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The rumor is that Alito and Thomas voted first, and then there was a dump of 7 votes. Texas expert says there’s only a 0.0039% chance of this happening.

Fuck Kayleigh and her headache and all the other enabling babysitters. I hope she hasn’t had a night with more than three hours of sleep for this entire year. I hope he texts her and calls her at al

40 plus indictments, guilty pleas, convictions, prison sentences, and roughly a dozen fed cases borne of said investigation is slightly more than jack shit.

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29 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

I don't think I'd call Gorsuch a nihilist.  Strange bedfellows with the two guys who are nihilists, or just too stupid to hide their partisanship.

I might suspect that Gorsuch wanted to grant cert in order to clarify the the Court's lack of role in governing elections.  That is, as judicially and legally bizarre as the PA Supreme Court's modifications of PA election law may have been, the USSC ain't got shit to say about it while Thomas and Alito bray like donkeys.

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1 minute ago, GopherRock said:

Some seem to think this clown is the favorite to take on Tim Walz next fall for governor of MN. 

So the MN GOP is content with just giving Walz another term without so much as a real challenge?

Bold move there.

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2 minutes ago, GopherRock said:

Some seem to think this clown is the favorite to take on Tim Walz next fall for governor of MN. 

i just don't think you can do maga without trump.  this dude just screams sad sack.  how many lake travis boat parades could this dude inspire? (i can only assume boat parades are proportionately that much more important in the land of 10,000 lakes)

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4 minutes ago, Llogg said:

Wait, he thinks the supreme court worked for him? He really has no idea how government works even after 4 years as president. What a giant moron.

trump and his ilk view the world as a purely transactional place, including their term of service in the government. It's a common theme among fascists.

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7 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I don't think I'd call Gorsuch a nihilist.  Strange bedfellows with the two guys who are nihilists, or just too stupid to hide their partisanship.

I might suspect that Gorsuch wanted to grant cert in order to clarify the the Court's lack of role in governing elections.  That is, as judicially and legally bizarre as the PA Supreme Court's modifications of PA election law may have been, the USSC ain't got shit to say about it while Thomas and Alito bray like donkeys.

...on what basis do you suspect this?

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6 hours ago, Js1 said:

So the MN GOP is content with just giving Walz another term without so much as a real challenge?

Bold move there.

Well, the same guy who ran for AG is taking another run at Keith Ellison. Considering he couldn't beat the weakest link on the 2018 DFL ticket who is an amalgam of every Republican bogeyman out there, I don't think intelligence is a strong suit among the GOP electorate.

And to BtU!'s point, there was a giant boat parade on a Saturday in late October on the St. Croix River, the border between MN and WI near the Twin Cities. It didn't win Trump either state.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

...on what basis do you suspect this?

Gorsuch doesn't regularly align with them on particular issues.

He's shown himself to be more doctrinaire than a reliable poltiical hack like Alito and Thomas.  He seems to be rather doctrinaire about federalism and I just have this intuition that he might have liked to go on record that the federal judiciary has naught to say about state election law, even bizarro judicial interpretations of it, so long as they're sufficienty in advance of elections that they don't disenfranchise in violation of the 14th.

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12 hours ago, GopherRock said:

Some seem to think this clown is the favorite to take on Tim Walz next fall for governor of MN. 

 

ill bet everything I have on the my pillow guy !!!!!!!!!!!!*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*we're talking about a crack smoking contest, right ?

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Thomas is worthless. Is he the worst justice in history?  Not worst as in asshole. There are certainly bigger asshole judges from the pre civil war and also pre civil rights eras. But he may very well be the worst ever at being an actual judge. 

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6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Gorsuch doesn't regularly align with them on particular issues.

He's shown himself to be more doctrinaire than a reliable poltiical hack like Alito and Thomas.  He seems to be rather doctrinaire about federalism and I just have this intuition that he might have liked to go on record that the federal judiciary has naught to say about state election law, even bizarro judicial interpretations of it, so long as they're sufficienty in advance of elections that they don't disenfranchise in violation of the 14th.

This is my take on him as well.

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4 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Thomas is worthless. Is he the worst justice in history?  Not worst as in asshole. There are certainly bigger asshole judges from the pre civil war and also pre civil rights eras. But he may very well be the worst ever at being an actual judge. 

