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5 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

 

Yeah, this is really good. Even my dumb ass can understand the conspiracy here. Anyone having trouble following the whole thing should read this straightforward summary.

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Georgia Trump Indictment: Explained
I read the indictment. This is my summary.

I wanted to explain the Georgia indictment as clearly and succinctly as possible. I come to this with a unique perspective. I was involved in Republican politics for decades and monitored this scheme as it was unfolding in real time. I am also a former federal prosecutor in Georgia, and am one of the few lawyers in America who has defended a huge, complex RICO jury trial and won.

RICO LAW

Most people know that Congress enacted the RICO statute decades ago as a powerful tool to break up the mafia families. However, it has also been used in state and federal courts to prosecute white collar fraud, criminal street gangs, drug trafficking organizations and a host of other criminal enterprises.

Many criminal organizations, such as the mafia, are set up by a leader who doesn't necessarily do the dirty work themselves. People are recruited by others to engage in criminal conduct in furtherance of the conspiracy. A mob boss typically doesn't commit the murders, rob the banks, or sell the drugs himself. Other people do that for them. The leaders may not even know many of the people in their organization because they make sure that they have direct contact with as few people as possible.

The RICO statute is designed to be able to convict the leaders of criminal enterprises and hold them accountable for the crimes committed by their underlings, even though on a daily basis they didn't directly order each specific crime. The "soldiers" or "workers" are expected to "earn" by committing crimes.  The boss doesn't want or need to know what those crimes are, just that a percentage of the proceeds is paid up to the bosses.

To prove RICO, you have to prove that a group of individuals were organized and put together to accomplish an unlawful objective. You then have to prove that there was some kind of structure or organization, with various people receiving direction from above and carrying out certain missions "in furtherance" of the criminal objective. RICO statutes typically require 2-3 "predicate acts" be committed by each of the charged defendants.

In the Trump RICO indictment, he is charged with organizing a criminal conspiracy to attempt to overturn the 2020 election. His co-defendants are charged with joining that conspiracy and committing unlawful acts to accomplish the goal. These acts included false statements and perjury, impersonating public officials, forgery, filing false documents, computer theft and hacking, fraud, theft of documents, and tampering with witnesses.

THE TRUMP RICO INDICTMENT

This is how the conspiracy played out according to the indictment:

Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell made false statements at a press conference in Nov 2020 with wild accusations of fraud.

Trump, Mark Meadows, and John McEntee draft a memo for their plan to disrupt and delay counting electoral votes from 6 states on J6. Pence was to refuse to count those states and return the issue to the state legislatures who would the adopt the alternate slate of Trump electors, citing "fraud."

Rudy, Jenna, John Eastman and Atlanta lawyer Ray Smith solicited 14 GA Senators to sign off on their fake electors based on voter fraud.

Rudy and Trump made separate phone calls to the President of the GA Senate claiming voter fraud.

Trump calls Gov Brian Kemp to pressure him to call a Special Session. Kemp refused.

Trump then tweets that Kemp and Lt. Gov Duncan are ignoring fraud and refusing to call a Special Session. This begins a pattern where Trump would lie, GA officials would say he is wrong, then Trump would tweet to his millions of followers that they are being traitors and the public should pressure them to go along with the scheme.  This happens over and over.

Powell hires a firm to illegally breach voting machines to collect data to try to show votes were "flipped."

Eastman and GA lawyer Robert Cheeley plan to set up meetings in 6 states where alternate slates of electors would be selected and would sign false certificates for Trump.

Cheeley sends an email to a GA Senator saying Eastman told him a Special Session must be called immediately where the GA legislature would approve the alternate electors on the grounds of fraud.

A "Patriot Call to Action" is tweeted calling on people to pressure GA officials to call a Special Session.

Trump has campaign official Bill White get personal and contact info on the GA Senate President and Majority Leader. White sends the info to Rudy.

Trump then calls the Speaker of the House to demand a Special Session.

