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23 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

“And once that unwanted child is forced into a terrible life where it will be a physical, financial, and emotional burden, Mrs Cox can get fucked if she expects any help from the state” -Kimberly Schwartz…Probably

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On 12/7/2023 at 9:21 PM, CTC2 said:

 but no one will notice
 

If you have MAGA/politically indifferent friends and/or family in your social media circle it would probably be a good idea to drop the latest GOP abomination- particularly as it relates to reproductive freedom- into their hermetically sealed news feed once a week or so-ish from now till next November.

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It would be better for all women in Texas if Kate Cox is arrested trying to leave.  She is who we need right now.  The State of Texas is a complete shithole at this point.  Anyone who can should get the hell out.  Leave it to the Fatty's and Iconos of the world.

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20 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Texas is just shit.  Arrested 37 times as a pro-lifer, on the Texas Supreme Court.

 

That awkward moment when your cruelty and punchable face aren’t your biggest flaws.  Rather; that as a judicial practitioner held to a high standard of linguistic prowess, and you so utterly and completely fail at the use of the word “ironic” in front of So many stupids.  
 

Don’t ya think?

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24 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Texas is just shit.  Arrested 37 times as a pro-lifer, on the Texas Supreme Court.

 

That guy has alpha male written all over him.

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I just checked the local news station's FB page.  It is usually infested with repugnant morons and abhorrent cretins. 

The overwhelming response to this story is that Paxton needs to fuck off. I'm absolutely shocked.

 

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24 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

It would be better for all women in Texas if Kate Cox is arrested trying to leave.  She is who we need right now.  The State of Texas is a complete shithole at this point.  Anyone who can should get the hell out.  Leave it to the Fatty's and Iconos of the world.

That would be giving them exactly what they want and would reward them for their horrible behavior. Fuck that and fuck them.

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24 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

That would be giving them exactly what they want and would reward them for their horrible behavior. Fuck that and fuck them.

It would also piss 99% of the women off in this country.  And I would imagine a fair few men men.  Kate Cox is a hero, and she is absolutely the hero we need.  The Texas idiots are going to come out of this with egg on their face.  

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so she was able travel someplace civilized to get the services she needed? no doubt they are going to pull out all the stops trying to figure out how to nail her for it. and her husband/family for helping. 

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This maneuver by Paxton is woefully unpopular, even with a decent-sized chunk of his base.  

So why's he doubling down on it?  

Because y'all keep talking about him.  Good, bad, or indifferent.  He's an absolute master at remaining relevant no matter how shitty the context.  When you're in the headlines, you're safe.

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5 minutes ago, Shut up Lou Holtz said:

So did the doctor not state it well enough to fit the exception?

This may come as a shock but doctors speak in medical terms. Fascist fucks with evil intent speak in their own language. The phrasing of the law and the words it requires a physician to attest are not something they encounter in the ordinary course of their jobs, nor are they trained to.

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2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

This may come as a shock but doctors speak in medical terms. Fascist fucks with evil intent speak in their own language. The phrasing of the law and the words it requires a physician to attest are not something they encounter in the ordinary course of their jobs, nor are they trained to.

Yeah, I'm inclined to assume the same.  This is a nightmare come true.  Good luck with the 2024 vote, 'pubs.

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3 minutes ago, Chopper said:

This may come as a shock but doctors speak in medical terms. Fascist fucks with evil intent speak in their own language. The phrasing of the law and the words it requires a physician to attest are not something they encounter in the ordinary course of their jobs, nor are they trained to.

That makes sense. I have a daughter and I’m so pissed off right now. Fuck Paxton in every way possible 

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28 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

I just checked the local news station's FB page.  It is usually infested with repugnant morons and abhorrent cretins. 

The overwhelming response to this story is that Paxton needs to fuck off. I'm absolutely shocked.

A bunch of the hardcore anti-abortion/MAGA types are going hard after her, and she's a mom who actually wants more kids and is not some teen trying to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy (and she's white, let's not kid ourselves), so I'm not surprised that a lot of people are taking her side.

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8 minutes ago, Shut up Lou Holtz said:

That makes sense. I have a daughter and I’m so pissed off right now. Fuck Paxton in every way possible 

Yeah the reality is I unintentionally undersold the amount of evil intent involved by Paxton.

