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1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

This is happening in 2023. 

It's a feature of today's GQP.

If I had Soros money, I'd be pushing the GQP to keep doing shit like going after abortion and riling a lot of women up.  They will make a difference in 2024 (just as they probably did in 2020).

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On 12/12/2023 at 2:34 PM, YGIFS said:

About as well as your bumper sticker program?  ;)  

You are right though, there are really no adults at the helm anymore.  I don't know what the fuck happened, but my children are going to pay a price because Abbott is upset with his station(ary) in life, Paxton's worldview is bent, and Dan patrick feels like a taller, less funny, more lesbian-dressed version of Patton Oswalt.  And the three of them are gonna take it out on young Texas women.  


And it's all being financed by a few West Texas billionaires because the supreme court gave them cart blanche to buy politicians. Dan Patrick got THREE MILLION DOLLARS from a pro-Paxton group in June as he was presiding over Paxton's trial. It's naked corruption.

 

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56 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

It's a feature of today's GQP.

If I had Soros money, I'd be pushing the GQP to keep doing shit like going after abortion and riling a lot of women up.  They will make a difference in 2024 (just as they probably did in 2020).


What I want to know is why did the hospital call the law? Isn't that a HIPAA violation? What, a nurse calls the cops and says "we got a miscarriage you should search her toilet?" How does that happen?

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9 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


What I want to know is why did the hospital call the law? Isn't that a HIPAA violation? What, a nurse calls the cops and says "we got a miscarriage you should search her toilet?" How does that happen?

When the patient is female, there is no such thing as a HIPAA violation. GOP gendarme out front should have told you.

W/O going back and rereading the article, I think she was charged with abuse of a corpse? Perhaps the hospital called because of the various laws that have been enacted to pursue criminal charges surrounding females and abortions/fetuses/etc and hospitals are very risk averse to things of that sort wouldn't you say? Better to deflect any potential damages criminal or financial onto the victim. (which in this case was not the fetus unless you count the hospital sending the patient womb host home multiple times)

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1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

When the patient is female, there is no such thing as a HIPAA violation. GOP gendarme out front should have told you.

W/O going back and rereading the article, I think she was charged with abuse of a corpse? Perhaps the hospital called because of the various laws that have been enacted to pursue criminal charges surrounding females and abortions/fetuses/etc and hospitals are very risk averse to things of that sort wouldn't you say? Better to deflect any potential damages criminal or financial onto the victim. (which in this case was not the fetus unless you count the hospital sending the patient womb host home multiple times)


 

 

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It really seems like these people are going to fuck around and find out in the harshest of ways. 
I'm wondering what has led you to believe this. I would love to share your optimism, but at this point, I'm at a loss.
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Why is it that the men demanding the most draconian of abortion laws always seem to be the guy least likely to be able to get laid in the first place?  

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24 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Why is it that the men demanding the most draconian of abortion laws always seem to be the guy least likely to be able to get laid in the first place?  

Because they hate women.  

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15 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:


 

My convictions were forged in the crucibles?

you know some hateful shit was going to follow that  

And who talks like that? I don’t know anyone who talks like that  I guess they don’t run in my circles  

 

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1 minute ago, yoladu said:

My convictions were forged in the crucibles?

you know some hateful shit was going to follow that  

And who talks like that? I don’t know anyone who talks like that  I guess they don’t run in my circles  

 

Did he steal his campaign slogan from Wheeler's book?  

Dammit Bob, another IP lawsuit on the way...

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3 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Did he steal his campaign slogan from Wheeler's book?  

Dammit Bob, another IP lawsuit on the way...

Go back further to the subject of the Arthur Miller play with a similar title--perhaps Justice Devine identifies as a prosecutor from the Salem Witch trials of the 1700s and the forging he is talking about is his imagining all us shameful sinful wommens burning burning burning. Devine gotta blame them women for the forging of his convictions (I state it that way because doesn't it seem as if he would have no moral standing or convictions whatsoever if it were not for women and their reproductive freedom and choices? Weird weird man)

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39 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

This.  See how some of our resident GQPers talk about the women in this site.  Look at how certain GQP Presidential candidates (looking at you Vivek) blame single women for economic woes.  There is a deep seated hatred of women, especially strong independent women, by a lot of men in this country.