Trump then calls the GA AG asking him to investigate false claims of fraud and to join the lawsuit filed by other state AGs in Texas.

Trump and Eastman call Ronna McDaniel to ask her to help them recruit people to serve as fake electors.

Trump attorney Kenneth Chesebro writes a memo to Trump campaign attorney outlining how the fake elector scheme would work.

Documents were then sent out to the state GOP Chairs for the 6 contested states for the fake electors to sign.

Rudy then testifies to the GA House the following fabricated things: Video showed election workers stealing votes, Ruby Freeman was using USB ports to flip votes, 96,000 fraudulent mail-in ballots were counted.  This was all made up.

Rudy calls WI GOP official to tell him to keep the fake elector scheme secret.

Chesebro sends email to Rudy with multiple different plans to disrupt or delay counting the electoral votes on J6.

Rudy sends email telling everyone in each state to keep the fake elector meetings secret.

Trump tweets out, "Demand this clown call a special session now!" referring to Kemp.

Fake electors in 6 states meet and sign the false certificates under oath that they were "the duly elected and qualified electors" for their states.

Illinois pastor Stephen Lee is recruited to drive to Ruby Freeman's house in an attempt to coerce her into falsely confessing to fraud.

When Freeman refused to speak to Lee, he asked Harrison Floyd with Black Voices for Trump to help him. He said he thought Freeman wouldn't speak to him because he was white.

Rudy and Powell meet with Trump at the WH to discuss strategy, which included seizing voting machines and appointing Powell as Special Counsel to investigate fraud.

Powell hires a firm to hack and copy voting data from Dominion machines.

Meadows flies to GA and attempts to observe an audit of signature-verification ballots by investigators. He is denied entry because it isn't a public meeting.

Trump then calls the Chief Investigator, tells him that he won, and pressures him to find fraud: "When the right answer comes out, you'll be praised."

Eastman then sends email to Chesbro saying that the best plan was to get Pence (or Grassley if Pence was absent for some reason) to "act boldly and be challenged," because that would cause a delay that could throw things back to state legislatures.

Meadows then offers to pay the Chief Investigator out of Trump campaign funds if he will speed up the audit.

Trump then asks AG Jeffrey Rosen and Dep. AG Richard Donoghue to "just say the election was corrupt, and leave the rest to me and GOP congressmen." They refuse.

Jeff Clark writes up a document falsely claiming that DOJ "identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome" of the election. Clark then asks Rosen and Donoghue to sign it so he can send it to Kemp. They refuse.

Trump then tweets that Kemp should resign.

A hearing is then held before the GA Senate, where three Trump witnesses gave the following false testimony:

Rudy testified falsely that the same ballots were counted 5 times, 2,560 felons voted, and 10,315 dead people voted.

Ray Smith testified falsely that the Sect of State admitted 8,000 people voted illegally and claimed the Sec of State said the election was only 90% accurate.

Cheeley testified falsely that election workers counted some ballots over and over again.

Jenna then wrote a memo to Trump that Pence should not open the envelopes with the votes from the 6 states because they were "in dispute."

Trump and Eastman then file an injunction against Kemp citing multiple false claims of fraud. Earlier that day, Eastman had sent a memo to Trump campaign attorneys that he knew that some of the allegations of fraud in the lawsuit were false.

Trump and Meadows then call Brad Raffensperger on the recorded call. Trump makes 12 different false statements in that call.

Trump then tweets out that Raffensperger won't listen to him. "He has no clue!"

Lee, Harrison Floyd, and Kanye West publicist Trevian Kutti all make 11 different phone calls to Ruby Freeman. She won't talk to them.

Kutti then flies to GA from Chicago and drives to Freeman's house. She told the neighbor she was a "crisis manager" and was there to help her.

Kutti finally meets with Freeman for an hour and offers her "protection and help" if she will confess to fraud. She asks her to sign a statement that she committed fraud. She refuses.

Trump then tweets, "The VP has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors."

Eastman then meets with Pence Chief of Staff Marc Short to get Pence to reject electors.

