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41 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Cooper Manning quit playing football the minute he was diagnosed with a serious issue. But he’s good with the idea of his son playing hurt and getting roasted by the whole world, because secretly he hates him. Archie too, he never tells him to avoid getting injured or anything. 

and camp manning aren't going to shut him down against a directional the moment he has the slighest twitch in his shoulder

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2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

crazy thing is how much PFF likes Arch.. 

85.3 grade vs SJSU and 76 grade vs OSU (Quinn finished at 72.5 last year)

overall passing grade is 80.4 with 8 big time throws in 2 games. 

I think one thing people are under-estimating is his movement in the pocket. He has saved Texas from more than a few sacks (one dumb ass int vs SJSU)

Losing some on the missed crossers but also gaining on pocket awareness and playmaking. I think PFF puts a big emphasis on the play making aspect of QB play. I do think if Quinn was starting the offense would be different and revert back to the horizontal, screen heavy attack.  

So I dont think your comment is completely crazy, though many will disagree. 

Just between you and me - if you can keep a secret - 

I tend to know what the fuck I'm talking about. 

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22 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

there's help for peyronies, you know

This I learned when it played in every commercial break during last year’s CFB season. I use Fubo, so the same ads replay again and again and again and again. 

 

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2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

this has been going on for a while at Texas. You had Casey Thompson, Worthy, and Ewers injury "conspiracies". I am not a big believer in any of them, but I am not surprised Sark is getting these questions. 

Are they conspiracies if they were actually hurt but Steve covered for them?

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2 hours ago, Classic Rock said:

You think the Manning's wouldn't shut him down immediately if it was a shoulder issue or any type of issue for that matter?

there’s a difference in being hurt and being injured, and nobody who plays high level football doesn’t play while hurt at some point, and that definitely includes Arch’s uncles and grandfather. it’s entirely possible that he’s having pain and/or is hurt but not injured, and his family are probably the last people on earth- both from their own football experience and from displaying class and professionalism when it comes to “handling” arch or meddling in our program- who are going to tell sark/arch that arch needs to sit out until he’s pain free. 

i really can’t explain this crowd who thinks that there’s 0% chance that he’s in pain and that anyone who wonders if he’s in pain is crazy. we all watched arch last year; he never looked like this. from his feet to his throwing motion, he did not look like this. same with the results- all of these balls landing at people’s feet? didn’t see those last year. and after having an entire offseason at the age of 20 to grow both physically and as a player, arch doesn’t look any better than he did last year. but i’m crazy to wonder if he’s in pain? no. i don’t think so.

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Just now, Texasborn91 said:

Please don’t fuck this thread out of existence. 

and what the fuck are you adding tot this discussion? you can fuck right off.

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28 minutes ago, Derka said:

there’s a difference in being hurt and being injured, and nobody who plays high level football doesn’t play while hurt at some point, and that definitely includes Arch’s uncles and grandfather. it’s entirely possible that he’s having pain and/or is hurt but not injured, and his family are probably the last people on earth- both from their own football experience and from displaying class and professionalism when it comes to “handling” arch or meddling in our program- who are going to tell sark/arch that arch needs to sit out until he’s pain free. 

i really can’t explain this crowd who thinks that there’s 0% chance that he’s in pain and that anyone who wonders if he’s in pain is crazy. we all watched arch last year; he never looked like this. from his feet to his throwing motion, he did not look like this. same with the results- all of these balls landing at people’s feet? didn’t see those last year. and after having an entire offseason at the age of 20 to grow both physically and as a player, arch doesn’t look any better than he did last year. but i’m crazy to wonder if he’s in pain? no. i don’t think so.

Pressure is something. Last year he was the backup, no matter how good he was , QE was the starter.  This year,  we have burned the boats.  No going back, its has to be weighing on him, only explanation imo.  Hes going to get better and id rather have him gradually improve then gradually get worse.  Lets give him some time.  As others have said, hes 3-4 throws and a couple other drops from him matching the hype.  