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23 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

This maneuver by Paxton is woefully unpopular, even with a decent-sized chunk of his base.  

So why's he doubling down on it?  

Because y'all keep talking about him.  Good, bad, or indifferent.  He's an absolute master at remaining relevant no matter how shitty the context.  When you're in the headlines, you're safe.

You're leaving out that Paxton is only able to pursue his christofascist agenda because of the complete and total failure of our justice system to effectively prosecute fascists when they break the law. I have it on good surly legal authority that it is all very legal and very cool though

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13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

A bunch of the hardcore anti-abortion/MAGA types are going hard after her, and she's a mom who actually wants more kids and is not some teen trying to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy (and she's white, let's not kid ourselves), so I'm not surprised that a lot of people are taking her side.

As I said, she is the hero we need.  They show their crazy going after her.

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17 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

This maneuver by Paxton is woefully unpopular, even with a decent-sized chunk of his base.  

So why's he doubling down on it?  

Because y'all keep talking about him.  Good, bad, or indifferent.  He's an absolute master at remaining relevant no matter how shitty the context.  When you're in the headlines, you're safe.

He's doubling down because he's hit his ceiling and there are no other offices in Texas within his reach, and he probably has a big chunk of West Texas fracking money behind him.

He may think Trump will appoint him if he does the impossible and win again, but Trump won't, because he's cock-eyed.

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7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He's doubling down because he's hit his ceiling and there are no other offices in Texas within his reach, and he probably has a big chunk of West Texas fracking money behind him.

He may think Trump will appoint him if he does the impossible and win again, but Trump won't, because he's cock-eyed.

Like the optimistic Billy Mumphrey?  

I agree with your assessment.  But we both know how to count to 100.  The trouble with this pissing contest from Florida to Texas to every other 'red' state in between is eventually somebody's gonna do the math.  Even if Trump wins, or the guy in 2028 becomes even more sadistically cruel...there's only so many judicial appointments and cabinet positions to go around.  Lotta people gonna be left standing without a chair when the music stops, having visited much terror and cruelty upon a lot of women, children, and brown people.  

We are all the audience to hundreds of sociopathic shitheels auditioning for the same one-man show.  And there are no rainchecks, refunds, or intermissions.  

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18 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I agree with your assessment.  But we both know how to count to 100.  The trouble with this pissing contest from Florida to Texas to every other 'red' state in between is eventually somebody's gonna do the math.  Even if Trump wins, or the guy in 2028 becomes even more sadistically cruel...there's only so many judicial appointments and cabinet positions to go around.  Lotta people gonna be left standing without a chair when the music stops, having visited much terror and cruelty upon a lot of women, children, and brown people.  

We are all the audience to hundreds of sociopathic shitheels auditioning for the same one-man show.  And there are no rainchecks, refunds, or intermissions.  

Paxton is forever a big fish in a small pond.  Or he thinks he's a big fish and he currently has the power of a big fish, so he's going to keep this shit up.

I will not be surprised if Abbott calls another special session that gets into abortion as well.

 

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1 hour ago, mchookem said:

so she was able travel someplace civilized to get the services she needed? no doubt they are going to pull out all the stops trying to figure out how to nail her for it. and her husband/family for helping. 

Fuck @fattyflattie

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Here's what I don't get.  Y'all like to throw around the "every accusation is a confession" trope on every single thread.  And I kinda get it, to an extent.  And as I've berated the point over and over again (as is the Lobo way), the worst thing to happen to women is men and now a close second is other women.  But conflate the two.  Honestly.  Let it stir around in your head.  We saw it coming that guys like Abbott and Paxton and Patrick and most of our State Supreme Court would do this women.  And not to discard our responsibility in all of this, but why in the ever living fuck are other Texas women voting this way to punish other Texas women?  Is it some sort of penance for their own path in life?  They're women.  Most of them have daughters.  They have to see, at some rudimentary level, that this just sets the stage for their own re-subjugation.  There's nothing about this path that ends well for women.  Even Aunt Lydia still lived a miserable existence, with a heel on her throat.  Don't they realize, when this agenda is done with---the first people they come for to exact revenge are always the middle-aged/elderly women?  That's always the first group we destroy.  Always.  The irony being you've nothing left to offer society and the girls you broke and the men you enabled, who do you think we'll take out our guilt and frustration on?  Read a fucking book.