Trump then meets with Pence. Pence refuses to go along with it. Trump told him he was naïve and lacked courage.

Trump later calls Pence and tried again.

Trump then calls Pence another time and tells him "you got to be tough tomorrow."

Trump then puts out a statement falsely claiming that Pence agreed with him that he has the power to reject electors.

Then the indictment details what happened on J6.

The indictment then lays out the scheme orchestrated by Sidney Powell where they hacked voting machines in Coffee County, took ballots, took confidential voter info, data and software illegally.

The bottom line is that the proof in this case is overwhelming. The fact that this trial is going to be public and televised will be extremely valuable.  The American public can see and hear and all facts, and don't have to rely on media filters. The evidence in this case is devastating for Trump and his co-conspirators.  I fully expect many of them to cut deals to testify against Trump, where even more incriminating evidence will come to light.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Radical Larry said:


Rudy will probably fart on her again if she asks nicely.

He charges $45 for that on Cameo so she's actually coming out ahead 

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He's not gonna do real time in that prison you fucking naive plebs.  

He will likely have to do a cosmetic 24 hours inside booking for legal optics.  

Damn shame that month is when the food service provider to the mess hall is conveniently changed while he's there.  Hard to keep tabs on that kinda supply chain.  

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59 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Also, Presidential criminal immunity defense?  Haven't heard of that one.

Of course you haven't.  Just like you hadn't heard of many of the executive privilege and immunity assertions Trump made over the last couple of years.

They likely don't exist, but, because they've never been ruled on, the argument can be made and has to be given due consideration.

The notion of executive immunity from prosecution while holding office is not actual law, as I think you know.  It's a "prudential" analysis by the OLC/DOJ that he shouldn't be prosecuted or even charged while holding office.  The Supreme Court might adopt that analysis, it might not; it might reach the same result, it might not.  Addendum:  it hasn't been tested because the policy itself means POTUS won't be indicted or prosecuted while in office, so it will never reach a federal court.  States aren't constrained by that policy, but no state prosecutor has had the temerity thus far to provoke a constitutional crisis by indicting the sitting President, and probably won't.  Congress could probably codify it and maybe should, along with a tolling of the statute of limitations while a POTUS holds office, or at least the latter.

It certainly doesn't extend beyond the term of office by its own terms, but Trump is going to try to extend it, and has without success in civil suits over 1/6, and somewhat relatedly via the Westfall Act (another of these federal official immunity things that only applies to civil torts committed while in office) in the Carroll case.

The argument goes:  Presidential immunity from prosecution while in office exists to avoid interruption and distraction to the executive while carrying out his duties, especially if that interruption/distraction comes from politically motivated prosecutions.  That immunity should extend beyond the term of office for acts done while in office (and maybe even after) because no one will want to be President if they can be prosecuted for every little unpleasant thing they did in office.  In other words, it would have a "chilling effect" on the executive in carrying out the functions of his office.

Its very similar to an argument to extend executive privilege assertions to presidents out of office, but we've seen that that has been mostly shot down, especially if the current officeholder doesn't agree to assert the privilege.

I don't think it's going to fly, and it hasn't yet, but it's out there and it hasn't been conclusively ruled out.

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Of course you haven't.  Just like you hadn't heard of many of the executive privilege and immunity assertions Trump made over the last couple of years.

They likely don't exist, but, because they've never been ruled on, the argument can be made and has to be given due consideration.

The notion of executive immunity from prosecution while holding office is not actual law, as I think you know.  It's a "prudential" analysis by the OLC/DOJ that he shouldn't be prosecuted or even charged while holding office.  The Supreme Court might adopt that analysis, it might not; it might reach the same result, it might not.

It certainly doesn't extend beyond the term of office by its own terms, but Trump is going to try to extend it, and has without success in civil suits over 1/6, and somewhat relatedly via the Westfall Act (another of these federal official immunity things that only applies while in office) in the Carroll case.