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there’s a difference in being hurt and being injured, and nobody who plays high level football doesn’t play while hurt at some point, and that definitely includes Arch’s uncles and grandfather. it’s entirely possible that he’s having pain and/or is hurt but not injured, and his family are probably the last people on earth- both from their own football experience and from displaying class and professionalism when it comes to “handling” arch or meddling in our program- who are going to tell sark/arch that arch needs to sit out until he’s pain free. 
i really can’t explain this crowd who thinks that there’s 0% chance that he’s in pain and that anyone who wonders if he’s in pain is crazy. we all watched arch last year; he never looked like this. from his feet to his throwing motion, he did not look like this. same with the results- all of these balls landing at people’s feet? didn’t see those last year. and after having an entire offseason at the age of 20 to grow both physically and as a player, arch doesn’t look any better than he did last year. but i’m crazy to wonder if he’s in pain? no. i don’t think so.

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

there’s a difference in being hurt and being injured, and nobody who plays high level football doesn’t play while hurt at some point, and that definitely includes Arch’s uncles and grandfather. it’s entirely possible that he’s having pain and/or is hurt but not injured, and his family are probably the last people on earth- both from their own football experience and from displaying class and professionalism when it comes to “handling” arch or meddling in our program- who are going to tell sark/arch that arch needs to sit out until he’s pain free. 

i really can’t explain this crowd who thinks that there’s 0% chance that he’s in pain and that anyone who wonders if he’s in pain is crazy. we all watched arch last year; he never looked like this. from his feet to his throwing motion, he did not look like this. same with the results- all of these balls landing at people’s feet? didn’t see those last year. and after having an entire offseason at the age of 20 to grow both physically and as a player, arch doesn’t look any better than he did last year. but i’m crazy to wonder if he’s in pain? no. i don’t think so.

Nobody thinks you're crazy to wonder. We think you're crazy to keep posting about it at length. 

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22 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Nobody thinks you're crazy to wonder. We think you're crazy to keep posting about it at length. 

yes, as if the last i-don’t-know-how-many pages haven’t been all about this subject, like i’m the only one here posting about this, apropos of nothing. 

some of you just love to whine about shit. wake up and realize that you are the ones in here derailing the thread and making at all about me. you guys actively do the very shit you whine about me supposedly doing. grow up.

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Didn’t someone post like 150 posts ago, some montage of still shots of Arch’s grimace when throwing?

It had throws from last season and even high school. Similar facial expression.

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I think it's hilariously awesome that people are scraping through old photos of Arch throwing the football to prove or disprove whatever the point is.  That's such a tremendous, wonderful waste of time.  Truly surly worthy.

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

there’s a difference in being hurt and being injured, and nobody who plays high level football doesn’t play while hurt at some point, and that definitely includes Arch’s uncles and grandfather. it’s entirely possible that he’s having pain and/or is hurt but not injured, and his family are probably the last people on earth- both from their own football experience and from displaying class and professionalism when it comes to “handling” arch or meddling in our program- who are going to tell sark/arch that arch needs to sit out until he’s pain free. 

i really can’t explain this crowd who thinks that there’s 0% chance that he’s in pain and that anyone who wonders if he’s in pain is crazy. we all watched arch last year; he never looked like this. from his feet to his throwing motion, he did not look like this. same with the results- all of these balls landing at people’s feet? didn’t see those last year. and after having an entire offseason at the age of 20 to grow both physically and as a player, arch doesn’t look any better than he did last year. but i’m crazy to wonder if he’s in pain? no. i don’t think so.

Shane Gillis thinks he's fine.

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2 hours ago, scottsins said:

Didn’t someone post like 150 posts ago, some montage of still shots of Arch’s grimace when throwing?

It had throws from last season and even high school. Similar facial expression.

Arch has had a partially torn rotator cuff since middle school.

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On 9/7/2025 at 11:49 AM, DanTheHorn said:

For some reason this reminded me of Steffi Graf making every simple return volley seem like it was taking super human strength to achieve.

Steffi Graf was a monk compared to Monica Seles, both visually and aurally. Graf was such a no nonsense player, immediately walking over to the baseline for the next point as if she can’t wait to get the game finished. 