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2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

It would also piss 99% of the women off in this country.  And I would imagine a fair few men men.  Kate Cox is a hero, and she is absolutely the hero we need.  The Texas idiots are going to come out of this with egg on their face.  

I was thinking “What horrific thing did Paxton try to do now?” Yes this one is going to hurt his GQP friends at the ballot box. The lengths men will go to just to regulate what a woman can do with their body is insane.

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Here's Jessica Valenti's article about the Texas situation. https://jessica.substack.com/p/a-country-of-walking-coffins
 

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Kate Cox is leaving Texas to get an abortion. The 31 year-old mother-of-two didn’t want to watch her baby have a heart attack or die of suffocation. She didn’t want to put her health at risk, or ruin her chances of having another child in the future. That’s why Cox, after being given a fatal fetal diagnosis, asked for an emergency order to get an abortion: it was her plea to the state to prevent her baby’s suffering and to stop her own.

In a just world, it would be unthinkable for a woman to have to beg the courts for such a thing. But Cox doesn’t live in a just world, she lives in Texas. And in Texas, women are expected to carry doomed pregnancies to term.

Even after a judge granted Cox the emergency order, Republican Attorney General Ken Paxton went straight to the Texas Supreme Court. That’s how intent he is on ensuring women suffer through every single day of their nonviable pregnancies. So on Friday, when the Court agreed to temporarily block Cox from getting an abortion—expecting her to once again plead for just a few scraps of humanity—she made the decision to leave.

I’m so glad that she did. The truth is that it was remarkably brave and selfless of Cox to stay as long as she did. She was clearly fighting the good fight in Texas so that any women who come after her might have an easier time, but there’s only so long someone can put their health at risk.

As relieved as I am that Cox will travel to a state where she can get the compassionate care she needs, there’s a question festering at the back of my mind:

What if there was no other state to go to? What if instead of being forced to travel to a neighboring state—an already-impossible hurdle for many Americans—Cox had to travel to a nearby country?

That is not some hyperbolic hypothetical: it’s exactly what life would look like under Republicans’ 15-week national ban. And we can’t let voters forget it.

Republican lawmakers and conservative activists have been pushing a 15-week national ban as a supposed ‘compromise’ on abortion: it’s the focus of their abortion talking points, and powerful anti-choice groups expect candidates to publicly declare their support for such legislation.

But this ‘middle ground’ would force women like Kate Cox to either flee the country entirely or carry their doomed pregnancies to term just to watch their babies die. Remember Samantha Casiano vomiting on the stand while recounting her daughter taking pained last breaths? That’s what Republicans’ compromise would look like every day, in every state.

Because despite all of the ‘reasonable’ rhetoric, the GOP’s 15-week ban is not unlike Texas’ law: there is no ‘exception’ for fatal fetal abnormalities. Women in every state would be forced to carry dying fetuses to term. And even though doomed pregnancies are more likely to put women’s health and lives at risk, abortions for health and life would only be granted when women are deemed sufficiently ‘sick enough’—a standard decided not by doctors, but politicians.

In Cox’s case, the Texas lawyer fighting to stop the emergency order argued that she wasn’t “at any more of a risk, let alone life-threatening, than the countless women who give birth every day with similar medical histories.” Paxton even sent a letter to area hospitals warning them against providing Cox an abortion, claiming that she hadn’t proved her condition was “life-threatening.”

Just how sick was Cox supposed to get before she was allowed care? Should she have waited until she was dying of sepsis? That’s what Amanda Zurawski’s doctors did out of fear of the state’s ban, and the near-fatal infection caused one of Zurawski’s fallopian tubes to permanently close. Now that she’s suing, though, Texas says her doctors didn’t act quickly enough.

Imagine what this kind of cruelty and confusion looks like on a national level: About 120,000 pregnancies are diagnosed with fetal abnormalities every year, and congenital malformations are responsible for thousands of infant deaths per year.