The argument goes:  Presidential immunity from prosecution while in office exists to avoid interruption and distraction to the executive while carrying out his duties, especially if that interruption/distraction comes from politically motivated prosecutions.  That immunity should extend beyond the term of office for acts done while in office (and maybe even after) because no one will want to be President if they can be prosecuted for every little unpleasant thing they did in office.  In other words, it would have a "chilling effect" on the executive in carrying out the functions of his office.

I don't think it's going to fly, and it hasn't yet, but it's out there and it hasn't been conclusively ruled out.

 

I was editing my post while you were typing that to be a little less terse.  Your post that I was responding to made it sound (at least as I read it) like it was "ballgame/KingsX." 

 

Yes, I get that they've operated under that notion (civilly at least) while he's in office.  And like every other defense, he'll throw it at the wall to see if it sticks.  But that one probably will just leave a nice brown stain.

 

I wonder if he'll try to declare "criminal bankruptcy"?

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2 minutes ago, dcbc said:

 

I was editing my post while you were typing that to be a little less terse.  Your post that I was responding to made it sound (at least as I read it) like it was "ballgame/KingsX." 

 

Yes, I get that they've operated under that notion (civilly at least) while he's in office.  And like every other defense, he'll throw it at the wall to see if it sticks.  But that one probably will just leave a nice brown stain.

 

I wonder if he'll try to declare "criminal bankruptcy"?

Nah, I wrote that up for the peanut gallery as much or more than for you, as I knew your response was tongue in cheek.

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Nah, I wrote that up for the peanut gallery as much or more than for you, as I knew your response was tongue in cheek.

Be careful or you'll have to write a retraction like I did for the no probation under GA's RICO statute post, which resulted in the great probation/parole debate of August 2023.

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1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Hilariously, I’d buy that graph as potentially legit. Mail In Ballots and Absentees being counted make perfect sense in regards to a graph timeline like that. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

I don't know, but there is going to be an absolute traffic jam/horse race to get this sumbitch tried and convicted first.  

And this Georgia thing is going to be a six-month white whale, especially if she tries to try any significant number of these people together, as is her stated intention.

 

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15 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I don't know, but there is going to be an absolute traffic jam/horse race to get this sumbitch tried and convicted first.  

And this Georgia thing is going to be a six-month white whale, especially if she tries to try any significant number of these people together, as is her stated intention.

 

I'm convinced that answer was just to remove any hope that she was going to slow roll it.  She's done enough RICO trials to know how many is too many and probably has an order all planned out once she gets a few co-conspirators to flip.  If we take the election out of the question, I'd assume it's not advantageous to the prosecution try Trump first.

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He's not gonna do real time in that prison you fucking naive plebs.  
He will likely have to do a cosmetic 24 hours inside booking for legal optics.  
Damn shame that month is when the food service provider to the mess hall is conveniently changed while he's there.  Hard to keep tabs on that kinda supply chain.  
I know your play here.
/swipes nose.

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the paranoia of looking over your shoulder for whatever 18 other people might do. Hmm.  What might happen in New York, will he finally give a shit what his kids think of him?  What is loans started getting called in?  What if the capital stack house of cards of his real estate "empire" crumble?  What if his theft of top secret documents is an issue?  What if other people start selling him out to save their ass?  What if Georgia's case really begins to move the walls in on him?  What if being associated with the January 6th attempt to overturn a legitimate government may not have been a good idea?  What if Putin turns his back, his creditors call his bullshit, people realize the ruse and quit sending him money, and he's left penniless and no toupee?  What if just a couple of the things come crashing in him?  At his age, with his health, and his weight.  Most of you on this thread will forget more law between now and breakfast than I'll ever know.  But you're overlooking something.  We're out of time and legally exhausted with a non-starter SCOTUS.  