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6 hours ago, Derka said:

there’s a difference in being hurt and being injured, and nobody who plays high level football doesn’t play while hurt at some point, and that definitely includes Arch’s uncles and grandfather. it’s entirely possible that he’s having pain and/or is hurt but not injured, and his family are probably the last people on earth- both from their own football experience and from displaying class and professionalism when it comes to “handling” arch or meddling in our program- who are going to tell sark/arch that arch needs to sit out until he’s pain free. 

i really can’t explain this crowd who thinks that there’s 0% chance that he’s in pain and that anyone who wonders if he’s in pain is crazy. we all watched arch last year; he never looked like this. from his feet to his throwing motion, he did not look like this. same with the results- all of these balls landing at people’s feet? didn’t see those last year. and after having an entire offseason at the age of 20 to grow both physically and as a player, arch doesn’t look any better than he did last year. but i’m crazy to wonder if he’s in pain? no. i don’t think so.

Maybe Sark secretly prefers playing rested and NFL-ready KJ Lacey, but is just playing Manning to protect his draft stock.

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6 hours ago, AeroHorn said:

Steffi Graf was a monk compared to Monica Seles, both visually and aurally. Graf was such a no nonsense player, immediately walking over to the baseline for the next point as if she can’t wait to get the game finished. 

Her practice partner was Boris Becker, so she got the experience of returning his booming serve, and he got experience trying to handle her wicked forehand. Jim Courier was only person on the men's side who had a forehand like Steffi's -- just ripping every time, to go exactly where they aimed.

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Went back and watched both games.  Im no expert.  I have done a 180 on Arch.  While not pretty....he's literally 3-4 passes and a couple other drops away from an outstanding start.  Yes he's looked mechanically shaky but he's way better than the criticism so far.  Posted this on another thread, we would much more prefer him to progress through the season than regress.  

2 really bad passes to Wingo, the dirt throw to open tOSU, missed 2 other 2nd layer throws (one he took the deep ball in double coverage), threw a bullet to the TE when a soft toss was enough, then the 1 big drop last week....he also had one big play overturned by penalty....even half of those hit and we are having a much different discussion.  We need be patient and be glad he has room to improve as the schedule plays out.  Just my 2cents.  Not sure this matters, but he's just barely 21 by a 4-5 mos.  By end of next year if we make a January run, he'll be closer to 23...i think that matters, we need to let him mature.

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1 minute ago, jdhorn92 said:

Went back and watched both games.  Im no expert.  I have done a 180 on Arch.  While not pretty....he's literally 3-4 passes and a couple other drops away from an outstanding start.  Yes he's looked mechanically shaky but he's way better than the criticism so far.  Posted this on another thread, we would much more prefer him to progress through the season than regress.  

2 really bad passes to Wingo, the dirt throw to open tOSU, missed 2 other 2nd layer throws (one he took the deep ball in double coverage), threw a bullet to the TE when a soft toss was enough, then the 1 big drop last week....he also had one big play overturned by penalty....even half of those hit and we are having a much different discussion.  We need be patient and be glad he has room to improve as the schedule plays out.  Just my 2cents

Arch is just a different QB. He is much more of a playmaker. He isnt a system guy throwing darts in the short game. I think this is going to be an interesting marriage with Sark. Sark likes system guys. I think Sark is going to have to loosen the leash over time and let Arch be Arch. 

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30 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

2 really bad passes to Wingo, the dirt throw to open tOSU, missed 2 other 2nd layer throws (one he took the deep ball in double coverage), threw a bullet to the TE when a soft toss was enough, then the 1 big drop last week....he also had one big play overturned by penalty....even half of those hit and we are having a much different discussion.  We need be patient and be glad he has room to improve as the schedule plays out.  Just my 2cents.  Not sure this matters, but he's just barely 21 by a 4-5 mos.  By end of next year if we make a January run, he'll be closer to 23...i think that matters, we need to let him mature.

I don't disagree with any of this, but my issue is that Arch has had vanishingly few GOOD throws so far through two games. It's a much more likely outcome that he sails it or throws it down a rope under the recievers feet. He needs to settle down and stop being a headcase, because he's got the time to improve. 

I (and many others) would feel much better if he were even making a quarter of those throws. Even his long TD that pads his passing numbers was underthrown significantly - the reciever doubling back to catch it out of stride tripped the secondary, but that isn't gonna happen against a competent defense in the SEC.

