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24 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I’m not saying Arch should start if Quinn is healthy, but we aren’t winning another game if our offensive game plan is limited to what we were capable of in the 4th quarter yesterday.

Wait, you're saying we aren't winning another game, all of which will be against Top 20 opponents (or so), if we never pass the ball?  Well, that's breaking news.

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12 minutes ago, Derka said:

….yes you do. are you joking and i’m failing to pick up on it or something? Arch Manning was the third ever 1.000 QB and is seen as the pied piper by many of his peers. he could have gone to any school he wanted to, do you seriously think that he and his family had zero input on how the coach plans to utilize him, particularly *this* family? the Mannings have always wanted Arch to redshirt, backup quinn for a year, and then take over in 2025. it’s not like this is even speculation, this is known. but that seems silly to you? the royal family of quarterbacks has the no.1 qb recruit in the nation heading for college and you think its silly that they would have input on how Arch gets used?

it’s like every day someone tries to set a new bar for most bizarre take in this thread

When Manning signed with Texas the thinking (consensus) was Quinn would light it up in 2023 and would be an early first round draft pick.  Quinn got hurt and decided to stay this year to improve his draft position as last year’s qb draft was deep.  The Mannings were ok with Arch backing up this year but that wasn’t the “plan” when he signed.

 

 

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah and if he had been a bit lighter on his feet on that strip/score, he might have sidestepped the guy that tipped the ball when he had it low.  He went kind of nuts after that overthinking everything.

agreed. I think QE is "late" on throws a fair bit and this is causing some of these strips.  I think he is late on deep balls also.  he has the arm but he seems to want to put too much air under them and have the receiver catch the ball in the end zone/way down field vs. hitting him sooner with a lower trajectory.  but I admit it is hard to know because we don't know the nuances of what Sark is looking for on a play.

It is nitpicking.  assuming he wins the games the backups won over the last 3 years he is 30-8. won a big 12 championship, made the playoffs now 2 years in a row.  He's doing something right.  He has had a 2-3 bad halves this year but other than that has been basically money.

Sark get paid the big money to make sure Manning is ready when needed and to make the call.

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3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 


No, he wasn’t. He wasn’t even the #1 QB in his class. (Please note that I agree with you on th rest of this matter.)

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

He had one dropped snap. He hurt himself late 1Q/early 2Q.. Probably stiffened up at half, but 1 fumbled snap in like 40-50 snaps isn’t “all over the place”. The hyperbole is reaching peak Surly levels early this morning 

I thought he fumbled one, then mishandled another that turned into that fum/pick6, and made a couple absolute WTF short passes, one being backwards, the other being just insanely inaccurate. He was absolutely all over the place when our RBs were busy fumbling. 

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1 minute ago, Derka said:

every single recruit who has ever been recruited to any school ever has mapped out a plan for how they will be used by the HC/team. this has never been more true than when Arch Manning, the heir to the Manning Dynasty, chose his college and his college head coach. to think that that family is just sitting at home with their fingers crossed, oblivious to what Sark’s plans are for Arch is wild. a huge part of us landing Arch was our ability and willingness to go along with what the Manning family wants for Arch.

again, this is truly one of the most bizarre takes i’ve ever seen.

Of course they sat down and mapped it out. Of course they stay in touch. Of course they have input. 

It's the whole myth of "the deal" that makes me laugh. And you make me laugh. When you have to make up shit you lose.

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15 minutes ago, B00M said:

I thought he fumbled one, then mishandled another that turned into that fum/pick6, and made a couple absolute WTF short passes, one being backwards, the other being just insanely inaccurate. He was absolutely all over the place when our RBs were busy fumbling. 

He did, he dropped a snap before the scoop and score. I want to say to happened on the play where he threw a backward pass out of bounds. Lead to the missed FG.

We are getting Casey Thompson level performance from Quinn this season. The biggest difference is the defense is elite and we have a much better OL than year one.

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Worthy got a lot off flack for not being able to track Quinn deep balls. In hindsight it seems like it was a minor miracle he was in the vicinity of most of them. Honestly not sure how Quinn can be this bad, it has to be in his head. I don't know if he is or isn't but he should be repping them endlessly after practice at this point.

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1 minute ago, SarkAfterDark said:

Worthy got a lot off flack for not being able to track Quinn deep balls. In hindsight it seems like it was a minor miracle he was in the vicinity of most of them. Honestly not sure how Quinn can be this bad, it has to be in his head. I don't know if he is or isn't but he should be repping them endlessly after practice at this point.

It's like watching a basketball player with an insane vertical not be able to dunk. He has pinpoint accuracy in leading a receiver upfield, but as soon as he hits a certain distance he might as well have his eyes closed when throwing it. Really strange. 

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39 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

You don't hand over your kid, trusting the coach, and then say oh by the way this is when and how we want him to play. Silly.