It just becomes more obvious over time. Someone broke their heart or didn't fuck them as if that's their unique experience, they discover a community from Population Everyone but specified to their particular version that's prone to sweeping generalizations that they then extract "oh! Here's the problem!" instead of the truth. Life is suffering and suffering isn't evidence of an injustice perpetuated upon you.

 

 

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On 12/25/2023 at 6:26 PM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

This.  See how some of our resident GQPers talk about the women in this site.  Look at how certain GQP Presidential candidates (looking at you Vivek) blame single women for economic woes.  There is a deep seated hatred of women, especially strong independent women, by a lot of men in this country.

Flash:  they hate everyone, and they hate themselves.   This is why they come across as perpetually twisted/mad bro.

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On 12/25/2023 at 1:15 PM, YGIFS said:

Why is it that the men demanding the most draconian of abortion laws always seem to be the guy least likely to be able to get laid in the first place?  

You, my friend, have blessedly not been inducted into Incel Theory. Because so, so much of this is all about dudes getting themselves laid.

See, these dudes view women’s control over reproduction as the cog that leads to a breakdown of society (defined as men not getting laid). Per incel theory, birth control and anti-virals allow women to have sex with who they want without concern that they will be forced to carry a child to term and take care of it (and worry about STDs). And so, per incel theory,  young women flock to have sex with the top few percentile of men and don’t sex up all the nice guys who would be good husbands. And then, after they had their fun and they get older, they look for a beta to marry and maybe have one kid with. 
 

How to fix this? Well, first you make it so that any sex act may lead (for women) to life-altering consequences. Next, you cut sex ed and make sex terrifying and also make basic health care inaccessible.

And now it’s fixed! All those women can either live celibate and alone forever, or they can get with the program and get assigned their husband early if they want any sort of companionship and intimacy. Win for society (society, here, is dudes getting laid). 
 

All perfectly rational here except it’s the thought process of incel weirdos who think they are owed sex.  
 

But the kernel of truth is that women’s autonomy hinges on birth control and reproductive health. Which is what these people want to go away. 

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8 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

But the kernel of truth is that women’s autonomy hinges on birth control and reproductive health. Which is what these people want to go away. 

And frankly, it's what those whores deserve, what with them having vaginas and all.

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My father used to frequently explain to me, in my youth on Wednesdays and alternating weekends, that most people don't realize how much of the world's ills aren't to blame on religion, or politics, or race, nor creed...but the underlying cause is people's low self-esteem.  And those other "factions" or "causes" or "biases" are just something on which they lash out because of their frustration of themselves.  Now, ironically my parents did a pretty good job whipping the self-esteem out of me.  But they at least taught me critical thinking so that I could be skeptical and see the world for what it really was.  

 I naively thought for decades that abortion and reproductive rights were about the bible or "coming from a good family."  It's shit, it's all bullshit.  It's about men who don't feel good about themselves trying to make women they can't have feel even worse.  And honestly, if I didn't have two daughters, I wouldn't even bother giving a fuck anymore.  But I gotta keep at it because yeah, admittedly, I don't want them growing up sexually active, posting risque dances on tick-tok, but I'm tired of people waking up trying to find ways to make them feel ashamed about being girls.  And I've said it before, and you know Lobo-he'll beat a dead horse...what blows me away way more than men with low self-esteem is how much pain and misery Texas women are visiting upon other Texas women.  I don't know that it's "well, I was raised to be more proper...abortion was never even discussed at my father's dinner table" or shame because they led a quietly active sex life or got an abortion on the down-low or what the fuck it is.  I am not taking any blame away from men in this state who aren't men, but rather cowards.  But there needs to be a serious intra-gender introspection by females and right fucking quick.  Because they are being beyond the pale to one another right now and there's really no explanation as to why from either side.  I don't fucking get it.  somebody please 'splain...