Safe to say that if by some miracle Clarence Thomas was put on the bench in the 1850s, he would have sided with the majority on the Dred Scott case. 

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7 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Thomas is worthless. Is he the worst justice in history?  Not worst as in asshole. There are certainly bigger asshole judges from the pre civil war and also pre civil rights eras. But he may very well be the worst ever at being an actual judge. 

"Somehow, this concern about fraud only applies to elections in Thomas’ world. The justice actually rejects the argument that campaign finance reforms may be justified to prevent the “appearance of corruption.” He is transplanting a doctrine that he does not support into a new context to shore up the legality of voter suppression laws. In the process, he is bolstering Trump’s paranoid attacks on mail voting, lending judicial credence to two foundational elements of the big lie: First, that vote by mail is inherently unsafe and insecure, and second, that fraudulent mail-voting schemes may be rampant yet “undetected,” vindicating Trump’s ridiculous claims that his voters are right to doubt the outcome of the presidential race."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/clarence-thomas-voter-fraud-trump-pennsylvania.html

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Unicorns may also be rampant yet undetected.

That line of thinking is just so infuriating. And you just can’t reason with someone who insists that the absence of evidence to prove their belief doesn’t mean it’s not true. Like they say, you can’t reason someone out of a position they weren’t reasoned into. If you don’t require evidence to believe in what you believe, it frees you to believe whatever you want to believe.

I know that isn’t particularly insightful. Just venting. 

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https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-giuliani-dominion-lawsuit-service-20210222-6ejrl7c3rva3xbvhzqijoloe3y-story.html

 

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Rudy Giuliani spent a week dodging service of a $1.3 billion lawsuit filed by Dominion Voting Systems after publicly declaring he was ready for the legal fight, a source told the Daily News.

Dominion hired the process servers to hand Giuliani its mammoth 107-page lawsuit after the former mayor ignored requests to simply accept it via email, the source said. The voting machine company claims Giuliani destroyed its reputation by knowingly spreading lies that it helped steal the election for President Biden.

 

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On Tuesday, the company filed a separate defamation suit, also seeking $1.3 billion, against MyPillow CEO Mike Lendell for making similar bogus claims Dominion played a role in election fraud.

“After not responding to requests to waive service, Mr. Giuliani evaded in-person service of process for nearly a week. It took numerous attempts, at both his home and office, before we were able to successfully serve Mr. Giuliani on February 10. Mr. Giuliani’s repeated false claims about Dominion have been immeasurably damaging; this service of process is one more step forward in our pursuit of justice,” said Tom Clare, an attorney for Dominion.

 

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Giuliani said he welcomed the court fight after Dominion sued last month.

“Dominion’s defamation lawsuit for $1.3 billion will allow me to investigate their history, finances and practices fully and completely,” Giuliani proclaimed.

A detailed account of efforts to serve Giuliani, which was provided to the Daily News by a source, told a different story. A doorman, knowing process servers were looking for Giuliani, locked the door to the building whenever the former mayor entered the lobby.

On Feb. 7, a pair of process servers and Giuliani got into an awkward standoff during a nasty winter storm. That morning, the doorman to the building waved to a Ford Explorer SUV parked down the street. Giuliani got in the passenger seat and closed the SUV door as a process server lunged forward with a bag full of documents.

“This is not the way it’s supposed to be done. You should have gone to my office,” Giuliani said, according to the account. The lawsuit was lodged between the SUV door.

The doorman got involved, jabbing his umbrella into the SUV door. The driver and doorman pulled the bag of legal documents, allowing Giuliani to close the SUV door. The process server left the bag in front of Giuliani’s building, which the doorman had locked yet again.

“These documents now belong to Giuliani,” the process server declared.

Building staff apparently didn’t agree. The process server saw a maintenance worker throw the bag of legal documents in a trash can on the street. They retrieved the legal documents and continued pursuing Giuliani.

For the next two days, the process server failed to intercept Giuliani at his office or apartment building. Staff at Giuliani’s office ignored messages to set up an appointment to hand off the suit.

At one point, his driver went through a red light while dodging the process server, according to the account. Finally, on Feb. 10, Giuliani’s assistant accepted service on his behalf.

Giuliani did not respond to an inquiry.