14 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Of course they sat down and mapped it out. Of course they stay in touch. Of course they have input. 

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20 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Of course they sat down and mapped it out. Of course they stay in touch. Of course they have input. 

It's the whole myth of "the deal" that makes me laugh. And you make me laugh. When you have to make up shit you lose.

Here's where the concept of "the deal" falls apart -- when Quinn got hurt.  Arch had to step in and finish one game, then start and take every snap in two others.  I'm would strongly suspect the Manning family had no problem with that, it's football.

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58 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I think Sark is very aware of the outside noise and wanted to make it very clear he doesn't want a QB controversy.

Also I believe @TwiceHorn made a good observation. Quinn needs to be able to play dinged up and tough it out. 

This. Unless Quinn is very easily shitting the bed and and has lost the team, Sark will not pull him. It would be too easy to poison the well and negative recruit Texas for QBs after that. Quinn is only sitting if he's hurt or the game is out of reach. 

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3 minutes ago, TXs said:

This. Unless Quinn is very easily shitting the bed and and has lost the team, Sark will not pull him. It would be too easy to poison the well and negative recruit Texas for QBs after that. Quinn is only sitting if he's hurt or the game is out of reach. 

He's hurt. 

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5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Here's where the concept of "the deal" falls apart -- when Quinn got hurt.  Arch had to step in and finish one game, then start and take every snap in two others.  I'm would strongly suspect the Manning family had no problem with that, it's football.

Yep. These people have been around football long enough to know how silly some deal would be. You have to run with it. Everybody on this board -- hell CTJ was calling anyone an idiot who disagreed -- though Quinn would be gone last year. 

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No coach in the NCAA is going to bench a 3-year starter for a road game at a big rival with the conference championship game on the line unless that starter is physically unable to play the game. I’m not repping for Quinn and I have grave doubts about us winning with him in College Station, but Sark is doing what any other coach would do. Arch is mature beyond his years and our future, but no coach is going to put him in that position unless there is no choice. 

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1 hour ago, Magus Ossis said:

At this point Sark has had two years to get Arch, by almost all accounts 5-star material, ready. If he isn't ready, that is quite an indictment of our supposed QB-guru HFBC. Much more of an indictment than the inability to keep a freshly re-injured starter as the guy. Is Arch such a huge recruiting and development miss that he can't outplay an injured pocket passer who lacked a credible long-ball threat before getting hurt? Don't let the CCG or CFP be Arch's first tough start.

Being a 5 start doesn’t automatically mean the development to the next level will be easier and it’s not necessarily an indictment on Sark as qb guru either. We gotta remember that Sark runs a pro style offense and it was evident Arch wasn’t close to ready his freshman year. At this I’m not sure if Sark is being stubborn or if Arch is on a longer development curve than expected. There’s evidence for both and in all likelihood it’s probably a mixture of the two. But Arch has played 2 1/2 games already and had a big moment against Georgia. Arch isn’t dumb and more than likely realizes that if he hits the underneath route against Georgia and we get at least 3 on that drive, he’s in the driver seat right now. Or maybe not and Sark brings Ewers back out. But I do think Arch should be fine when or if his name is called no matter the situation. 

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47 minutes ago, B00M said:

I thought he fumbled one, then mishandled another that turned into that fum/pick6, and made a couple absolute WTF short passes, one being backwards, the other being just insanely inaccurate. He was absolutely all over the place when our RBs were busy fumbling. 

Fumble one snap and then threw it backwards. Fumbled on the rusher knocking it hit of his hands. 

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All the people clamoring for Arch are failing to understand that QB play is more than just deep balls and running around in the backfield. KY's FR QB did that and has earned Derka's full praise. It would be quite sad (God forbid) if Arch turns out to be not much more than white Milroe. Couple of games of KY QB/Milroe are enough for DCs to scheme against them. See yesterday's Milroe game as an example.

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2 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

All the people clamoring for Arch are failing to understand that QB play is more than just deep balls and running around in the backfield. KY's FR QB did that and has earned Derka's full praise. It would be quite sad (God forbid) if Arch turns out to be not much more than white Milroe. Couple of games of KY QB/Milroe are enough for DCs to scheme against them. See yesterday's Milroe game as an example.


That’s all fine and correct except for the fact that Ewers is incredibly easy to scheme against as well. So that’s really not a great point of differentiation. 

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1 minute ago, Newy25 said:


That’s all fine and correct except for the fact that Ewers is incredibly easy to scheme against as well. So that’s really not a great point of differentiation. 

Well, he is being schemed with 3-deep and despite our limited RB play due to injuries/fumbles, he has led us to where we are today.