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4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

It's about men who don't feel good about themselves trying to make women they can't have feel even worse.

I get what you're saying about women, but I had to quote the above for MF truth.  That's the foundation of all of it.  Sure, there's some percentage of the anti-abortion crowd that came to their conclusions by honest means....but when you keep going, looking at the people who sold them the message, it all comes back to the bolded quote.

Men will do unspeakably stupid shit to get pussy.

Men will do unspeakably cruel shit if they're frustrated by not getting any pussy.

Men should get a handle on themselves [Brisket, posting from inside a glass house, winding up to throw this really cool stone...]

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2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

My father used to frequently explain to me, in my youth on Wednesdays and alternating weekends, that most people don't realize how much of the world's ills aren't to blame on religion, or politics, or race, nor creed...but the underlying cause is people's low self-esteem.

...and crucial to manipulating people via low self-esteem is indoctrinating them into a value system that prioritizes winning, getting what they want, and status seeking over just being a decent human being and the golden rule. 

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26 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

...and crucial to manipulating people via low self-esteem is indoctrinating them into a value system that prioritizes winning, getting what they want, and status seeking over just being a decent human being and the golden rule. 

Yep, the incredibly powerful drive to sort and classify ourselves into the most superior group, usually by dehumanizing others rather than edifying ourselves.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

 

 

The analysis seems tortured to reach the obvious conclusion they want. Start with the continuous nomenclature of "unborn child" rather than a scientific or medical term. And of course it comes down to "legislation didn't specify or define every last term, so in a battle between ill/dying woman and unborn child, gotta go with the 'child" being equal or more important, i.e. no right to abortion care." Judicial activism continues to run amok.

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If the State's view is that women are property, then why would it be surprising that the fetus is considered equal or greater than? If property expires, then simply acquire a new parcel (womb). What hasn't yet happened is the discussion (legal or otherwise) as to why the male progenitor is not allowed to make the property holder's decision versus the doctor if the male progenitor is present.

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15 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Men will do unspeakably cruel shit if they're frustrated by not getting any pussy.

 

There wouldn't be jihadists in the world if everybody could just get laid on occasion.  There's a reason why the 72 virgins is the carrot to get incels to kill themselves.

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...and crucial to manipulating people via low self-esteem is indoctrinating them into a value system that prioritizes winning, getting what they want, and status seeking over just being a decent human being and the golden rule. 

Yeah, don’t let religion and sectarianism off the hook.
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This is infuriating.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/us/brittany-watts-ohio-miscarriage-abortion.html

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A grand jury in Ohio is considering whether to indict a woman who miscarried a nonviable fetus at home and has been charged with abuse of a corpse in what experts say is an extremely rare interpretation of a state law.

The woman, Brittany Watts, 34, of Warren, Ohio, was arrested in October after passing a fetus in her bathroom and trying to flush the remains down the toilet. The case has been before a Trumbull County grand jury since November. If convicted, Ms. Watts, who could face up to a year in prison. She has pleaded not guilty.

The grand jury was expected to give its report on Wednesday, but Guy M. Vogrin, a spokesman for the Trumbull County prosecutor, said the case had been continued until the next session in a couple weeks. The reason for the postponement was unclear as grand jury proceedings are secret.

Although records show that Ms. Watts spontaneously miscarried, a finding that the state has not challenged, the case has come under scrutiny by lawyers and reproductive health advocates who say that prosecuting her is baseless and may deter other women who miscarry from obtaining medical attention they need.

The charge came a month before Ohio voters enshrined the right to abortion in the State Constitution until the point of fetal viability, 22 weeks in the state, as well as the right to contraception, fertility treatment and miscarriage care.

