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On 5/12/2025 at 11:29 AM, irishtexan said:

The scenes involving the infected, the wolves and the cult are great. The scenes about Ellie and Dina's budding relationship are pretty fucking terrible. 

I just finished last night and started reading the replies and bravo you said it much more succinctly than I could have. 

Also why do they alternately portray Ellie as a zombie killing badass and then a dumber than a 10 year old idiot when Dina is making battle plans. For the better part of an episode there, Dina was giving main character energy and Ellie was just the doofus sidekick. And then at the end she's Jason Bourne again. 

The plot is still good and interesting, and I still think Ramsey is a kick ass actor with plenty of good scenes. And I like Dina and think her character is well acted, too, but yeah the writers are forcing the relationship plot line a little too much right now imo. Less talking, more scissoring. 

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4 minutes ago, Baboontyme said:

I just finished last night and started reading the replies and bravo you said it much more succinctly than I could have. 

Also why do they alternately portray Ellie as a zombie killing badass and then a dumber than a 10 year old idiot when Dina is making battle plans. For the better part of an episode there, Dina was giving main character energy and Ellie was just the doofus sidekick. And then at the end she's Jason Bourne again. 

The plot is still good and interesting, and I still think Ramsey is a kick ass actor with plenty of good scenes. And I like Dina and think her character is well acted, too, but yeah the writers are forcing the relationship plot line a little too much right now imo. Less talking, more scissoring. 

Agree with all the above.

In the aftershow thingie, someone was trying to explain Ellie's behavior by saying that there's tension between Dina's ex-boyfriend and Ellie, with her trying to prove she can protect Dina as well as anyone, but instead, here comes the ex-boyfriend to rescue both Dina AND Ellie, saving the day.

Still doesn't make sense.

I guess what would work is saying Ellie's an immature teenager suffering through PTSD/trauma and has never been in love. Because of that, she displays erratic behavior, has poor impulse control, and is kind of a dumbass.

That explanation might not suck if it were better written. Right now, Ellie isn't the most sympathetic character, to say the least.

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On 5/12/2025 at 5:29 AM, irishtexan said:

The scenes involving the infected, the wolves and the cult are great. The scenes about Ellie and Dina's budding relationship are pretty fucking terrible. 

This is what it’s come down to for me, and not because of woke or looks. Just sucks.

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that was a very good backstory and explains the Ellie we meet at the beginning of the season. Doesn't explain why they made her make such stupid decisions moving forward though.

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14 minutes ago, naija said:

that was a very good backstory and explains the Ellie we meet at the beginning of the season. Doesn't explain why they made her make such stupid decisions moving forward though.

She’s never been a calculating person, man. Sometimes the answer to “why is this character doing something stupid?” is because that’s part of who they are as a character.

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Fantastic episode imo. Maybe the best one yet, either season. So much so that I was disappointed when in the post-episode recap they talked about many of the scenes being from the video game. Great storytelling with the flashbacks on how Ellie came to realize what happened in SLC and how her resentment for Joel grew. Loved also the call back to Joel's childhood, and psyched to see Lalo make an appearance. 

Also, a thought/prediction. I'm going to spoiler it, even though I'm a non game player and don't know what will happen

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I think Deena is going to die. This is the only way the amount of attention that has been paid to the budding scissor relationship makes sense. It's completely out of place with the rest of the story. 

 

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Don’t worry; they’ll recast Ellie next season. 
 

I’ll really enjoy the 2.5 year wait for a 6 episode Season 3 and another 2.5 year wait for a 5 episode Season 4. 

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I liked that episode, it definitely explained some things from earlier in the season that irked me. Season 1 Joel/Ellie can really tug on your heartstrings. 

However, I thought the whole point of Joel's rampage in SLC was to save Ellie from being a lab rat for the rest of her life and likely being killed in the process. She had no idea what was going on, and the hypothesis of creating a "cure" with her blood was far-fetched at best. He was saving her from the insanity of being some stranger's guinea pig in an organization full of zealots who thought they could fix the world, it wasn't completely an act of selfishness.

If all the Fireflies needed was blood, then they wouldn't have knocked her out and taken her to an OR. They would have started with a simple blood draw every day to build up supply to work with. I thought he recognized how their plan with her wasn't adding up, and he saved her from what would be a tortuous existence, thus justifying the rampage to some degree.

