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Dude was terrible today. Missed swing passes and gimmes by 5 yards or more. He’s either hurt or got the yips. He’s a completely different player than he was last year. I don’t know what’s going on but we are in for a long season if he doesn’t figure shit out.

Numerous times today he faded back and had all day to throw with lots of room to run. At some point, tuck and go. Get easy yards and score and build a nice lead.

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6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Pots and kettles. Plenty of hyperbole being thrown around.

44% completion, under 120 yards, what should have been multiple ints, against UTEP. That ain't fucking hyperbole. We are losing a lot of games with this offense. 

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3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

44% completion, under 120 yards, what should have been multiple ints, against UTEP. That ain't fucking hyperbole. We are losing a lot of games with this offense. 

 Very true. Those statistics aren’t hyperbole. Your comparisons are. So are the VY comparisons. 

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

 Very true. Those statistics aren’t hyperbole. Your comparisons are. So are the VY comparisons. 

You're wrong, but whatever. 

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These same points were made about Quinn last year. Holds the ball too long, in his own head, etc.

I'm wondering more and more what Sark and staff are, or are not doing. The QB and offensive guru is increasingly shitting down his leg.

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Is Sark just not practicing with this guy? If he's throwing this shit in practice, then you fucking practice more. Thats how QBs get their shit down. WTF is going on on the practice field? If Manning is perfect in practice, then Sark needs to up the pressure to try and find out what is throwing his game off - or at least to get him used to the pressure.

Practice practice practice! Fuck!

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Why the fuck is anybody talking about Vince or Gilbert? Neither fell to this level of incompetence. Not even close. All they have in common is the five star rating out of high school. Who gives a shit about that once they play.

I qualify my responses below by saying I don't know shit, but I can see.

 

4 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Who should play? This isn’t like last year with someone presumably talented (and who played well when in) behind him.

Whoever the fifth year senior is that we portalled in. He is actually a college QB. Arch is not at this moment. Arch is not improving by being on the field during any of our games this year. Let's try taking him out and see how that works.'

I don't think we have a winning record this year by continuing to force Arch as QB1.

2 hours ago, AeroHorn said:

Vince's strength was obvious (running around and over anyone) and zone read immediately simplified and leveraged his advantages. Coaches need to find something similar that Arch is good at and simplify the offense to be just that (look for one thing and do A or B based on that one decision). Other options can be added once the basic play is mastered.

What else can be created for a guy who sidearms throws into the ground and can't hit receivers? Ten incompletions in the second quarter against UTEP. That's not someone you change your offense for. Arch's failure is likely beginning to affect play at every offensive position. Failure breeds hopelessness.

I hurt writing that about Manning. Best case scenario has him stepping back from the starting role and earning his way back. 

 

2 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Vince never did that though. That's kinda the point. Arch is playing unprecedentedly bad football for Texas. 

Vince could do shit. Arch is not his equal in any area right now.

 

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:
  • Terrible Oline play
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Priceless...

I think PTSD Arch is now harming the performance of the entire offense. How many times can you run a route correctly or pass block well or pick up a blitz if every such effort proves fruitless. Ten incomplete passes in a row.

 

 

1 hour ago, orthohorn said:

If there are guys open on (most) every play, passing scheme by Sark is not the problem. But when you get your pick of elite QBs and none of them can hit guys the way you draw it up, that's also on Sark

Issue is with execution, assignments, discipline

I think CEO Sark (ie program building, talent acquisition, culture, messaging) is so much more developed than Sark the Coach. We are consistently ridiculously penalized and assignment un-sound despite retaining the entire coaching staff year after year

The team takes after the head coach and all this soft ass messaging bleeds over into how you hold your team accountable and coddle the QB position. Hearing "we'll get em next time" >>> "do your job" because I just don't think he's good at coaching guys HOW to do their job

What I've seen the last few season are well designed plays where QBs fail to connect. Ewers, likely due to injury, couldn't hit the open deep ball. I thought Arch would add that dimension, but he is dangerously inaccurate.

As for choosing QBs: Everybody liked what they saw of Manning at his little high school. I don't think anyone would have anticipated this breakdown nor been able to prevent it. Ewers was often injured. I'll say we're having bad luck at QB.