 

My main worry is that he's going to continue to have massive variance in his play, and our opponents will capitalize on that and we end up with middling record. Talking like "yeah but if we just made this ONE PASS...." takes me back to 2010-16 and that era of Texas football of endless close losses, but for one busted pass or play.

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Just saw the short post-game interview where Arch said he wasn't very good and called his performance sloppy twice.  With all the spotlight and criticism, he's not acting defensive. That's a GREAT sign IMO. He's feeling the pressure, but he's not running away from it.  Just need to things to click. It's coming.

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14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I (and many others) would feel much better if he were even making a quarter of those throws. Even his long TD that pads his passing numbers was underthrown significantly - the reciever doubling back to catch it out of stride tripped the secondary, but that isn't gonna happen against a competent defense in the SEC.

That's one way to look at it. The other is Livingstone was WIDE open, and by underthrowing a bit it ensures that it's caught. If that pass is thrown with more aggression, there's a chance it falls incomplete. 

Do we think that good QBs that have great games are just throwing dots everywhere? That's not how it works. We are just Zaprudering everything with Arch and no other QB gets the same treatment.

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16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I don't disagree with any of this, but my issue is that Arch has had vanishingly few GOOD throws so far through two games. It's a much more likely outcome that he sails it or throws it down a rope under the recievers feet. He needs to settle down and stop being a headcase, because he's got the time to improve. 

I (and many others) would feel much better if he were even making a quarter of those throws. Even his long TD that pads his passing numbers was underthrown significantly - the reciever doubling back to catch it out of stride tripped the secondary, but that isn't gonna happen against a competent defense in the SEC.

 

My main worry is that he's going to continue to have massive variance in his play, and our opponents will capitalize on that and we end up with middling record. Talking like "yeah but if we just made this ONE PASS...." takes me back to 2010-16 and that era of Texas football of endless close losses, but for one busted pass or play.

According to PFF the guy has 8 big time throws in 2 games, not sure what you are watching to say a few good throws. What people are not talking about is the movement in the pocket that has saved multiple sacks. Given the OL play through 2 games. Arch has had a pressure rate of 41% and 38% in the first 2 games, his legs are going to be invaluable. We have yet to see a quality defense that goes after Arch and OL (OSU generally played coverage rushing 3-4). Arch has been a bit erratic, mostly with Wingo, but people seem to be focusing on the tree and missing the forest. 

PS- the irony of the bad ball to Livingstone vs SJSU is he probably doesnt score if the ball hits him in stride. The safety had to put the brakes on to adjust to the ball and fell. I doubt it was intended, but I cannot say it wasnt. That gives me the impression that you are looking for something to criticize. 

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12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

We are just Zaprudering everything with Arch and no other QB gets the same treatment.

Huh?  Every Texas QB gets the exact same treatment.  The Quinn Ewers thread is 558 pages long.

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59 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Arch is just a different QB. He is much more of a playmaker. He isnt a system guy throwing darts in the short game. I think this is going to be an interesting marriage with Sark. Sark likes system guys. I think Sark is going to have to loosen the leash over time and let Arch be Arch. 

True and I think he's trying to adapt the offense to Arch.

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2 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Huh?  Every Texas QB gets the exact same treatment.  The Quinn Ewers thread is 558 pages long.

The KJ seems like he sucks thread about to happen?

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36 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

PS- the irony of the bad ball to Livingstone vs SJSU is he probably doesnt score if the ball hits him in stride. The safety had to put the brakes on to adjust to the ball and fell. I doubt it was intended, but I cannot say it wasnt. That gives me the impression that you are looking for something to criticize. 

I'm not looking for things to criticise, I'm stating concerns over extremely inconsistent play. The short Livingstone pass is the upside - against a relatively pedestrian team and defense. I worry about the downside against MUCH better opponents if we don't start seeing actual development week over week. 

My issue is not that in week one against the defending champs he had some struggles, it's that he had the same struggles in week two against a WAY worse defense with much less complexity and stunting to make his reads harder like OSU did. Two datapoints lets you draw a line, and I'm eager to see improvement and growth so that line points to better outcomes.