The strategy is to box him in so we get to the new end game.  He's not going to sit in a jail cell.  MAGA nation will not be going anywhere.  He needs to be run around the country from trial to trial, fundraiser to fundraiser, con to con, fraud to fraud.  He is going to die much sooner than his people believe.  The macro strategy is run him so ragged and stress him beyond fucking believe that his body gives up in about 10-15 months that he dies.  He is not going to see jail.  He is not going to admit his faults.  He is not going to be up for appeal, parole, cajole, or Bob's Your Uncle.  The man is going to pass out and die in 10-15 months because even the most narcissistic sociopath can't embark on the physical agenda that his 78 year old cardiac fat fuck glop of shit soul is about to attempt.  This has all been engineered so that no sitting or former President ever has to stand inside Cell Block C.  But he can sure as fuck die within sight of it.  And we are, most of us, going to OD on the thrill.  Steel yourselves folks.  He's going to bend the judicial system like a child getting away with stealing candy.  But between all of it and the campaign, his heart will give out or his handlers will make sure he never opens his fucking mouth because he chokes out on his own tongue.  

I just hope we have enough drugs to properly celebrate.  

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5 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I'm convinced that answer was just to remove any hope that she was going to slow roll it.  She's done enough RICO trials to know how many is too many and probably has an order all planned out once she gets a few co-conspirators to flip.  If we take the election out of the question, I'd assume it's not advantageous to the prosecution try Trump first.

Perhaps this YSL deal is instructive:  28 defendants originally indicted, two never having appeared, eight taking deals, and four severed from the case as unrepresented, leaving 14 defendants.

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I don't know, but there is going to be an absolute traffic jam/horse race to get this sumbitch tried and convicted first.  
And this Georgia thing is going to be a six-month white whale, especially if she tries to try any significant number of these people together, as is her stated intention.
 
I figured Georgia would take 2 more years to try and Jack Smith has the least slow path forward?

*Georgia is doing things correctly by the law, even though it's going to drag on for years.
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7 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

the paranoia of looking over your shoulder for whatever 18 other people might do. Hmm.  What might happen in New York, will he finally give a shit what his kids think of him?  What is loans started getting called in?  What if the capital stack house of cards of his real estate "empire" crumble?  What if his theft of top secret documents is an issue?  What if other people start selling him out to save their ass?  What if Georgia's case really begins to move the walls in on him?  What if being associated with the January 6th attempt to overturn a legitimate government may not have been a good idea?  What if Putin turns his back, his creditors call his bullshit, people realize the ruse and quit sending him money, and he's left penniless and no toupee?  What if just a couple of the things come crashing in him?  At his age, with his health, and his weight.  Most of you on this thread will forget more law between now and breakfast than I'll ever know.  But you're overlooking something.  We're out of time and legally exhausted with a non-starter SCOTUS.  

The strategy is to box him in so we get to the new end game.  He's not going to sit in a jail cell.  MAGA nation will not be going anywhere.  He needs to be run around the country from trial to trial, fundraiser to fundraiser, con to con, fraud to fraud.  He is going to die much sooner than his people believe.  The macro strategy is run him so ragged and stress him beyond fucking believe that his body gives up in about 10-15 months that he dies.  He is not going to see jail.  He is not going to admit his faults.  He is not going to be up for appeal, parole, cajole, or Bob's Your Uncle.  The man is going to pass out and die in 10-15 months because even the most narcissistic sociopath can't embark on the physical agenda that his 78 year old cardiac fat fuck glop of shit soul is about to attempt.  This has all been engineered so that no sitting or former President ever has to stand inside Cell Block C.  But he can sure as fuck die within sight of it.  And we are, most of us, going to OD on the thrill.  Steel yourselves folks.  He's going to bend the judicial system like a child getting away with stealing candy.  But between all of it and the campaign, his heart will give out or his handlers will make sure he never opens his fucking mouth because he chokes out on his own tongue.  

I just hope we have enough drugs to properly celebrate.  

They need to get the forfeiture arm under the RICO statute going to get some of the "Enterprise's" financial gains.