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8 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

All the people clamoring for Arch are failing to understand that QB play is more than just deep balls and running around in the backfield. KY's FR QB did that and has earned Derka's full praise. It would be quite sad (God forbid) if Arch turns out to be not much more than white Milroe. Couple of games of KY QB/Milroe are enough for DCs to scheme against them. See yesterday's Milroe game as an example.

I mean, OU and Venables being able to scheme and play elite defense is who they were supposed to be this year. Most teams can’t do that. Milroe tore up Georgia (for a half at least) and LSU. 

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59 minutes ago, SarkAfterDark said:

Worthy got a lot off flack for not being able to track Quinn deep balls. In hindsight it seems like it was a minor miracle he was in the vicinity of most of them. Honestly not sure how Quinn can be this bad, it has to be in his head. I don't know if he is or isn't but he should be repping them endlessly after practice at this point.

He does not lead the WRs to open space on his deep ball. He makes it harder on himself than it needs to be. The throw to Wingo is a prime example. Wingo beats his man to the inside. There is space to throw it towards the middle of the field. Quinn throws it short and  to the outside. Throw it inside and Wingo can flatten the route and make the catch. Similar on the moon ball to Bond. 

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3 minutes ago, B00M said:

I mean, OU and Venables being able to scheme and play elite defense is who they were supposed to be this year. Most teams can’t do that. Milroe tore up Georgia (for a half at least) and LSU. 

Yes, Milroe is a good QB in a team full of 5 stars, and Ewers is a better QB in a team that is also very good. Do not disparage what is working for what could be. There are more variables to leading an offense than the few that we see and discuss.

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1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

agreed. I think QE is "late" on throws a fair bit and this is causing some of these strips.  I think he is late on deep balls also.  he has the arm but he seems to want to put too much air under them and have the receiver catch the ball in the end zone/way down field vs. hitting him sooner with a lower trajectory.  but I admit it is hard to know because we don't know the nuances of what Sark is looking for on a play.

It is nitpicking.  assuming he wins the games the backups won over the last 3 years he is 30-8. won a big 12 championship, made the playoffs now 2 years in a row.  He's doing something right.  He has had a 2-3 bad halves this year but other than that has been basically money.

Sark get paid the big money to make sure Manning is ready when needed and to make the call.

He is not Jaxon Dart, thank god.

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29 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

All the people clamoring for Arch are failing to understand that QB play is more than just deep balls and running around in the backfield. KY's FR QB did that and has earned Derka's full praise. It would be quite sad (God forbid) if Arch turns out to be not much more than white Milroe. Couple of games of KY QB/Milroe are enough for DCs to scheme against them. See yesterday's Milroe game as an example.

This post falls apart because we have seen Arch be QB1 for 2-1/2 games. His improvement was night and day between Monroe and Mississppi State. Arch lead Texas to 35 points against the only SEC defense he played, Ewers has done that once against the other 6 SEC defenses he has played.

The only reason the switch hasn't been made is likely the Manning family wants nothing to do with the controversy of replacing an entrenched starter on this team. I think the Manning and Arch himself would prefer to be QB1 throughout an entire off-season headning into the season.

I also think, if this was another Hudson Card/Casey Thompson situation the switch would have already been made.

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1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

The only reason the switch hasn't been made is likely the Manning family wants nothing to do with the controversy of replacing an entrenched starter on this team.

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19 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

Yes, Milroe is a good QB in a team full of 5 stars, and Ewers is a better QB in a team that is also very good. Do not disparage what is working for what could be. There are more variables to leading an offense than the few that we see and discuss.

Guess that’s it boys, wrap it up. 

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12 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

He is not Jaxon Dart, thank god.

My lord he completely crumbled under pressure 

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My thing is, we need Arch ready. The 2nd half yesterday was a perfect opportunity for that. History would suggest there’s nearly a 50% chance Arch will need to play significant snaps in some of our remaining games if Texas is going to win a championship. Why risk further injury to Quinn’s ankle (or ego) yesterday when there’s obvious benefit to more Arch reps and essentially no downside. 

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8 minutes ago, B00M said:

My thing is, we need Arch ready. The 2nd half yesterday was a perfect opportunity for that. History would suggest there’s nearly a 50% chance Arch will need to play significant snaps in some of our remaining games if Texas is going to win a championship. Why risk further injury to Quinn’s ankle (or ego) yesterday when there’s obvious benefit to more Arch reps and essentially no downside. 

There really isn't an argument against this that is reasonable. 

I was thinking maybe sark didn't want any manning film out there to study. 

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1 minute ago, HtownHorn said:

This post falls apart because we have seen Arch be QB1 for 2-1/2 games. His improvement was night and day between Monroe and Mississppi State. Arch lead Texas to 35 points against the only SEC defense he played, Ewers has done that once against the other 6 SEC defenses he has played.