Are Republicans prepared for a country where thousands or tens of thousands of women are suing for the right not to be treated as “walking coffins”? Do they understand what it will mean when local hospital NICUs are overloaded with dying babies, or what it will do to communities as families go bankrupt from medical costs and baby funerals? Will they be buying stock in infant burial gowns?

Even if conservatives do allow abortions in pregnancies with fatal abnormalities—telling us how generous they are to do so—the nightmare won’t end, and women will still have to beg for care: Parents will have to show that a baby born without a skull is, in fact, going to die. Or that their daughter’s condition constitutes being “lethal” even though she’ll survive a few days rather than a few hours.

People who might otherwise be able to grieve and recover at home in peace will still be treated to lawyers and courtrooms. Can someone show me where the ‘pro-life’ part is in all of this?

There’s a reason that Cox’s story has attracted national and international attention. The whole world truly has been watching the cruelty of abortion bans in real time. But what’s happening in Texas isn’t some unthinkable outlier—it’s the reality in half the country. And conservatives are planning for a rapid expansion everywhere else.

In October, I published an investigation into how the anti-abortion movement is quietly spending millions of dollars on new initiatives for ‘prenatal counseling’ and ‘perinatal hospice care’. This isn’t a coincidence. These groups are working to change legislation, medical norms, patient care and more—all in the service of pressuring and forcing American women to carry doomed pregnancies to term. They’ve prepared for cases like Cox’s, and they’re not planning on backing down.

As the saying goes: None of the suffering we’re seeing is a bug—it’s a feature. Most insulting of all, Republicans want to sell us that suffering a ‘compromise’, as if they’re doing us a favor.

Anyone who has been horrified by what’s happened to Kate Cox needs to understand that the cruelty doesn’t stop with her story, and it certainly won’t stop for you.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Look, if you incorrectly believe that a fertilized egg is a human being, or that government has the right to legislate morality based on pressure from churches, then go ahead be that fucking stupid.  There's nothing any of us can do to stop you.

But this isn't some woman who just doesn't want to be pregnant anymore; this is a mother who's trying to have her third child.  And now she doesn't get to, because she got horribly unlucky, and she must be absolutely gutted right now.  And you pieces of shit are going to tell her that she has to risk her own life and her future fertility (holy irony, Batman) because you don't want to set a precedent.  There's a legal apparatus in place for a medical exception, and any reasonable person can see that this situation qualifies, or why even have such a medical exception?  But no, you fucking ghouls want to make a point.  There's no abortion in Texas.  Period.  Baby Jesus don't like it, so we don't like it.  And, let's be honest, you also want the next few dozen women who get this horribly unlucky to understand they need to just go ahead and go to another state to have their abortion, quietly.  You don't even care that the abortion happens anyway, not really.  You only care that it doesn't happen here.

Y'all had better damn well hope there isn't a god. 

 

All of this! You have my vote!

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40 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

They're women.  Most of them have daughters.  They have to see, at some rudimentary level, that this just sets the stage for their own re-subjugation. 

Just because they're women doesn't mean they're smart. Plenty of them are spoon-fed copious amounts of jesus bullshit every weekend. And some simply believe, "It'll never happen to me." edit - and some are past the age of fertility and their brains are twisted with wingnut politics.

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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

This may come as a shock but doctors speak in medical terms. Fascist fucks with evil intent speak in their own language. The phrasing of the law and the words it requires a physician to attest are not something they encounter in the ordinary course of their jobs, nor are they trained to.

If Cox’s lawyer truly failed to ask the expert witness physician if his/her opinions were based in reasonable medical probability, that failure was both idiocy and malpractice. 
 

Still, fuck Paxton and the Supremes. 

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6 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Just because they're women doesn't mean they're smart. Plenty of them are spoon-fed copious amounts of jesus bullshit every weekend. And some simply believe, "It'll never happen to me."