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3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Former Trump WH lawyer Ty Cobb on Trump promising to release a “large complex, detailed, but irrefutable report on the presidential election fraud”:

“There’s a good chance that whatever document he produces ends up as evidence against him. It could even end up as the basis for an obstruction count against the author because it’s likely to be fiction and solely for the purpose of contaminating the jury pool.”

There's almost no way it could assist his defense even if it were probative of anything and his belief or correctness about election fraud was a valid issue.

It can't possibly have aftected his state of mind 2.5 years ago.

That's one thing I enjoy pointing out to Trumpkins.  Things that may prove election fraud after he lies about election fraud don't make the lies true.  Unless you think he's the Amazing Kreskin, too.  

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the paranoia of looking over your shoulder for whatever 18 other people might do. Hmm.  What might happen in New York, will he finally give a shit what his kids think of him?  What is loans started getting called in?  What if the capital stack house of cards of his real estate "empire" crumble?  What if his theft of top secret documents is an issue?  What if other people start selling him out to save their ass?  What if Georgia's case really begins to move the walls in on him?  What if being associated with the January 6th attempt to overturn a legitimate government may not have been a good idea?  What if Putin turns his back, his creditors call his bullshit, people realize the ruse and quit sending him money, and he's left penniless and no toupee?  What if just a couple of the things come crashing in him?  At his age, with his health, and his weight.  Most of you on this thread will forget more law between now and breakfast than I'll ever know.  But you're overlooking something.  We're out of time and legally exhausted with a non-starter SCOTUS.  
The strategy is to box him in so we get to the new end game.  He's not going to sit in a jail cell.  MAGA nation will not be going anywhere.  He needs to be run around the country from trial to trial, fundraiser to fundraiser, con to con, fraud to fraud.  He is going to die much sooner than his people believe.  The macro strategy is run him so ragged and stress him beyond fucking believe that his body gives up in about 10-15 months that he dies.  He is not going to see jail.  He is not going to admit his faults.  He is not going to be up for appeal, parole, cajole, or Bob's Your Uncle.  The man is going to pass out and die in 10-15 months because even the most narcissistic sociopath can't embark on the physical agenda that his 78 year old cardiac fat fuck glop of shit soul is about to attempt.  This has all been engineered so that no sitting or former President ever has to stand inside Cell Block C.  But he can sure as fuck die within sight of it.  And we are, most of us, going to OD on the thrill.  Steel yourselves folks.  He's going to bend the judicial system like a child getting away with stealing candy.  But between all of it and the campaign, his heart will give out or his handlers will make sure he never opens his fucking mouth because he chokes out on his own tongue.  
I just hope we have enough drugs to properly celebrate.  
I like your optimism. But it's misguided. We have a dog here we love dearly but he is a dangerous asshole. We've expected he had 6 months left for 6 years. And we are talking about a dog that has feelings and is loved. That goes a ways. But Assholes tend to live a long time. And don't bow out gracefully.

Dotard is the most loved human ever by himself, and many Americans. He should be dead based on weight, rage and age. He should be in jail. Somebody he cheated should have wacked him long ago. Russia should have poisoned him; or some Eastern Euro broad. He should be a financial wreck. He should have been a disgraced failed candidate not Potus. It should be laughable and illegal that he can even run again.

Yet here we are.

I tend to respect trajectories and will steel myself with the horrible notion this bastard makes another 6 years If nothing else just to suck oxygen to fuel his narcissism. It's going to suck balls and at times be tighter than it should, and will further lower our global standing- it ends how it ends though.
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26 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

I like your optimism. But it's misguided. We have a dog here we love dearly but he is a dangerous asshole. We've expected he had 6 months left for 6 years. And we are talking about a dog that has feelings and is loved. That goes a ways. But Assholes tend to live a long time. And don't bow out gracefully.

Dotard is the most loved human ever by himself, and many Americans. He should be dead based on weight, rage and age. He should be in jail. Somebody he cheated should have wacked him long ago. Russia should have poisoned him; or some Eastern Euro broad. He should be a financial wreck. He should have been a disgraced failed candidate not Potus. It should be laughable and illegal that he can even run again.