 

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Anyone here know Paul Davis? Class of 2011
Idiot lawyer? I finished at UT Law a few years before him, but he was in my wife's class. She says there zero surprise amongst her friends about him.
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1 hour ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

"Somehow, this concern about fraud only applies to elections in Thomas’ world. The justice actually rejects the argument that campaign finance reforms may be justified to prevent the “appearance of corruption.” He is transplanting a doctrine that he does not support into a new context to shore up the legality of voter suppression laws. In the process, he is bolstering Trump’s paranoid attacks on mail voting, lending judicial credence to two foundational elements of the big lie: First, that vote by mail is inherently unsafe and insecure, and second, that fraudulent mail-voting schemes may be rampant yet “undetected,” vindicating Trump’s ridiculous claims that his voters are right to doubt the outcome of the presidential race."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/clarence-thomas-voter-fraud-trump-pennsylvania.html

Clarence should stop reading his wife’s Facebook posts before he writes his opinions 

Actually, strike that. She probably does those for him 

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13 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Also, Albright had that R 12 show cause and I think the response to it is sometime around now.  That’ll be fun to see. 

He (the loon) filed an amended complaint that mentioned a R. 12 response filed contemporaneously.  While a plaintiff usually has the right to amend before a R. 12 dismissal, I don't think filing an amended pleading in that circumstance is a really good idea.

And I can't tell from that attorneys fees motion, did Davis the loon file it?  Any relation to Chelsea?

Also, there's this. https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/fired-texas-lawyer-gets-fired-again-and-he-seems-happy-about-it/

 

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1 hour ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

"Somehow, this concern about fraud only applies to elections in Thomas’ world. The justice actually rejects the argument that campaign finance reforms may be justified to prevent the “appearance of corruption.” In the process, he is bolstering Trump’s paranoid attacks on mail voting, lending judicial credence to two foundational elements of the big lie: First, that vote by mail is inherently unsafe and insecure, and second, that fraudulent mail-voting schemes may be rampant yet “undetected,” vindicating Trump’s ridiculous claims that his voters are right to doubt the outcome of the presidential race."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/clarence-thomas-voter-fraud-trump-pennsylvania.html

Ok pubs.  You win.  Voting by mail is inherently unsafe and insecure.  Let’s get rid of it completely, cause that is the only logical conclusion from this assumption.   Of course,  includes all the 65+ yr olds who have been able to utilize this fraudulent scheme for decades.   Deal?

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53 minutes ago, APMP said:
57 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:
Anyone here know Paul Davis? Class of 2011

Idiot lawyer? I finished at UT Law a few years before him, but he was in my wife's class. She says there zero surprise amongst her friends about him.

Man, I knew some weird fucks and dicks and shitheads in law school, but I cannot think of anyone that would be involved in something like this.

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16 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Gorsuch doesn't regularly align with them on particular issues.

He's shown himself to be more doctrinaire than a reliable poltiical hack like Alito and Thomas.  He seems to be rather doctrinaire about federalism and I just have this intuition that he might have liked to go on record that the federal judiciary has naught to say about state election law, even bizarro judicial interpretations of it, so long as they're sufficienty in advance of elections that they don't disenfranchise in violation of the 14th.

I haven't seen anything to indicate that he doesn't align with the rest of them on voting rights. Prioritizing the ability of states to govern their elections over the voting rights of black people is central to conservatism. If he didn't align with the others on it, he wouldn't be a conservative.

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9 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Thomas is worthless. Is he the worst justice in history?  Not worst as in asshole. There are certainly bigger asshole judges from the pre civil war and also pre civil rights eras. But he may very well be the worst ever at being an actual judge. 

Naw, all those old assholes were horrible judges too. Thomas isn't an exception, he's closer to the rule.

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I haven't seen anything to indicate that he doesn't align with the rest of them on voting rights. Prioritizing the ability of states to govern their elections over the voting rights of black people is central to conservatism. If he didn't align with the others on it, he wouldn't be a conservative.

That may be true, I don't see this as a voting rights issue, although it's tangentially connected.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That may be true, I don't see this as a voting rights issue, although it's tangentially connected.

