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  1. I think grouping everyone you disagree with politically in with the small faction that is openly celebrating is the type of rhetoric that got us here.
    36 points
  2. I'm not celebrating. But I'm also not canonizing him. And discussing his racist, bigoted, and sexist views -- which were a large part of his identity rather than some harmless off-the-cuff isolated remarks -- is entirely fair game, even on the day of his death. And I have no reason to doubt that he was a good and loving husband and father, and showed kindness to those in his personal and political circle. I don't know him, but I've never read otherwise. However, he chose a public persona and pulpit to spew divisive, demeaning and hateful shit that went so far beyond what his loyalists want to label as conservative policies that big bad universities are stifling. He doesn't get a pass on that just to allow his fanboys a day of grieving. And when yesterday I first saw a comment on a Facebook post comparing his death to MLK's assassination, I thought that was a ridiculous isolated comment. But holy shit, that sentiment has a MAGA tidal wave behind it. And those crazy fucks are even saying Kirk was better than MLK because he never cheated on his wife unlike King the womanizer. Hey, if you want to compare personal lives, fine. I recently read the Pulitzer Prize-winning King: A Life, and along with MLK's greatness, the author also writes pretty extensively on King's infidelities, which were exhaustively taped by Hoover's FBI. If you're going to tell me that Charlie Kirk was a saint who never even thought about a woman other than his wife when he masturbated, okay, I'll assume that's true for this discussion. But however virtuous Kirk may have been in his private life, he chose a message and a movement of divisiveness, hateful, sexist, and antisemitic rhetoric, and a complete lack of empathy. On the other hand, King, for all of his extra-marital affairs, had a consistent mission and message of equality and justice, dignity for every human, love (even for his enemies), and maybe most remarkably, nonviolence, even when others in the Black movement toward the last several years of his life were pleading for him, "King, we need to consider some motherfucking violence!" Back to your post. I'm not happy at all that Kirk was gunned down. I'm sad for his widow and kids, and that another person yesterday was senselessly killed by a gun. And to honestly voice my selfish political reason for being angry at his murder, I'm fucking pissed that someone decided to kill a MAGA figurehead when it's only going to further enrage and energize that sad faction of our country. So we're not celebrating his death (well, at least I'm not). We're just honestly examining his life.
    32 points
  3. You dickrode Trump for 4 years, cheered for kids in cages, and talked about wanting to shoot immigrants. Then you realized that all sounded bad and nuked that account and started this alt pretending to be someone else entirely. Nobody has a single reason to believe anything you say and many reasons not to.
    31 points
  4. I had to explain to a friend yesterday how it’s fine to hold these thoughts in our heads at the same time: Violence is bad and murder is wrong and the person who did this should go to jail for the rest of his life…. and also Charlie Kirk was a terrible person who profited off hate speech and demonizing people and the world is a better place with him not in it.
    30 points
  5. go preach this to all of your like minded right wing friends and family who’ve never given a single fuck about political violence or “how we treat our fellow man” one day in their lives. change starts at home. go give this lecture to the people who need it.
    30 points
  6. Charlie Kirk wasn’t assassinated. That asshole got shot.
    30 points
  7. I’m not celebrating his death. If he truly is a Christian he is with Jesus right now and if so, I believe he is having to give an account for his actions on earth. I feel terrible for his wife and daughters. No one should have their family ripped apart by gun violence. I will note that the vast majority of Americans want reasonable laws passed to lessen the likelihood of that happening to more families. And he vehemently advocated against that in his life. No reasonable person thinks we can take that number to zero, but that is not an argument for doing nothing. According to his own words Kirk believed an absolute right to the 2nd amendment is so important that the deaths of thousands of children are acceptable to protect it. He spent his life sowing hate towards marginalized people; people who are my friends and family members, my patients, and my (and his) brothers and sisters in Christ, so no I do not mourn him. But because I am called to love him I am struggling mightily right now. My eldest daughter, who is one of the strongest and most faithful Christians I know, told me last night she is questioning her faith because of all her friends who are posting about what a tragedy this is when they never had a word to say about Uvalde; or El Paso; or the Pulse nightclub; or any of the church/mosque/synegogue shootings; or the MN assassinations or school shootings. Or even the CO school shootings from yesterday. And who attacked her for saying why she does not mourn him. Note she didn’t respond to their posts expressing their grief but felt compelled to post replies to her on her timeline She has never said anything about questioning her faith to me and she has gone through some very trying times. And I don’t have anything to say to her that doesn’t feel hollow and trite. And that breaks my heart I will leave you with a quote from Charlie Kirk, which I can only assume shows us how he would want us to feel about his death, unless his whole professional life was a work: “I can’t stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics.” “I can’t stand th empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics.”
    29 points
  8. Yeah, it's not a good look. But damn do I sure wish your half of the country would get this upset about school shootings.
