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33 minutes ago, Keyah said:

This is an interesting divergence to how you view other conflicts. Suddenly the US is feckless.

In Ukraine, all it would take Is more US proxy support for Ukraine to easily beat Russia, a country with nukes. 

In Iran, we use our superior forces to directly strike Iran, an inferior power that has been massively wounded, and you’re like wow I guess we’ll see what happens. 

My 12-year-old understands this better than you:  In Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor.  In Iran, Israel and now the US are the aggressors. So that's one difference.

But here's the bigger difference: Iran can shut down 20% of the world's daily oil consumption.  They produce a shitload of drones that would be going up against tankers that you can see for many miles coming, that are slow and can't maneuver worth shit and have no air defense (or sea defenses for that matter, Iran has sea drones as well).

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13 minutes ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

A war with Iran is just the excuse he needs to clamp down on any domestic dissent.  Any anti war protests will be crushed by the military.

It's like nobody watched the clone wars dammit! 😜

I honestly wonder how true this is. If foreign policy decisions are being solely made by Trump and Stephen Miller, it makes me think we're just all dead.

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6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's like nobody watched the clone wars dammit! 😜

I honestly wonder how true this is. If foreign policy decisions are being solely made by Trump and Stephen Miller, it makes me think we're just all dead.

Dude, we are Rome. I saw that when I came back for a trip in 2005. it is just a new Nero. 

I doubt SecDef was awake. I mean it is a Saturday. 

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9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's like nobody watched the clone wars dammit! 😜

I honestly wonder how true this is. If foreign policy decisions are being solely made by Trump and Stephen Miller, it makes me think we're just all dead.

 

Or imagine that the president had no idea what was going on due to his dementia.

You knew this was coming if you followed the Pentagon Pizza Tracker LOL. 

 

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46 minutes ago, Hate said:

Does this  appear to be a once in a lifetime opportunity where the world is aligned and there is a way out for everyone but the Mullahs and the Ayatollah. All of Iran's proxies have been neutered or risk the chance of complete destruction if they respond.  Russia can't do shit and even China is kind of limited as they won't go to war for Iran.  I could be completely wrong and I am sure I am being way over simplistic, but I don't really see a way out for Iran's leadership at the moment. Please someone tell me where I am wrong. 

I have no idea how this turns out but you have to see this as the line of reasoning. I despise Trump and our endless wars, but I also don’t think Iran with nukes is in anyone’s interest. Everyone agreed they shouldn’t have them, but no one did anything about it. The German PM made a comment to that effect. 

Shit happened, Israel obliterated Irans proxies and its air defense, and a golden opportunity arose to knock out their nuclear program with a good possibility of limited to no consequences. I’d be tempted too. 

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"It is now our turn to act without delay. As a first step, we must launch a missile strike on the US naval fleet in Bahrain and simultaneously close the Strait of Hormuz to American, British, German, and French ships," Hossein Shariatmadari, was quoted as saying in Kayhan newspaper - a conservative and hard-line Iranian daily.   

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/khameneis-circle-issues-stark-warning-after-us-strikes-iran-donald-trump-target-us-naval-fleet-101750560301195.html

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12 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

"It is now our turn to act without delay. As a first step, we must launch a missile strike on the US naval fleet in Bahrain and simultaneously close the Strait of Hormuz to American, British, German, and French ships," Hossein Shariatmadari, was quoted as saying in Kayhan newspaper - a conservative and hard-line Iranian daily.   

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/khameneis-circle-issues-stark-warning-after-us-strikes-iran-donald-trump-target-us-naval-fleet-101750560301195.html

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25 minutes ago, Keef said:

I have no idea how this turns out but you have to see this as the line of reasoning. I despise Trump and our endless wars, but I also don’t think Iran with nukes is in anyone’s interest. Everyone agreed they shouldn’t have them, but no one did anything about it. The German PM made a comment to that effect. 

Shit happened, Israel obliterated Irans proxies and its air defense, and a golden opportunity arose to knock out their nuclear program with a good possibility of limited to no consequences. I’d be tempted too. 

This 100%.  I hate Trump but most presidents put in this situation if Israel starts shit and has a great plan that takes out everything else would follow thru with the choice to finish their nuclear program.   Now the debate is what got us to this point and if it would happen with another president in this timeline.  lol.  

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6 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

If the regime leaves Tehran it does not mean they are not the "regime" and that is my concern. They are cool with end of days. They are fighting a holy war. 

What do you think our leadership is doing? They've pretty overtly been wanting to do a crusade - our secdef has a big fucking crusade cross tattoo.

 

Nevermind that our president has now twice ordered military strikes against Iran without Congressional approval. We the people do not have any say in how things go anymore. Bomb generals, bomb scientists, bomb facilities - all without approval because it's a """special military operation"""

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7 hours ago, Hate said:

Iran seems to be pretty goddamn isolated right now.  I couldn't find any reaction from China which seems weird.  I don't think even Putin has said anything yet.  Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but it seems like they would have at least condemned the bombing by now.   

China wants to keep the oil coming through the Straits of Hormuz, they are too dependent on it right now. As for Russia, they didn’t lift a finger to preserve Assad’s regime  when it was crumbling last year, they just gave him a place to live. Putin said the below in the last day or two. Countries in the region will take note of how reliable these “sponsor” nations were during crunch time for their client. 

5 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's like nobody watched the clone wars dammit! 😜

I honestly wonder how true this is. If foreign policy decisions are being solely made by Trump and Stephen Miller, it makes me think we're just all dead.

I’ve heard the five voices he listened to on this were Wiles, Vance, Rubio, Ratcliffe, and Witkoff.  Gabbard’s appointment was a political reward for the campaign, it’s clear he doesn’t listen to her and it’s debatable that the DNI isn’t necessary in any administration since the individual agency heads it “supervises” have full control over their fiefdoms.  Hegseth is basically a recruiting tool/frontman for DOD. It is what it is, and that’s not optimal. Elbridge Colby is the real policy planner at the Pentagon (even though he was probably against this as well).

 

 

 

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The Trump messaging to Iran of “we’re done, but also if you hit our people we’re coming back twice as hard” is the playbook they used after eliminating Soleimani in Trump’s first term. Escalate to de-escalate. Iran raised the Red Flag of Revenge, made public statements of fire and fury, then told us through back channels they would make a symbolic response to save face, and when they did, it was the end of it. We’ll see how it plays out this time. 

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