph). She said that despite being "banged up and bruised", she initially went home after the accident but was subsequently taken to hospital as her condition deteriorated and was informed that she had gone into renal failure and been given four days to live.[134][135] She was later discharged.[136] Giuffre's family said the bus driver "had a bus full of distraught children and left the scene to get them back, saying he would file a police report".[137] Western Australia police confirmed that on March 25, 2025, they received a report from the bus driver of a minor crash involving a car and a bus near Perth on March 24, 2025, but that no injuries had been reported.[135][138]

Giuffre died by suicide at her home in Neergabby, Western Australia, on April 25, 2025, at the age of 41.[3][139] An investigation is ongoing but according to authorities, "early indications" show that "the death is not suspicious."[140] Her father at first accepted the alleged cause of death as suicide, but on May 1 said he thought that "somebody got to her".[141] Giuffre's Australia-based attorney Karrie Louden said she believed that Giuffre's death was not "suspicious in any way" and that “The Coroner will determine in due course the cause of death and that will be established based on the evidence."[140] At the time, the BBC noted that "there is still much that is not known about Ms Giuffre's last days or her personal circumstances."[142]

 

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Trump Denies Writing 36-Volume Comic Titled ‘Don And Jeff: Time Pedophiles’

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Dismissing the swashbuckling sci-fi romp as “a total hoax” amid growing scrutiny over his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, President Donald Trump made remarks Tuesday denying that he had written a 36-volume comic titled Don And Jeff: Time Pedophiles.

Obtained last month by the House committee investigating the late financier and child sex trafficker, the Time Pedophiles saga depicts Trump and Epstein journeying through various historical eras aboard Epstein’s Chronolita Express time machine, taking on Edo-period samurai, ancient Roman legionaries, and Wild West gunslingers in their never-ending quest for underage sexual partners. 

 

 

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Though Trump was prominently credited as writer and illustrator on every cover, in addition to appearing as a doodled version of himself in several “Molester’s Soap Box” columns, where he would frequently rant about the unfair treatment of sexual predators, the president has vigorously disputed the series’ authenticity.

“Epstein was no friend of mine, and I never drew us becoming knights and competing at a joust for the virginity of a 13-year-old Eleanor of Aquitaine,” Trump said when asked about Time Pedophiles by a reporter, suggesting that someone else could have written, inked, and lettered the series before falsely signing his name. “Anyone who knows me knows I wouldn’t draw myself in a covered wagon picking up minors on the Oregon Trail, nor would I write a story arc about going back into prehistory, long before humans invented the age of consent, to hit on Cro-Magnon girls. Sorry to disappoint, but the fact is, I don’t draw cavemen.”

 

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“I’ve never written a caveman in my life,” he added, though several one-shot comics the president drew for charity in the early 2000s depict cavemen in a style nearly identical to those in Time Pedophiles.

The storylines in the series are largely driven by the reliance of Epstein’s time machine on Enigmium, a mysterious substance that “never ages” and can only be obtained via sexual encounters with girls between the ages of 12 and 17. Each arc typically begins with the erudite Don rattling off facts about their next destination, only for Jeff to interrupt him with his catchphrase, “But what does [the Qing dynasty/Prohibition-era Atlantic City/Belle Époque France] have to do with getting pussy?”

The duo’s time-faring underage sexcapades also feature numerous cameos from Don and Jeff’s team of “Temporoconspirators,” including Doc Dershowitz, the madcap inventor constantly developing new gizmos—like the Groomatizer Ray and allegation-proof underwear—for the Time Pedophiles to test out, as well as Chief Engineer Ghislaine, the Chronolita Express’s mechanic and Jeff’s on-and-off paramour, whose direct exposure to the timestream in a tragic massage accident left her forever trapped in the body of an adult woman.

Despite the president’s repeated denials of having ever depicted himself and Epstein commissioning Leonardo da Vinci to build them a mechanical clockwork nymphet who goes haywire and chases them through the canals of Venice after Jeff carelessly fondles a dial controlling her aggression levels, Americans expressed unease that Epstein and Trump opted to self-publish Time Pedophiles through a company they founded called GROPE comics. 

In a nationwide poll conducted by Pew Research Center, 84% of respondents called the comic unpresidential and said they were disturbed by the Time Pedophiles traveling back to ancient Egypt in the “Groom Like An Egyptian” storyline and getting two breastlike pyramids constructed in their honor for molesting 14-year-old Cleopatra. In addition, 77% were appalled by the Time Pedophiles rescuing Joan of Arc from being burnt at the stake only to heave her back into the blaze upon learning she was 19. 

Similarly, 89% of those polled said they disapproved of the chapter where Don deliberately lands the Chronolita Express in the Miss Teen Mesopotamia changing room, and 68% said that Trump should immediately resign if he did indeed pen the issue in which an incident at a 19th-century girl’s boarding school leads to Don unwittingly becoming Jeff’s great-grandfather.

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Clockwise from top left: child sex offenders Don and Jeff flee a T. rex, remodel the Great Sphinx of Giza in Jeff’s image, fight samurai, and briefly rescue Joan of Arc.

 

Assuming the comics in this omnibus collection are authentic, the entire series paints a damning picture of Trump and Epstein’s relationship,” said political analyst Sarah Helbecker, pointing specifically to the series’ retrospective final chapter, in which Don and Jeff wind up in the year 5000 and are put on trial by an all-female robo-society for their crimes against women, girls, and the young velociraptor from the “Jurassic Pedos” arc. “The whole courtroom sequence reads like a confession, but before anyone faces any consequences, a portal appears and the duo receive a deus ex machina pardon from the Pedophile King of the Chro-noverse, who is strongly hinted to be a future version of Don himself.”

Helbecker added, “The American people should ask themselves just what the president meant when he concluded every issue of Time Pedophiles with the motto ‘Three cheers for molestation, and may every historical era be another wonderful secret!’” 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

There's probably a good list of "shit we have learned about people over the years" that we should compile.  Lawyers have a lot of such lessons/perspectives, but I know that engineers, managers, and the like, have their own observed truths to share too.

I can tell you that those of us in medicine can universally attest that people will shove just about anything in their ass.

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5 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

I can tell you that those of us in medicine can universally attest that people will shove just about anything in their ass.

 

 

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