They are smarter than us.  And they are more faithful and spiritual than us.  And this may sound sexist, but spoiler alert-Texas men jumped that shark a long while ago---they are more caring and nurturing than men are.  That's a biological fact and report my post ladies if you don't like it.  On the whole, mothers are more protective than non-mothers/men/children.  By design and y'all fucking know it.  So why in the ever loving fuck...are they doing this to one another?  It's one thing to be pro-life and say, "I made some choices as a young lady, but I've got my babies now and I love them and other females should behave accordingly."  That's weird, but I get it.  It has now gone full-tilt to "Fuck you.  Fuck your miscarriages.  Fuck your mistakes.  Fuck your chances for more kids down the road.  Fuck your fertility.  Fuck your sins.  Fuck your choices.  Fuck you for trying to subvert Jesus' plan.  Fuck you for not worshipping Abbott and Patrick and Paxton.  You made your bed of lies, now sleep in it with your heathen boyfriend you shitty example to my daughters!"  Tens of millions of women think this way nationwide.  And sorry to say, men are mostly to blame.  But they are running a dangerous second because they know the stakes but don't give a shit anyway. 

Margaret Atwood once told a table of us that "A Handmaid's Tale" was a hyperbole, Aunt Lydia was a caricature.  All for literary effect.  But her prize mistake was not realizing the vision would not visited upon our society by men, but rather emboldened by other women.  And here, as they say, we all are..................................

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13 minutes ago, Tonesky said:

If Cox’s lawyer truly failed to ask the expert witness physician if his/her opinions were based in reasonable medical probability, that failure was both idiocy and malpractice. 
 

Still, fuck Paxton and the Supremes. 

That's not the case. What makes you think it is? The AG brought in some physician who has never even examined the Texas woman to give some bullshit opinion. This is the statement of facts taken from the pleadings to the Texas Supreme Court on behalf of Mrs. Cox. Forgive the formatting but it's a jpg https://search.txcourts.gov/SearchMedia.aspx?MediaVersionID=61b3cee5-8438-4ea8-ba54-39036b7918cc&coa=cossup&DT=BRIEFS&MediaID=9fe0dc06-8f88-4ba0-afb7-5653b565f992

 

As to Ms. Cox’s future fertility, all her physicians have explained
that because she has two young children already, each delivered via
cesarean surgery (“C-section”), any subsequent deliveries come with
significant risks. If Ms. Cox is induced or attempts to deliver vaginally,
she is at high risk for uterine rupture, which is why major medical
organizations like the American College of Obstetricians and
Gynecologists (“ACOG”) recommend against induction for patients who

have had recent and repeat C-sections. Verified Pet. ¶¶ 18, 132;
see also
Vaginal Birth After Cesarean Delivery: Frequently Asked Questions,
ACOG, https://www.acog.org/womens-health/faqs/vaginal-birth-after-
cesarean-delivery. Ms. Cox’s only other option for delivery is a third C-
section, and her physicians, as well as major medical organizations, have
cautioned that with each repeat C-section—a major abdominal surgery—
the risks of serious complications including placenta problems like
placenta previa, blood transfusion, uterine rupture, damage to the
bladder, infection, and hysterectomy, all increase.
Verified Pet. ¶¶ 18,
133;
see also Cesarean Birth: Frequently Asked Questions, ACOG,
https://www.acog.org/womens-health/faqs/cesarean-birth; Nicole E.
Marshall, et al.,
Impact of Multiple Cesarean Deliveries on Maternal
Morbidity: A Systematic Review, 2011 Am. J. of Obstetrics & Gynecology,
Sept. 205(3): 262.e1-8, https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-
9378(11)00763-0/fulltext.
These conditions put her 1) at risk “of death” where the imminence
of death cannot be known
or 2) at “serious risk of substantial impairment
of her reproductive functions.
Tex. Health & Safety Code §§ 170A.002(a);
171.002(3).
Ms. Cox is aware of the current risks to her life and future fertility
and desperately wants to have more children. Her physicians have
advised her that the safest option for her health and future fertility is to
terminate her current nonviable pregnancy, and given her ongoing

health concerns, such abortion care is urgently needed. Verified Pet.
¶¶ 19, 21, 36, 131, 136-37.
Currently, Ms. Cox, her family, and her physicians, are anxiously
awaiting a ruling from the Court regarding how her critical healthcare
in Texas may legally proceed.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

They are smarter than us. 

 

In general I agree. But if you're saying every woman is smarter than every man then you probably belong in a mental institution.

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I'm not saying that at all.  To distill a typically long post is simply this:

1.  The average woman is smarter than the average man.  But in this case of bodily rights, intelligence ain't got jackshit to do with any of it.