Manning must sit. Performance is everything for choosing starters. It's pretty simple.

ETA: Watching the good match-ups today, I saw Texas losing to all of these teams, even the Aggies, if we continue with Manning. Our goal is to win not sooth a hothouse flower.

 

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1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

You're wrong, but whatever. 

Sure Jan. I really question if you watched the GG season. 2 TDs at most. Ever. Against anyone. 17 INTs. You can keep doing this “well arch could have” but he didn’t. GG did. It’s just stupid and you can’t let it go.

Its just as stupid as comparisons to VY so I’m not sure why you’re giving them shit.

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4 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Yup. And he holds on to the ball wayyyyyyyy too fucking long. Needs to speed up his clock 

Unfortunately, he still has the high school habit of seeng them open vs throwing them open. Many QBs have this, so I'm not crushed by it. I'm crushed by him throwing the ball at their ankles when he does see it. 

He'll throw them open next year. Right now, he's throwing if theyre open... Poorly. 

Including late across the body, which I can coach out of 11 year old kids, so I have no idea what is in his head. I know he knows better than that. 

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2 minutes ago, GTJ1982 said:

Seems the longer a QB is here the tigjter they play.  Sark looking nervous on the sideline doesn't help anyone's confidence.  

I'd be looking nervous. Then I'd be looking for the back-up.

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3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Arch is now harming the performance of the entire offense. 

I said something similar in another thread just moments ago and agree. 

Play this bad makes everything else just intangible worse. 

The wrs could be compensating in weird ways . 

The OLine has to work harder to try and help the RBs everyone is keyed on . Those same RBs are less productive because who needs to focus on the WRs when arch throws at peoples feet.

Arch needs to sit for awhile for the good of the team.  Maybe he gets over whatever is in his head, maybe he gets pussed and transfers. 

But if we don't try something else he's going to lose the team. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

I don’t think it’s press the eject button time or bench time unless Arch regresses from today for the next game.

What would that even look like? Today was sub 50% completion and sub 5 ypa. You regress from today and you're talking about losing to SHSU.

You have to consider giving Caldwell a look. I don't holdany illusions about having a plus QB sitting on the bench but this team doesn't necessarialy need that. This team can compete if the QB can hit the easy stuff. Arch can't. He looks like you dropped a HS QB out there.

After Arch once again cannot execute the opening script against SJSU, Caldwell has to get some game run. And if he plays competently he should get the nod going into SEC play. Arch can play again after Georgia ends any ideas of SEC title contention.

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1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

We didn't have one, which was the point.

Don't be that guy. Own your bulljunk from last season. 3 had his shortcomings but you best believe we would be 3-0 right now. 

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Just now, Thatguy said:

Don't be that guy. Own your bulljunk from last season. 3 had his shortcomings but you best believe we would be 3-0 right now. 

they all fucking suck

 

sark sucks

quinn sucks

arch sucks

milwee sucks

flood sucks

coleman sucks 

jackson sucks

stroh sucks

baker sucks

conner sucks

major sucks

 

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The simple solution is this, if Arch has the Yips he is done, Markelle Fultz took 2-3 years to re-learn the mechanical process of shooting and obviously UT does not have that much time he would run out of eligibility even if this was a charity. if it is just horrific fundamentals a crash course could work to rebuild his confidence with stationary recievers, he needs to set his feet. If it is choking he needs a shrink but the game might slow down eventually, more running plays would help with his confidence.

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Which leads me to…what’s going on with Sark? With the play calling? With the sloppiness on his side of the ball over which he has control? I get helping arch along and the missed throws but the play calls are vanilla and defenses are ready for them. A concern? Or am I just not seeing it right?

 

you are a class act, That Guy. People on this forum were buttass wrong and assholes to you all last year and you still all class man! 🫡 

Thanks homie. I appreciate the love.

 

I think the issue is coach IS trying to simplify a little but Arch is still struggling doing the basics. He is having trouble swing the field and therefore having trouble hitting moving targets. He is seeing everything late and rushing every throw trying to get it there. 

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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Thanks homie. I appreciate the love.

 

I think the issue is coach IS trying to simplify a little but Arch is still struggling doing the basics. He is having trouble swing the field and therefore having trouble hitting moving targets. He is seeing everything late and rushing every throw trying to get it there. 