Yet here we are.

I tend to respect trajectories and will steel myself with the horrible notion this bastard makes another 6 years If nothing else just to suck oxygen to fuel his narcissism. It's going to suck balls and at times be tighter than it should, and will further lower our global standing- it ends how it ends though.

Still and all, this has got to be incredibly stressful for him.  It's quite unlike anything he's ever experienced.

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

Still and all, this has got to be incredibly stressful for him.  It's quite unlike anything he's ever experienced.

Do people like him feel stress?  Or does he just presume things will all go his way because he’s so smart and can get people to do what he wants, and it’s always worked before?

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Do people like him feel stress?  Or does he just presume things will all go his way because he’s so smart and can get people to do what he wants, and it’s always worked before?

Fair question, but a couple of things that may or may not have dawned on him.  He's going to actually have to sit through his criminal trials, unlike his few civil trials that he can't be assed to attend.  He's probably going to have to sit through some motion hearings too.

He's probably never experienced such an imposition.

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46 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Former Trump WH lawyer Ty Cobb on Trump promising to release a “large complex, detailed, but irrefutable report on the presidential election fraud”:

“There’s a good chance that whatever document he produces ends up as evidence against him. It could even end up as the basis for an obstruction count against the author because it’s likely to be fiction and solely for the purpose of contaminating the jury pool.”

 

39 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There's almost no way it could assist his defense even if it were probative of anything and his belief or correctness about election fraud was a valid issue.

It can't possibly have aftected his state of mind 2.5 years ago.

That's one thing I enjoy pointing out to Trumpkins.  Things that may prove election fraud after he lies about election fraud don't make the lies true.  Unless you think he's the Amazing Kreskin, too.  

 

The guy doesn't seem to understand that the right to remain silent helps the defendant.

Which only makes this funnier! :D  

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Anybody care to take a crack at how a counting total might start to diminish at some point in time?  Were there negative ballots?

Also, if the step change in blue votes were the result of tampering (i.e., votes being flipped), why isn't there a similar but opposite step change in the red votes?

So many questions.  So much data.  Math is hard.

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Anybody care to take a crack at how a counting total might start to diminish at some point in time?  Were there negative ballots?

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Also the counting really appears to slow down as time goes on (assuming time is the x) the first few unnamed time units they were really hustling.  
 

also also her contention is that trump actually won Fulton county Georgia?

also also also does that chart margin look like 2:1 blue?

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There's not any evidence, whether real or fabricated.  Him announcing he's going to have some great reveal on Newsmax a week from now is just so MAGA has talking points amongst their silo and so they feel good about dropping $2-10 into the grift bucket. Because for them the only words from that tweet that have any meaning are "evidence" and "stollen".

They are too dumb for nuance or full sentences.

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

So….the absurdist satire that Three Year Letterman posts as jokes…Drumpf’s attorneys say for real.
When your lawyers say shit thats indistinguishable from a satire account…you might be a Dotard.

Well....Three Year Letterman is an attorney in real life....

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He’s getting pretty close. It won’t be long now:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-georgia-indictment-riggers-b2393425.html

There will be a complete EXONERATION!" Mr Trump wrote of his upcoming presser. "They never went after those that Rigged the Election. They only went after those that found to find the RIGGERS!." 

Whether or not Mr Trump intended to describe his political enemies using a word that is one letter away from being an exceptionally offensive slur is unclear. What is clear is that plenty of observers noted his use of the word.

Arieh Kovler, a current affairs and politics writer, collected a sampling of responses from a group of Trump supporters who post anonymously at a Reddit-like forum. 

 

"I don't know if Trump deliberately uses 'RIGGERS!' as a dog-whistle, but his supporters hear it either way," he wrote. “Worth noting here that the ‘riggers’ as a racist codeword has been used for a while in MAGA circles.”

Mr Kovler included a screenshot from the site showing one user who said "I love [Trump] so much" because "he just used the word RIGGERS!"

 

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