The measure, which went into effect in early December, was part of a winning streak for abortion-rights groups after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June 2022. Ms. Watts is being “demonized for something that goes on everyday,” her lawyer, Traci Timko, said before Judge Terry Ivanchak of the Warren Municipal Court last month.

But Judge Ivanchak, who has since retired, found probable cause to send the charge to a grand jury for consideration.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

 

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

The autopsy report found that the fetus had died in utero — before delivery — because of complications of premature rupturing of the membranes.

The police charged Ms. Watts on Oct. 5 with abuse of corpse as a felony under a law adopted by the Ohio Legislature in 1996. The case is being prosecuted by the Warren City Prosecutor’s Office.

 

The law in question bars the treatment of “a human corpse in a way that the person knows would outrage” either “reasonable family sensibilities,” resulting in a misdemeanor, or “community sensibilities,” resulting in a felony charge.

“From a legal perspective, there’s no definition of ‘corpse,’” Ms. Timko, Ms. Watts’s lawyer, said in the interview with The Associated Press. “Can you be a corpse if you never took a breath?”

Ohio law determines fetal viability starts at 22 weeks. Ms. Watts arrived at the hospital at 21 weeks and 5 days.

Joshua Dressler, a former criminal law professor at Ohio State University, said the statute being used by prosecutors was “rarely enforced” and typically involves the abuse or mutilation of a human being. But in common law, a fetus does not become a human being until birth, he said, and since the fetus died in utero, “this would, to me, not constitute being a human corpse.”

“This is an entirely different way of understanding the meaning of the term corpse,” he said. “I think this is a serious, serious problem with the prosecution on those grounds.”

Jessie Hill, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University who has worked on abortion rights cases, said Ms. Watt’s case wades into the debate over fetal personhood.

“By using something like abuse of corpse as a hook to prosecute this case, it kind of assumes the conclusion that this fetus was a person or the equivalent to a born person,” she said. “That’s definitely a troubling aspect of the case.”

Ms. Hill also noted “pregnancy outcomes for people of color are so much more likely to be questioned and to result in criminalization.”

Had Ms. Watts miscarried at the hospital, Ms. Hill said, the fetus would not have been treated as a corpse.

Last month, Dennis Watkins, the Trumbull County prosecutor, a Democrat, said his office was “duty bound” to follow Ohio law and move forward with a grand jury proceeding.

But Michael Benza, a criminal law professor at Case Western, said it was up to the prosecutor to decide. He said “there are a lot of problems” with the prosecutor’s case, including the definition of a human corpse. But the prosecution’s biggest challenge might be in the vagueness of the language.

“If my students wrote this statute,” he said, “they would fail.”

First, prosecutors must make a case for why the remains constitute a human corpse. They’ll also have to persuade the jury that Ms. Watts’s actions brought “outrage” to the public.

The prosecution’s interpretation of the statute exceeds its intentions, Mr. Benza said, but public pressure may have prompted the prosecutor to place charges.

Ohio Physicians for Reproductive Rights sent a letter to the prosecutor, Mr. Watkins, “protesting the unjust prosecution” of Ms. Watts, and urged him to dismiss “the unwarranted” charge. More than 4,000 health care workers and community leaders signed the letter.

Ms. Hill, the reproductive health lawyer, said Ms. Watts’s case may be a sign of things to come in Ohio in the wake of the constitutional amendment to protect reproductive health care, and said there could be more efforts to criminalize miscarriages and other pregnancy outcomes.

Fuck the GQP.

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Some of the recent headlines discussed how there has been outflow of residents from 'blue' to 'red' states, but less discussed were the headlines that mentioned that life expectancy was longer in 'blue' states vs 'red' states. Come to conservative states to reach heaven sooner is the motto you know. Or hell while alive. You'd think women would be leaving as soon as they could scrape together enough to do so but that kind of mobility for many women is difficult and always has been.

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On 1/3/2024 at 5:08 PM, Neonmoon said:

If you are a female that lives in a red state: move to a blue state 

 

 

I have 5 nieces.  Two have already left Texas and the other 3 are in the process of leaving.  