So the speed of the game is a factor for him? It’s just hard because in so many ways when he came in relief of a hurt Ewers last year, Arch looked a lot better in those games? Is that because the games were more scripted out for him last year? It’s just odd because what he flashed last year I saw a little bit last week and that was almost entirely missing today against a fired up UTEP coach who seems to give his team a ton of energy. 

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7 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Ewers had a stinker against Wyoming in 2023 that was similar to this performance.

Not even close holy shit. This was one of the worst games a Texas QB has had since Swoopes vs Arkansas 

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Just now, Nicole44 said:

So the speed of the game is a factor for him? It’s just hard because in so many ways when he came in relief of a hurt Ewers like this he looked a lot better. Is that because the game was more scripted out for him last year? It’s just odd because what he flashed last year I saw a little bit last week and that was almost entirely missing today against a fired up UTEP coach who seems to give his team a ton of energy. 

His game against Georgia was exactly the same thing we are seeing today, hell it was more precise throws even. All signs lead to choking. Thry are clearly seeing a different player in practice. Not one that looks like me if I took the field.

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Just now, Hank_Hill said:

Maybe that undisclosed concussion last year was worse than we thought. He looks legitimately brain dead.

I really think he’s in his own head. Not unlike someone with Asperger’s or something. Very bright but stuck on the mistakes and wants to be perfect but the speed of the game is still way too fast for him. I don’t see him mentally crumbling. I think it will all come together, like the karate kid. This guy has worked on this shit his whole life in the best of ways, he takes it seriously. I think he’s gotta roll past the mistakes and find his stride and he will, I can’t understand the bad throws unless he just feels so rushed. And because he feels rushed his mechanics are way off and his throws are as well. Otherwise he’s hurt and they won’t say. But this is someone who is 1000x harder on himself than a crowd of 100,000 could ever be. We gotta fix the fucking penalties though, we have z ro margin for error after next week. 

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6 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Maybe that undisclosed concussion last year was worse than we thought. He looks legitimately brain dead.

Like "Brain-Fog"-Mackovic after Tony Brackens knocked him into next week?

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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

I really think he’s in his own head. Not unlike someone with Asperger’s or something. Very bright but stuck on the mistakes and wants to be perfect but the speed of the game is still way too fast for him. I don’t see him mentally crumbling. I think it will all come together, like the karate kid. This guy has worked on this shit his whole life in the best of ways, he takes it seriously. I think he’s gotta roll past the mistakes and find his stride and he will, I can’t understand the bad throws unless he just feels so rushed. And because he feels rushed his mechanics are way off and his throws are as well. Otherwise he’s hurt and they won’t say. But this is someone who is 1000x harder on himself than a crowd of 100,000 could ever be. We gotta fix the fucking penalties though, we have z ro margin for error after next week. 

Arguably this is the first time he has seen adversity in his life though, he needs to play angry, anger triggers the fight rather than flight lizard part of the brain. Its the only way he can salvage his season. 

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17 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Ewers had a stinker against Wyoming in 2023 that was similar to this performance.

You’re not wrong but he at least had the excuse of being shitfaced drunk and drowning in pussy the whole six days leading up to it because they had beaten Alabama in Tuscaloosa the week before. 

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I rewatched all of Arch’s snaps vs Miss St from last season tonight. His mechanics were not bad a year ago. He could throw a tight spiral and could play with confidence. He’s either injured or shell shocked. He had really good chemistry with Bond. 

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4 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

SIAP... critique of ohio state game

The Legacy and Pressure of Being a Manning 

 

I was thinking about something similar earlier. And I don't really give a fuck about the pages of inane discussion previous to this post or the pages that will assuredly follow it. Just wanted to write a little tonight. Open for feedback. Cleaned this up a bunch like I would be writing for a publication. 

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When you play for any sports team with a high level of visibility there are two forms of pressure. There is internal pressure and there is external pressure.

Internal pressure is what you face from inside. Your coaches, your teammates, your equipment managers, maybe most notably your fans. It is all of the people around you or in your immediate vicinity that you interact with on a regular basis who are wanting you - and oftentimes expecting you - to succeed. 