    29 points
  9. 25 points
  10. They are turning this into “one of the darkest days in American history” and I’m like do you realize what happened 24 years ago today?
    25 points
  11. I'm still a few pages behind, but I've had enough. This is disgusting. A man has a toddler who won't see him today, because he is too busy parenting a bunch of middle aged white guys on a message board. Thoughts and prayers for @immamac
    24 points
  12. But it's not. Kirk was a disengenuous debater. He used non-sequiturs, half-truths, outright lies and was a fearmonger. He was not interested in honest dialogue but wanted clicks, gotcha moments and for things to go viral on the places that platformed him.
    23 points
  13. Charlie Kirk: “Good morning, young college student. Could I interest you in some racism and bigotry over a cup of coffee?”
    23 points
  14. This lionization of Kirk by even non-conservative politicians and media members is fucking disgusting and has to be incredibly insulting to gays, women, minorities, non-Christians and immigrants. Not celebrating the killing is obviously good, but this wasn't some hero that died. What the fuck
    21 points
  15. Sigh. They were always going to get their Reichstag fire and martyr. Law of averages and all that. They were waiting for it, and now they are running their play. I find FASCINATING the outcry about “we must stop the hateful rhetoric that leads to politician violence!” People like my family are demonized as vernin and invaders (including by the subject of this thread). RESULT: slaughter of dozens in El Paso by a man who openly stated he was killing invaders. Calls from the right to “tone down inflammatory political rhetoric”: zero. Jews are demonized by many of this same voices as engineering an immigration invasion as part of a “great replacement” plot. RESULT: mass murder of Jews at Tree of Life, by a man who stated that was his reason for doing so. Calls from the right about toning down their rhetoric…zero. Buffalo, and the murder of black people who were demonized as leeches bringing down our society. Same situation. Assassinations of sitting legislators in Minn, motivated by their “leftist” actions which harm our country. Same situation. So, forgive me if I find the calls of “dangerous political rhetoric is bad! It must stop!” from the very same people who revel in it as disingenuous. They’re not wrong. They’re just disingenuous. If they actually believed that, they would have criticized the relentless tide of political rhetoric - including by the subject of this thread - demonizing brown people as invaders poisoning the blood of our country. They don’t believe that. And that’s a big problem. It’s why we are where we are, and there’s no going back. This climate is what we want. I’ll remind you of Brisket’s Laws: it only gets worse, and there is no bottom. This relentless plummet never should have started. Because this is always, ALWAYS, how it ends. This is going to be used to repress, through abuse of government power, and outright force and violence, the “evil opposition” (as people within the admin are already calling anyone who opposes them). This is how it ends. This was always going to be how it ends. You’ve gotten what you wanted, what was inevitable when you decided to walk down the road of hate and demonizing rhetoric. Plenty of us said we shouldn’t do that. Our warnings were not just ignored, they were mocked. So be it. Here we are. It’s pretty awful, isn’t it? Don’t worry. It gets worse.
    21 points
  16. Fake Christians like you are why we are in the terrible situation we are in. Your adoption of American “how many people can I hate in the name of Christianity” theology makes you the farthest thing from a Christian, no matter how much you insist that you are. It is one thing to be trash like Kirk, and quite another to revere trash like Kirk. But you do you. Brother.
    20 points
  17. fuck him fuck his followers fuck his enablers fuck anyone trying to prop him up after his death had he spent more time being a better human being instead of a race baiting, gay hating pos he'd still be alive his ultimate goal was to fill his wallet. a fuckign fraud huckster
    20 points
  18. All of this. Kirk was a college dropout who was able to fool stupid people into thinking he was an intellectual. And he was mediocre at best as a debater. He was just a guy who figured out how to make a bunch of money spewing inflammatory shit. There's no telling how much of it he even really believed. He was the Stephen A Smith of politics. But make a martyr of him, you fools.
    19 points
  19. 19 points
  20. I was aware of Charlie Kirk and TPUSA as an organization although until today i was simply aware that it was part of America’s ambient noise of outrage and urgency. I did do a scroll through his recent statements, which returned the expected results of a stream of existential anger at the latest cause mixed with a fair amount of blatant falsehood. He was recently seized with the brutal murder of Iryna Zarutska by a multiple felon (an outrage I share) although it had mostly evolved into a proxy beef with Van Jones. A metaphor as Iryna’s innocence and tragedy receded and political feuding stormed to the foreground. America seems to be well into a phase similar to that of the 1970s, an unrelenting stream of violence that is only political in the sense that we have chosen hysterical fury as our baseline political state despite mostly living lives of comfort and plenty. I suspect that like the killer of the Minnesota lawmakers, whoever shot Kirk will be infuriated or politically agitated, but unable to coherently explain how murder would address the causes of the fury. Which is by design and it seems Kirk was in many ways an architect and show-runner. America’s ambient noise is existential outrage. Many right-wing figures have come forward to talk of Kirk’s private kindness and happiness. I actually don’t doubt that this was true. I don’t doubt that his two beautiful daughters have had a life full of joy and giggles and sweetness and now they will live with a gaping hole where daddy should be. And one day they will learn that many people they never knew were not at all sad to see their daddy’s life dribble away on the internet. It’s hard to explain what this private tragedy will mean to them. It’s crushing that Kirk packed away his kindness and friendship into a private realm and chose to publicly create the ambient noise of existential fury. Of course he did not deserve this. But none of us do, none of us deserve to live this way. Being publicly and privately kind is always a choice we have.