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I have 5 nieces.  Two have already left Texas and the other 3 are in the process of leaving.  

My sister (no pics) is leaving next summer. She is taking her daughter out of this shit hole.
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/01/05/abortion-amendment-florida-pregnancy-ban-planned-parenthood/

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Florida abortion amendment gets enough signatures for 2024 ballot

The constitutional amendment still needs the approval of the Florida Supreme Court to qualify.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Abortion access protesters gathered at Joe Chillura Courthouse Square in Tampa on Jan. 22, 2023, which marked the 50th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision. Abortion access protesters gathered at Joe Chillura Courthouse Square in Tampa on Jan. 22, 2023, which marked the 50th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision. [ AYA DIAB | Times ]

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Published Earlier today|Updated 4 hours ago

Backers of a proposed constitutional amendment that would undo Florida’s restrictive abortion laws have surpassed the required number of petition signatures to get on the 2024 ballot, according to data from the Florida Division of Elections.

But Floridians Protecting Freedom still faces the hurdle of state Supreme Court approval. Attorney General Ashley Moody has asked the Florida high court to disqualify the amendment from the ballot, saying the language could mislead voters.

The proposal would amend the state’s Constitution to explicitly protect abortion access until viability, which is estimated to be around 24 weeks.

It would undo the state’s current 15-week abortion ban and negate a six-week banlawmakers approved to take effect pending the outcome of an ongoing Florida Supreme Court case.

The Florida group needed 891,523 verified petitions to make it on the ballot. As of Friday’s count, the Division of Elections had verified 910,946. The campaign said it expects to receive official notification in the coming weeks.

More than 63,000 of those petitions came from Pinellas and more than 71,000 came from Hillsborough.

“The fact that we only launched our campaign eight months ago and we’ve already reached our petition goal speaks to the unprecedented support and momentum there is to get politicians out of our private lives and health care decisions,” Floridians Protecting Freedom Campaign Director Lauren Brenzel said in a statement. “Most initiative campaigns never make it this far. The ones that do usually spend far more or take much longer to qualify, which is why we’re so confident that voters will approve our amendment once they’re given a chance to vote.”

Since the U.S. Supreme Court in 2022overturned Roe v. Wade — the 1973 case that declared abortion was constitutionally protected — seven states have had ballot measures related to abortion. In each case, voters have supported more abortion access or denied further restrictions. The most recent case was in Ohio, where about 57% of voters in November supported a measure that would protect abortion up until viability, similar to Florida’s proposed amendment.

 

Floridians Protecting Freedom, which is backed by organizations like Planned Parenthood and the ACLU of Florida, had raised nearly $9 million as of the end of September.

The largest one-time donation, of $1 million, came from Democratic activist and philanthropist Marsha Laufer, who donated in late April shortly before the campaign’s launch.

The next step for the campaign will depend on the conservative Florida Supreme Court’s ruling. The court has scheduled oral arguments for Feb. 7. Moody raised concern over the amendment’s use of the term “viability,” which she says can be interpreted as having multiple meanings.

Florida law defines viability as “the stage of fetal development when the life of a fetus is sustainable outside the womb through standard medical measures.”

The petition campaign director, Brenzel, said earlier this year that Moody’s filing represents a “disingenuous argument by a politician desperate to block Floridians from voting on this amendment.”

If the amendment makes it onto the ballot, it can only pass with at least 60% of voters in support.

 

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Ireland allowed a vote in which the citizens chose to make it legal after a woman died under very similar circumstances as those under which Texas women are, or soon will be, dying. If there haven't been deaths here, it's just a matter of time because a lot of shit that happens during pregnancy that leads to death is not that uncommon. Perhaps publicizing a death will make a difference. But we don't get to have ballot measures like other states... so less freedom than other states.... or even Ireland. Yet the Freedom Flag Eagle Patriot bullshit myth persists. 

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