Then there is external pressure. External pressure is the national media, the haters, the rivals, the naysayers on social media - the other fans that expect you to be good and when you are not good jump at every opportunity they can to immediately shoot you down. 

Internal pressure is the Philadelphia Eagles. If you play for that team and you do not perform you are going to find out very quickly. It might be from people within your own organization or it might be from fans on the field. You may go for a bacon, egg and cheese out in the city and someone spits on you because you dropped an interception the week prior. 

External pressure is the Dallas Cowboys. Everyone - except your fans - despise you and want you to lose. Every time you take the field you are on national TV and under intense media scrutiny and the subject of tens of millions of people doing nothing but hoping that you lose whichever game you are currently playing. 

Every player faces some combination of these two factors and has to deal with it during the course of their careers. Whether it is in high school, in college or as a professional. Some more so than others.

"More so" would do well to qualify the nascent career of Arch Manning who is currently being broadsided by both forms of pressure in a way that potentially no college football quarterback before him ever has.

The college football zeitgeist features Arch on its front page every week. They tend to deflate him any chance they can get. His own fanbase does their best to temper expectations but generally winds up admonishing him as well. 

The internal pressure is oppressive - Arch is attempting to lead a team that has made the national semifinal two-straight seasons beyond that. He is hoping to deliver a national title to a fanbase and program that since 1970 has struggled to even remain in contention most seasons.

The external pressure might be worse. Arch's grandfather is in the college football hall of fame. One of his uncles is widely regarded as one of the best quarterbacks to ever take a snap behind center. Another uncle threw for 57,000 yards in the NFL and has two Super Bowl MVP trophies to his name. 

The team Arch is lining up for - of course - is the Texas Longhorns. Since their third national title in 1970 the Longhorns have come more than close on a number of occasions but only lifted the national title once. That title - which was won 20 years ago now - came in large part on the back of one of the most prolific college quarterbacks of all time in Vince Young. 

Arch - of course - knew all of this coming in. He knew the weight that his last name carried. He knew the weight that TEXAS scrawled across the front of his jersey every Saturday would carry. Yet he signed up for it anyway. 

Arch has delivered mixed results so far. A couple of breakout performances as a stand-in starter in 2024 excited fans and the nation alike. A middling performance to start Texas' 2025 season on the road against defending national-champions Ohio State tempered expectations quickly. His two follow-up performances against Texas cannon fodder SJSU and UTEP did little to dissuade concerns.

So - is the pressure too much for Arch Manning? 

Only one person can determine that - and that's Arch. 

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The weight of the Manning name is crushing his confidence? I dont get it, he was perfectly fine a year ago. He's seriously mentally screwed right now. The line gave him a lot of time the majority of the snaps, they weren't bad. Sark does them no favors asking them to block outside zone against small quick defensive fronts, and stupidly keeps going to jumbo compact sets inside the 10 and trying to smash it in. Neither of those things are working at all against anyone. 

Outside of that the line wasnt bad. Receivers were open. He just couldn't hit Charlie Kirk if the barrel was an inch from his neck

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

So the speed of the game is a factor for him? It’s just hard because in so many ways when he came in relief of a hurt Ewers last year, Arch looked a lot better in those games? Is that because the games were more scripted out for him last year? It’s just odd because what he flashed last year I saw a little bit last week and that was almost entirely missing today against a fired up UTEP coach who seems to give his team a ton of energy. 

Yeah, he was good in exactly one game last year and he was mostly taking the top off the defense. He has a lot of weight on his shoulders and it is clearly getting to him. Sark needs to recognize that and get the kid some help. Then simplify his throws. Come out early and let him hit a couple stationary targets and some wr screens first to get his confidence going. Sark wasn't helping him putting him in 3rd and long over and over. What's wrong with him isn't physical. If he was in Lane's offense he would bounce back quickly. Lane loves him some basic throws. 

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Not disagreeing but think we have to throw the WR screen out until we can block it. It is either a loss of yardage or it’s in the dirt because he can’t hit those either 

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6 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Not disagreeing but think we have to throw the WR screen out until we can block it. It is either a loss of yardage or it’s in the dirt because he can’t hit those either 

Quoted for absolute truth. No one has that dog in them. These receivers seem to be taking their Qs from Wingo. 

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