2.  That they're actively voting to do this to one another is incredibly disturbing.  Shit on Abbott and Paxton and Patrick all you want.  Lord knows I enjoy it.  But this isn't about them being 'women of faith' anymore.  We've crossed a new Rubicon.  They're marching and block walking and fundraising to make sure their fellow moms lay in agony with rotting tissue inside them, almost ensuring no babies every grow fruitfully inside them, and that the mother/potential mother be tarred and feathered.  And for fucking what?  To appease a group of shitheads who will work to the day they die to make sure, even she has a viable baby, they'll never see a proper education, hot meal, medical care, or even reliable electricity.  

To every mother for Abbott..........this holiday season......I wish you a hearty FUCK YOU.  

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17 minutes ago, Tonesky said:

If Cox’s lawyer truly failed to ask the expert witness physician if his/her opinions were based in reasonable medical probability, that failure was both idiocy and malpractice. 
 

Still, fuck Paxton and the Supremes. 

I don't think that's the issue.  It's that the TX abortion ban only has a "medical exception" if the mother's life is in immediate danger.  There's no medical exception for risk of infertility, a fetus that can't survive, or anything else.  

3 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

It would be better for all women in Texas if Kate Cox is arrested trying to leave.  She is who we need right now.  The State of Texas is a complete shithole at this point.  Anyone who can should get the hell out.  Leave it to the Fatty's and Iconos of the world.

It's not just abortion.  I can't imagine anyone wanting to be an OB/GYN in Texas right now.  Good luck to Texas hospital systems trying to lure OB residents into their programs.  In a few years, there will be an even bigger crisis.

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4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

That's not the case. What makes you think it is? The AG brought in some physician who has never even examined the Texas woman to give some bullshit opinion. This is the statement of facts taken from the pleadings to the Texas Supreme Court on behalf of Mrs. Cox. Forgive the formatting but it's a jpg https://….

My statement was IF it is the case that….

But, your post tends to confirm that to be the case. “Reasonable medical probability” is both in the statue and a term of art required to support medical opinions in Texas courtrooms. The lawyer proferring the expert testimony should have prepped the witness to know the crucial need to use those magic words, and then teed up a fat pitch straight down the middle. 

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2 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I don't think that's the issue.  It's that the TX abortion ban only has a "medical exception" if the mother's life is in immediate danger.  There's no medical exception for risk of infertility, a fetus that can't survive, or anything else. 

Also as Ms. Cox's representation argued to the Tx Supreme Court:

"Namely, the problem with an objective reasonable judgment standard in the context of abortion bans is that the State can and will always find an expert to disagree with a particular physician’s judgment and say that the physician’s reliance on the exception was unreasonable."

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3 minutes ago, Tonesky said:

My statement was IF it is the case that….

But, your post tends to confirm that to be the case. “Reasonable medical probability” is both in the statue and a term of art required to support medical opinions in Texas courtrooms. The lawyer proferring the expert testimony should have prepped the witness to know the crucial need to use those magic words, and then teed up a fat pitch straight down the middle. 

Wrong. See the post above. There is no such thing as magic words. There's doctors doing their jobs and there's women trying to live their lives.

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Yeah, considering when these even more harsh laws went into effect recently, you'll have to forgive physicians, expectant mothers, and even their lawyers for not having taken off the last 3+ months to get coached up in the ways of legalese and semantics.  Considering they were probably busy doing medicine, mommy, and attorney shit...

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5 minutes ago, Tonesky said:

My statement was IF it is the case that….

But, your post tends to confirm that to be the case. “Reasonable medical probability” is both in the statue and a term of art required to support medical opinions in Texas courtrooms. The lawyer proferring the expert testimony should have prepped the witness to know the crucial need to use those magic words, and then teed up a fat pitch straight down the middle. 

You're missing the critical point: her doctor couldn't say her life was in immediate danger. That's the crux of the issue, not that her doctor couldn't state opinions to a reasonable degree of medical certainty. The statutory exception is incredibly limited. Doctors have told patients and testified that they cannot even consider abortion under the statute unless the patient is literally on death's door. Republicans have tried to suggest that isn't the case. The Texas Supreme Court just confirmed that it is. 

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