I'm sure it's hard for him to talk about it all, but why doesn't he defend himself?  It makes no sense to me how he's completely disarmed when discussing it.

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I liked that episode, it definitely explained some things from earlier in the season that irked me. Season 1 Joel/Ellie can really tug on your heartstrings. 
However, I thought the whole point of Joel's rampage in SLC was to save Ellie from being a lab rat for the rest of her life and likely being killed in the process. She had no idea what was going on, and the hypothesis of creating a "cure" with her blood was far-fetched at best. He was saving her from the insanity of being some stranger's guinea pig in an organization full of zealots who thought they could fix the world, it wasn't completely an act of selfishness.
If all the Fireflies needed was blood, then they wouldn't have knocked her out and taken her to an OR. They would have started with a simple blood draw every day to build up supply to work with. I thought he recognized how their plan with her wasn't adding up, and he saved her from what would be a tortuous existence, thus justifying the rampage to some degree.
I'm sure it's hard for him to talk about it all, but why doesn't he defend himself?  It makes no sense to me how he's completely disarmed when discussing it.

You missed the explanation to Joel as he came to in SLC

“In The Last of Us, the surgery planned on Ellie in Salt Lake City involved removing the Cordyceps fungus from her brain to potentially create a cure for the infection. As explained by a character named Marlene, the surgeon's plan was to. This procedure would have killed Ellie. Joel, however, intervened, killing the surgeon and other Fireflies to save her.”

Based on what we’re supposed to believe, Joel killed “the the only scientists in the world who could find a cure” and that the surgery that would kill her would have “led to a cure.”

The reality, and I realize this is a show based on a videogame, is that Joel would rightly assume that killing Ellie so soon after being examined sounded dubious and not likely lead to anything but her death.
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28 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

I liked that episode, it definitely explained some things from earlier in the season that irked me. Season 1 Joel/Ellie can really tug on your heartstrings. 

However, I thought the whole point of Joel's rampage in SLC was to save Ellie from being a lab rat for the rest of her life and likely being killed in the process. She had no idea what was going on, and the hypothesis of creating a "cure" with her blood was far-fetched at best. He was saving her from the insanity of being some stranger's guinea pig in an organization full of zealots who thought they could fix the world, it wasn't completely an act of selfishness.

If all the Fireflies needed was blood, then they wouldn't have knocked her out and taken her to an OR. They would have started with a simple blood draw every day to build up supply to work with. I thought he recognized how their plan with her wasn't adding up, and he saved her from what would be a tortuous existence, thus justifying the rampage to some degree.

I'm sure it's hard for him to talk about it all, but why doesn't he defend himself?  It makes no sense to me how he's completely disarmed when discussing it.

He had the opportunity to explain that as soon as he rescued her. She asked him - point blank - if he was telling her the truth, and he swore that he was. He lived with that lie for 4 years. 

 

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Best episode yet. Pedro is a master at his craft, and Bella plays off him perfectly. Knowing those would be the last words they shared on the patio really brought that scene to another level.

The flashbacks of her childhood joy eventually turning to teen angst was perfect in showing their changing relationship as it does between every parent and child.

 

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4 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

I liked that episode, it definitely explained some things from earlier in the season that irked me. Season 1 Joel/Ellie can really tug on your heartstrings. 

However, I thought the whole point of Joel's rampage in SLC was to save Ellie from being a lab rat for the rest of her life and likely being killed in the process. She had no idea what was going on, and the hypothesis of creating a "cure" with her blood was far-fetched at best. He was saving her from the insanity of being some stranger's guinea pig in an organization full of zealots who thought they could fix the world, it wasn't completely an act of selfishness.

If all the Fireflies needed was blood, then they wouldn't have knocked her out and taken her to an OR. They would have started with a simple blood draw every day to build up supply to work with. I thought he recognized how their plan with her wasn't adding up, and he saved her from what would be a tortuous existence, thus justifying the rampage to some degree.

I'm sure it's hard for him to talk about it all, but why doesn't he defend himself?  It makes no sense to me how he's completely disarmed when discussing it.

Memory is fuzzy but I thought they were definitely going to kill her w/ surgery or whatever.

And I also thought the cure was just a theory - there was no guarantee it was gonna work. So I was a bit confused when Joel said yes to that question.

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