    19 points
  21. He was talking about transgender mass shooters at the time… too much sense? It’s fucking propaganda. I can’t even tell you how many zeroes are in front of the number that gets you the percentage of trans people who are mass shooters. 5 out of 5700 man. too much sense? sorry bud, he should not have been shot. We need gun regulation. But he was not making sense he was preaching hate against people like ME. I will not preach hate, but I will also not let it slide that he was making too much sense. People maybe have liked what he was saying but it was hatred. I will not abide that pile of whitewashed nonsense. now someone please do the right thing and stop this nonsense. Let’s stop the gun violence. We all deserve better.
    19 points
  22. He was killed because at the end of the day, he was a piece of shit grifter making great money stoking the hate machine. That's first and foremost what he cared about. And while he has a right to free speech in this country, he ran a certain risk with all of his inflammatory bullshit. Actions have consequences, and I guess someone had enough of his divisive bullshit. And I hope they find the person that did this and that he faces the full consequences of his actions. But my opinion of Kirk hasn't changed a one bit. He's like Rush Limbaugh. Fuck him and all he stood for. He didn't give one fuck about unifying this country, that's not where the money is at. The money is in the grift, and the grift was in keeping people angry.
    19 points
  23. This is the cunt they are deifying. Just saw the fucking Yankees things, god damn fuck that club. This whole thing gets more and more disgusting by the minute. But remember, it's everyone else whose speach promotes violence.
    18 points
  24. That depends on the wound and immediate response. 12 years ago my son severed his femoral artery in his upper thigh with an electric hand saw. He was alone in a house he was renovating, standing chest deep in a hole in the wood floor cutting some framing when the saw hit a nail and kicked back. He pulled himself out as quickly as he could, laid on the floor with his leg propped up on a box, then took off his belt and used it as a tourniquet around his upper thigh. He dialed 911 on the cell phone we had given him just a few months prior (his wife, a hippie Luddite, had been very reluctant to use such gadgets) and waited for the EMS which luckily was stationed only 3 or 4 blocks away in North Austin. When the responder crew arrived and walked in the door, one of the guys looked at the blood sprayed all over the floor, walls, & ceiling he exclaimed loudly, ”Holy shit!”. The ensuing ambulance ride out of the neighborhood down to Brackenridge Hospital was a miserable pain every time they went over a speed bump. But son owes his life to those EMS responders and the wonderful staff in the ER. Plus his own Boy Scout training. After the surgery the doctor said he had bled out at least three liters, and was surprised he had not gone into cardiac arrest. Son was still white as a sheet of paper when we saw him in the ICU. It took 6 months for him to recover full use of his leg and get back to normal.
    18 points
  25. On a more general note, I was contemplating that there's no Charlie Kirk (or Tucker Carlson or any of a dozen others) on the left. And the corollary thought that they need someone to "tell them how to think." I think the first proposition is accurate and that leads to the second and prompts the question why is it this way? And maybe in a blinding glimpse of the obvious, deep down people know that most of the hateful "conservative" positions these days are just that, hateful and inhuman. Despite our natural tendency to avoid or even demonize "other," I think most people also have enough of a moral compass to know when ideas are at best suspect if not outright immoral. So, "the right" needs someone(s) to "make it ok" to harbor and act upon inhumane if not immoral thoughts. To justify racism. To justify inhumanity to queer people and minorities and the poor. This is what "say the quiet part out loud." The quiet part is quiet because people know that it is fundamentally wrong, deep down inside. So they need someone to justify it for them. To make it OK. It's like little kids and young people doing racist things like the "SAE song." It's fun because it's naughty. It's naughty because it's wrong and they know it. And they can be naughty with mostly minimal consequences. This is not to say that there aren't sociopaths, psychopaths, and hard core racists out there that have zero qualms or reservations about this kind of shit. But sort of the average person needs that justification real bad. And Trumpco provides it.