 

And yes absolutely his footwork is better than QE - he's not self-sacking and is successfully extending plays and is manufacturing opportunity. I would just like those play extensions to end with a ball in our recievers hands, not kicking up a rooster tail in the turf

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I'm not looking for things to criticise, I'm stating concerns over extremely inconsistent play. The short Livingstone pass is the upside - against a relatively pedestrian team and defense. I worry about the downside against MUCH better opponents if we don't start seeing actual development week over week. 

My issue is not that in week one against the defending champs he had some struggles, it's that he had the same struggles in week two against a WAY worse defense with much less complexity and stunting to make his reads harder like OSU did. Two datapoints lets you draw a line, and I'm eager to see improvement and growth so that line points to better outcomes.

 

And yes absolutely his footwork is better than QE - he's not self-sacking and is successfully extending plays and is manufacturing opportunity. I would just like those play extensions to end with a ball in our recievers hands, not kicking up a rooster tail in the turf

You saw the upside and downside vs OSU. The long pass to Endries (amazing throw) and to Livingstone in tight windows were beautiful. The Wingo connection is just pure ugliness; not sure I can even attempt to figure out the issue there. Things are going to look a lot different this year. OL looks to be a work in progress, that is going to make the offense inefficient. Screen game is much smaller portion of the offense. The passing game is more vertical. Just after 2 games this appears to be a boom and bust offense that will be reliant on explosive plays to score. Sark is going to have to identify something to bring up the floor that the offesne can execute efficiently. I did see him experimenting with some straight drop back quick game vs SJSU. That may be the answer to raise the floor. 

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I don't disagree with any of this, but my issue is that Arch has had vanishingly few GOOD throws so far through two games. It's a much more likely outcome that he sails it or throws it down a rope under the recievers feet. He needs to settle down and stop being a headcase, because he's got the time to improve. 

I (and many others) would feel much better if he were even making a quarter of those throws. Even his long TD that pads his passing numbers was underthrown significantly - the reciever doubling back to catch it out of stride tripped the secondary, but that isn't gonna happen against a competent defense in the SEC.

 

My main worry is that he's going to continue to have massive variance in his play, and our opponents will capitalize on that and we end up with middling record. Talking like "yeah but if we just made this ONE PASS...." takes me back to 2010-16 and that era of Texas football of endless close losses, but for one busted pass or play.

I agree on whole.  Colt really spoiled us with accuracy, QE was so accurate in the short and intermediate stuff and he had a really nice touch when it called for it....with Arch, imo he's not like anything we've seen in a long time...he may be more feast or famine and as he and Sark get comfortable with what he does best I believe he'll settle down and be great.  It may take more time and thankfully we have a defense that may just make it work.  Run game is a work in progress; Sark and Company will earn their bones picking and choosing what to call and when given what we have seen throhugh 2 game.  I like the way this is setting up however all things considered.  

Im telling you , when the crossing route hits watch out.  That is such an easy throw that of all the throws to not be connecting on that is one that gives me a lot of confidence that he's close to putting it together.  I could be wrong but we haven't really done much orbit yet, that was staple of Sark's O with Davontae Smith, really easy throw in the flat to moving target out of the backfield, I mentioned in another thread and got heat that we may be saving for UF/OU....the pirouette screen blew up vs SJSU, QE ran that very well until it got old and we got stuffed.  I think Sark is tinkering right now to find Arch's strength and ideally by UF/OU we have a plan. Im confident moving forward.

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 Just need to things to click. It's coming.

Some QB can't remember his name said "things will click" is a foolish point that many believe and even one of his early coaches believed. It wasn't until he worked with a coach who told him he had been lied to, and that things never just click, and that focusing on steady progress was key to becoming a great QB.

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Looked it up it was Max Browne and guess which coach came in later in his career it was Sark, I wonder since he was talking about Arch was he being complementary of Sark without saying it.
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13 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

Some QB can't remember his name said "things will click" is a foolish point that many believe and even one of his early coaches believed. It wasn't until he worked with a coach who told him he had been lied to, and that things never just click, and that focusing on steady progress was key to becoming a great QB.

Ok, man. 

It's not all on Arch for things to click. The O-line and running game need to improve. WRs need to make plays. Arch clearly needs to improve. Stop with the fucking killer penalties. There is no rhythm on offense right now, they need to get going. 

But thanks for the Max Browne story. 

 

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