I should've elaborated. Prioritizing the ability of conservative state officials to suppress the black vote is what I really meant. I was trying to be the tiniest bit sympathetic to their good faith and in that frame it's typically presented as balancing a state's power to run its elections vs the voting rights of an individual, but we know what it's really about. So yeah, in cases like the Pennsylvania case you could say it's less about guaranteeing any particular individual's right to vote and more about whether the Supreme Court can override a state supreme court's interpretation of its own law, but we know the answer to that question, as far as most conservative judges are concerned, really hinges on whether the votes in question are from white conservative voters or black voters.

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4 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

"Somehow, this concern about fraud only applies to elections in Thomas’ world. The justice actually rejects the argument that campaign finance reforms may be justified to prevent the “appearance of corruption.” He is transplanting a doctrine that he does not support into a new context to shore up the legality of voter suppression laws. In the process, he is bolstering Trump’s paranoid attacks on mail voting, lending judicial credence to two foundational elements of the big lie: First, that vote by mail is inherently unsafe and insecure, and second, that fraudulent mail-voting schemes may be rampant yet “undetected,” vindicating Trump’s ridiculous claims that his voters are right to doubt the outcome of the presidential race."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/clarence-thomas-voter-fraud-trump-pennsylvania.html

 

fuck that douche. thomas's wife is in the trump inner circle. she's a bigger nut than thomas. this was his shot at appeasing daddy trump 

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3 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:
Anyone here know Paul Davis? Class of 2011

Idiot lawyer? I finished at UT Law a few years before him, but he was in my wife's class. She says there zero surprise amongst her friends about him.

 

all schools and universities have shitty grads 

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Okay, the video clip starts in the middle of the moderator's number.  It sounds like he says, "1,130 criminal convictions of vote fraud."  

I think there were certainly that amount nationwide of fraudulent instances.  1,130 out of 159mm or .0007% and that's instances, not convicted criminals.  That a nation of our size, during a global deadly pandemic where we're the flagship for fucking it up, can have record turnout and only have 1,130 fraudulent ballots is fucking amazing.  

Or, oh wait...is the new narrative...there wasn't massive voter fraud.  It was Trump voter suppression...that's why the 1,130 number is so shocking??!??!?!

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With the Supreme Court rejecting the final gasp of Trump election lawsuits... the last nail has been put in this coffin.

Not to say that a lot of very stupid people will still believe that the courts stacked with Trump and GOP appointees are actually martians  masquerading as Judges ina secret plot to deprive American from Donald Trump's sent from heaven greatness.  But the factual, lawsuit part is now over.

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3 minutes ago, horn4life said:

With the Supreme Court rejecting the final gasp of Trump election lawsuits... the last nail has been put in this coffin.

Not to say that a lot of very stupid people will still believe that the courts stacked with Trump and GOP appointees are actually martians  masquerading as Judges ina secret plot to deprive American from Donald Trump's sent from heaven greatness.  But the factual, lawsuit part is now over.

Do you even secret military tribunals, bro?

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22 hours ago, horn4life said:

With the Supreme Court rejecting the final gasp of Trump election lawsuits... the last nail has been put in this coffin.

Not to say that a lot of very stupid people will still believe that the courts stacked with Trump and GOP appointees are actually martians  masquerading as Judges ina secret plot to deprive American from Donald Trump's sent from heaven greatness.  But the factual, lawsuit part is now over.

It never really started, actually. Those lawsuits, collectively, were a dog and pony show. They had nothing to do with the law, and they had nothing to do with the facts. It was just a show for the idiot rubes that fall victim easily to this feeble, garbled drivel about how "oh wah wah wah, the evil Dems are stealing the presidency from our orange Jesus wah wah wah." It's just like when a professional wrestler cuts a post-match promo about how he got screwed by the ref, the promoter, the other guy's manager, etc. They're playing this up as if it was the Montreal Screwjob, except the most "in on it" people are, in reality, the Trump campaign themselves. They know he fucking lost (well maybe not Lin "Dave Wills" Wood, but the rest of them certainly do). They had no real ambition of winning these suits, and that should have been abundantly clear in the performances they put on gavel-to-gavel. They just wanted to scream as loudly as they could in the best microphones that were available to them outside of the court rooms, not so much inside them. 

Anyways, this is far from over. The actual challenge before us is this absurd roster of state-level legislations that are trying so desperately to squash voting rights for as many Americans as they possibly can. 

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