    18 points
  26. For the people affected by the death of Charlie Kirk: I can understand the concern and shock of such a heinous act. What is happening to this country and world? How did we get here? Why is their so much divisiveness, hate, and violence? What happened to caring about our fellow man? Why are some people not deeply disturbed or angry about this? All understandable questions. Here is something to consider. There are lot of people who feel like this every day. Every. Fucking. Day. We see Palestinian kids with their limbs blown off. Dead children in Gaza or in our very own schools are commonplace. We see a POTUS and MAGA movement that by the hour tries to divide Americans. Masked ICE agent ripping people off the streets. US troops invading our cities. So when we're screaming at the top of our lungs, freaking out over the continued destruction of America, trying to reach people that are blinded or don't truly care, we get a little pissed off when people pop in with a brief moment of moral clarity. We anticipated this horror. We tried to warn y'all. You didn't listen. So fuck off with the judgement of how people feel about Charlie Kirk's death. Every day things get worse. We're fucking tired. We don't have the energy to unite in solidarity over another needless form of hate/violence when you've been covering your eyes and ears for so long. Wake up.
    18 points
  27. People absolutely should be aware of the absolutely horrific things Charlie Kirk used his platform to spew. Things like: https://www.threads.com/@new.yorker/post/DOb6hvAkhYS?xmt=AQF0rVB7nnbx1gHxJaspyGlNdJCg3U1_OCJSOLS3Gcj65g He called abortion worse than the Holocaust. He said birth control made women angry and bitter. He repeatedly said that women should focus on having children rather than having a career. And that is just women. There were a lot more when it came to race. The guy was a hateful POS. It is on brand that MAGA is rending their garments and tearing out their hair.
    18 points
  28. The nuance that you’re failing to grasp is that none of us like that he was murdered but are having a hard time being sad for one of the individuals most responsible for your complaints above. It sucks that this happened generally, it sucks that this is where we are, it sucks that the people who fall for this stuff again and again are falling for it once more with the revisionist history of who he was and what he stood for, and even if someone does the sowing it’s a shame when they reap something like this. It would be morally and intellectually inconsistent for people who share your sentiments above to not recognize Kirk’s role in getting us here as we talk about what his death means.
    18 points
  29. The comparisons to MLK are disgusting and right on par for maga and the right. If anything, Kirk is like the Fred Hampton, maybe a Malcom X of the radical right. That’s probably a more apt comparison.
    18 points
  30. Any one of us goes into a biker bar and starts yelling how bikers are trash, scum, and the lowest of the low. How long do you think we last before getting seriously hurt or killed? Go and sit in the middle of a Eagles game with your Cowboys shit on, hurling insults at all the people around you. What's the amount of time before you get stomped out? All of us conduct ourselves in a way to promote self preservation. As soon as you start with hateful rhetoric your life expectancy goes down. People shouldn't be violent, but people also shouldn't poke the bear. Most of us know that and conduct ourselves accordingly. Charlie Kirk did not and didn't make it to year 31. So many right wingers are pointing the finger at liberals today instead of looking in the mirror. If Charlie Kirk was a branch manager at his local Wells Fargo, he would be coming home for dinner tonight. Instead he spent a decade spewing hate to the masses and ultimately it caught up to him, just as much as it would if you and I went in that biker bar every day talking crazy. Quit blaming us. Look in the mirror. Bruce Willis wasn't going to make it very long holding that sign either.
    17 points
  31. It's like everyone forgets that the guy who mowed down 20+ Hispanics in the El Paso Walmart expressly said he did it in response to the president's constant theme of invasions and immigrants "poisoning the blood" of America. A direct fucking link there and here we are, being told that we're at war with "libruls" because a hateful asshat was murdered and we don't even know who did it and what their motive was at this point. Fucking infuriating.
    17 points
  32. What the DT thread obtusely and intentionally won't grok is that it's OK to believe two things can be true. This can be a heinous act and devastating to a young family AND Charlie Kirk can be immediately remembered as fascist racist internet troll who was part of the problem with our current national discourse, particularly because he was intellectually dishonest about the role he purported to play in it.
    17 points
  33. Love the negs. Why don’t you fellas go spend a little time giving thoughts and prayers to the couple of hundred other people murdered by guns today, including the 3 kids in Colorado and the lady and cop shot in Austin. Better yet, why don’t you begin to address the problem, by funding some fucking mental health services and maybe looking at revamping our gun laws? Naw. Take the money and run. Bitches. I wear your negs with pride. They’re kinda like bloated ticks.
    17 points
  34. 49 people killed at Pulse just for being gay can’t even have a fucking crosswalk.
    16 points
  35. Remember when you fantasized about shooting immigrants at the border?
    16 points
  36. A lot of people out here complaining about how hot it is when they chose the guy setting the thermostat.
    16 points
  37. These are the rules as they have always been written by the so-called "liberal media" and the right-wingers have been working the refs and playing the victim for most of my very old adult life. This is 100% spot on.
    15 points
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