The only reason the switch hasn't been made is likely the Manning family wants nothing to do with the controversy of replacing an entrenched starter on this team. I think the Manning and Arch himself would prefer to be QB1 throughout an entire off-season headning into the season.

I also think, if this was another Hudson Card/Casey Thompson situation the switch would have already been made.

This post is all conspiracy theories and tin hats. Ewers is currently better at everything except running and throwing the deep ball and that's why he is playing over Arch. We all looked at Arch like man he really improved vs MSU and then we turned around and nit-picked every throw when Ewers went for 333 and 5TDs in just over a half vs Florida.

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Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

People are fucking stupid. 

yes, the people who are taking the Manning family’s involvement in Arch’s recruitment process/plan for his time at Texas and making it out to be “some grand conspiracy” or anything other than standard operating procedure are fucking stupid. 

also, nobody but you has mentioned peyton and eli being involved in any of this, but don’t let that stop you from tilting at windmills.

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My position is simply that in 2010, in the national championship ship game, Mack Brown pulled Garrett Gilbert basically out of the freezer. 

Arch Manning hasn’t had a real possession since September where he was asked to do anything except hand the ball off. And it would be nice to keep the motor warmed up in case you need to drive that car. 

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Let’s just say it’s a mild sprain and wasn’t anything “major”. A mild sprain has a greater chance of turning into something major staying on the field. What if a Kentucky DL rolled up into him? So many things could have happened if you believe he’s the man to win it all for us. Very odd to have the HC leave out your best qb in a situation like that with aggy and possibly the SECCG looming and the CFP. You didn’t need him on the field to finish off Kentucky. So I’d love to hear a real reason. “It was senior night and it wasn’t that bad” is a really dumb reason to risk the rest of your season over. 

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12 minutes ago, B00M said:

My thing is, we need Arch ready. ...

This is a fact. 

 

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

I was thinking maybe sark didn't want any manning film out there to study. 

Plus one. 

That and Quinn's trip to the tent and halftime exams said no additional damage would be done if he kept playing. 

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7 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

My position is simply that in 2010, in the national championship ship game, Mack Brown pulled Garrett Gilbert basically out of the freezer. 

Hate to even think about that game. I thought the fact that we had to burn a timeout after the injury timeout for Colt so that Squints could find his helmet (or borrow one that fit) ... was a Bad Sign.

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1 minute ago, Tex Long said:

Quinn's trip to the tent and halftime exams said no additional damage would be done if he kept playing. 

Unless, you know, he gets the ever-loving fuck knocked out of him on a missed block or something because because he has the mobility of a drunken, overweight 50 year old in the stands and, say, breaks some ribs.

There was just no upside to leaving him in and it was coaching malpractice.

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Just now, gmr548 said:

Unless, you know, he gets the ever-loving fuck knocked out of him on a missed block or something because because he has the mobility of a drunken, overweight 50 year old in the stands and, say, breaks some ribs.

There was just no upside to leaving him in and it was coaching malpractice.

I agree. I just feel like that was Sark's thinking at the time. I don't condone it. I did scream WHAT THE FUCK??? when Quinn came back out on the field. I'm done screaming, but I'm still ummmm puzzled - to say the least.

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Takeaways from last 12 hrs of comments:

1. Ewers is better at handoffs and screen passes than Manning. Uh huh.

2. Arch's family will be upset if he comes in and takes UT to a win over Aggy in long-awaited reunion. When he goes on to win the SEC and his First National Championship, they'll be so pissed that they'll pull him out of Austin and send him to Ohio State. (He'll need to resign his elections as Mayor of Austin/Governor of Texas).

3. Quinn's receivers simply haven't learned to come back for underthrown passes and knock aside defenders hanging all over them.

4. Quinn's ankle will be fine - until he tries to cut on it, or God forbid, scramble with the ball. Then he's done. Which means that Sark will limit his gameplan to accomodate Quinn, which means the sidearmer will be stuck in the pocket against a defense that will blitz on every play. Which means there'll be no RPOs and perhaps three or four fewer first downs and two or three more punts in the first half alone. Which means that the game will be that much closer or we'll be that much worse off by the time Sark finally puts in Manning, either because of Quinn's injury or performance. Which means Arch will be under even more pressure and very possibly in catch-up mode when he comes in. 

The aggies will come into this game planning to stuff the run game and daring the sidearmer Quinn, who will be under enormous pressure, to throw the ball. I'm not looking forward to watching this play out. 

It absolutely doesn't have to happen this way. Start Manning. Run the ball, including RPOs, use the RPOs to throw deep, intermediate and short passes, use Manning's ability to run play-action, drop deep and throw accurate bombs, and resume kicking ass, just like we did when Arch quarterbacked earlier in the year. 

Quinn will be a millionaire, if he isn't already. I appreciate what he's done so far, but he's injured, and his starting the Aggy game will only hinder this amazing team.

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